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On October 11 2014 05:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok Hopeless I read your case and there are some points that I agree with.
I don't like that Damdred never made an effort to try to get Lian lynched today. When I write out a case on somebody I'm doing it because I want to try to convince people to lynch him today rather than just to show that I am suspicious of somebody. It's not like HF wrote out an amazing case and the lynch was decided for the day. I could see Damdred as scum choose to not push Lian today because he doesn't want to get on HF's bad side.
The points I dislike:
The bussing posts. It's mostly just speculation. I could reasonably see a townie being suspicious of somebody for voting themselves after being RNGed and for his reaction. (I wasn't suspicious of OO for those posts but I could see someone else suspecting him)
the post where he tries to get OO to contribute doesn't have to be made in thread; He could just tell him to do something in the scum QT if he is mafia. There's no real reason why Damdred's vote on OO is him bussing OO compared to anyone else's vote on OO. In fact your vote is the one i think is most likely to be a bus vote because you actually liked OO's tone at the start of the game and you were fighting policy lynches earlier in the day.
The BH points are quite bad in my opinion. it's pretty clear Damdred wasn't trying to make a suspicion of BH in that post and I don't mind the insufferable post either.
Overall I'm not convinced that Damdred is a better lynch than you. I think a better case could be made for you being scum.
Where did I actually try to STOP OO's lynch? I busted HF's balls a bit because he explicitly said not to let him pursue policy lynches. And I did like OO's tone at the start...then he did nothing at all.
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On October 11 2014 05:58 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok Hopeless I read your case and there are some points that I agree with.
I don't like that Damdred never made an effort to try to get Lian lynched today. When I write out a case on somebody I'm doing it because I want to try to convince people to lynch him today rather than just to show that I am suspicious of somebody. It's not like HF wrote out an amazing case and the lynch was decided for the day. I could see Damdred as scum choose to not push Lian today because he doesn't want to get on HF's bad side.
The points I dislike:
The bussing posts. It's mostly just speculation. I could reasonably see a townie being suspicious of somebody for voting themselves after being RNGed and for his reaction. (I wasn't suspicious of OO for those posts but I could see someone else suspecting him)
the post where he tries to get OO to contribute doesn't have to be made in thread; He could just tell him to do something in the scum QT if he is mafia. There's no real reason why Damdred's vote on OO is him bussing OO compared to anyone else's vote on OO. In fact your vote is the one i think is most likely to be a bus vote because you actually liked OO's tone at the start of the game and you were fighting policy lynches earlier in the day.
The BH points are quite bad in my opinion. it's pretty clear Damdred wasn't trying to make a suspicion of BH in that post and I don't mind the insufferable post either.
Overall I'm not convinced that Damdred is a better lynch than you. I think a better case could be made for you being scum. Where did I actually try to STOP OO's lynch? I busted HF's balls a bit because he explicitly said not to let him pursue policy lynches. And I did like OO's tone at the start...then he did nothing at all.
you didn't try to stop the lynch. You were bitching for a bit that we were just doing a policy lynch and then you jumped on the wagon later in the day.
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On October 11 2014 06:01 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:58 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 05:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok Hopeless I read your case and there are some points that I agree with.
I don't like that Damdred never made an effort to try to get Lian lynched today. When I write out a case on somebody I'm doing it because I want to try to convince people to lynch him today rather than just to show that I am suspicious of somebody. It's not like HF wrote out an amazing case and the lynch was decided for the day. I could see Damdred as scum choose to not push Lian today because he doesn't want to get on HF's bad side.
The points I dislike:
The bussing posts. It's mostly just speculation. I could reasonably see a townie being suspicious of somebody for voting themselves after being RNGed and for his reaction. (I wasn't suspicious of OO for those posts but I could see someone else suspecting him)
the post where he tries to get OO to contribute doesn't have to be made in thread; He could just tell him to do something in the scum QT if he is mafia. There's no real reason why Damdred's vote on OO is him bussing OO compared to anyone else's vote on OO. In fact your vote is the one i think is most likely to be a bus vote because you actually liked OO's tone at the start of the game and you were fighting policy lynches earlier in the day.
The BH points are quite bad in my opinion. it's pretty clear Damdred wasn't trying to make a suspicion of BH in that post and I don't mind the insufferable post either.
