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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hkupnMA.png) it's smiley djo! i will be counting.... | ||
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On March 09 2014 04:05 geript wrote: Can someone make me a sweet Vote Count Bitch mspaint thing ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TV2J6tm.png) | ||
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On March 18 2014 11:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: If nobody at all signs up, I'll remove the goon since we've only 13. Optimally I'd like two more people to sign up for 11-4. But nobody has the time it seems. you can add me back in if someone else signs up, whatever is best for balance | ||
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On March 19 2014 09:21 Koshi wrote: @thrawn2112 Coag says he is the sole poster on the account atm. From his posts that also seems likely. ok? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/U9wOTR1.png) can you answer dp's question? | ||
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On March 19 2014 11:34 Hopeless1der wrote: coag for seal HF for being dense and altogether not useful rayn for being rayn palmar for general pigheadedness and his early game telling me to piss off DP for general demeanor though tbh I could cherry pick a reasonable conspiracy/association case from him this doesn't help me. if you took this post completely out of context and didn't know anything about this game, you'd have no idea if those reads make those players town or mafia "rayn for being rayn" recently you said that rayn should be lynched if he doesn't come back, but if he does come back he's town. I want to knwo about your read on him right now, not related to some conditional crap in the future. my guess is that you think he;s town but I still want you to explain why | ||
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On March 19 2014 12:53 DarthPunk wrote: Really? explain to me what your thought process was. When I read his post I was like, this guy is clearly scum. it's a gut read so there's not much more I can say about it. i wasn't convinced by your case. for example the ve read made sense. i'm guessing there might be some context there (ve told me he was good) that might could be explained or referenced but it's not as if his VE read comes out of nowhere like you suggest. | ||
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On March 19 2014 13:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i'm too scared to actually policy lynch someone who pretty much confirms themselves as town, which is what that voting thing did | ||
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On March 19 2014 13:11 DarthPunk wrote: thrawn can attest to this. HOPELESS WILL GO AFK if he is town. no ifs or butts about it. If he is town he will lurk. S both town/scum from my experience | ||
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On March 19 2014 13:32 VisceraEyes wrote: omg such pages. Reading now. finished yet? | ||
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I haven't decided, I'd like to have this explained first On March 19 2014 08:58 Giggletummy wrote: It is me noting something for reasons. Will discuss later, want to talk to Flare | ||
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On March 19 2014 18:22 Palmar wrote: There's something about HF. He for the most part looks like town but every once in a while he posts something that's sorta off. I know what you mean but I sorta feel the same way about DP | ||
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On March 19 2014 18:30 Palmar wrote: thrawn who are your top 3 town reads and why? rayn - i watched him in foundation and what seemed most different in his play there compared to his town play is that he didn't seem as interested in finding scum, and he didn't appear to act like he was going to be a strong town leader. he knows his skill level and as town i think he usually feels a lot of repsonsibility for helping town win. It's a hard thing to pinpoint but this is probably the closest I can get: On March 19 2014 13:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now i am srsly gonna go to bed. I hope we have an answer when i wake up. It's stuff like that where I feel like rayn is sincerely trying to push town in a direction that he believe will help him lynch scum. Another big reason is this post which is supposed to be from his notes during the time he rage quit the thread. I think it's a lot more likely that he did that (that = make notes during rage quite) as town than he did that as scum. Koshi, mostly because he seems to be having fun and I can feel the thought behind his posts even when they aren't given. I think tehpoofter is town. I already talked about my initial read on his post, and that read was further solidified by him claiming to have "set a trap" for vivax here I don't think there's anyone else that I'd feel confident as labeling a "top" town read. I think both dp and hf are town but I can't get over this nagging doubt that one of them is full of crap. | ||
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yeah i'm sorry lol. what I said there is mostly related to why I asked holyflare to stop talking about you. I think that if he's town, the way he's going about attacking you (being a giant douche) is making it difficult for me to get a good read on either of you | ||
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On March 19 2014 18:50 Oatsmaster wrote: vote on thrawn. proper vote when i get home. Can you explain what exactly feels off about HF or DP thrawn? when I read HF's posts I think "does this guy really belive what he's saying" (in regards to stuff he's said about dp) some of DP's posts feel like he's not trying hard enough, like he's giving himself outs for lame reasons so that he doesn't have to take firm stances (mostly regarding HF) | ||
