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Hmm, the only thing that I can think of for a mafia "mission" is something along the lines of, player X must receive at least # votes or player Y must be convinced to vote for player Z. Or maybe identify the player with role Z. Mafia dying if they fail these seems is pretty harsh, so I think we should pay extra attention of players voting certain ways without explanation after the 24 hour mark. I'd also be less willing to believe cop checks for the sake of mafia needing to use a fake one to complete their mission, but I guess it's too early to worry about something like that. | ||
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On September 02 2014 05:12 mderg wrote: IMO proper reads > catching people on missions True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system. For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission. Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something. | ||
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On September 02 2014 08:54 Damdred wrote: If I may draw your attention to Guilty mafia that just completed, we swung the vote in the last 30 seconds almost to lynch mafia day one. If we get stuck to much in the mindset that we have to find the mission and break it, or piling on votes to one wagon (which i think is what was discussed) is a good idea. It really is not today, or any day. We really need at least two wagons going just so we have another option and we can see peoples voting patterns take form after day1,2,3 etc.. Well that idea would be that the day cycle would be like any other game, except 47 hours instead of 48 hours. You still would have 2 wagons and voting analysis could still be done since the player with the most votes after 47 hours would be lynched. The only difference would be that everyone moves to that player in the last hour. On second thought, people aren't really reliable enough to be around and now that the day is a few hours old, its not really worth discussing policy like that which isn't incredibly important so I say we should probably just drop the idea. Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts. batsnacks is around, but has chosen not to post so I wouldn't mind a couple of votes on him. Micchan is a reasonable alternative if he doesn't have anything to say either. On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.  I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there. | ||
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On September 02 2014 10:42 Vivax wrote: Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more. It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned. Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack? | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:11 kushm4sta wrote: Long nonsense post - possibly satisfying a mission. (templar also did a super long shitty post hmm) Does "hmm" imply that you honestly think that templar's long post was mission related? I don't see the relevance. | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:14 kushm4sta wrote: Day 1 scum mission - make a post with a bazillion words in it And how would the mafia team every fail the mission? There is no challenge here... | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote: That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same. So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"? meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again. | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:30 Vivax wrote: You didn't seem displeased, you gave us a reason for you to not pursue it further. If you were displeased I'd expect you to be more confrontational than that, where you give yourself a reason to ignore it. Why bring it up at all if it's of no relevance for you afterwards? That's what I also don't understand from a town pov. I'd expect you to mention things you find worthwhile mentioning and if you mention that but don't apply it at all to your templar read cause apparently it doesn't say enough for you then it just looks like an issue you would find scummy usually, but here you play it down. Well I found 3d12 and batsnacks more scummy and mentioned that in the exact same post. Templar was kinda scummy, but not a huge deal to me if it was a one time thing, as I stated. | ||
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On September 02 2014 08:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, I'd really like to point out that this isn't the game to be posting stupid gifs/random useless shit. Is Obi typically a player who enforces a non-nonsense policy from the start of the game as town? I'll probably check myself at some point, but going to bed now. On September 02 2014 08:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I actually really want to kill batsnacks for posting his wall because I really can't see any kind of town/goofy reason for him to put it up there unless the host made him. If you can't see any reason for him to post that as town, it makes me wonder why you don't consider the possibility that he could just be trolly posting. I'm not saying that's the most likely explanation, but that post doesn't make him guilty in my opinion. His lack of response when questioned about the templar vote is the bigger deal. | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:48 The_Templar wrote: So, if I repeatedly summarize my thoughts on how the thread has developed, I must be scum. Got it. If you repeatedly do it in a catch up, disconnected way, then yes probably. | ||
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On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. How do you feel about obi and poofter so far? | ||
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On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote: How do you feel about obi and poofter so far? Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.[/quote] On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in. ##vote 27nb So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me. | ||
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On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote: So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me. EBWOP | ||
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On September 03 2014 02:17 The_Templar wrote: I don't like these sort of questions because they can be used as a two-way tool depending on the answer. On September 03 2014 02:17 The_Templar wrote: Another (more so) two-way post. He hasn't said a word about poofter so far, particularly. The reason I asked that was because 3d gave bat a town read for his "provocative" random vote so I brought up the two other players who did the same thing, wondering if he would use the same reasoning, which doesn't seem to be the case. I don't see how you find me suspicious for trying to figure things like that out. | ||
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On September 03 2014 02:28 Micchan wrote: Ok here whatever Im srry 3d i highly suspect ing u after backtracking...ur obviously trying to divert attention rn... Could you elaborate about what he is diverting attention from? | ||
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Mostly Townish Tehpoofter - Wouldn't look into on day one due to activity. Generally agreeable. Vivax is an incredibly lazy scum from my experience, which isn't on par from what we've seen so far, which makes me lean town. He did pick up a spot where templar seemed to change opinions about myself, which shows he is reading. Wouldn't lynch. mderg - This is kinda silly but I'm leaning town due to "I thought a bit about how to deal with missions". The mafia team obviously wouldn't think about how to deal with the missions. It's always possible that he is mafia pretending to think about them to throw us off, but I'm not leaning that way right now. Damdred - "I really like the idea of trying to break the mafias mission as we go towards the Eo" This quote shows interest in generating a plan, which is generally townie thing to say. Again, probably a silly thing to make a read off of, but he would have to look pretty bad the second half of the day to consider lynching. batsnacks - "I don't know who are mafia yet" is generally something a townie will say earlier on in my opinion. Need more content. The_Templar - Townie....I think. obi does seem just as....blunt I suppose I'm look for....in the past games that I looked through as both alignments. I don't have a great feel one way or the other here. Scummyish oats is flying under the radar, which I associate with the last time he was scum that we played together. Effort seems suspect based on mentioning how he can't remember certain details multiple times. His posts make me think he has read the last 3-5 posts in the thread, picked one of them to reply to and moved on. kush is someone I usually think is scum. Whenever I look through his past games, as soon as I think I've found a pattern, he flips the opposite alignment and I need to throw the idea out the window. His speculation about templar having to post a "long post" as a mission was really poor and I don't see that as something a town player sees as likely so I have him closer to mafia than town right now, but I'd probably want to hear more opinions from others about his overall play so far. Micchan is definitely the low hanging fruit of the cycle. Typically I like pushing these types of lynches just as much as mafia do. I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where he would be helpful on day three. The comment about 3d diverting attention seems sensationalized to me. His other post is a complaint without doing anything and a unnecessary defense. I might put myself in a bad spot if he flips green, but he may be my preferred lynch right now. I want to reread 3d since there were a bunch of things he said that rubbed me the wrong way, but I want to avoid the confirmation bias. I've ignored bunnies for the most part so I will reread her as well. I remember that she was commenting about a few things way past it being relevant, but that's about it. | ||
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For that post you pointed out, he points out all the things he disagrees with and it was followed by "my conclusion is that 3d12 is slightly green but I don't like how he thinks very much." This is an interesting read since it attempts to distinguish between the validity of his ideas and the motivations behind his posts. As mafia, I think it's really easy to point out all the bad thoughts and come to a scum conclusion as a result. He could probably do well for himself by throwing some spoilers around the quotes, but there are enough spots where he responds to posts unprompted that don't give me the detached feeling that I was referring to earlier, that always makes me suspicious of Foolishness. When I was reading on Newbie LVI, I did pick up on his habit to give thread updates to his availability, but it's tough to say how significant that is without a town example. I'm a terrible player for using the "he can't possibly roll scum 4 times in a row" argument, but that doesn't stop me from doing so  I'd rather look elsewhere at the moment. | ||
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On September 03 2014 10:02 batsnacks wrote: Or we might be able to trigger a success on a vote related mission. Unlikely, too difficult to achieve without a cop claim. | ||
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On September 03 2014 10:56 Tehpoofter wrote: I disagree with some of your reads my main question to you is why does it seem like a bunch of your reads come from early in the thread. (I realize its relatively short thread but still) Like your read on kush comes from his 4th post. I feel like hes given a good amount since then so it concerns me thats where your scum read is coming from. I don't feel like he's given a good amount. I felt the argument that batsnacked looks terrible based on a potential mission is a really weak vote and everything else is a defense of himself or others. "So why is tehpoofter "top town" if he is making this horrible case on you, equating trolliness to scuminess?" This post I suppose is reasonable, but that's about it. What are you referring to when you say a "good amount"? On September 03 2014 10:56 Tehpoofter wrote: Can you expand on the Templar read? Is the response to Vivax sufficient? I don't really have anything new to bring to the table about him. | ||
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##Vote Micchan | ||
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On September 03 2014 21:13 batsnacks wrote: If I'm gambling, I bet kitaman is mafia and his mission is that he has to vote with the majority. ##vote: kitaman27 ![[image loading]](http://myreactiongifs.com/gifs/aceventurathumbsup.gif) | ||
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On September 02 2014 14:03 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I just skimmed the thread, but is there anything specific I should look at? Did someone say batsnacks made a terrible post? Shows a lack of effort here. The thread is incredibly small that skimming is not necessary, you can read everything in 10 minutes. She asks about the batsnacks post, yet he has like 2-3 posts at this point. How difficult is it to click the filter button and give an opinion, rather than asking to be pointed to the post? The batsnack third party speculation could be a mafia mindsight if she knows he isn't scum. At one point she mentions, "why focus on missions when we should be finding mafia", yet at no point in the thread is she actually attempting to find mafia, aside from mentioning 3d in passing. When she returns to the thread, she mentions how disappointing it is the the thread is so small, yet when the thread was small, she couldn't be bothered to read it to begin with. Again, she asks about anything worth reading, instead of attempting to bring new ideas to the thread. I'd put her in my red pool right now. (Ahead of kush, maybe bumping out Oats?). I still want to reread 3d one more time, but I'm between bunnies and the M guy who doesn't post. | ||
