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On June 23 2014 19:05 HaruRH wrote: Yes. Given how you were initially thinking of voting for kotc and meatpudding, I would like to: 1) see what changed in your views of Hobbitus, kotc and meatpudding 2) reads from reading reads in the past 10+ pages (lol what a pun) When I quickly skimmed through some random pages, I got a really bad vibe from KotC. Hobbitus I am going to keep on my fence, I saw one post where he evaluated some of MM's reads instead of being obnoxious, like Tolkien and KotC were. I'm going to have a better picture of the situation now that I'm actually reading and catching up post by post, so what I just said might be very incorrect but those were my initial gutfeelings. Talking about puns, did you know, that I actually submitted ten puns to a pun contest, hoping one would win? Unfortunately, no pun in ten did! :c | ||
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On June 23 2014 19:10 HaruRH wrote: Thanks for the read. I have reasons to suspect that there is a scum between KingOfTheCats and MeatPudding . Do not mistake me, I still think meat is the one I'm looking for. But having an alternate wagon won't hurt. I definitely agree. Since I assume you were in the middle of all of the clusterfudge, how are you reading Tolkien from all of the interaction? | ||
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On June 23 2014 19:12 Teemursu wrote: I definitely agree. Since I assume you were in the middle of all of the clusterfudge, how are you reading Tolkien from all of the interaction? No pun in ten did AHAHAHAHA Guess you'll have to wait for my night overall read for d1/n1. | ||
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My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. | ||
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On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote: This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy EDIT: +thinks* | ||
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On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote: This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. | ||
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On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads: On Nydus's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same reads i've got on meatpudding and TheKingOfCats (I've said earlier that I wasn't really sure about meatpudding but after analyzing his reads I've started to believe he is leaning scum, I'll tell why on his time), although I don't think he's got good grounds on it. I don't think that questioning Teemu instead of TheKingOfCats is ground for possible scummy. That said, I don't actually see solid argumentation here, but nothing suspicious. Null-read on Nydus. On MysteryMeat's: + Show Spoiler + *On his reads on The_Templar, I don't see direct relation between having scum filters and that being scummy. You may clarify this assumption so I could understand it better, but it means nothing to me right now. *On his reads on scott, I'm with him. I'd just say that, as someone said, Scott is kinda lost in the game. ALTHOUGH voting on himself looked very suspicious. Sounded like he was trying to get away from being lynched by looking as a victim. *On his reads on Cats, I' with him again. Most of TheKingOfCats posts sounds scummy to me. *On his reads on Hobbitus, I don't see a problem on saying that it's her first game. I have a townie-read on Hobbitus, but I need to read more of her posts to get a stronger read. *On his reads on Teemu, I disagree. As someone said, forcing a "pinging out" before analyzing meatpudding's reaction was suspicious, as to push voting to someone he knows it's not his partner in case he is a scum. Some other of his posts have a scummy vibe, although sometimes I see him leaning townie. I have no reads on Teemu by now. *On his reads on meatpudding, I disagree. He sounded scum in the beginning of the game and in other times later. I have a specific argument which I'll reveal while analyzing meatpudding reads. *On his reads on Nydus, I'm not really sure. I think Nydus is leaning townie, but that's a weak read I have. That said, there is little I can tell about MysteryMeat. Null-read. I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big. On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok. Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him On Tolkien's (and about Lurking) + Show Spoiler + I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point. The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy. Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility. Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum? Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. On Haru's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same opinion as I. Moreover, I said before I have a strong feeling Haru is townie. Therefore, thats how I read him. On Epishade's: + Show Spoiler + Alright, not sure what to think about Teemu and Templar, as I said before. Therefore, I cannot totally disagree with the arguments Epishade brought. Really hard to analyze. But at least he brought plausible arguments. I have a leaning town read on Epishade because I think he is trying to contribute and brings good grounds with his reads, although I might not agree with them.. On Teemu's: + Show Spoiler + Again, not sure what to think about Teemu and his reads are ok but I can't see his grounds in this post. Not a reliable read I must say. On Scott's: + Show Spoiler + I've not got much to say, it's pratically the point of view I'm having of the game right now. Makes me wonder if I'm misunderstaning his self-vote. I'd null-read him for now. On meatpudding's: + Show Spoiler + "Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum. ##Vote: HaruRH Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me. I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off. Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here. On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info. Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here. Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads. That's all I have for now." There is a huge contradiction here. Meatpudding is declaring Haru guilty for the same reason he decides Cats is not-guilty. He says that Haru is asking vague questions, but if Cats isn't, I don't know how a precise question should be. This seems really suspicious and, as I think Cats is probably scum, meatpudding may trying to cover up a partner. I have a strong scumread here. On Haru's (again) + Show Spoiler + Haru has got the same opinion as I, that meatpudding is contradicting(?) himself, and I've concluded this opinion before even reading Haru's scumread. I'm with him. On Templar's (again): + Show Spoiler + Once again, I cannot read Templar. But this time he brought good grounds on most of his assumptions, although I might not agree with them. Phew, that took long! Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him. So... ##Vote: meatpudding I didn't mind most of your reads, I have you as leaning town. What is your updated read on MeatPudding and KotC? Also I want to hear you talk about Tolkien. Regarding MeatPudding, I specifically want to direct you to here. | ||