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On March 19 2014 18:52 Palmar wrote: I'm amazed you think tehpoofter looks better than me. I agree on Koshi and rayn, although you didn't get the correct reasoning for Koshi's alignment. The reason Koshi is town is that during the whole Coag/rayn thing he was actively trying to move the thread on from that argument. I think rayn is town so there is literally no reason for scum to try to stop an argument between what seem to be two townies. This basically means that Koshi should be everyone's favorite townread at the moment. better doesn't = townier  so no, i do not think tehpoofter looks "better" than you. i think he is more likely to be town than you. | ||
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dp: On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote: You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did. Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it. I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah. bolded "i have this scum read on you that i'm going to lazily ignore because of 1 previous game" On March 19 2014 18:37 DarthPunk wrote: I can't really comment on Holyflare anymore. He is so deeply tunnelled and pissed me off so epicly that I can't make unbiased judgements of his alignment. I would really like to know what dp thinks about HF but apparently he is unable to explain what he thinks. It's pretty furstrating because while I hate the cop-out, I completely understand the reasoing behind it. hf: pretty much any of his posts that are directed at DP. they've got too much fluff in them that's cmpletely devoted to ad hom or similar malicious rhetoric that it makes it really hard for me to figure out if HF is being genuine | ||
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and no, i have never said you aren't town, i've never said anything about what I think about your alignment. tbh i prefer to keep it that way. | ||
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On March 19 2014 19:15 Palmar wrote: What expectations have I failed to live up to? You can't just claim shit like this without explaining what you mean. Sure I understand you don't expect poofter to be some amazing mass-posting supertownie, but I don't see how even if you give him a "noob" status he has fully lived up to expectations, so my only reasonable conclusion is that I have somehow not lived up to your expectations of me. So, what are those expectations? my expectations of you as town is that as some point you will do something that makes me think "wow palmar such town i will never doubt this read" like when you started talking to yourself in foundation. I sorta got that feeling from the way you talked about how coag should be modkilled because it felt similar to the frustration you felt in foundation over how pushing a boone (the claimed doc) lynch would be impossible, therefore you must just assume she's town and not care about the game if she was mafia. So yes i do think you are town but not so much that I would care to write this many words about it if you weren't being so annoying about it. | ||
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a lack of reasons not to lynch him | ||
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seems like you're just mad because you weren't in my top 3 town list? anyways i don't care any more, I'm very very far from trying to lynch you so I don't want to waste any more time posting about it | ||
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On March 19 2014 19:29 Djodref wrote: And why VE over some other guys I assume you also lack of reasons not to lynch ? Why did you bring up a lynch on VE just when DP was just mentioning him ? here is my current pool of lynch candidates, i've arrived at this list by eliminating people who have done things that make me think they must be or probably are town 3. Hopeless1der 4. djodref 5. Holyflare 6. VisceraEyes 11. Oatsmaster 12. GiggleTummy 15. Alakaslam I never said "VE over some other guys," there are obviously a lot of people in this game that deserve to die | ||
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On March 19 2014 19:50 DarthPunk wrote: Why are one of them scum? I'm not sure on either to be honest. Vivax looked ok so thrawn calling him scum is odd. Djo is ? to be determined. If he does scum hunting he is town based off mario mini but that was a long time ago. hmm? | ||
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i dont remember calling vivax mafia | ||
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4. djodref 6. VisceraEyes 8. Vivax 15. Alakaslam | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:16 Holyflare wrote: meh I didn't think djodref was that bad, don't like his disappearance though can you find a non-rayn read in djo's filter? i can't. | ||
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ggtmy should probably go on that list but there is something about how this stuff happened that makes me think he might be town: On March 20 2014 00:10 Giggletummy wrote: (1) I was fishing for a reaction. I got a scummy one. Therefore, DP is scum. He's done some stuff since, but I don't care, original reasons stand. (See this post, which is why I marked it - + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 08:44 Koshi wrote: I didn't like your early posting. I didn't like the non committal stuff. I didn't like the defensive attitude of other posts. I was reading the thread and I was actually looking at your posts strangely and then people put pressure on you and I simply +1 on everything. because I felt that needed to be done and they had a point. Out of everybody I really believe you had a really weak-ass start and I gave you a scummy point. The point is already put down and cannot be erased. -Koshi his judgement- as for oats, he had been consistently calling me scum up till a point where he wrote a lynch list that didn't innclude me, nowhere in his filter does it indicate that his read on me was changing before that lynch list post. his push on me wa a main component of his play so if he were scum i'd expect him to at least document the fact that his thrawn-read changed, if not give his reasons for the flop, given how scum want to keep their story straight. furthur, the fact that he has reads that change that aren't documented in his posts suggest that he is actualyl thinking about his reads even when he's not posting about them | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:34 Holyflare wrote: so your scum team is lurker 1,2,3 and 4 then? correct! why is that an issue? we are in fact playing tlmafia right? | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:40 Holyflare wrote: we talked about you earlier, did you not see that? yes | ||
