On September 02 2014 08:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Templar, all of your scumreads are incredibly superficial. Just throwing that out there.
That's because the entire game is superficial so far.
I read your giant post. Do you really feel with the game being so superficial atm that you can give that many reads confidently? I personally have 1 read on ninjabunnies whom I'm voting and I think her response was scummy but honestly its so early I have about 20% confidence in it actually being correct.
So my question is why would you out so many reads early in a game you see as being superficial yourself?
These are my initial thoughts and I am just documenting them; I really don't think those three are red, and two is unlikely, but I am definitely leaning towards one of them being red.
I don't think I expressed confidence in any of my opinions yet because, as I clarified later, these stages don't really matter. I happened to have a bit of extra time so I elaborated and responded to most of the posts that had popped up in this thread, partly because I thought some of them were very strange.
Fair enough on the elaboration but your post looked like it would normally be made at the later stage of the day 1 or 2. Not something mere 2-3 hours into day 1. I don't really feel like any substantial could have come out of the first couple hours their reads wise and as any setup talk is purely neutral.
Well, I felt the need to at least start doing something now. I have classes for most of tomorrow and while I will still be keeping up with the thread as much as I can, I will not have much time until tuesday night.
I don't think the post was bad. Premature maybe. (this is directed at the above batsnacks vote post)
Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more.
It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned.
Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack?
3d12 for his awkward entrance so far.
I would like to discuss Templars post more though. Let's say you need to appear like contributing, that post is one thing I would see scum starting with. They go through the thread commenting on various issues (instead of just thinking them through and getting straight to the point of what they find scummy without having to list a load of posts), when they're done, they look at what they commented on and base their entire read narrative off it.
That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same.
On September 02 2014 11:09 kushm4sta wrote: let's refer to tehpoofter as fucktard. that way we break any mission where scum has to say tehpoofter a certain number of times.
Tehpoofter is town Tehpoofter is Amazing Tehpoofter Tehpoofter Tehpoofter Tehpoofter
On September 02 2014 08:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Templar, all of your scumreads are incredibly superficial. Just throwing that out there.
That's because the entire game is superficial so far.
I read your giant post. Do you really feel with the game being so superficial atm that you can give that many reads confidently? I personally have 1 read on ninjabunnies whom I'm voting and I think her response was scummy but honestly its so early I have about 20% confidence in it actually being correct.
So my question is why would you out so many reads early in a game you see as being superficial yourself?
These are my initial thoughts and I am just documenting them; I really don't think those three are red, and two is unlikely, but I am definitely leaning towards one of them being red.
I don't think I expressed confidence in any of my opinions yet because, as I clarified later, these stages don't really matter. I happened to have a bit of extra time so I elaborated and responded to most of the posts that had popped up in this thread, partly because I thought some of them were very strange.
Fair enough on the elaboration but your post looked like it would normally be made at the later stage of the day 1 or 2. Not something mere 2-3 hours into day 1. I don't really feel like any substantial could have come out of the first couple hours their reads wise and as any setup talk is purely neutral.
Well, I felt the need to at least start doing something now. I have classes for most of tomorrow and while I will still be keeping up with the thread as much as I can, I will not have much time until tuesday night.
I don't think the post was bad. Premature maybe. (this is directed at the above batsnacks vote post)
I can see that a little bit. What did you think of bunnies reaction to my initially troll voting her?
On September 02 2014 08:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Templar, all of your scumreads are incredibly superficial. Just throwing that out there.
That's because the entire game is superficial so far.
I read your giant post. Do you really feel with the game being so superficial atm that you can give that many reads confidently? I personally have 1 read on ninjabunnies whom I'm voting and I think her response was scummy but honestly its so early I have about 20% confidence in it actually being correct.
So my question is why would you out so many reads early in a game you see as being superficial yourself?
These are my initial thoughts and I am just documenting them; I really don't think those three are red, and two is unlikely, but I am definitely leaning towards one of them being red.