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On September 03 2014 22:00 The_Templar wrote: where can I find GIFs like that one? Go to your local VHS store, rent a 90s classic, throw it into your VCR and record it using your camcorder. Purchase a cassette I/O drive and a hard drive with at least 50 MB capacity. Connect to the tubes using your dial-up modem, wait at least 10 hours for upload, and you've got the perfect gif for responding to absurd votes like this one. The explanation is so bad here that I'm struggling to determine whether a mafia could be so bold to use that as their reasoning or if a town player could be that paranoid. -_- | ||
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On September 03 2014 21:50 27ninjabunnies wrote: Anything special happened? On September 03 2014 21:13 batsnacks wrote: If I'm gambling, I bet kitaman is mafia and his mission is that he has to vote with the majority. ##vote: kitaman27 Thoughts? | ||
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@Vivax do you still think we are both buddies? Maybe give us a percentage of how likely you think that is right now? If not, who is worse? | ||
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On September 04 2014 02:10 batsnacks wrote: He's given a lot of effort to this cutting the day short idea. I think he feels strongly about it. I don't think cutting the day short or even talking about cutting the day short is pro-town. On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote: On second thought, people aren't really reliable enough to be around and now that the day is a few hours old, its not really worth discussing policy like that which isn't incredibly important so I say we should probably just drop the idea. On September 02 2014 11:31 kitaman27 wrote: @Templar, if you read my earlier post I did say to drop it for that exact reason. I don't feel that setup speculation is worth talking about anymore. I've given a lot of effort towards the idea? When templar asked me to talk about it more, I declined. In the exact post that you quoted and bolded as evidence that I felt strongly, I told everyone to drop the idea. Am I getting trolled or something? | ||
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Modkills don't happen until day 3 so I don't think that's a valid reason to let him live either. | ||
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On September 04 2014 02:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: What the fuck are you doing this game? Clearly not caring. | ||
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I'm hoping that I'll be around for the last 5 minutes of the day, but I'm not sure how long it will last. | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Kita come on dude, you can do better than that I'm still pretty annoyed that Micchan wasted our time like that. We'll never hear from him again and he could probably care less. I suppose it's part of the game though. I try not to get too worked up over a things so I took a break this evening. Unfortunately, I can't "do better than that" this night cycle with a busy workday tomorrow, but if I don't get shot, things should be much easier once the weekend hits. I trust you to cover for me tonight Oats | ||
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The last few games I've played, I've found that the players that were in my blind spot were actually much more likely to flip mafia than the players that have done something widely thought as scummy. So this game I've tried to pay extra attention to these individuals. At first, that person was Oats. He said a few things that make me want to believe he is town, though I suppose he has played enough games that he knows what to say from the other side. Damdred, mderg, bunnies, and obi would be the other players that fits into this category. I've started reading through their filters, up I'm up against the clock. I wrote the post on batsnacks first, which probably wasn't the greatest time management on my part since I don't have much to say about anyone else yet. mderg looks like lynch bait. I want to say town, but he really needs to post more if he doesn't want to become a liability. I looked through damdred for quite a while since I felt that he was pretty bland, but I don't have a conclusion on him. bunnies I was leaning mafia on, but I'll definitely spend more time on her if I survive. batsnacks I want to bring up his case against myself again, because it's contents is so incredibly ludicrous that I'm baffled that he can end the day bragging that his vote "was in an excellent spot and that he stands by his decision." Like in the 50+ games that I've played, this honestly might take the cake as the most illogical case I've seen against myself. On September 04 2014 02:10 batsnacks wrote: I just wanted to see what people would do if I posted an I Ching reading. I was also curious what the reading would be. The I Ching is useful in gaining insights. This is unrelated to the actual case, but he starts off with this. Anyone notice that he doesn't actually attempt to show in any way what insights he actually gained? Same thing with the random vote on Templar. I actually wasted some time doing a text comparison on google from what he posted and the actual text. There was a small section missing, but nothing significant, so this was mostly time wasted on my part. On September 04 2014 02:10 batsnacks wrote: He's given a lot of effort to this cutting the day short idea. I think he feels strongly about it. Now take a look at what he finds suspicious about myself. He thinks that I feel strong about the lynch idea. In the exact post that he is quoting, I state not only that I've decided to drop the idea, but I also state how it's not important enough to discuss any further. When Templar asks me about it again, I said I dropped it and that was it. So how does batsnacks come to the conclusion that I feel strongly about the idea when in the paragraph below I'm calling it unimportant. Is he even reading the quotes that he is bolding or is he only skimming the first sentence? Next, he comes up with the suggestion that I'm on a mission by providing the following evidence: On September 04 2014 02:10 batsnacks wrote: Look at these posts, he has been going after easy majorities since the very beginning: He said this when I was the vote leader. At this point, it's around 20 hours into the game and batsnack's only has his troll post to his name. He has two whole votes against him and I call for him to start posting. On September 04 2014 02:10 batsnacks wrote: Now he's going after micchan because micchan is the new majority leader. Again, Micchan has a total of two votes at this point. How does he take these top suspicions and conclude that I'm a scum player who must vote with the majority. Even worse, he believes it with confidence. In both examples he picked out, the vote was at 2 players out of 13. I could vote for essentially any player in the game and it would be close to a majority at that point because no one was voting. How does this apply to me and not every other player in the game? Why aren't the 5th or 6th vote on Micchan also mafia on a majority mission? Why is he pointing out that I'd like to see a few votes on batsnacks, but totally ignoring anything I find suspicious of 3d, kush, or bunnies. The first thing to come to mind is that he comes to a conclusion and then attempting to find evidence that fits the conclusion. I've dealt with a fair amount of paranoid townies before, but batsnacks is so confident that he is right, mentioning as if it's a fact that I'm mafia, without attempting to interact with me or pushing people towards lynching me. In fact, it had to be incredibly obvious that I wasn't getting lynched this cycle. Imagine if you're in his shoes. You're dead set that I'm on a mafia mission to vote with the majority. You know you can't get me lynched. What do you do? You convince town to force me to vote outside the majority. It wouldn't have changed the outcome, and as a mafia player, if I were to fail a mission, it would mean my death. That's just as good as a lynch. He didn't even bother asking. In the meantime, while he is running around with his head cut off, he never even gives an opinion on Micchan. I really hope he is scum because the alternative would be pretty frustrating. The fact that he is so confident about such a bad case, leads me to think red | ||
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On September 05 2014 06:11 Tehpoofter wrote: Anyone around to interact with? I'm about to drive home so I can't chat now, but I remember kush caught me as scum once for asking this exact question. | ||
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On September 05 2014 08:19 Vivax wrote: Well when I read his posts the thing that comes to mind is: Artificial, excessively thought out. It's like he puts in a tremendous amount of effort to make them sound legitimate. lol I've never seen "it looks like he's putting a tremendous amount of effort" as a reason to call someone scummy. If you think I'm mafia, come out and say it with a legitimate case, because you're not going to discredit my posts by calling them artificial without providing examples. @bats, just an fyi, that Doctor Who game that you looked at, I started out as town and was converted to mafia later on in the game. Will probably post about bunnies next. | ||
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On September 05 2014 08:48 batsnacks wrote: If you have time, will you link me a recent game where you where mafia? Maybe two games if you can so it's harder for you to pick one single weird game where you acted uncharacteristically. Since I'm in a good mood, I'll give you examples for everyone. Just for you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database#2 | ||
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On September 05 2014 08:50 Vivax wrote: What I mean is: You seem very focused on delivering very thought out explanations for your own behaviour in some aspects. It's like you're writing an alibi on how every time a certain specific event pushes your thoughts into a certain direction, which seems artificial. You are more focused on explaining yourself and why your thought process develops in a certain way rather than explaining why somebody else is scum. meh, what do you think of bunnies before I give my opinion? | ||
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On September 05 2014 08:54 batsnacks wrote: Had you not been in a good mood, what would you have responded with? Well I'd probably stare at this cute elephant gif until I was in a good mood and then give you the links anyways. ![[image loading]](http://giant.gfycat.com/SleepyThisGreendarnerdragonfly.gif) | ||
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*Puts on tinfoil hat* | ||
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On September 05 2014 09:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Too much bullshit man. Bat not scum. kita, why didn't you die? Well it certainty isn't because the Doctor saved me. | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:08 Tehpoofter wrote: Oats/Kita can you explain how you read kush and what your read is on him currently. I've heard from Vivax and generally am starting to agree with him on that. I was leaning on scum d1, but I'll add to my to-do list. | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I really can't get over how weird the Templar kill was. Who shoots Templar? What does scum get out of it? The dude basically claimed not blue earlier in the game, so rolefishing is out. Well bunnies does. Gotta see if it fits though. | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:13 Tehpoofter wrote: K if you can what do you use to read him like what metric? Can't say I have a great way of reading him, but the biggest thing would probably be that he tends to be along for the ride as scum, while as town he will have flashes of opinions without being prompted. | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:31 Tehpoofter wrote: Is Everyone watching football or something? Yes. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Werewolves Invade Teamliquid II Town Brutal Leader Lynched Day 3 Normal Ass Normal Game Town Vanilla Lynched Day 3 Glory Seeker Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 3 [M][N] Detention Mafia Mafia Roleblocker Lynched Day 5 Normal Mini Mafia LVI Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 2 World Cup Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 TL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2 Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 If you have any interest in breaking this trend, now is really the point where you're going to need to quadruple your activity. People may be giving you a pass right now, but if you're town you're going to need to get in front of things before they're out of your control considering you decided not to post during the night cycle. | ||
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On September 05 2014 11:03 Tehpoofter wrote: I feel he also might have killed Templar to try to cash in on the town cred. Does this actually ever happen in practice? I doubt it. | ||