Overall I'm not convinced that Damdred is a better lynch than you. I think a better case could be made for you being scum. Where did I actually try to STOP OO's lynch? I busted HF's balls a bit because he explicitly said not to let him pursue policy lynches. And I did like OO's tone at the start...then he did nothing at all. you didn't try to stop the lynch. You were bitching for a bit that we were just doing a policy lynch and then you jumped on the wagon later in the day.
yeah 10 whole minutes later...
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Which is why I think your vote is a bus vote.
-Likes OO's tone
-Dislikes that we're policy lynching a lurker
. . .
Votes OO because he's lurking
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On October 11 2014 06:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Which is why I think your vote is a bus vote.
-Likes OO's tone
-Dislikes that we're policy lynching a lurker
. . .
Votes OO because he's lurking
what part of busting HF's balls did you not understand?
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
On October 11 2014 05:47 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. Semi-brushing aside the RNG to "actually" look at OO. At the time that he self-voted I wouldn't have called it "disturbing". How the hell are you supposed to defend against RNG? You're not, you're supposed to go and scumhunt. This is a load of bullshit, but damdred still twists it into an early suspicion. These are normal observations. Of course self-voting is weird. There's nothing wrong with looking at OO for non RNG stuff. And given that OO actually flipped town, I don't see how Damdred being all suspicious of the guy who flipped scum is an issue. The issue is that he took so long to vote OO, not that he was suspiciopus of OO. get your shit together H1 On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Obiwan correctly points out that OO's reaction is worthless (open spoiler if you are so inclined): On October 07 2014 12:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:
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Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. So what's so important about his reaction? You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes. OWS is literally wrong here. OO _did_ get lynched. PEople could say "OO wasn't gonna get lynched or whatever" but basically it came down to this: OO got voted, and then he reacted with stuff. Hell, even if you agree with OWS (who, by the way, is scum) then you STILL have to show that damdred agrees with OWS, or that disagreeing is so unreasonable you must be scum. The fact that you personally believe that OO's reaction is null (and it obviously wasn't null, OO was scum and got caught, and part of why he got caught was his scummy reaction) doesn't matter. Self voting because RNG landed on you isnt a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because the RNG landed on OO would be a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because you USED RNG is slightly better but not really. In any case, the reasons for calling OO scum should have nothing to do with his response to being RNGed. Damdred pulls up super early to cast suspicion without committing to it for dubious reasoning. Being suspicious of anyone is fine if its for the right reasons. Damdred doesnt have the right reasons to call someone scum here. OWS may have ultimately been wrong, but at the time that was a reasonable thought process because RNG is not sufficient to lynch someone. OO was scummy outside of the RNG, his reaction to the RNG is in fact null.
bah this is BS and you know it. Self voting is 100% a weird response to getting RNGed. On the other hand, if you're unfamiliar with RNG why wouldn't it be weird to be suspicious of the idea, or of the person suggesting it?
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On October 11 2014 06:04 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. Semi-brushing aside the RNG to "actually" look at OO. At the time that he self-voted I wouldn't have called it "disturbing". How the hell are you supposed to defend against RNG? You're not, you're supposed to go and scumhunt. This is a load of bullshit, but damdred still twists it into an early suspicion. These are normal observations. Of course self-voting is weird. There's nothing wrong with looking at OO for non RNG stuff. And given that OO actually flipped town, I don't see how Damdred being all suspicious of the guy who flipped scum is an issue. The issue is that he took so long to vote OO, not that he was suspiciopus of OO. get your shit together H1 On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Obiwan correctly points out that OO's reaction is worthless (open spoiler if you are so inclined): On October 07 2014 12:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. So what's so important about his reaction? You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes. OWS is literally wrong here. OO _did_ get lynched. PEople could say "OO wasn't gonna get lynched or whatever" but basically it came down to this: OO got voted, and then he reacted with stuff. Hell, even if you agree with OWS (who, by the way, is scum) then you STILL have to show that damdred agrees with OWS, or that disagreeing is so unreasonable you must be scum. The fact that you personally believe that OO's reaction is null (and it obviously wasn't null, OO was scum and got caught, and part of why he got caught was his scummy reaction) doesn't matter. Self voting because RNG landed on you isnt a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because the RNG landed on OO would be a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because you USED RNG is slightly better but not really. In any case, the reasons for calling OO scum should have nothing to do with his response to being RNGed. Damdred pulls up super early to cast suspicion without committing to it for dubious reasoning. Being suspicious of anyone is fine if its for the right reasons. Damdred doesnt have the right reasons to call someone scum here. OWS may have ultimately been wrong, but at the time that was a reasonable thought process because RNG is not sufficient to lynch someone. OO was scummy outside of the RNG, his reaction to the RNG is in fact null. bah this is BS and you know it. Self voting is 100% a weird response to getting RNGed. On the other hand, if you're unfamiliar with RNG why wouldn't it be weird to be suspicious of the idea, or of the person suggesting it?