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yes as in, yes I saw it. something you want to talk about? | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:51 Palmar wrote: He did at least own up to dropping the read. Who knows. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21027165 that's only because he was asked about it, doesn't count | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:47 Holyflare wrote: why you mentioned about 5 things that made dp mafia but then decided to not put him on your poe list? I have no clue. I will say that all those reasons I mentioned could have easily happened as a direct result of you tunneling him. like, dp's non-read on you could be because of the exact same reasons I was having trouble reading you. you were being a huge asshole during that tunnel and it just didn't feel genuine, it felt like you were edging him on to try and force him into looking scummier. so maybe that's why I included you but ommitted dp, but honestly i do not remember. poe lists tend to be snap decisions for me | ||
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On March 20 2014 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn what has DP done that make you think that he is town? This is what you say: there must be a reason. this post felt pretty truthful | ||
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On March 20 2014 03:11 Holyflare wrote: All the points you used to question dp's alignment were points that I had alread stated and posted, so in fact, you were using my arguments on why dp is scum to question your town read on dp because he looked scummy based on the reasons i was pointing out and he was getting frustrated at in the first place. So for you to poe me in the list means that you did not read our interactions at all? i didn't really read much of anything you posted before I asked you to stfu about dp. | ||
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so yes, in the context of my job as a townie I am bad for skimming all of that, but I don't care | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/E3euhir.png) On March 20 2014 04:45 Koshi wrote: people that only talk about 1 person are often mafia. On March 20 2014 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Djodref soft-defended me at a really weird time | ||
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my read on him throughout this game has honeslty been extremely wishy washy even inside my own head, which is probably why i'm having trouble talking about him in the thread | ||
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also what is up with "thrawn is scum for having the two top town reads that everyone else has" "thrawn is scum for his controversial tehpoofter townread" and neither of those things are even scummy | ||
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On March 20 2014 08:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn give me something. anything. It's true what Koshi says, you've not really been yourself in this game. But i don't think it makes you mafia. The problem is when i die there is a high chance you get lynched. So please something, anything. i know exactly what he means. the problem is that you can't really tell what my thoughts are or something liek that right? and i'm not as involved in the scumhunt as I normally am? the reason for the latter is dark souls 2, i've been playing in non stop at the expense of this game because it is so much more fun than reading pages of omgus. i kinda have this problem where if i don't immediately jump into conversation right at the very start of the game then it gets hard for me to form reads I fell confident about for a good chunk or maybe even all of D1. as to the first problem, I can help you there. next time i do a PoE list i'll take notes of my thoughts while making the list and after that there won't be any doubt that i'm town. the PoE i did most recently was a result of about 2 hours or so of careful filter reading and for whatever reason I just didn't care to put my thoughts in the thread. | ||
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On March 20 2014 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn what do you think of this post? eh, my reaction to that post is that tehpoofter might be questioning the 'scummy guy" because that's what the thread wants to see. and the question "Which of the lurkers is most likely to be a good town later assuming they're town" doesn't seem like a real scumhunting hunting question, more like a nonsensical fake scumhunting question i guess I am thinking that post is pretty scummy, lol | ||
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On March 20 2014 08:17 Tehpoofter wrote: I actually agree with this on thrawn I don't think I would lynch him today but I think its a good point to look into later. He seemed to know I was town off something else no one was reading me town for could be too much information. when is later? why not now? | ||
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On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote: I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well. I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much. I don't understand this. Your problems with the votes on you is that Oats and I aren't pushing for your lynch strongly enough for you to belive that we actually are trying to lynch you. Koshi miiight be pushing harder but only slightly harder, and probably not up to the standards you are holding Oats and I to. But koshi's vote is ok, because you think he's town. So that means that if you ignore the votes, you already didn't think oats and/or myself to be town? Otherwise we our vot3s could be excused in the way that koshi's is. Can you explain your oats and thrawn reads without talking about their votes? | ||
