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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
I host games where you can FAB MF & USAL, and Blazinghand will host the monocle fancier's club. Everyone else falls where they choose + Show Spoiler + look who is hosting the game you join. If you want I be loose and you know they run a tight ship don't join. If you want a tightly run game don't join that thing being hosted by a swinger. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 29 2014 18:04 Alakaslam wrote: How about this. I host games where you can FAB MF & USAL, and Blazinghand will host the monocle fancier's club. Everyone else falls where they choose + Show Spoiler + look who is hosting the game you join. If you want I be loose and you know they run a tight ship don't join. If you want a tightly run game don't join that thing being hosted by a swinger. THIS REQUIRES TOO MUCH COMMON SENSE, SORRY | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On May 28 2014 21:58 Dandel Ion wrote: I would like to request a list of hosts agreeing to this. | ||
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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
Do I think having a more rigorous rule set for etiquette would be beneficial? Yes Do I think this will foster more growth in the TL mafia community or help stint its decay? No There are three main reasons why I am not actively involved anymore: 1. I enjoy video mafia more. It is faster paced, more personal and more rewarding. 2. Inconsistent player activity. In many games I have played, players go MIA, lurk, etc... I understand that we all have lives, but this really detours me from wanting to stay active myself. 3. The community. I enjoy playing with a lot of people on this site, but there are some players on this site that will ruin a game for me. It is not their etiquette that ruins games for me. I have a thick skin and don't care what anyone says about me. I have talked with Phil a bunch in the past about rule sets, etiquette, etc... We see eye to eye on everything. Whatever he wants to implement I support. I will say though that the age old debate of having "the mod" = GOD or "a common rule set" = GOD isn't going to disappear and is a trap. Having both seems reasonable. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On May 29 2014 20:14 Ace wrote: ITT fear of authority is rampant One time we see eye-to-eye. | ||
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iVLosK!
Djibouti545 Posts
On May 29 2014 07:28 ShiaoPi wrote: The thing is pretty much everything was allowed for the players since very few hosts actually enforced the rules like it is planned to now. If you were a new host who already has trouble filling up his games (see for example golden sun before koshi invited everyone) since nobody knows about your setups and how you handle games a message saying you will be strict on manners can just be the nail in the coffin for your game. So what you're saying is "hosts may want to make stricter games, but if they make stricter games they're afraid no one will join the game." I'd say that speaks volumes about the popularity of these new rules then. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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iVLosK!
Djibouti545 Posts
On May 29 2014 22:04 yamato77 wrote: Which speaks volumes about the playerbase we currently have, and their attitude toward acting like respectable people. If TL were only made up of the people who are against these changes, I would probably play here more than once every three months. I always begin a game, read a 1000 word post about someone hurting someone elses feelings and why I should be outraged that someone got called 'dumb' on the internet. The lightbulb goes on and I remember why I don't like it here. This is a game. Where the object is to discredit your opponent and establish yourself and your agenda as the one people should be listening to. As Marv says, "inherently adversarial." It's possible to survive in an environment when things get heated. Avoid spam. Don't flame. Keep it burg. Only fools take things said in-game to have significance beyond it. -is my favorite rule on OMGUS.What I'm seeing amongst the "for" crowd's arguments are that these changes are so small that no-one will even have to change their playing style. If it's not going to change playstyle whatsoever, how will it affect in-game atmosphere? It cant. So the changes will be made broader and more extreme and so on. Why don't you host a game under the new rules. At first only the teary-eyed children will join but if these rule changes are as great as you say, and they require as little adjustment as you say, everyone should come around right? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
I'm on there, I am totally fine with this. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 30 2014 02:57 Erandorr wrote: is there anything you guys wont argue about No What is mafia? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Whatever. I really like this community, I think it's the only community on the interwebs that's ever held my attention for so long. Now some secret minority wants to force changes down everybody's throats. This thread is ridiculous because everything has already been decided so there's only token interest in dialogue and apparently no interest in compromise. I hope this is going to work out great but I fear you're going to ruin everything for no reason. | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 28 2014 11:28 Ace wrote: From what I understand they just want to bring TL Mafia more inline with the general site behavior requirements. You're still allowed to be funny when insulting people and post gifs. They are just trying to make it explicit in terms of obvious personal attacks and behavior that would scare new players away. I don't post much on other forums on the site but I'm pretty sure you only get banned when you go really overboard on the insults which is what I assume the point of all this discussion is. And this one as well: On May 29 2014 03:02 Holyflare wrote: Look, this whole post could have just been worded like: "In light of recent behaviour i've asked the hosts to be a little bit stricter in terms of aggression and spam! They will warn you first and then if it continues you will be modkilled. Everything is at the hosts discretion but I have told them to be a little less leniant. We'd like more people to join and we want to start posting games to show off the fun we can have. In order for them to do that our games need to look a little more refined than current standings." Nobody would have many problems with that ^ but the OP was worded so that every bit of aggression and caps lock and anger would not be tolerated at all. Even contemplating about TL bans...? So pretty much NOTHING is changing but the hosts being a little more pro-active in behaviour warning and that's it. Let me start by addressing this post: On May 29 2014 04:09 Holyflare wrote: Nobody is really arguing that being stricter is a problem at all? They are arguing that: a) tl bans shouldn't be used at all b) the op was worded like some thing from a dictatorship where nothing would stand ever c) this was out of the blue and decided in secret rather than together people don't care if hosts become a bit stricter and enforce the rules slightly more as long as they get warned first and then modkilled after a) As GM already said in a previous post, nobody is getting TL banned. And as he already said this was an idea that was discussed and proposed. And personally, I'll admit I was the main proponent of that because I am in favor of such a thing. But as many people have already pointed out it's not a good idea because it doesn't address or solve the issue(s) at hand. So even though I disagree on the issue it's not going to happen. b) I quoted the two posts by Ace and HolyFlare at the start to reemphasize what's going on. If the OP sounded like this then yes, it's GM's and my fault for that happening. It wasn't our intention and we didn't think people would interpret it that way. c) It wasn't out of the blue because I talked to a lot of people in private first before making this thread. This was done to see if people agreed with this and if hosts would be willing to step up and enforce and reward good behavior. The list of hosts that I personally asked before hand were: + Show Spoiler + GreyMist, Blazinghand, Artanis[Xp], [UoN]Sentinel, LoneMeow, Promethelax, geript, Kitaman27, Palmar, Ange777, Alakaslam, Hapahauli, ShiaoPi, Ace. I choose these players by looking at the games that occurred in the past 6 months or so and picking the names of hosts/cohosts whose name appeared a lot. Obviously I wanted to ask the hosts who have been the most frequent hosts as of late. Besides the people here I also asked a few people who have been around on the forum for a long time even if they don't host/play much anymore. Even though the primary goal was to ask hosts I didn't strictly go by that rule and asked players who were frequent cohosts as well. I think most of the people I listed have already voiced their opinion in the thread so there's not much more to say about that issue. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Honestly the topic in itself is good but the way it was presented felt like it's somehow player's "fault" that we need this sort of "change" when in fact nothing changes except for hosts using their banhammer more fairly to keep up good atmosphere. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On May 30 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: So if hosts (whoever they are) agreed with what you guys are proposing in the first place why is it not happening already? I mean, this has been talked before and people were in on that then. Why don't hosts act like it then? Honestly the topic in itself is good but the way it was presented felt like it's somehow player's "fault" that we need this sort of "change" when in fact nothing changes except for hosts using their banhammer more fairly to keep up good atmosphere. We wouldn't just change the subforum rules without community input. This kind of change needs a thread imo | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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