I would totally try to self vote if I was RNGed. If unfamiliar, yeah pushing back might be reasonable. Except OO was familiar, and laughed it off as a joke and tried to self vote. If the argument is that OO did NOT know what your RNG process was, then your point is much more valid, but his first post was On October 07 2014 02:09 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh shit we're doing an RNG vote? Fuck yes, where's the vote thread?
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Grack what else do you have about me being scum that I can debunk sooner rather than later?
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On October 11 2014 06:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
Grack what else do you have about me being scum that I can debunk sooner rather than later?
Explain all of your never lynch list
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On October 11 2014 06:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
Grack what else do you have about me being scum that I can debunk sooner rather than later? Explain all of your never lynch list
You're not Grack.
Magic.
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
On October 11 2014 06:08 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:04 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 05:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. Semi-brushing aside the RNG to "actually" look at OO. At the time that he self-voted I wouldn't have called it "disturbing". How the hell are you supposed to defend against RNG? You're not, you're supposed to go and scumhunt. This is a load of bullshit, but damdred still twists it into an early suspicion. These are normal observations. Of course self-voting is weird. There's nothing wrong with looking at OO for non RNG stuff. And given that OO actually flipped town, I don't see how Damdred being all suspicious of the guy who flipped scum is an issue. The issue is that he took so long to vote OO, not that he was suspiciopus of OO. get your shit together H1 On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Obiwan correctly points out that OO's reaction is worthless (open spoiler if you are so inclined): On October 07 2014 12:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:
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Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. So what's so important about his reaction? You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes. OWS is literally wrong here. OO _did_ get lynched. PEople could say "OO wasn't gonna get lynched or whatever" but basically it came down to this: OO got voted, and then he reacted with stuff. Hell, even if you agree with OWS (who, by the way, is scum) then you STILL have to show that damdred agrees with OWS, or that disagreeing is so unreasonable you must be scum. The fact that you personally believe that OO's reaction is null (and it obviously wasn't null, OO was scum and got caught, and part of why he got caught was his scummy reaction) doesn't matter. Self voting because RNG landed on you isnt a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because the RNG landed on OO would be a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because you USED RNG is slightly better but not really. In any case, the reasons for calling OO scum should have nothing to do with his response to being RNGed. Damdred pulls up super early to cast suspicion without committing to it for dubious reasoning. Being suspicious of anyone is fine if its for the right reasons. Damdred doesnt have the right reasons to call someone scum here. OWS may have ultimately been wrong, but at the time that was a reasonable thought process because RNG is not sufficient to lynch someone. OO was scummy outside of the RNG, his reaction to the RNG is in fact null. bah this is BS and you know it. Self voting is 100% a weird response to getting RNGed. On the other hand, if you're unfamiliar with RNG why wouldn't it be weird to be suspicious of the idea, or of the person suggesting it? I would totally try to self vote if I was RNGed. If unfamiliar, yeah pushing back might be reasonable. Except OO was familiar, and laughed it off as a joke and tried to self vote. If the argument is that OO did NOT know what your RNG process was, then your point is much more valid, but his first post was Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:09 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh shit we're doing an RNG vote? Fuck yes, where's the vote thread?
Right, then he voted himself, which is really weird imo
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On October 11 2014 05:32 KelsierSC wrote:
Battery dying
On October 11 2014 05:32 Blazinghand wrote:
oh get a charger nub they're like a dollar
I lol'ed
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United Kingdom30775 Posts
No but I'm the main person pushing your lynch and in your never lynch list.