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On September 03 2014 22:12 27ninjabunnies wrote: 2. Wrong, I'm finding mafia. 3. I'm reading and commenting. See point one. (I also have another page with all the points I'm going to address. You'll see it in about 2 minutes. Now take a look at the post 2 minutes later with "all the points she is going to address". + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2014 22:14 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'm on page 18 right now- which isn't much, but I'll go ahead and post this random tidbit that has prob no basis at all, but I don't care. Why wouldn't you? I want to kill both. Plus we don't even know if there is a 3p role in this game. Like I said just an idea. Awkward does not necessarily equal scummy. But mafia tend to be more awkward in their posting because of not being sure what to say, I find. Stop being mean to new people. @3d12- you said my read on tehpoofter was silly and based on troll posts, but I think I gave a bit more reasoning than that. why is the read silly to you? What do you think of poofter so far? Also http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=17#338<--------- Town tehpoof She elaborates about the third party comment (not a new idea), she gives a wishy washy reply about the akward comment (again not new content), she tells templar to be nice, asks 3d a question (only real thing of worth) and gives a town read on poof (not new, already said earlier. So where exactly is she "finding mafia". Where is the new content that she is bringing to the thread? On September 03 2014 22:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'll leave you with this to stir over. Mafia 3d12 Oats Bat (I'm also still sticking with possible 3p here. Cause why the fuck not) Vivax Micchan (play the game dude, or get lynched) Later on she makes this post. Even for the low standards of list posts, this is pretty bad. This is actually the first time she mentions oats this game. When this is brought up, she calls him not very memorable and moves on. Not finding mafia here. She quickly removes 3d from her suspicion list and flip flops a bit later on after the lynch has already passed. Not finding mafia here. She doesn't bring anything new about Micchan. Not finding mafia here. On September 05 2014 07:02 27ninjabunnies wrote: I really wanted to kill Vivax.... but after talking with him last night, I'm starting to like him. She has Vivax on her scum list and even mentioned how she "really wanted to kill him" at one point. At no point do I see an explanation of why Vivax is mafia or a push to kill him. Not finding mafia here. bats is the only player she actually does follow up with and put some effort into convincing others. Here is her list of reasons explaining why he is scum. On September 04 2014 03:43 27ninjabunnies wrote: 1. Batsnack posts a useless post that (prob) has nothing to do with the game. 2. Randomly votes Templar, and has no reason as to why. 3. His 3d12 is apologetic and means he is scum is super super weird. 4. Takes his vote off of templar because of voting thread? What? Still makes no sense, and hasnt explained why templar is scum. 5. What? 6. His last post is probably the most substantial and insightful of the game. but this is several posts after the above vote on Kita. It's him explaining why kita is mafia- because kita thinks we should all vote an hour before the end of day and has said it twice. For number one and two, those aren't even relevant at this point in the game. Who cares about those? I'm not sure what three is trying to say. For four, that's the same as number two, still don't care. Five and six are the same point. The reason I think that a templar kill could make sense from bunnies is that she seems to have had a different evaluation of how townie he looked compared to what others thought. I know when I'm choosing mafia kills that I don't leave my "strongest town" read alive unless there is a good reason. For someone who claims to be trying to find mafia, I really don't see it. After an absence, she returns with a null read and a defense post. She wants batsnacks to die, but hasn't done much to ensure it happens. Have a mafia read. | ||
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On September 03 2014 21:50 27ninjabunnies wrote: Anything special happened? On September 03 2014 22:12 27ninjabunnies wrote: I like to gauge where people are at within the thread and how they are thinking. The easiest way to do that is to ask what key points happened within the thread, and then to question as to why that's important to them. If you notice, I did exactly that to Templar. On June 02 2014 06:07 27ninjabunnies wrote: Anyone want me to look at somethign specific? This allows me to get a read on where the thread is at, also lets me see who thinks what is more important to look at than others. For example, i did it during the mz, odin, ritoky cell lynch. Its just how i get my reads. Bunnies, if I'm having trouble reading you, where am I going wrong? When I first called you out for effort, you spat back the same explanation essentially word for word as your last scum game. | ||
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On September 06 2014 00:14 27ninjabunnies wrote: I want to be the 100th post in thread! Mission Successful | ||
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Also was going to ask, how can bats and I be top two scum reads. Are we pulling a double bus or do you think it's one or the other? | ||
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On September 06 2014 00:28 3d12 wrote: This is probably the strangest post I've seen from you yet, kita. Many potential missions have been pointed out by you and you've been really good at pointing out/heading off potential mission-like behavior. What makes you say this couldn't be true? Honestly, from the way your viewpoint changed without any clarification, it sounds like you're trying to pull me off of bat's trail. I'm townreading you so far, so give me a reason to keep doing so. Why is this mod warning irrelevant? You don't make reads off of mod warnings, ever. | ||
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On September 06 2014 00:31 3d12 wrote: How about in a scenario with potential death hanging over whether or not you fulfill your mission? I believe a mod would warn bat for trying to cheese his mission and complete it in one post. Without clarification from √(-1) though, it's impossible to tell. The way I see it, if this has nothing to do with a mission, √(-1) should clarify why bat was warned, since his behavior didn't seem outwardly worthy of a warning. If no clarification comes forth, I'm forced to believe it's to protect the integrity of the game, i.e. mission-related. Would you disagree? That would be handled privately in my opinion. More likely, its in incredibly pain for a host to record 10 votes and unvotes on a voting history. | ||
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@Damdred, When you return, I'd much rather hear a case or two from you than a back and forth with Vivax explaining why you are town. I'll likely wait till tomorrow to decide my preferred lynch. | ||
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On September 06 2014 00:38 3d12 wrote: So hitting CTRL+V 9 times is worth warning a player? I'll believe it when I hear it from the host. In the meantime, I suggest we keep a closer eye on bat. I was one of the ones who wrote off his intro post as nonsense, but his actions have gotten fishier lately, and that intro post keeps popping back into my mind like it's somehow relevant. You analyzed the intro post he posted and if I recall, you said there was a small section missing? Could you paste or link the missing section? If I have time over my lunch break, I'd like to poke into that a bit myself. Don't get my wrong, I have bats in my top four red list, but there are better ways to argue that. Mainly his nonsense reads, the fact that he was incredibly satisfied where is vote was night one, he went into day two supporting a vote on me or obi, and then has dropped it since without explanation. Here is the missing passage, but I wouldn't waste too much time on it. + Show Spoiler + Nine in the third place means: No plain not followed by a slope. No going not followed by a return. He who remains persevering in danger Is without blame. Do not complain about this truth; Enjoy the good fortune you still possess. Everything on earth is subject to change. Prosperity is followed by decline: this is the eternal law on earth. Evil can indeed be held in check but not permanently abolished. It always returns. This conviction might induct melancholy, but it should not; it ought only to keep us from falling into illusion when good fortune comes to us. If we continue mindful of the danger, we remain persevering and make no mistakes. As long as a man's inner nature remains stronger and richer than anything offered by external fortune, as long as he remains inwardly superior to fate, fortune will not desert him. | ||
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On September 06 2014 00:18 kitaman27 wrote: Also was going to ask, how can bats and I be top two scum reads. Are we pulling a double bus or do you think it's one or the other? Could you clarify kush? | ||
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Who do you think is mafia that you've actually read through? Top 2 names and why would be nice. | ||
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On September 04 2014 04:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: But it really disgusts me how many people went afk and didn't give a shit. On September 05 2014 12:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm just going to sheep Vivax because I don't feel like doing anything. See you. B) On September 04 2014 02:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: What the fuck are you doing this game? On September 03 2014 12:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I love how almost everyone is okay with me doing nothing. Somebody get this guy a mirror. It's really tempting to lynch him, just so we don't have to hear the "LOL I DID NOTHING AND GOT AWAY WITH IT. SUCK IT TOWN" speech at endgame. On September 03 2014 12:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I never post reads dude. I always hide them until I have an ironclad case or unless I have a really strong townread, of which I have neither. I think you should have had more than enough time to put together an ironclad case by now. | ||
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On September 06 2014 04:58 Tehpoofter wrote: I guess I'm not seeing what exactly you're calling Obi scum for. Just that he hasn't made his case? For being a hypocrite. He states how he is "disgusted" by others absence and then afks himself. He calls kush out for activity after bragging about doing nothing himself. And yes, I'm also requesting a case. | ||
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##Vote Damdred Unofficial count since I wanted to see where they are at. I never really though Obi was the best lynch and I guess I'm not very patient with pressuring him. Maybe if I ask nicely, he will post. Please give us a case? -_- Still thinking about who I would prefer between Damdred, bunnies, batsnacks, and kush. At the moment I'm at Damdred. Vivax (1): kush (4): batsnacks (2): 3d (1): Damdred (3): Vivax, ObiWanShinobi, Kita ObiWanShinobi (0): | ||
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On September 06 2014 08:24 kushm4sta wrote: batsnacks i just looked at your filter closer pretty much. kita leaving your options open much? On September 06 2014 01:08 kushm4sta wrote: Honestly kits I don't know yet mostly do to lack of research. I think bat is scum. I don't have any opinions on your connection with him. I haven't filet dived you and I skimmed your long posts. So it's hard for me to have an opinion You accuse me of leaving my options open, yet you're the one that was incapable of answering my simple question. | ||
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On September 06 2014 08:26 kushm4sta wrote: also kita do you townread mderg or just forgot about him? I didn't forget about him, I posted his terrible track record of getting lynched nearly every game he played and told him it was going to happen again unless he posted. He is clearly 100% inactive so pressuring him doesn't achieve anything, unless I'm planning on going through with pushing his lynch, which I'm not. I think there are scummy players with a better sample size to go by on day two. | ||
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On September 06 2014 08:49 kushm4sta wrote: AND WHAT THE F DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH YOU KEEPING YOUR OPTIONS OPEN? I said that I was going to wait and see on you because when I asked you to post your scum reads, you weren't sure because you hadn't looked yet. Hence the wait and see. You're the one saying I'm keeping my options open. | ||
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On September 06 2014 08:48 kushm4sta wrote: So do you think it's scummy that I couldn't answer your "simple question"? Don't you buy why I said I couldn't answer it at the time? No....didn't I just say the opposite when I said I'm having second thoughts on a scum kush...hence seeing townie things? Why are you suggestioning that I'm positioning myself to lynch you or something... | ||
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On September 06 2014 09:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Kita, you gonna pressure me or what? Nope, I'm going to ignore you and you're not going to be able to resist posting an incredibly compelling case in order to gain my approval. However, no matter what you do, you're never going to be good enough to live up to your older brother. He's always going to be my favorite. Remember that. | ||
