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On October 11 2014 05:08 KelsierSC wrote:
Point is obi hasn't made a single good point on hope
he just prodded to see if he could get a wagon going and then just posted a lot of noise and drivel.

On October 11 2014 05:10 Holyflare wrote:


He actually has made good points i dunno wtf you are talking about.

On October 11 2014 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
Dude bh you're trying to push a counter wagon off of scum. You're doing the exact thing you're scum reading obi for. Are you now mafia?

On October 11 2014 05:12 KelsierSC wrote:

which was good?

he asked you to explain a read after you posted "reasons"

he didn't step in and stop you and obi fighting. Yeh lots of people , discussion is good yo

On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:
I think hopeless case does not make me mafia at all.

On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:
The oats thing there was a little bit of time in between my initial points about how it was unlike oats. Which it’s still unlike oats to freak out like that about a joke claim that early, and it’s still a bit weird. I started off with a knee jerk reaction and ended up somewhere differently after a few hours and rereading what happened. I still wasn’t sold as Oats being super solid town but I thought it was a bit silly at the time to scum read him just on that ----

On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:----, and when he came back to the thread he was pretty towny and then he got shot and was town.

On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote: I think I did not show much in the way of progression on this read, probably should of fleshed it out more but I don’t think it makes me mafia. And if you were to scum read me for something like this its pretty prevalent in the thread that a lot of people have done just what I did.

On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:
If you look at Noir 2 for instance (BH WILL REMEMBER THIS), Robik got RNG’d he did not self vote and fuck off. He complained and fought against the lynch. It is not unreasonable to think, ok this lynch is not going to work the person who it landed on will fight for themselves and actually do stuff. Instead, he fucks off so yea its suspicious that someone would do that. Obviously my suspicion was well founded since he flipped mafia.

On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:
I think I’ve made it clear in past games that I’m not the biggest fan of policy lynches, and if OO was able to actually be able to produce content and be useful I wouldn’t of voted for him. But he fucked off right after and I had no choice but to vote. There is not much to say about this.

On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:
And yea, I don’t think BH has caught mafia before as far as I know with RNG. And…yea pretty sure hes going to use it more now. Also I have been calling BH town all game not just at that point when I said in tin foil land, I didn’t know if their was a way to game the system to get the point that BH wanted. I was educated and am better for it.

On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote:
Looking at thread sentiment you can tell if someone has a legitimate shot at getting lynched today. People are suspicious of Liam I think, but just not sure if he should be the lynch at this point or that I could draw the support needed. I still think liam has a good shot at flipping scum, but the way that you’ve played the past two days hopeless left me in a position where either one was a decent lynch. And liam was town read by a few people who I’m town reading so I have a little pause today.

On October 11 2014 05:15 Holyflare wrote:


That's not the reason he scum read hopeless at all. That's incredibly false of you. Read his filter again.

On October 11 2014 05:16 KelsierSC wrote:


i read his arguments that is the basis i see, not false at allowed

On October 09 2014 13:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The shenanniest of shenannigans.

Seriously though, let me take the wheel. I got this shit.

##vote hopeless1der

On October 10 2014 01:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
No, but I can give you scumpoints for being a useless sack of scum.

Question: why is it that you intervened in the Holyflare/me fight, just to show no interest in ever fixing it or following up on it? You basically poured fuel on the flames earlier in the game and then left it alone completely. You've never shown any interest in figuring out what was going on in that fight.

On October 10 2014 01:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


You came to the conclusion that HF was town for no reason, despite him confusing the shit out of you early day 1, and you have yet to explain where either of those reads went or why. It has nothing to do with "fixing my shit" but it has everything to do with coming in, showing interest in moving the fight forward, and then doing absolutely nothing with it at all.

You pushed him to explain his read on me and then never bothered to do anything with anything. This is what normal mafia players would call "instigating."

On October 11 2014 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:


OK so what seems to be going on here is Damdred says "oats is weird" then he continues to think oats is weird, then he comes up with a random townread on him. yeah, I don't see a good thought progression here. it's possible damdred is scummy for this, but this isn't imo damning evidence. Could just be he changed his mind and didn't articulate himself well.





These are normal observations. Of course self-voting is weird. There's nothing wrong with looking at OO for non RNG stuff. And given that OO actually flipped town, I don't see how Damdred being all suspicious of the guy who flipped scum is an issue. The issue is that he took so long to vote OO, not that he was suspiciopus of OO. get your shit together H1





OWS is literally wrong here. OO _did_ get lynched. PEople could say "OO wasn't gonna get lynched or whatever" but basically it came down to this: OO got voted, and then he reacted with stuff. Hell, even if you agree with OWS (who, by the way, is scum) then you STILL have to show that damdred agrees with OWS, or that disagreeing is so unreasonable you must be scum. The fact that you personally believe that OO's reaction is null (and it obviously wasn't null, OO was scum and got caught, and part of why he got caught was his scummy reaction) doesn't matter.




He could have just posted this in the QT if they're scum together...



reasonable, the late vote looks like a bus.



tone problems, but nothing damdred said was false. a small point against damdred


Damdred's lack of RNG understanding is stupid, but this does not make him scum.

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blah blah yeah the case on lian is bad we get it

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lack of follow up is legit


look you could look into anyone's filter and find little inconsistencies like this. Could be damdred is scum, but I don't see any of this even remotely convincing comapred to OWS

On October 09 2014 13:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Actually.

Can I get some opinions on Hopeless? It's like he's one of those players that a bunch of people are suspicious of but nobody wants to pull the trigger. Thoughts. Go.