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On October 11 2014 06:12 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:08 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:04 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 05:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. Semi-brushing aside the RNG to "actually" look at OO. At the time that he self-voted I wouldn't have called it "disturbing". How the hell are you supposed to defend against RNG? You're not, you're supposed to go and scumhunt. This is a load of bullshit, but damdred still twists it into an early suspicion. These are normal observations. Of course self-voting is weird. There's nothing wrong with looking at OO for non RNG stuff. And given that OO actually flipped town, I don't see how Damdred being all suspicious of the guy who flipped scum is an issue. The issue is that he took so long to vote OO, not that he was suspiciopus of OO. get your shit together H1 On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Obiwan correctly points out that OO's reaction is worthless (open spoiler if you are so inclined): On October 07 2014 12:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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So what's so important about his reaction?
You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes. OWS is literally wrong here. OO _did_ get lynched. PEople could say "OO wasn't gonna get lynched or whatever" but basically it came down to this: OO got voted, and then he reacted with stuff. Hell, even if you agree with OWS (who, by the way, is scum) then you STILL have to show that damdred agrees with OWS, or that disagreeing is so unreasonable you must be scum. The fact that you personally believe that OO's reaction is null (and it obviously wasn't null, OO was scum and got caught, and part of why he got caught was his scummy reaction) doesn't matter. Self voting because RNG landed on you isnt a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because the RNG landed on OO would be a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because you USED RNG is slightly better but not really. In any case, the reasons for calling OO scum should have nothing to do with his response to being RNGed. Damdred pulls up super early to cast suspicion without committing to it for dubious reasoning. Being suspicious of anyone is fine if its for the right reasons. Damdred doesnt have the right reasons to call someone scum here. OWS may have ultimately been wrong, but at the time that was a reasonable thought process because RNG is not sufficient to lynch someone. OO was scummy outside of the RNG, his reaction to the RNG is in fact null. bah this is BS and you know it. Self voting is 100% a weird response to getting RNGed. On the other hand, if you're unfamiliar with RNG why wouldn't it be weird to be suspicious of the idea, or of the person suggesting it? I would totally try to self vote if I was RNGed. If unfamiliar, yeah pushing back might be reasonable. Except OO was familiar, and laughed it off as a joke and tried to self vote. If the argument is that OO did NOT know what your RNG process was, then your point is much more valid, but his first post was On October 07 2014 02:09 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh shit we're doing an RNG vote? Fuck yes, where's the vote thread? Right, then he voted himself, which is really weird imo
Agree to disagree. If that's really your opinion then damdred is going to be less scummy to you, not much I can do about it.
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I've mostly been sheeping HF that was my main reason for scum reading you.
I think there's actually a point in your favor that you aren't scum reading Obi seeing as he looks like the only person being truly considered as a counter wagon at the moment.
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Vote Count:
Holyflare (0): Blazinghand, Blazinghand
ObiWanShinobi (2): Blazinghand, Blazinghand, Alakaslam, hopeless1der
hopeless1der (5): Holyflare, Blazinghand, ObiWanShinobi, Grackaroni, Palmar, Damdred, liancourt
liancourt (1): Storrzerg
Damdred (2): batsnacks, batsnacks, hopeless1der
StoreZerg (0): batsnacks
StorrZerg (0): liancourt
Alakaslam (0): batsnacks
Not Voting (2): KelsierSC, liancourt
Currently hopeless1der is set to be lynched.
Day 1 ends at Saturday, Oct 11 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in )
Voting is Mandatory
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
On October 11 2014 06:16 Grackaroni wrote:
I've mostly been sheeping HF that was my main reason for scum reading you.
I think there's actually a point in your favor that you aren't scum reading Obi seeing as he looks like the only person being truly considered as a counter wagon at the moment.
H1 could also have said "lawl rng tells me to lynch OWS" and stayed on him. Of course if they're scum together this could blah blah associative unflipped tells etc
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On October 11 2014 05:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 00:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 23:52 StorrZerg wrote:On October 09 2014 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 23:31 StorrZerg wrote:On October 09 2014 23:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote:
what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop.