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On September 06 2014 09:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Seriously though, come at me Kita. I'm not happy with the fact that you're content to post some garbage on me that was taken completely out of context and then show no interest in following up on anything that you say. I mean, I'm still probably going to tell you to fuck yourself, but it's the thought that counts. Why are you so disinterested in my responses to anything? You know that me posting a case isn't going to prove me town, especially if other players have already covered the topics I wanted to cover or if my case turns out to be bad. It could be intentionally bad, or unintentionally bad, so I don't know how you would even start to go about discerning the difference between the two when your request is for me to just post a case on anything. PEdit: Apparently I have won over the crowd. That's always fun. I did not post garbage about you. You went 24 hours at the start of day two after claiming to be disgusted about the lack of activity the previous day. You openly bragged about doing nothing and seemed quite proud of the fact that people saw you doing nothing and thought "lol yep, that's classic Obi". If it weren't for the fact that you were voting damdred and batsnacks I would probably dislike you more. I'm not going to beg you for an explanation for your reads, but I would vote for your lynch if you're going to do nothing but troll this cycle | ||
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On September 06 2014 09:23 batsnacks wrote: I don't even know who I'm voting for because the host lost interest after I broke his game or something. Just in case I'm still voting for kush, which I shouldn't be right now. Here is the plan that we should take. batsnacks is going with the idea that "the host lost interest after he broke his game", the only reason to think that is that if batsnack actually has a role related to voting that could actually involve the host being concerned about the votes. I propose that batsnacks role claims. If he fails, we should lynch him because he is trolling about the idea that 3d put out there. There is zero reason to assume that the host is concerned about breaking the game as vanilla town. | ||
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On September 06 2014 09:50 batsnacks wrote: kitaman27 if I was right about you AND your mission d1 I am going to be really pleased with myself. I just want to throw that out there. Role claim for post above? | ||
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On September 06 2014 09:53 batsnacks wrote: That is really, really optimistic of you. So what are you saying? | ||
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On September 06 2014 09:55 batsnacks wrote: That that is really, really optimistic of you. Can we be serious for just 60 seconds, that's all I ask. Do you honestly believe that the host was upset with you about your votes for role related reasons? | ||
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Nope, I'm not making a read off the mod warning. I'm asking you if you were stated "because the host lost interest after I broke his game or something" as something that you actually believe to be true or you stated it to poke fun at 3d. | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:01 batsnacks wrote: If you're not making a read off of it then I don't understand why you want me to answer. 3d12 isn't scum. I have expressed this previously. You already had that information before this dialog. I'm not asking about 3d. I'm asking, do honestly think that it's possible that the host is worried that you broke his game or were you saying it as a joke? | ||
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On September 04 2014 07:42 batsnacks wrote: Given that, my vote was in an excellent spot I stand by the decisions I made day 1 On September 04 2014 03:56 batsnacks wrote: That's two down. On September 04 2014 07:05 batsnacks wrote: Do you think I was right about kitaman27? On September 04 2014 06:50 batsnacks wrote: there is at least 1 scum between the two of you. On September 05 2014 07:34 batsnacks wrote: I think I will vote obiwan or kitaman today. Considering you were so completely confident that I am mafia, why does it take a random 1 liner from kush and a joke vote from Obi for you to finally vote me. Weren't you in an "excellent spot" yesterday and you stand by you're decision? Now you're voting me in passing, saying that you'll probably end up on kush. | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: "Posting a case" isn't going to make me town or not, and you know it, so why would you make such an asinine request? Giving a read on essentially anyone is an "asinine" request? You said that you were going to sheep Vivax and don't care to do anything at the time. It's not like I posted this right after you made your post. You went 24 hours with NOTHING. You state that making a case isn't going to make you town. Well how exactly do you expect us to make a read if you post NOTHING for more than the first half of the cycle. If you're looking for specifics, what is your read on Kush, Damdred, Bunnies and batsnacks and why? | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:08 batsnacks wrote: Quote where I said I will probably end up on kush today and I will unvote you. Misread that. The point still stands, why have you completely ignored your number one scumread. Is your case still that you think I had to be on the majority day one or are there any posts today that lead you to your conclusion? | ||
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On September 06 2014 08:09 kitaman27 wrote: I'm having second thoughts on a scum kush, but I'm in wait and see mode. To elaborate on this one, from the games I've looked at, kush appears to shut down as mafia once he becomes a legitimate lynch target. He commonly lashes out at people stating that there is obviously nothing he can do, so why should he work for people who aren't willing to listen. This game he at least seems willing to give opinions, rather than accepting his fate and going dark. | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reads are not the same things as cases, so don't turn around and try to change what your initial request was into trying to get my view on things when you're goading me into pushing for literally anyone's lynch. I asked you for your reads and why. Are you honestly arguing semantics now? On September 06 2014 10:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Furthermore, what does me being afk for 24 hours have to do with anything? Do you know why I was afk? Did you think I had the ability to check the thread? Why or why not? You yourself pointed out that you loved how you could get away with doing nothing and nobody would care. I called you out on it in attempt for you to give us something and now you complain about it? On September 06 2014 10:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I can get the fact that going away and doing nothing for extended periods of time can be considered scummy, but I came back into the thread wanting to engage you and you just didn't care enough to figure out why. What gives? I asked you for your opinions on four different players and you refused. What gives? | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:24 batsnacks wrote: Dude you should do motivational speaking. Your optimism is off the charts. poofter, will you vote with me on him if he refuses to post it? | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:25 kitaman27 wrote: poofter, will you vote with me on him if he refuses to post it? You stated that you have decided that I'm mafia and that the only reason you withheld it was because you had second thoughts. What reason is there not to post it? | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:26 Tehpoofter wrote: that was post 6666 of you soo...... scum claim? I saw what batsnacks posted at the start of the game that was total shit and his case I'd love to see I don't know why he would keep it in notepad. If he had to make one up it probably will be shitty anyways. So you agree if he doesn't post it now that he should be lynched? Otherwise, he has time to fabricate one. It's already been like 6 minutes. | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You didn't ask me for reads. You asked me for a case. Call it semantics all you want, but you know for a fact that they're two completely different things and pretending that they aren't is bullshit. And it isn't even the fact that I do nothing. It's that I claimed that I was doing nothing, and then clearly showed that I was doing plenty of things. You can't clearly show that you were doing plenty of things if you admit you're sheeping vivax and then go afk for 24 hours. So are you not going to give opinions about those 4 players....or what? | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:29 batsnacks wrote: kitaman27 doesn't know me very well. Look at my posts this game. If I think something was too inappropriate to post... then god dog it, it is too damn inappropriate to post. I've already been warned once. So to be clear, you're not posting your case hidden away in notepad? | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:31 batsnacks wrote: Like I said, mention it post game. It is pure bat-gold. Heh k. | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'll give you reads when I get them. I've been focused on you since I came back. You can check my filter for how I felt about those players at the times of my interactions with them. I think my opinions have been fairly obvious. mmk, looking forward to them. | ||
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On September 06 2014 10:40 Tehpoofter wrote: Will you pressure 3d12 with me before then I think 3d is town, so probably not. | ||
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On September 06 2014 13:27 Vivax wrote: Yeah I don't like how he's so hung up on your inactivity, he might as well have started bitching about mderg. When you state that I'm so hung up on his inactivity, what are you inferring? I voted him hoping that he would be motivated to post and he never showed up so I moved on. He is probably 4th or 5th in line for the players I find the worst, so the fact that you make that bullying comment upsets me. As for answering Damdred, there is nothing to answer there. He mentions that all 5 of the individuals that I brought up at different points today as "easy targets", which is nonsense. Out of all the players in this game, I've taken the most stances, so saying I haven't is also nonsense. The only thing I'm struggling with is that there are so many people that look scummy that I haven't decided which should die first. Can't win the game by lynching all 3 in one cycle. I do admit that haven't pushed bunnies a ton, mostly due to people rubbing me the wrong way even worse and her absence from the thread when I've been around lately. I'll revisit her tomorrow, but I'm at batsnacks > damdred > bunnies currently. On September 06 2014 13:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That's not even my main issue with him. He's holding it against me that I don't have an ironclad case yet, votes me for it, has no interest in my response, and then changes his mind in that he only wants reads from me. Then I don't give him those reads and he votes someone else. You have your order of events mixed up. I was on Damdred when you showed up. So how could I vote someone else when you didn't give me the reads, when I wasn't on you to begin with? You state that I have no interest in your response, yet I asked for those four reads 3 times and then you said you would deliver eventually. Why are we still going in circles? When I unvoted you prior to you showing up, I stated that I was hoping you would show up with some content and that I never intended to vote for you at the end of the cycle. Since you've returned, your use of time has been really inefficient :/ | ||
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On September 07 2014 01:40 batsnacks wrote: I agree with Vivax Damdred could be scum. It does make me feel uneasy about where my vote is at; none of my town reads are voting with me. This is the first time you mention Damdred potentially being scum, 115 hours into the game. Have you always felt this way or was there something he did recently that changed him mind. | ||
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On September 06 2014 13:01 27ninjabunnies wrote: This mess makes me want to go to bed and just not even look at the thread. And that's exactly what I'm going to do. Long shift+ running on 5 hours of sleep in the last 2 nights does not bode well. I'll post in the morning. Morning is over and still no posts You really can't wait until 15 minutes before the deadline to catch up and make a decision. The time window is closing. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:16 Damdred wrote: Kush keeps telling me i'm wrong about 3d, well almost everyone is telling me i'm wrong about 3d. I have to rethink him and reread him in the time I have left. Bats changed his playstyle day 2, which caused me to doubt my case against him. I'm not sure if he did that because of my case on him or because hes town. The sudden vote worries me because last night he said that I was the man, which normally means hes town reading me but the sudden switch makes me conflicted. If you didn't vote 3d, is bats your second preference currently? You said that you were starting to town read bunnies, yet you also called me case against her "decent", which one is it right now? | ||
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On September 06 2014 01:38 kushm4sta wrote: vivax's case on damdred is essentially one point: damdred changed his mind about miccan. Is there potential scum motivation behind this? Not really since there was no other viable lynch. Townies change their minds too. Damdred's filter is not rather empty content wise. He has an extremely high snr. He talks a lot about what he thinks and why. Could you point the posts you were referring to here kush? | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:58 Vivax wrote: You're f5ing the thread without having your vote sitting somewhere comfy since that last line of questioning? I have my vote on batsnacks....do you have a problem with that? Damdred is the other guy I'd consider and I've been questioning both of them. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:02 kitaman27 wrote: This is the first time you mention Damdred potentially being scum, 115 hours into the game. Have you always felt this way or was there something he did recently that changed him mind. Do you intend to respond to this? You posted about some random "scumslip" instead. | ||
