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kitaman27
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kitaman27
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Hmm, the only thing that I can think of for a mafia "mission" is something along the lines of, player X must receive at least # votes or player Y must be convinced to vote for player Z. Or maybe identify the player with role Z. Mafia dying if they fail these seems is pretty harsh, so I think we should pay extra attention of players voting certain ways without explanation after the 24 hour mark. I'd also be less willing to believe cop checks for the sake of mafia needing to use a fake one to complete their mission, but I guess it's too early to worry about something like that. | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 02 2014 05:12 mderg wrote: IMO proper reads > catching people on missions True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system. For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission. Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something. | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 02 2014 08:54 Damdred wrote: If I may draw your attention to Guilty mafia that just completed, we swung the vote in the last 30 seconds almost to lynch mafia day one. If we get stuck to much in the mindset that we have to find the mission and break it, or piling on votes to one wagon (which i think is what was discussed) is a good idea. It really is not today, or any day. We really need at least two wagons going just so we have another option and we can see peoples voting patterns take form after day1,2,3 etc.. Well that idea would be that the day cycle would be like any other game, except 47 hours instead of 48 hours. You still would have 2 wagons and voting analysis could still be done since the player with the most votes after 47 hours would be lynched. The only difference would be that everyone moves to that player in the last hour. On second thought, people aren't really reliable enough to be around and now that the day is a few hours old, its not really worth discussing policy like that which isn't incredibly important so I say we should probably just drop the idea. Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts. batsnacks is around, but has chosen not to post so I wouldn't mind a couple of votes on him. Micchan is a reasonable alternative if he doesn't have anything to say either. On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.  I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there. | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 02 2014 10:42 Vivax wrote: Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more. It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned. Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack? | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 02 2014 11:11 kushm4sta wrote: Long nonsense post - possibly satisfying a mission. (templar also did a super long shitty post hmm) Does "hmm" imply that you honestly think that templar's long post was mission related? I don't see the relevance. | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 02 2014 11:14 kushm4sta wrote: Day 1 scum mission - make a post with a bazillion words in it And how would the mafia team every fail the mission? There is no challenge here... | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote: That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same. So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"? meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again. | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:30 Vivax wrote: You didn't seem displeased, you gave us a reason for you to not pursue it further. If you were displeased I'd expect you to be more confrontational than that, where you give yourself a reason to ignore it. Why bring it up at all if it's of no relevance for you afterwards? That's what I also don't understand from a town pov. I'd expect you to mention things you find worthwhile mentioning and if you mention that but don't apply it at all to your templar read cause apparently it doesn't say enough for you then it just looks like an issue you would find scummy usually, but here you play it down. Well I found 3d12 and batsnacks more scummy and mentioned that in the exact same post. Templar was kinda scummy, but not a huge deal to me if it was a one time thing, as I stated. | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 02 2014 08:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, I'd really like to point out that this isn't the game to be posting stupid gifs/random useless shit. Is Obi typically a player who enforces a non-nonsense policy from the start of the game as town? I'll probably check myself at some point, but going to bed now. On September 02 2014 08:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I actually really want to kill batsnacks for posting his wall because I really can't see any kind of town/goofy reason for him to put it up there unless the host made him. If you can't see any reason for him to post that as town, it makes me wonder why you don't consider the possibility that he could just be trolly posting. I'm not saying that's the most likely explanation, but that post doesn't make him guilty in my opinion. His lack of response when questioned about the templar vote is the bigger deal. | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 02 2014 11:48 The_Templar wrote: So, if I repeatedly summarize my thoughts on how the thread has developed, I must be scum. Got it. If you repeatedly do it in a catch up, disconnected way, then yes probably. | ||
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On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. How do you feel about obi and poofter so far? | ||
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On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote: How do you feel about obi and poofter so far? Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.[/quote] On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in. ##vote 27nb So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me. | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote: So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me. EBWOP | ||
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kitaman27
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On September 03 2014 02:17 The_Templar wrote: I don't like these sort of questions because they can be used as a two-way tool depending on the answer. On September 03 2014 02:17 The_Templar wrote: Another (more so) two-way post. He hasn't said a word about poofter so far, particularly. The reason I asked that was because 3d gave bat a town read for his "provocative" random vote so I brought up the two other players who did the same thing, wondering if he would use the same reasoning, which doesn't seem to be the case. I don't see how you find me suspicious for trying to figure things like that out. | ||
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On September 03 2014 02:28 Micchan wrote: Ok here whatever Im srry 3d i highly suspect ing u after backtracking...ur obviously trying to divert attention rn... Could you elaborate about what he is diverting attention from? | ||
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kitaman27
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Mostly Townish Tehpoofter - Wouldn't look into on day one due to activity. Generally agreeable. Vivax is an incredibly lazy scum from my experience, which isn't on par from what we've seen so far, which makes me lean town. He did pick up a spot where templar seemed to change opinions about myself, which shows he is reading. Wouldn't lynch. mderg - This is kinda silly but I'm leaning town due to "I thought a bit about how to deal with missions". The mafia team obviously wouldn't think about how to deal with the missions. It's always possible that he is mafia pretending to think about them to throw us off, but I'm not leaning that way right now. Damdred - "I really like the idea of trying to break the mafias mission as we go towards the Eo" This quote shows interest in generating a plan, which is generally townie thing to say. Again, probably a silly thing to make a read off of, but he would have to look pretty bad the second half of the day to consider lynching. batsnacks - "I don't know who are mafia yet" is generally something a townie will say earlier on in my opinion. Need more content. The_Templar - Townie....I think. obi does seem just as....blunt I suppose I'm look for....in the past games that I looked through as both alignments. I don't have a great feel one way or the other here. Scummyish oats is flying under the radar, which I associate with the last time he was scum that we played together. Effort seems suspect based on mentioning how he can't remember certain details multiple times. His posts make me think he has read the last 3-5 posts in the thread, picked one of them to reply to and moved on. kush is someone I usually think is scum. Whenever I look through his past games, as soon as I think I've found a pattern, he flips the opposite alignment and I need to throw the idea out the window. His speculation about templar having to post a "long post" as a mission was really poor and I don't see that as something a town player sees as likely so I have him closer to mafia than town right now, but I'd probably want to hear more opinions from others about his overall play so far. Micchan is definitely the low hanging fruit of the cycle. Typically I like pushing these types of lynches just as much as mafia do. I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where he would be helpful on day three. The comment about 3d diverting attention seems sensationalized to me. His other post is a complaint without doing anything and a unnecessary defense. I might put myself in a bad spot if he flips green, but he may be my preferred lynch right now. I want to reread 3d since there were a bunch of things he said that rubbed me the wrong way, but I want to avoid the confirmation bias. I've ignored bunnies for the most part so I will reread her as well. I remember that she was commenting about a few things way past it being relevant, but that's about it. | ||
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