Unimportant. fantastic coming from the person who got bored and wanted to talk about something yesterday. If you want to change the subject thats fine [] talk about liancourt [] talk about hopeless [] other [insert topic] I'm pretty focused on this hopeless lynch. And I don't think I'm going to change my mind. then lets talk about hopeless..... i mean your around, your responding, help drive the conversation. liancourt, avoided talking about hopeless day 1. hopeless thought on Iian day 1, "Would #lynchwithfire" yet dives on On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game. yeah i'll probably end up here anyways ##Vote: ObviousOne at this point OO was an afk person that sure was "scummy" yet afk. i'd also say hopeless doesn't really add anything to the case on Iian, more so just agrees with my reasoning and "bad list post" yet has far more posts directed to Iian, questioning him, and calling him scum yet we come to this. On October 09 2014 11:11 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 09 2014 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Hope why did you end up voting OO? You originally liked his tone and you were complaining about it being a policy lynch for a while. because RNGesus told me to. No wait that was Blazinghand. same difference. In all seriousness, it seemed inevitable and I wasnt interested in pushing damdred or lian over OO, especially since OO came in long enough to give us something and never return. I was willing to switch around up until I asked where the hell did he go? Says he "wasn't interested" I think this is a contradiction to his actions, he was very interested in pushing liam, and his reason to vote OO was just "ill end up here" Alternatively we can lynch him for playing like mafia. As in the majority of his filter is filler and he's basically avoided giving his opinion on almost anything at all, IE he's avoiding stepping on any toes. I get that you're trying to analyze his actions, but if he doesn't take any actions at all there's not going to be a whole lot to analyze. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 10 2014 00:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
that's not contradictory thats called being lazy. Would you have felt better if I afk'd my vote on Lian?
right now yes, still reading lian scum. haven't reread anything yet, at work. I'll try to give updated thoughts this evening.
My never-lynch list is HF BH grack palmar bats. aside from that I dont have much right now. Cool, a bunch of unexplained obvious townreads and a scumread that he never bothered to follow up on or pressure at any point. Theres so much more than this too. If you said my reasons are good then by extension obi's are too. I don't thiiink I'd even written anything about hopeless at that point either. You're scum reading obi further for not explaining his town read on me when he did and it actually makes sense (town reading him when he was under pressure etc) instead of jumping further on me whereas when hopeless exhibits all of these traits with far scummier motives you ignore him because of obi who IS actually explaining
I don't think these are very good reasons for scum reading Hopeless. These posts are a much more apt description of Palmar's play really.
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Which all kind of ties back to Slam's post about how we really don't know how to scum hunt and we just attack people for "not being useful", which he's probably right about.
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On October 11 2014 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
No but I'm the main person pushing your lynch and in your never lynch list.
But I did explain why you're town. And it was "Magic" I gave a real answer that had reasons and wasnt retarded and everything. But noooo hopeless is full of unexplained bullshit and excuses.
Battraps legit
BH - Actually playing the game,
grack - un cc'd vig claim
palmar - least strong read but:
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On October 08 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 23:58 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 23:56 Palmar wrote:On October 07 2014 23:14 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 23:00 Palmar wrote:On October 07 2014 09:30 StorrZerg wrote:
ill make a case on someone tonight or tomorrow morning i swear its going to be good
#prepthebadwagons Not to mention, another scumread of his is probably town. The way this is worded makes it quite likely StorrZerg is town. The assertiveness that his yet-nonexistent case is something to be excited about is far more likely to be from a townie than from mafia. So there's that. I have only ever watched storrzerg on Mafia Allstars and I think in general he likes to kind of sit back and wait D1 as both alignments. Also Storrzerg seems confident and assertive as both mafia and town so not sure if I like this as a reason to call storr town. I think he is, just not sure I believe this read. ------- reasoning --------> you Well the reason you give for storr being town, isn't actually a good reason because he plays that way as mafia and town. why is that bad reasoning? Because you're thinking what and I'm thinking how. But it's ok, I don't particularly care whether you believe me or not unless Storr is in some danger of being lynched.
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On October 08 2014 07:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Palmar I want you to read that HF/me/Obi exchange and actually play the game. If Marv were here would you tell him he should be able to town read you by now? No you would not. To be perfectly fair, a) he would be able to. b) even if he wouldn't admit it, I'd still shove it down his throat. I sorta know how he reads me so well, and I know I'm basically being the stereotype of that this game.
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