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On September 07 2014 03:03 Vivax wrote: I'm kinda nervous before deadline and want to make sure my vote sits on the right person. That's why I have been wondering why you aren't trying to take a grip of where this game is heading. I've been requesting damdred to move off 3d and onto batsnacks and having kush justify why he is not on damdred. There really isn't much to do otherwise until Oats, mderg, Obi, poofter, bunnies returns and there is still 90 minutes to decide between the two. | ||
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On September 07 2014 03:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Im not coming back. night dudes. It is unlikely to see a kush lynch right now, do you have a second preference? | ||
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On September 07 2014 03:29 Tehpoofter wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Kushmasta Why not damdred? | ||
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-He voted me on day one because he claimed that I was on a mission to vote with the majority. At that point the majority was 2/13 players. -He stressed how important I felt about the vote early plan, yet the quote he bolded as evidence stated that I wanted to drop the plan and that it was unimportant to discuss further. -At the end of the cycle, he mentions that he was extremely happy with his vote on myself. At the beginning of the cycle, he confirms that I'm still scum. However, at no point in the game did he put in a true effort to get my lynched. -He votes Vivax early on d2, stating that he doesn't think Vivax is scum, but wants to motivate him to post, while ignoring his actual scum reads. -When obi throws a joke vote on me, his scum read against myself returns and he votes as well. After he is questioned about this, he respond that "I actually had a massive campaign planned against you but I dropped it at the very last minute." What time frame does "last second" actually make sense based on his posting history. -He claims to have written a "massive campaign" and saved it in notepad against myself, but didn't share it initially. However, when he decides that I am scum he decides not to reveal this "massive campaign". When he is pressured to reveal the post he has hidden away in notepad, he refuses. He is lying. -He votes Damdred after sharing no opinion at any other point. His only explanation is that he is posting "weird" and that he likes the people who have voted him, which includes his scum read kita and his scum read obi. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:03 kushm4sta wrote: kita i really dont find that argument convincing. just sounds liek stupid shit he did not scummy shit Do you believe him when he states that he has a massive campaign against me saved in notepad, he states that I am scum, yet he won't reveal it until postgame? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:04 kitaman27 wrote: Do you believe him when he states that he has a massive campaign against me saved in notepad, he states that I am scum, yet he won't reveal it until postgame? Like in what world does a town player do this? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:05 kushm4sta wrote: in what world does a scumplayer tell such an easily verifiable lie? So you're saying that it is a lie? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:06 batsnacks wrote: What I wrote before doesn't apply now. When did you write it? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:14 Vivax wrote: Kita also has a good shot at being scum, and the fact that his activity only surges like that very closely to deadline is suspicious in itself. It's the best time to sway people and displays more of his intent to get HIS lynch rather than figuring shit out before it's too late. Are you honestly denying that I haven't been one of the most active players all cycle? Why are you choosing to discredit me, minutes before the lynch? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:00 HaruRH wrote: Vote Count – Day 2 Vivax (0): 3d12 (1): kushm4sta (3): Damdred (2): batsnacks (4): ObiWanShinobi (0): mderg (0): kitaman27 (0): 27ninjabunnies (0): Not voting (1): mderg | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:16 Vivax wrote: Cause I've been wondering where you ran off after your brief line of questioning, only to come back shortly before deadline to turn the tides in something that feels like a very opportunistic way. Are you referring to a 20 minute period where I ate and watched some tennis or what? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't care about the list of people, aside from Oats doing next to nothing all game and afking on another wagon. I'm not sure if kush is scum. Simple as that. I wanted to kill batsnacks almost all game and it's becoming a problem picking between the two. Is there a reason you haven't voted? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:20 Vivax wrote: One thing that's for sure is that I won't be awarding any cred if bats flips scum. Damdred is the guy you should be yelling at for going dark. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:22 batsnacks wrote: Why should he post, everyone stopped voting him? Why would you have a case against me a mouse click away, see everyone votes for you because you refuse to share it, and decide not to share it? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:23 kushm4sta wrote: ##unvote ##vote damdred fuck the batsncaks lynch. damdred's tryhard is not really that townie if people vote for batsnacks that means i get lynched You realize that batsnacks has more votes than you, right? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:20 HaruRH wrote: kushm4sta (4): Didn't obi unvote? | ||
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##Vote Damdred | ||
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You either lynch the cop or the other wagon in that spot. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:34 Vivax wrote: It's gg with mderg's modkill I think Hmm? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:36 HaruRH wrote: Invalid votes (after 12.30) That's not what the OP says. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:37 kitaman27 wrote: That's not what the OP says. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after. Plus wasn't obi on damdred? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote: and we've had 2 blues flip which means damdred is probably scum Plus the fact that poofter didn't vote him after the kush green check :/ | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:48 kitaman27 wrote: Plus the fact that poofter didn't vote him after the kush green check :/ Like if poofter new he was dead from a failed mission, did he let the cop live because he was feeling generous or something? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:50 Vivax wrote: Dear kita, how does your last minute case on a townie look now. I hammered Damdred at the end of the day. That's all that counts. Why do you keep taunting me? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:56 Vivax wrote: Cause u scum. And you didn't hammer shit, your vote on Damdred was way past deadline. You even posted vote batsnacks after that cop claim. Nope, I did hammer damdred as stated in the OP. I'm not sure what the mods are going to do, but don't be mistaken, that vote counted when I cast it. | ||
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##Vote Damdred ...and reevaluate in a bit. The top item on my list is to read poofter and see if there is any possibility of a town Damdred. | ||
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I'll try to put in a half decent effort tomorrow at least. On September 08 2014 06:31 27ninjabunnies wrote: Im freaking done. Like... They are killing off all my scumreads. Scumreads as in more than one? There have been 2 night kills and you stated templar was your strongest townread :/ | ||
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On September 08 2014 10:25 kushm4sta wrote: I think this is the order I want to go in right now. 1. NB 2. oats 3. batsnacks? 4. vivax 5. 3d I think batsnacks should be higher on the list. Something is off about that guy. | ||
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On September 08 2014 11:20 Damdred wrote: You guys are making this easy for me ##Vote Damdred You have your vote and kush's vote. There are at least two mafia remaining and a fixed mafia kp, meaning that the order of lynches is likely unimportant. In fact, with an extra townie alive this cycle, you can make the argument that it would be better to the unknown in this position. You have your own vote and kush's vote. If you're willing to play out of your mind and nail the scum team in the next 24 hours, I'll let you know that I'm still open minded and my vote is still up for grabs. With 7 players, the leaves you only 1 vote off the majority. The conditions are that you have to convince us within the next 24 hours. If you've given up, then so be it and we probably lose if you're town. Otherwise, earn the win by identifying both mafia players with well thought out explanations and do it by tonight. I know that is a lot to ask if you're town, but that's the position you put yourself in with a fake claim that lynched a town player. Also, no more arguing with Vivax. Looking into poofter now. | ||
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On September 08 2014 22:15 kitaman27 wrote: There are at least two mafia remaining and a fixed mafia kp, meaning that the order of lynches is likely unimportant. In fact, with an extra townie alive this cycle, you can make the argument that it would be better to lynch the unknown in this position. You have your own vote and kush's vote. If you're willing to play out of your mind and nail the scum team in the next 24 hours, I'll let you know that I'm still open minded and my vote is still up for grabs. With 7 players, the leaves you only 1 vote off the majority. The conditions are that you have to convince us within the next 24 hours. If you've given up, then so be it and we probably lose if you're town. Otherwise, earn the win by identifying both mafia players with well thought out explanations and do it by tonight. I know that is a lot to ask if you're town, but that's the position you put yourself in with a fake claim that lynched a town player. Also, no more arguing with Vivax. Looking into poofter now. EBWOP | ||
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Bunnies and Oats, your activity is extremely bad. Unless you're both mafia, if you don't pick things up, I'm going to be pretty disappointed. I can understand being busy for a 24 hour period. Maybe 48 hours, but this hour 150. Surely you aren't so busy that you are incapable of reading such a short thread? | ||
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On September 08 2014 22:37 Vivax wrote: No, today I'm lynching Damdred. I'm not repeating the mistake of wanting to get every mafia at once. That guy isn't town. No way ever. He fakeclaime after a terrible comeback to the thread and deserves to die, no matter if he excuses with wanting to save kush which is a ludicrous statement to make when you can't be sure about alignments. Fakeclaim a green check to save a townread? No way ever. So you're going to do nothing this cycle and then one of us gets picked off tomorrow, leaving the game up to Oats? k no. | ||
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On September 08 2014 22:40 Vivax wrote: Kita what is this bullshit EoD you vote Damdred and now you contest his lynch with kush? There's a reason I'm suspecting you to be mafia with these two. And I'm about done with dealing with your suspicion. Either come out and call me mafia or work with me. | ||
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You argue that you refuse to solve the game all at once. You know that the second mafia player has to be identified at some point, so do you honestly believe that we're more likely to figure it out day four than now? What is more important to you, the information gained by Damdred's flip or the information gained by having the night three mafia kill still alive? | ||
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On September 08 2014 22:57 Vivax wrote: Yes. Cause he said "impossible missions are impossible" and his death is proof that he didn't lie. Well he said that 10 minutes after the lynch. I'm trying to figure out if he had anything at stake at about 30 minutes prior or if he was satisfied with the status quo. Also, his 3d comments rubbed me the wrong way at the time and still feel off. Not sure if they would be mission related or what. | ||
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On September 08 2014 23:00 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'm in class right now, after this, I'll be available for 2-3 hours before my next class. So excuse me for having other things to do. Yep, I can understand being busy with work and school. It's just that you're probably in the top 3 scum reads of most of the remaining players and I'm trying to avoid another one of these On September 06 2014 13:01 27ninjabunnies wrote: This mess makes me want to go to bed and just not even look at the thread. And that's exactly what I'm going to do. Long shift+ running on 5 hours of sleep in the last 2 nights does not bode well. I'll post in the morning. | ||
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On September 08 2014 23:00 kushm4sta wrote: Damdred is not fancy play type scum Please defend this statement with evidence. I see only 1 scum game in his history, during which he claimed a blue power role role relatively early on in the game and survived until endgame. | ||