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On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote: They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia. And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed. As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me. this makes less sense than i thought... you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes. | ||
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On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote: Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell. are you talking about wishy washy as scum? i don't remember anything about djo's play other than looney lynching mafia | ||
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well DP. prior to this you talked about meta being bad, so what's different here? | ||
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but it is interesting to think about and I wish you'd have let those three people answer you abuot hopeless before writing all of that | ||
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when i'm asking hopeless questions and he suddenly decides he must leave right then, there is nothing else I can do except wait for him to come back. it's not "losing interest" like you're suggesting. he came back while I was away from the thread, i read the thread which included some people interrogating him, and I decided he was town based off those interactions | ||
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regarding hf/dp is this that same stuff holyflare was going on about? about how hf shouldn't have been in my list, or maybe DP should have, or something? i can't remember my thought process at the time of that early PoE list because of irl reasons, so asking me "why thrawn why" isn't going to help you figure out my alignment. if I had to guess as to why i posted those things, just from reading my own posts from that time period, it might have had something to do with talking to and sympathizing with DP over holyflare's annoyingness in the thread right before i made that list. | ||
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DP - some scummy things about him, but I can understand the reasons why he'd be doing those things and those reasons are holyflare's fault hf - some scummy things about him, and I cannot figure out why he'd be doing those things (later he commented that he just enjoys trolling DP, this probably makes him more town than I thought as it at least provides some justification for his behavior) so yes, I had reasons for not trusting either of them, but DP was the one I could sympathize with and possibly understand | ||
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" ie sheeping a guy on another guy whose posts you didn't read previously despite having declared an interest into doing so." are you talking about hopeless sheeping VE's reason to lynch giggle? | ||
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Can you explain the main part of your case? This: "He agrees with HF's case in the post, tries to calm down his alleged scumread a bit later. Says townies wouldn't talk about Rayn + Coag, but does it himself? How do you use reasoning that doesn't apply to you when you know you're town? Answer: It's when you need to find some bs reason to justify a read." (as an aside, when you say "his alleged scumread" instead of naming the alleged scumread it makes it hard for me to follow the argument) | ||
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On March 20 2014 13:03 Vivax wrote: But it should strike you as something in the realm of very probable scum play, unless you can convince me that there's something in his filter that is a reliable town tell compared to those posts from him. no, I won't even grant you that. I'm town and there are massive portions of the early game I haven't read. i've had to explain the gaps between my reads multiple times in the game so far, because I never explained them to begin with. so I KNOW that townies are capable of doing the things you are accusing hopeless of being scum for. | ||
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On March 20 2014 13:08 Vivax wrote: I do x, I know I'm town. I say some dude is town cause he didn't do x. Does it finally ring? The alleged scumread is DP cause he agreed on HF's case to its full extent. OK so X is talking about Coag vs Rayn right? OK so here is my interpretation of that. tehpoofter is not claiming that townies won't talk about coag vs rayn. His statement "Suffice it to say I was reading HF town because he wasnt talking about Rayn Coag in the first 3 hours" is related to his statement about "reading between lines," the last of which he later admitted to being a terrible miscomminication. HF "reading between the lines" means that holyflare was interested in things other than the "lines," or "the main issue in the thread." So he townread holyflare not because townies don't talk about rayn vs coag, but because HF showing interest in more than just the thread's main issue is townie. | ||
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On March 20 2014 13:17 Vivax wrote: Thrawn, start saying who is scum and not do other shit please. The people I accuse can defend themselves on their own, while your reasoning above looked like it would be from an authentic thought process, it's sketchy as fuck that all you're doing is antagonizing me and being exceptionally thick on the points on TehPoofter. Unless you have some superduper evidence that TehPoofter and hopeless are not scum and are willing to present it, then you can gently fuck off instead of saying "BUT IT COULD BE TOWN" 100 times. What you're doing is in no way productive, it only tries to discredit and keep doubt up. I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, how am I antagonizing you? | ||
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On March 20 2014 13:28 Vivax wrote: HF you should have known you actually SPOKE about that shit, how do you accept Poofter townreading you for something that has not happened? He specifically said it's cause you didn't talk about it in the first three hours of the game, well herp-a-derp you talked about it 30 minutes afterwards. I don't think you even tried to understand my post. What tehpoofter meant: "not talkng about rayn vs coag" = "reading betwen the lines" = "being interested in things other than the main topic" = "townie" | ||