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Teemursu
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On June 23 2014 09:28 Lord Tolkien wrote: Some explanation for some of the reads would be greatly appreciated. Specifically jabber. Sure. I liked Jabber's read on Scott and his overall tone. The way I read Nydus (at least in video mafia) is when I evaluate his logic and reasons for his town reads. Sometimes he can be very paranoid and defend very scummy people (often even mafia) and that is sometimes a little harder to read through, but sometimes he can give very towny logic and help me not misread him. So far I've been happy with the content he's provided. I'm not sure what he has posted yet in the coming +15 posts. Templar's reads are decent and is playing very vanilla, I like him as town. I've given my thoughts on MeatPudding in my accusations towards him, could you maybe read them and tell me what you think? I'm currently focusing on Cats, please respond to me ASAP about him. I want to talk with you, since I want to read into the interaction between you two. I also need you to explain this in detail. This post is one of the more questionable ones to me, now that I'm starting to read through these posts. | ||
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On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote: As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want. I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me. meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru. MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green. It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. Why is he acceptable? He is making, in my opinion, if not as little, even less sense than MM1, and you're still regarding him as bad town instead of scum. This kind of inconsistency is how I catch mafia. I believe you're scum and you should probably be lynched immidiately. | ||
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[QUOTE]On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: [QUOTE]On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote: [QUOTE]On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me.[/QUOTE] Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me.[/QUOTE] I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat?[/QUOTE] That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming  But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from?If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though.[/QUOTE] I like the last sentence of this post. I can see the same mindset as I am having right now. Again, seeing as the clusterfudge played out, I feel like specific people kept trying to bury MM1 for this. | ||
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 Sorry for being a little careless about quoting. | ||
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To put it simply, why focus on it so hard? Since MM1 flipped green, it almost sounds like they had to pre-emptively defend their case on something they knew would be a misslynch. Did MM1 actually not push on Tolkien at all? I'm still not sure how much things would be different, if he had. | ||
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On June 23 2014 19:45 Teemursu wrote: Haru, you still in the thread? Are there any people you want to talk about other than Tolkien, KotC and MeatPudding? Sure. 1) Jabber's wagoning from townreading meatpudding -> voting meatpudding 2) Nydus' s hard push on MM 3) Scott's usefulness in this lynch 4) Templar's vote switching | ||
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On June 23 2014 19:51 HaruRH wrote: Sure. 1) Jabber's wagoning from townreading meatpudding -> voting meatpudding 2) Nydus' s hard push on MM 3) Scott's usefulness in this lynch 4) Templar's vote switching Great, I'll get back at you ASAP. | ||
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On June 23 2014 11:31 Hobbitus wrote: Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are: 1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes 2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage 3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes 4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched It is starting to look like 2. being the case. What is your thought on it now that the clusterfudge is over? by Epishade: + Show Spoiler + "Though meatpudding hasn't really done much to convince me, Meat's inactivity and illogical/inconsistent posting has made me question my vote on meatpudding in favor of a better lynch. Sorry Meat. You might be town, but you've made questionable choices for me to not vote you." In hindsight, this sounds a little weird to me. There is a reads post by MM1, that I want to bring up right here. MM1 says Tolkien wants to lynch lurkers. MM1 posts reads and people are still going at him HARD for some minor inconsistency in who he wanted to push? Seeing the votes EOD, I suspect there was at least 2 scum in MM1's bandwagon. | ||
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On June 23 2014 19:51 HaruRH wrote: Sure. 1) Jabber's wagoning from townreading meatpudding -> voting meatpudding 2) Nydus' s hard push on MM 3) Scott's usefulness in this lynch 4) Templar's vote switching To answer some of your questions. 1) Initially I thought he might've switched his read because of how hard I pushed on him, but since I haven't really seen him post about this matter yet, I kind of see it being scummy. I'm going to read through his filter if a clearer answer won't come up by the end of the day. 2) I now came to the post where Nydus votes on MM1. I really really like his town read on Jabber. It's the exact thing I'm looking for when I try to figure out his alignment His town read on Tolkien is awkward. I can kind of see his reasoning, but after the post, I don't feel like Tolkien has been updating his reads too much. I would like to hear Nydus's updated read on Tolkien and Cats. The flip on MM1 is weird. I can see a world where he votes on him instead of MeatPudding because of the townread he has on Tolkien, but I'm a little confused as to why he switched his vote from MP to MM1, since he didn't explain it too much. | ||
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Why are you entertaining and asking so much for reasoning on a world that is impossible from your own perspective? And to answer your question, since I believe you might be scum, to get a misslynch. It's really that simple. The question screams for answers that only contain, at least partially, WIFOM. Why are you so passionate about MM1 voting on Cats instead of you? | ||
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