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On September 08 2014 22:29 Damdred wrote: Kit what do you think about oats claiming he was role blocked? Was anyone blocked last night? It doesn't sound like anyone got blocked last night, but mafia has the ability to withhold, bury in a kill, target a town player, or target themselves, so I rarely put much thought one way or the other. If they do have a multi-shot roleblocker, then typically it will be on a town player n1 due to the threat of a cop. | ||
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On September 09 2014 01:59 Vivax wrote: If I assume Templar was killed for his reads, I get more or less to this: Kita, 3d, and? I'm gonna 180 on Damdred cause this guys comeback to the thread was pure shite. ##Unvote ##Vote 3d12 I still contend that poofer is the key to understanding 3d. Take a look and let me know what you find. I'm working on a large vote analysis post (though I'm still uncertain how useful it will be.) Stay tuned. | ||
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On September 09 2014 02:04 Vivax wrote: I must be terribly wrong somewhere if I'm alive D3 over Obi. lol I came to the exact conclusion. -_- | ||
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On September 09 2014 02:58 Damdred wrote: I'm interested in kits vote analysis, I have a tinfoil idea about poof but not sure. Anyway i'm not sure viv, poof always talked about wanting to pressure 3d or he did some. But he never seemed to actually pressure him. I'll likely reveal my thoughts after you. I'd like you to identify your top two scum reads and explain why. My read on you will be based upon that. Thanks. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:34 Vivax wrote: It's gg with mderg's modkill I think On September 09 2014 01:59 Vivax wrote: Kita, 3d, and? You keep referencing a 4 man scum team. Do you think that is most likely that case to make up for the missions? Blues also have missions and only certain mafia are mission mafia, so I would have thought a standard 10v3 or 9v3v1. | ||
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Scenario 1: Mafia poofter, kush, damdred Game State Prior to d2 lynch: poofter has been pushing a lynch onto his buddy kush late into the cycle. damdred has been defending kush all cycle. kush has very few strong reads towards the end of the cycle and his vote is dictated by being forced to choose between the alternative lynches of damdred and batsnacks. He is the first to point out that my case against batsnacks isn't great and shows a preference towards damdred. batsnacks is the preferred lynch, but all three mafia are satisfied with sitting back and allowing town to do their dirty work. A possible explanation of the d2 lynch based on the assumption that all three players are mafia. With 10 minutes remaining in the cycle, Damdred is MIA. We don't know if he is actually MIA or if he is waiting for the right time to throw down the vote on batsnacks, which he knows is going to look incredibly bad. I tend to think that he's actually at Arby's and not communicating with his team in this scenario. On September 07 2014 04:20 HaruRH wrote: kushm4sta (4): Damdred (1): batsnacks (4): Currently, kushm4sta is set to be lynched with 4 votes. At this point, kush thinks he is dead because Obi's vote is miscounted. He attempts to move votes over to Damdred, stating that he is dead if we try to lynch batsnacks. He also provided reasoning earlier, hinting at a damdred lynch preference. I point out that kush does not hold majority and he realizes that he can lynch batsnacks and survive. Damdred returns to the thread and votes batsnacks, followed by kush. They have enough votes for a mislynch. Town Obi moves from kush to Damdred. Deciding that he would rather lynch his scum buddy to save face for himself, rather than to risk too many votes moving off of batsnacks, kush also votes for damdred. Vivax also joins damdred. Damdred was safe up until this point, but now he has to cop claim to ensure his survival. He claims a green cop check on his buddy to ensure a batsnacks lynch. Now that the votes are there, kush takes this opportunity to switch back to batsnacks, using a poor justification. Meanwhile, poofter observes without taking any action. He has a mission to complete. It isn't clear if he is aware that he is about to fail. If he has given up on his mission, his sole goal all cycle has been to distance himself from kush and damdred, so he pushes both of their lynches all cycle. However, having two scum flip at once would be even worse. He decides not to move his vote from kush, even though there are only 2 people left on that wagon. He really wants batsnacks to be the lynch so he doesn't move to damdred to seal his fate. At the same time, he doesn't move his vote at the deadline even though he is about to die because he is too worried that damdred is going to get lynched and a vote on batsnacks would confirmed him as town. Alternatively, suppose Poofter is on track to complete his mission until the last minute shenanigans. His scum buddies kush and damdred would know what the mission is and do their best to make sure it doesn't fail. I'm struggling to find how this scenario makes sense with these three players. Perhaps mafia started with 4 players and poofter needed to lynch a scum buddy on day two to survive? That would explain the kush bus most of the cycle, however his decision not to vote Damdred at the end casts doubt upon this idea. Would he have preferred Damdred living over himself after that cop claim? I don't think so. Perhaps the lynch couldn't end in a tie and mafia messed up towards the end? Too much speculation here. Does this make sense? Well not really, in my opinion. This mafia team would need to be incredibly unorganized in this scenario, all pushing towards different goals. I know this is going to turn into a wall of text, but take a look at the quotes that I've put together below. + Show Spoiler + On September 05 2014 11:03 Tehpoofter wrote: Kush - He was in my bangs yesterday but he has fallen a great deal since then. I'm not getting the give a fuck attitude from you I see in a town!kush. You are going to have to give a lot of fucks soon. Kush run down for me your train of thought for today. I want to see your passion. Damdred - Oats made a really good point about Damdred's vote early on Micchan being completely over justified. He also has been someone who hasn't stuck out to me in any way. Him hoping on late looking abck on the votes looks really bad. Damdred can you tell me what your feelings are on 3d12/bunnies? On September 05 2014 12:17 Tehpoofter wrote: I think damdred/kush wagons might be best for today. On September 05 2014 12:53 Tehpoofter wrote: I'd vote kush/damdred/bunnies and 3d12 On September 05 2014 18:11 Tehpoofter wrote: Put [Kush] on the list with damdred and 3d12 and bunniies and thats the scumlist. On September 05 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote: Going home but before I do. I think kush/damdred are the best wagons for today. On September 05 2014 18:12 Tehpoofter wrote: Those voting batsnacks should switch to damdred or kush. These two need to be wagoned. On September 06 2014 09:21 Tehpoofter wrote: I like the people on the damdred wagon it looks pretty good to me. Kush wagon not bad either. On September 07 2014 04:12 Tehpoofter wrote: Previous post but I think also Kush is a better player than damdred I'd rather cut the head off the beast. I will not be shedding any tears if damdred gets lynch today at all. On September 07 2014 04:23 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm so much more confident in kush being mafia than batsnacks. The other wagon should be damdred not batsnacks imo On September 07 2014 04:26 Tehpoofter wrote: KUSH OR DAMDRED NEEDS TO DIE TODAY On September 07 2014 04:27 Tehpoofter wrote: yo people on bats need to pick a wagon kush > damdred > anyone else. On September 07 2014 04:30 Tehpoofter wrote: hahahaahahaha lynch damdred/kush any other this is like for sure a fake claim. I'm just struggling to think of a situation where the mafia team comes out of day two looking good with such a strong push to direct town towards these two players. What would be the big payoff here? By busing both damdred and kush, he would need to complete his mission and use the town cred to mislynch players on day three, four and five. Does poofter even need the town cred here? Plus, even if he flips kush or damdred, he still needs to find an excuse not to lynch the other on day three. All the town cred in the world doesn't matter if the cost is lynching your two buddies. Why is his priority to double bus, rather than push mafia objectives? Alternatively, he knows he is a dead man. The mafia need damdred and kush to come out looking like angels because the town leader poofter is flipping. However, with poofter knowing that he is about to die, why is he limiting town's options between his two buddies? Sure, maybe one of the two comes out looking pretty good, but does that mean a whole lot when it's something like 7v1? At the same time. you've got Damdred defending kush to his last breath linking the two together. You've got kush trying to move votes over to Damdred instead of batsnacks for the sake of putting distance between the two players, which indirectly triggers damdred having to fake claim cop in order to save himself. kush then immediately discards the distancing attempt to vote back with his buddy. Nobody comes out of the lynch looking town, yet poofter was the one to frame the lynch. Vivax, since you think this is the most likely scenario, you're going to need to help me understand what I'm misinterpreting here. Am I over-thinking things here, making this giant post pretty useless or does my argument have merit? Scenario 2: Mafia poofter, kush Town damdred Game state prior to d2 lynch. poofter has been pushing a lynch onto his buddy kush late into the cycle. damdred has a genuine town read on mafia kush. It his blinding his outlook on the entire game. kush has left his options open to either lynch batsnacks or damdred. Self-survival is his main goal. The lynch preference here is either damdred or batsnacks. A possible explanation of the d2 lynch based on the assumption that poofter and kush are mafia and damdred is town. On September 07 2014 04:20 HaruRH wrote: kushm4sta (4): Damdred (1): batsnacks (4): Currently, kushm4sta is set to be lynched with 4 votes. kush needs to find a way to wiggle himself out of a lynch. His buddy poofter is unwilling to move his vote since he is playing the role of late game townie scum. kush himself may have suggested the bus. Even though his reads lead him to preferring damdred, he recognizes batsnacks as his best chance for survival. Keep in mind that at this point, all scum players are either voting for kush or batsnacks. Looking at the vote count above, it still appears that he is 1 vote short. He decides to try his luck with Damdred as multiple people have left that option open. I inform him that he's not at majority, he moves back to batsnacks. Town obi votes for damdred, he moves back to damdred. This time Vivax joins him. Damdred shows up with the batsnacks vote and kush throws himself a party. The cop claim is icing on the cake. Since kush isn't a godfather (I assume), poofter and kush know it's a fake claim so they don't need to go all out to lynch the cop. On September 07 2014 04:28 HaruRH wrote: kushm4sta (3): Damdred (3): batsnacks (4): Here is the vote count 2 minutes before the lynch. The Obi vote is still incorrect. The correct count is actually kush 2, damdred 4, batsnacks 4, with batsnacks hitting critical mass first. Either way, if it is 3-3-4 or 2-4-4, kush won't be dying. It's either Damdred or batsnacks. On September 07 2014 04:29 kushm4sta wrote: ##unvote ##vote batsncaks self preservatoin Despite the fact that kush is safe, he moves back to batsnacks 1 last time, still claiming self-preservation. I move to damdred, and kush follows. In the end, with 3-4 votes on the other two town wagons, it doesn't matter where he votes. Does this make sense? It's possible. With the number of times that kush moves between batsnacks and damdred, it really does look like he only cares about himself. This would mean that poofter was pushing a lynch between his scum buddy and a town player. With 10 minutes before the lynch, it was 4 votes kush and 4 votes batsnacks. With poofter pushing his preference towards kush instead of damdred, is he happy with this scenario? I can't imagine he is, especially if he is about to die. I suppose he could have swapped his vote off kush at the last second if damdred never showed up to save the day, but that still leaves mafia in a sticky situation. If poofter lives and kush gets lynched, mafia is in a decent position, but not the ideal position. While this is possible, I'm not sure it is the most likely. Scenario 3: Mafia poofter, damdred Town kush Game state prior to d2 lynch. poofter has been pushing a kush mislynch, banking on the fact that most people consider himself, Vivax, and Oats to be town. damdred has been defending kush all cycle. He has limited his options early on by taking a firm stance and cannot join his scum buddy poofter. kush is struggling with deciding who to vote for. Again, his vote is dictated by choosing between the alternatives. kush or batsnacks is the preferred lynch since either will flip town. They just need to create a scenario where damdred doesn't hold majority, but it doesn't help that he is no where to be seen. Oats, bunnies, Vivax or 3d are doing their best to keep their vote off damdred for as long as possible. Oats and bunnies take the afk route, 3d goes batsnacks, Vivax holds on kush until the vote starts swinging the other way. A possible explanation of the d2 lynch based on the assumption that poofter and damdred are mafia and kush is town. On September 07 2014 04:20 HaruRH wrote: kushm4sta (4): Damdred (1): batsnacks (4): Currently, kushm4sta is set to be lynched with 4 votes. This is a great position for mafia. Only a single vote on Damdred with 10 minutes to go. Then things start to spiral out of