[Important] New TL Mafia Behavior Rules - Page 16

On May 30 2014 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But there is no change in anything except for what i just said, is there?

On May 30 2014 05:08 Palmar wrote:
We should all be in politics.

On May 30 2014 05:17 Blazinghand wrote:


We ARE a forum full of people who like to hang out and argue.

On May 30 2014 05:26 Erandorr wrote:


Yes but ideally we would be discussing on this forum and trying to get a consensus that leads results. We are like the corrupt parliament that lost track of what is important and runs around in circles

On May 30 2014 05:08 Palmar wrote:
We should all be in politics.

On May 30 2014 05:26 Erandorr wrote:


Yes but ideally we would be discussing on this forum and trying to get a consensus that leads results. We are like the corrupt parliament that lost track of what is important and runs around in circles

On May 30 2014 05:30 Erandorr wrote:
Also its adorable how many people seem to be stuck in the "I WONT ACCEPT ANY KIND OF AUTHORITY ITS NOT SELFISH ITS MY FREEDOM" phase

On May 30 2014 08:51 ghost_403 wrote:
I think that mafia on TL would benefit from these changes. It's a pain to play here, or at least it was when I stopped playing. The spam, the insults, the attacks... it was just brutal. What was it, one of the TL Mafia games in the forties or fifties, featured two of the scum making pages of posts against each other of just absolute shit. It was miserable to play through. It's just not fun to play in those kinds of environments.

You read some of the older games, the mind games that went on behind the scenes, and it just looks so exciting. Building cases, fighting constructively to prove your point, applying analysis instead of lynching the people who aren't spamming... I want TL Mafia to look like that. Instead, we get games that are just painful to even read, much less think about what's really going on.

I think that TL should strive to run a tighter ship. I really don't give a shit about "this is my play style" or "this is the current meta". The current meta is fucking stupid. Forum mafia should be a game about wits and outsmarting your opponent, rather than just making yourself the loudest. I fully support anything that allows the host to clean up the game and make it more engaging to the players and the observers.

On May 30 2014 16:54 goodkarma wrote:
After reading the thread I should elaborate a bit. I'm a little surprised this has created so much controversy...

The way that TL Mafia operates right now you have a bunch of people who go into a pool of games. These people are all exposed to the same atmosphere. There's definitely a fair bit of name-calling/dick-wagging/"toxicity" presently. So what comes out, then, are ONLY the people who have thick enough skins to deal with this remain actively involved in games.

But what's more, games are INCREDIBLY long. Having the stamina to go through 100+ post games takes a very special type of person. This weeds out EVEN MORE people from what's a already small pool of people.

So if you remove "toxicity" to deal with issue #1 and spamming to help with issue #2 then you're going to appeal to a WIDER AUDIENCE. As such, I don't understand why anyone here is so strongly against these rules. Implementing these should help create a larger player pool. And yes, GAMES WILL FEEL DIFFERENT. But I can't understand why so many people here feel that being an ass to other people is inherently necessary to playing a good game of mafia. If you're the type of person who's okay with the current player base and the current community atmosphere, keep in mind not everyone thinks like you or behaves like you. Should you have rules that make everyone more civil, you'll attract people that like games that are more civil. It seriously blows my mind that there seems to be a consensus on these forums that numbers are declining, but then there's a perfectly viable solution presented and there's so much resistance.


But if ch-changes are too hard for this forum, here's an alternative suggestion:

Test-drive these rules on a special game. Call it "Nicety Mafia" or whatever. See how it feels. I'm wholely confident you'll find that it's entirely possible to play without being complete dicks to each other.


And another suggestion a bit unrelated to the rule changes:
And as for my situation, while I would certainly like to come back and play here again in the future, I've got my own real life stuff going on right now. I would probably fall in category #2. Games are too large for me to commit to keeping up with presently... I think another thing that the mafia thread could do is to work on the formats for games a bit more. It may be unpopular with many of the more active members but having a few games that are heavily spam-free, as in like 5-10 posts max/day ("Mafia-lite" if you will) might bring more people in. The games may not be as high-quality as the more intense normal ones we have here, but anything you can do to get more people involved is a good thing, right? If you're dead serious about attracting more people, then you should try some new things... Imho the absolute biggest barrier to forum mafia is just how much posting is expected. I would say most people when active here float around from time to time through all the formats (normal/themed/etc), the real trick is JUST GETTING THEM HERE. And less time-intensive games would be another way of accomplishing that.

On May 30 2014 03:40 Foolishness wrote:
Going to repost this because it's true:

And this one as well:

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Let me start by addressing this post:

On May 29 2014 15:18 GMarshal wrote:
Are people actually reading my posts?

On May 30 2014 15:29 Incognito wrote:
As ghost alludes to in his post, older games used to be more intellectual. Games now are more emotional and less intellectual. This is a bad trend since emotional games just lead to an atmosphere that will be unappealing for a significant group of potential players. Sure, it can sometimes be effective to play an emotional style, but you have some pretty nasty side effects that come out of it. First, it drives away players. Second, it encourages more spam since people are speaking a lot and thinking little. This leads to poorer game quality and a less healthy community. Behavioral discussions didn't come up since it wasn't an issue. But now behavioral issues are an issue, and I don't think continuing with a wild-west philosophy is appropriate here.

On May 28 2014 18:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And I may be showing my "vet status" (whatever that phrase means) here but good god things are behaviorally better now than when I started imo. For starters there is actually a mafia "community" that didn't exist to the same degree and at the same time the number of gigantic forum halting ban list discussions has fallen as well (anyone remember the debate to perm BM?). So in my opinion, drastic change is not needed.

On May 30 2014 16:54 goodkarma wrote:
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Test-drive these rules on a special game. Call it "Nicety Mafia" or whatever. See how it feels. I'm wholely confident you'll find that it's entirely possible to play without being complete dicks to each other.
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On May 30 2014 18:33 marvellosity wrote:


Green + red comparisons: funny.

To the blue alone: we have far more active players and games than we used to in your oh-so-wonderful heydey.