I don't think I expressed confidence in any of my opinions yet because, as I clarified later, these stages don't really matter. I happened to have a bit of extra time so I elaborated and responded to most of the posts that had popped up in this thread, partly because I thought some of them were very strange.
Fair enough on the elaboration but your post looked like it would normally be made at the later stage of the day 1 or 2. Not something mere 2-3 hours into day 1. I don't really feel like any substantial could have come out of the first couple hours their reads wise and as any setup talk is purely neutral.
Well, I felt the need to at least start doing something now. I have classes for most of tomorrow and while I will still be keeping up with the thread as much as I can, I will not have much time until tuesday night.
I don't think the post was bad. Premature maybe. (this is directed at the above batsnacks vote post)
I can see that a little bit. What did you think of bunnies reaction to my initially troll voting her?
As I said in my long post of length (hereby referred to as LPOL) earlier, I found bunny's reaction over-the-top, which seemed odd.
On September 02 2014 11:17 kushm4sta wrote: vivax there is no congruence. 3d is fine templar is not super scummy kita "pushing stuff under the rug"... okkkk nice conspiracy theory
batsnacks needs some plynching.
That's not the reason I even found kita suspicious initially. Me pushing that notion comes from the fact that I found him suspicious just for his entrance, so what you mention is a consequence and not a cause.
On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote: That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same.
So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"?
meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again.
On September 02 2014 11:17 kushm4sta wrote: vivax there is no congruence. 3d is fine templar is not super scummy kita "pushing stuff under the rug"... okkkk nice conspiracy theory
batsnacks needs some plynching.
That's not the reason I even found kita suspicious initially. Me pushing that notion comes from the fact that I found him suspicious just for his entrance, so what you mention is a consequence and not a cause.
Also found kita suspicious for a different reason.
On September 02 2014 05:12 mderg wrote: IMO proper reads > catching people on missions
True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system.
For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission.
Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something.
I found this post suspicious personally, as it involves a convoluted process for something that is both very traceable and probably unnecessary to prevent (it could be the other way around, get X players to vote the same person), and he didn't justify this post either, instead pushing my post (which questioned his post, if anyone bothered to read it). This is the only related post he has made since then:
On September 02 2014 08:54 Damdred wrote: If I may draw your attention to Guilty mafia that just completed, we swung the vote in the last 30 seconds almost to lynch mafia day one. If we get stuck to much in the mindset that we have to find the mission and break it, or piling on votes to one wagon (which i think is what was discussed) is a good idea. It really is not today, or any day. We really need at least two wagons going just so we have another option and we can see peoples voting patterns take form after day1,2,3 etc..
Well that idea would be that the day cycle would be like any other game, except 47 hours instead of 48 hours. You still would have 2 wagons and voting analysis could still be done since the player with the most votes after 47 hours would be lynched. The only difference would be that everyone moves to that player in the last hour. On second thought, people aren't really reliable enough to be around and now that the day is a few hours old, its not really worth discussing policy like that which isn't incredibly important so I say we should probably just drop the idea.
Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
batsnacks is around, but has chosen not to post so I wouldn't mind a couple of votes on him. Micchan is a reasonable alternative if he doesn't have anything to say either.
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there.
We're not all necessarily here an hour before or even at EOD (although I will be every time, sometimes only half an hour before though). So this process seems very messy, and I don't like it at all. Therefore, I would like some justification on why this is actually necessary.
On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote: That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same.
So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"?
meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again.
You didn't seem displeased, you gave us a reason for you to not pursue it further. If you were displeased I'd expect you to be more confrontational than that, where you give yourself a reason to ignore it.
Why bring it up at all if it's of no relevance for you afterwards? That's what I also don't understand from a town pov. I'd expect you to mention things you find worthwhile mentioning and if you mention that but don't apply it at all to your templar read cause apparently it doesn't say enough for you then it just looks like an issue you would find scummy usually, but here you play it down.
@Templar, if you read my earlier post I did say to drop it for that exact reason. I don't feel that setup speculation is worth talking about anymore. It was fine at the start to get input from guys like Damdred who had a fairly town reaction, but that was mostly a conversation starter.