control. Obi starts to develop a town read on kush and kush has been showing a preference for Damdred. He is forced to return to the thread and move his vote to the main lynch wagon. He can't vote kush because of prior statements, so he votes for his only choice batsnacks. The timing only served to hurt his position and mafia lost control of the lynch with obi, vivax, kush, and myself all serving as the deciding votes. poofter does not carry enough cred on his own and is about to die anyways. In an act of desperation, he claims cop to mislynch batsnacks. He knows he is dead at this point, but at least he gets lynched day 3 instead of day 2. By revealing a green check on kush, it might be enough for kush to be willing to switch over to batsnacks. Meanwhile, poofter decides to remain on kush. He knows kush is unlikely to get lynched and really wants batsnacks to die over damdred. He doesn't actually vote damdred, to give him a chance, but also doesn't vote batsnacks because he figures damdred is already dead and it would confirm batsnacks as town when both mafia flip. Does this make sense? Mafia was content with the status quo up until things began to fall apart. batsnacks and kush were legitimate town wagons. They positioned themselves nicely to make sure the votes were split between the two evenly and then dropped off the face of the earth to make sure it stayed that way. There is no reason to stir up the pot here. poofter is able to push the kush mislynch, while still distancing himself from his buddy damdred. He knows that damdred isn't going to be surviving at endgame, so the goal would be to delay his lynch, not prevent it. When most of the townies became active at the end of the cycle and seize control, the cop claim was a sign that they didn't have the numbers to save Damdred. He did end up living by pure luck, but poofter may have died by accident as a result. Scenario 4: Mafia poofter Town kush and damdred Oh geeze, I don't even know if I want to think about this type of scenario. Was day one and two that much of a train-wreck? It likely means that we're dealing with something like a bunnies and Oats scum team. Oats has posted an extremely limited amount of content and I conclude that bunnies is likely mafia below. I recall bunnies having a scum read on Oats all game, but never pushing it. I need someone else to look into this scenario and tell me if this is possible. A look at poofter The first thing that I'm interested in is seeing how he interacts with his scum buddies in a typical scum game. There is going to be variance from game to game, but there is a decent sample size here so I want to see if I can pick up on any tendencies. -Cell Mini Mafia- Buddies: Cephiro, LSB, Palmar, and Steveling Game ended d2, so not a ton to go by here. There was a relatively low amount of interaction with his buddies. He is willing to pick out posts from a scum LSB and explain why that makes him town. He misdirects his suspicion of Steveling by stating that other players look worse. At no point did he consider pushing a mafia player for lynch. You Only Shoot Once Mafia Buddies: gumshoe, Oatsmaster, Ace, Blazinghand, austinmcc, VayneAuthority In his initial list post for his buddies, he lists only 1 buddy as mafia with several town reads on others, including a very strong town read on austin. He buses Oats relatively hard early on in the game, along with some of his buddies. Oats eventually gets lynched as a result. On one point, he makes a list of his scum suspects and three out of the five are town, yet he votes one of the town players as his preference. Later on in the game, he initiates full bus mode, voting for his only remaining allies. They proceed to get lynched down the line. Out of his six buddies, he voted for 5 of them at certain points in the game. -Cell Mini Mafia II- Buddies: 27ninjabunnies, thrawn/IAmRobik, Shaiopi/OdinOfPergo, and slOosh There is a high interaction with his buddies. At times, it seems like he goes out of his way to question them for their opinions. When he provided his list post on his buddies, the only buddy that he throws under the bus is a someone with a low post count. He never goes after them hard. All three cycles, he pushed the mislynches. There is the mention of considering a bus, leaving sloosh as the endgame saint. -World Cup Mini Mafia- Buddies: Cav and Rainbows There is a high amount of interaction between himself and his buddies throughout the game. He repedidly makes an effort in the thread to convince his scum buddy Rainbows that he is town. He calls Rainbow scum numerous times, but not until after day one. Whenever he brings it up it's always in a group of 2-3 players. Cav may be a bad example to look at because the early PR claim may warrant different behavior, however in the end he made a relatively risky move and hard defended cav as town, leading to a poofter and cav lynch. Rainbows was the teams endgame player. Things I take away: 1) When sharing a scum read on his buddy, he will often do it in the form of "1 out of these 3 players is mafia". When given the opportunity to push one of these players, he tends to choose the townie. 2) Scum to scum interaction is above average from what I can tell. He isn't the type of player that pretends his buddies don't exist and only responds to town players. 3) He is not afraid to grant a buddy "confirmed town" status. 4) Busing is in his arsenal, but not necessarily the go-to option. I share my thoughts on #1 below. For #2, he interacts with nearly all players this game. At one point, he states that he wants to interact with oats because he hasn't had a chance to do it this game. That seemed a bit unnatural I suppose. I'm not entirely concerned about #3 as I'm sticking with a town read on Vivax, despite the strongest town read. #4 leaves open most of the scenarios above. The poofter-bunnies interaction On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote: 3d12 - Your apologetic tone I disagree with batsnacks that it is mainly a townie view point. You agreeing with Damdred felt like an attempt at buddying as well which I don't care for. I understand your new but I haven't gotten the newbie town vibe from you. Also the association with Templar is scummy to me as I pointed out above. On September 03 2014 11:51 Tehpoofter wrote: I agree with your Bunnies read. I'm not too excited on how she talks about 3d parties and stuff wanting to kill them more than mafia as I think Oats pointed out. On September 05 2014 11:03 Tehpoofter wrote: 27nb - I am NOT getting bunnies town game this time around. She is not posting in the large flourishes and detail she normally does. She also is very agreeable and was right on Templar showing up good on her reads not saying she can't be right but if she continues to be too right I think this could be a situation like I spoke with bats about earlier. I have her down to #3 frankly because I didn't die in the night and I think she would have been someone to push for my kill. Bunnies can you tell me your thoughts on Kush? On September 05 2014 12:53 Tehpoofter wrote: I want like 4 votes today. I'd vote kush/damdred/bunnies and 3d12 On September 06 2014 09:21 Tehpoofter wrote: I really wish I had about 4 different votes. I'd be on kush/damdred/3d/bunnies. On September 07 2014 04:23 Tehpoofter wrote: Batsnacks wagon: Bunnies (scummy inactive) kitaman (townie) 3d12 (townie) kush (scummy) If we're looking for a player who poofter is repedidly suspicious of, but never actually pushes for a lynch, then bunnies is the the best fit. From start to finish, poofter finds her behavior suspicious. However, there is always someone else that he is going after. On day one, it's the M guy (sorry, I still forget your name, but that's more your fault than mine). On day two, he is too busy pressuring 3d and then swaps to the kush/damdred push. There is actually a fair amount of interaction between the two players, but it is always casually asking for reads and opinions. When you play a high volume of games with a certain player, you start to really get a good understanding of how they player. Typically, they are the player that you're more willing to focus on because you can draw on the experience of past games. On September 05 2014 13:31 27ninjabunnies wrote: Kita/Poof you are wrong on me. If you can't see this is my town game, then you can't read me at all. This post in particular draws my attention. What better person to read her than poofter? Yet when she accuses poofter as being incapable of doing so, she doesn't find this suspicious. Throughout the game, her reads have been wrong. I've had my fair share of incorrect reads this game, but at least I'm trying to solve things. Bunnies has been really busy, but you have to go by what she has posted. As I mentioned earlier, she stated that she was "finding mafia", but that really wasn't the case at the time. The poofter-3d interaction + Show Spoiler + On September 05 2014 10:19 Tehpoofter wrote: I agree on bigger fish to fry. I don't think hes not worth running up to see how he and others react to the pressure. ##Vote 3d12 On September 05 2014 11:04 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm using a pressure cooker. On September 05 2014 11:08 Tehpoofter wrote: I really want to see what happens with some pressure on 3d12 as well. On September 05 2014 11:46 Tehpoofter wrote: Curiously who is scum reading 3d12 right now aside from myself? I feel like its odd so many people are coming out to defend him maybe I'm just super wrong but him not getting any pressure I think is bad for town. On September 05 2014 12:17 Tehpoofter wrote: I wanted to pressure 3d12 but that might need to wait. On September 06 2014 09:21 Tehpoofter wrote: It bugs me my pressure on 3d12 was ignored maybe I'm just missing something. On September 06 2014 09:26 Tehpoofter wrote: ##Vote 3d12 Hai I think you're mafia. How do you plead? On September 06 2014 10:20 Tehpoofter wrote: I'd like to see from 3d12 where his heads at. If he convinces me then I'm okay moving off but if not I'm going to pressure someone I think is scummy. On September 06 2014 10:40 Tehpoofter wrote: Will you pressure 3d12 with me before then This honestly has to be the strangest part of the game. You've got 3d, a player that multiple players are sharing strong town reads on and you have poofter spending a large amount of day two trying to "pressure" him. Look at the sheer number of times he mentions "pressure" and 3d in the same sentence. The question to ask here is whether he: A) Trying to push a mislynch on a newbie 3d B) Trying to pretend to be pushing town objectives C) Trying to get players to vote for 3d to fufill some type of mission requirement D) Trying to put distance between himself and his buddy I've having a hard time believing that poofter actually thinks he can pull off a 3d lynch at any point this game. The "pressure" that he is actually generating is near non-existent. Right now I'm leaning between B and C. At some point in the game, you have to trust somebody. I'm going to be putting my trust into Vivax and 3d. If you've fooled me, then well played. I can't imagine a scenario where I would lynch one of you two over the four other remaining players. Earlier, when I unvoted Damdred, I was mostly interested in getting him to share his thoughts about who we would lynch. If it was a 6-1 vote, I figured that he would shut down and give us nothing. As much as a really tried to evaluate the alternatives and give you a shot to prove that you were town, I still came to the conclusion that scenario 3 was the most likely. I read your posts since the ultimatum and really you were only able to come up with a couple quotes from 3d. The followup is missing and so is the second mafia read. The cycle is 3/4th of the way over already so that's really not enough to change my mind. Fake claiming cop is one of the mafia deadly sins since you either need make sure it pays off or you not only bring down yourself, you bring down another player with you. tl;dnr: If anyone replies tl;dnr, then I policy lynch you -_- For all the time that I spent on this, I really didn't come to all the conclusions I was hoping. I can't imagine myself doing something like this any time soon. Sorry for any long rambling section or typos. I don't have the time to go back and edit things. I don't think poofter, kush, and damdred all being mafia together makes sense. Out of the three scenarios, a mafia damdred makes the most sense to me. bunnies doesn't look good based on poofter's filter, but neither does oats. poofter//damdred//bunnies or poofter//damdred//oats seems like the most likely trio to me. Even though this post hasn't solved the game, maybe it will help another townie pick up on something that didn't see initially. Let me know what you guys think. If you're looking for homework, here are a few things to look at. I really can't afford to spend much more time on this game anymore. -Is scenario A, B, C, or D most likely. Are there any that we can eliminate? Is poofter//bunnies//oats something we should worry about? -Can you find an example of kush in any previous game seemingly caring so much about his personal survival? Was he town or mafia in that game? -Where should Oats be placed in the lynch priority list? 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I pulled a couple quotes that could potentially be a bit off. On September 03 2014 11:38 Damdred wrote: Bunnies: Bunnies is a bit odd to me, a lot of her early filter is a lot of trolling with fluff thrown in. Suddenly she town reads templar and poof and gives little reason for it. Even goes far enough to meta read poof and giving him a town pass for not very good reasons. Damdred is attacking bunnies for her meta read on poof. Potentially a case of too much information? On September 04 2014 07:42 Tehpoofter wrote: Oats are you going to be around I haven't really gotten to interact with you but I want to see where your head is it. On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote: I would love to hear more of what you have to say about my Micchan case and get some interactions with you. These posts sound really unnatural. Is poofter going out of his way to talk with a scum buddy in the thread or is it just coming up weird to me because poofter just cares about looking townie to others? | ||
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On September 10 2014 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote: because I DONT KNOW WHICH ONE AND I DOUBT ITS BOTH BUT IT COULD BE BUT I DONT KNOW. WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT YOU ARE SCUM. So Vivax and I swapped from batsnacks to damdred, with poofter also dying for town cred? We were going to solo the game the next 3-4 cycles? | ||
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On September 10 2014 02:51 3d12 wrote: I followed up on my batsnacks hunch, but I can't see anything in his filter that reveals who he checked. The most likely option is kush or Oats, since those two are the only ones he wasn't accusing/questioning on D2, but it's inconclusive. The only conclusive part of what I found is that batsnacks definitely didn't check mafia. His questioning and lack of decisiveness near the end of D2 tells me he was still trying to figure it out. Shame it couldn't have been that easy, if he'd just wagoned one person on D2 it would be an easy lynch target today. batsnacks was a rolecop anyways. Even if he checked a mafia, I assume it wouldn't be conclusive. On September 10 2014 02:51 3d12 wrote: Also kita, I skimmed your long post and plan to re-read it in more detail later, so forgive me if this is already answered in the post: What is your likelihood of a 27nb/kush/Damdred/poofter team? Personally, those are my reads, since 27nb and poofter buddied pretty closely at the start and without knowing whether or not poofter knew he was going to fail his mission, I have to assume he knew and left his vote on a scumbuddy to cast him in a good light. This also aligns with the fake claim from Damdred and kush's reluctance to lynch him for it, but that would mean the mafia is running a 2-protect-2 strategy, which is risky in itself. Without getting too far into WIFOM though, I think it's a safe assumption that poofter knew he would fail his mission. Whether or not the other mafia did, your guess is as good as mine. Thirteen player setups typically only have three mafia players. For there to be a forth mafia, the missions would need to be difficult enough that at least one mafia is guaranteed to die that way. The problem with four mafia is that your at 7v4 on d2 and 5v4 on d3, which is rather harsh even with a mafia flipping due to a failed issue. The fact that our blue roles have to complete missions to be effective as well makes me assume there are only three, but without knowing the mafia mission details, that would only be speculation. | ||
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On September 10 2014 02:49 Vivax wrote: what do you think explains best that we're still alive? Well I'm alive either to prevent you from being insta-lynched or because I'm terrible. Possibly a mixture of both | ||
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On September 10 2014 03:48 Vivax wrote: His scumread on Poofter from D1 basically vanished, and so does he after short posting bursts. He leaves a lot of stuff adressed at him unanswered and I didn't like that. Plus it would be weird for me to be still alive after scumreading kush and Dam, if they were scum. ##Vote 3d12 If you're going based on the night kill, this was the last thing stated by obi in regards to 3d: On September 05 2014 10:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I didn't really switch my read on 3d12. I haven't actually read him since EoD. And I'm probably not going to for a while. I don't think he's on the lynch table as of right now because there are far bigger players roaming around right now. | ||
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On September 08 2014 22:37 Vivax wrote: No, today I'm lynching Damdred. I'm not repeating the mistake of wanting to get every mafia at once. That guy isn't town. No way ever. He fakeclaime after a terrible comeback to the thread and deserves to die, no matter if he excuses with wanting to save kush which is a ludicrous statement to make when you can't be sure about alignments. Fakeclaim a green check to save a townread? No way ever. At the start of the day when I asked that you consider all the options, you posted this and even went as far as to call me almost certainly mafia, now you're voting with him? What has damdred done today that changed your mind? | ||
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On September 10 2014 03:59 Vivax wrote: He played the game properly as opposed to 27nb and 3d12. I'm begrudged about these two cause they only did the bare minimum and constantly bring up real life shit. Heh M guy, mderg, bunnies, 3d all afk team. On September 10 2014 03:59 Vivax wrote: I'm more on the emotional side on this vote. What do you care, kita?We could have had a Damdred lynch yesterday, but you went for bats. And you went for kush -_- | ||
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On September 10 2014 04:03 Damdred wrote: Kit, I hate to bring this argument up. But you concluded I think (correct me if i'm wrong) that it was town kush in the lynch vs town bats. Why would scum damdred come down from lurking only to bring super heavy pressure down, wouldn't it be smarter to jsut let two townies be lynched in the last minute? Or fight for the lynch between them rather. Heh probably. Lets blame your wife for allowing you to post instead of enjoying a juicy roast beef sandwhich. | ||
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I'm a Mission Vigilante and I had to make a post with at least 25000 characters (I think the Go Bills put me over the top). I would have tried for it earlier but I didn't have the top. I'll likely just shoot one of the 3 who never showed up today | ||
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Also, it's probably pretty likely that the mafia team lacked communication leading up to the lynch on day two. Sure, Damdred could be lying about not being around until the very end, but if I had to guess, they were probably all doing their own thing at the end. | ||
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On September 10 2014 10:01 Oatsmaster wrote: So does scum damdred fake claim to save town kush? When he cop claimed kush only had 2 votes on him. He cop claimed to save himself. | ||
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On September 11 2014 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Inclined to think the latter reason just for the constant newbie claims. Well two of the "newbie claims" were pre-game before he received his alignment. The other two were 9 days ago right at the start of the game. Are there other examples that I'm missing or is your read that outdated? | ||
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On September 11 2014 01:58 3d12 wrote: You absolutely should. Anyone who uses "double swag" unironically deserves a hard time in my book. No but for reals, what are you referring to? His grudge against the afk? The fact that he wanted to lynch you instead of damdred, but he didn't have the votes. Is that scummy, a momentary lapse of judgement, or was he right? (Well I'm guessing you're not going to pick #3) | ||
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On September 11 2014 03:49 ritoky wrote: the first post isn't updated, can i get a list of the people who are still alive; would really help as i am reading through this. kitaman27 Oatsmaster Vivax kushm4sta ritoky 3d12 Micchan town doctor lynched d1 The_Templar town killed n1 batsnacks lynched (but not really), lynched d2 poofter mission mafia killed d2 mderg town modkilled d2 obi town killed n2 damdred roleblocker lynched d3 | ||
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On September 11 2014 03:45 Vivax wrote: Kita rubs me super the wrong way after subtly leading you to question my alignment with those questions. Or maybe I actually want to know what 3d thinks/what 3d wants me to think? I'm rereading damdred right now, I'll post thoughts at deadline, but probably not before then. | ||
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On September 11 2014 03:54 ritoky wrote: why would he shoot at me, aren't i like confirmed town? damdred voted on the former me; do you think mafia would be stupid enough to leave such an easy trail to follow? Are you sure you read this game? | ||
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I'm still fairly town on Vivax. A lot of his interactions with Damdred seem as if damdred is talking to him, rather than with him. If we're at some type of 2v1 scenario and we're both alive, I'd reread him from start to finish, but I doubt I would tomorrow. I want to believe 3d is town. I'd probably base it on posts he has made earlier in the game. I don't put a ton of stock into the fact that damdred went after him as a dead man walking. I need to re-evaluate kush since I've spent most of my time last cycle looking at poofter and damdred. One of the reasons I was supicious of damdred is that he pointed out the fact that bunnies gave a strong meta read on poofter for weak reasons early on in the game. My gut reaction was that he couldn't resist calling out the bad read, rather than trying to paint his buddy in a bad light if poofer ever flipped, but I still need to look into this further if I live. I wouldn't be shocked if oats were mafia. | ||
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On September 11 2014 06:48 Vivax wrote: You've either become a yoga guru that never lashes out at people when he feels like (and when he thinks they're scum) or you've rolled scum yourself. And it wouldn't be possible if it weren't for my wise instructor batsnacks. Perhaps you can find enlightenment for yourself through his teachings. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=9#166 | ||
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On September 17 2014 07:24 Damdred wrote: Btw poofs mission was....You have to kill kush this day yo survive and I didn't realize till after my claim That seems really harsh for a 10v3 game....assuming kush was town? | ||
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I can understand that mistakes happen and that batsnacks was accidentally lynched, but why wasn't damdred flipped after realizing that he was actually lynched? Forcing town to waste a lynch on day three only compounded the mistake, since an extra townie ended up getting shot during the night cycle, that never should have existed. If you include mderg getting modkilled rather than replaced, that's three townies that flipped during the second cycle instead of a mafia, which was a game changing swing. Also, it left me paranoid all day three wondering if the reason he wasn't flipped was because it would cause an endgame -_- | ||
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On September 17 2014 13:05 Damdred wrote: I don't think i was actually lynched, I was watching the votes+timing on the time counter and the vast majority of the votes did not move until after the 0:0 mark. It was confusing because the timing of the day end changed it felt like, but I was just going with what the hosts had in their posts The final count should have been 6 damdred and 2 batsnacks/kush since the deadline votes should have counted per the OP, which I believe was the part that was misinterpreted originally. On January 09 2012 12:02 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not quite sure where this should be discussed, but one problem I've noticed over the course of the last few games is that different hosts have different policies when dealing with deadline actions. For example, if the deadline were 9:00, some allow players to submit actions and count votes at exactly 9:00, while others only allow them at 8:59, but no later. In the most recent game, people were announcing their vig shots, thinking the deadline had been reached, when in reality, the scum team could respond and change their roleblock if they were quick enough. I think if we had a consistent deadline policy for all hosts, we won't have to worry about running into any problems in the future. I actually jumped in my time machine and went back a couple years to make a request to have voting work this way, but I guess I can't escape fate | ||
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On September 17 2014 12:12 3d12 wrote: Also, just want to repost something from the mafia QT that you may or may not have noticed: If you take a look at the D2 vote count, if Oatsmaster had made a last-minute switch to Damdred instead, town might have killed all mafia at once. Damdred due to lynch, Poof and me to failed missions. Gotta give credit though, the hosts were trying to balance the missions somewhat, since my mission for D2 was basically the same as Poof's, except without the 1h limitation on vote change. Wait, so is Obi right? Town killed all 3 mafia players on day two and the hosts decided not to enforce the rules because it would end the game immediately? That would have been a pretty boring way to end....but you can't go changing the rules mid-game because of a flaw in the setup :/ | ||
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For example, that one time towards the end of the game, I gave 3d a leading question about your d3 actions, wondering if he would bite on a small detail that could be interpreted as scummy, while failing to acknowledge the content of the rest of your filter. He gave a pretty questionable response, yet you started attacking me for the leading question and I got caught up in an argument with my strongest town read, while completely forgetting about the purpose of the question in the process. Was there anything in particular I could have done to make you feel better about me early on? | ||
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