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On March 20 2014 13:48 Vivax wrote: Riddle me this, how does HF making a case on DP constitute "reading between the lines" when it happened BEFORE the rayn Coag shit happened? Look vivax. Here is holy flare doing something other than talk about coag during the rayn/coag stuff. This is what tehpoofter meant by "reading between the lines." | ||
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On March 20 2014 16:26 DarthPunk wrote: If it was between the two it would be giggle hands down. Which is why my vote was on him over djo. Djo seemed reasonable after my case and was willing to talk things out at least. He promised to talk when he wakes up, which is something that giggle clearly may not do. His holy vote was suspect as fuck. He left, dropped a case many hours later and then left. Def Giggle between the two. dp can you show me the reasonable posts djo's made that you're talking about here? | ||
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On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote: Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell. you said they looked bad. after that you went on to call djo mafia based on meta. the SAME posts that you are calling reasoanble and using to justify not lynching djo, are the posts that you initially called bad. what's up with that? | ||
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On March 20 2014 18:24 DarthPunk wrote: The content is not reasonable necessarily. What IS reasonable is his willingness to take part in a productive discourse and interact with the thread. Which I feel is pretty clear from his final few posts on the second page of his filter. He is willing to talk with people such as you and rayn and is attempting to make his thought process clear etc. I still think he is scummy, I wrote a case on him that I believe in, but as I said, I would like to give him the chance to get his shit together as he is showing that he is willing to take part in a productive discourse. Whereas someone like GT is afking and Teh poofter either ignores or outright ignores my questions until I prod him to death, after which he finally answers my questions with outright lies and twists of the truth. Does that seem reasonable to you? not really, because those djo posts were so bad that it overrides the fact that he was at least here to make them. here is what you're saying scummy guy 1 doesn't show up scummy guy 2 shows up and says scummy stuff and then you're deciding that scummy guy 2 is being "reasonable" and is worth saving over #1? i think they should at least be equal in scumminess from your point of view, especially considering how any time you talk about anything djo says you call it scummy | ||
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On March 20 2014 18:28 DarthPunk wrote: Posts like this are the exact thing I am talking about. Why would you lynch djo over poofter or GT? what is your point, are you townreading him for that post or not? | ||
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On March 20 2014 18:31 DarthPunk wrote: Fuck no. That is not at all how I should think. Scummy guy one does inexplicable scummy shit and then afk's Scummy guy 2 makes reasonable effort to enter into a productive discourse with his accusers, is willing to answer questions and may prove to be town if given the time and space to hunt for scum and continue his present willingness to talk and communicate effectively. Which is exactly what djo has been doing. OK DP. so djo is willing to stick around and make posts, your argument is that he is willing to allow himself to be read and so we should take advantage of that. so why don't you that? those earlier posts that he was 'reasonable' for making, you gave him a scumread for. at what point do you actually decide that a person who in your oopinion, continues posting scummy things, might actually deserve to be lynched? you are just repeating over and over that djo should be given more time to make posts, then when he makes posts you call the posts scummy but say he should be given more time. is there anything in djo's filter that should eliminate him as a lynch candidate. do not say anything about the fact that he is still posting unless you are going to call any of those posts townie | ||
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On March 20 2014 19:31 Palmar wrote: So neither seems to imply you have done extensive scumhunting this game. that should be obvious because of how i've mainly decided lynch targets by PoE but, I DO think djodref is mafia. Koshi's point is something I was thinking about before koshi said it. since then I have talked to djodref, have you caught up to that conversation yet? since he's backed off the weird rayn tunnel he's started inquiries into the people voting for him, but his conclusions about those votes don't make any sense and do not seem like real reads. he initially says that the koshi votecan be excused as a non-scummy vote because koshi is a town read. that heavily implies that oats and thrawn WEREN'T town reads. I asked him to explain why he wasn't reading oats/thrawn as town, and he replies by saying that he DID think they were town. so he thinks all of the people voting for him are town, except that he's gonna call thrawn's and oat's votes scummy..... why? (my guess is that it's because koshi is so obviously town to the rest of the thread that he was scared to raise any suspicion against him) he did an ok job of justifying that stance later, but it was only AFTER I called him out on his nonsensical position. and during all of this he has constantly stated that he knows he deserves to be lynched for his play. so why does he think it so strange that oats and I are voting for him? on top of all of that he doesnt talk about the D1 lynch. he doesn't say anything about if he's ok with either the GT or tehpoofter lynch. he claims that he is spending his time analyzing his wagon but he is doing that at the expense of actually trying to figure out who he wants to be the D1 lynch. Looks at his filter. Do you have any fucking clue where his vote might end up? He couldn't be caring any less about the lynch than he is, for the entirety of hsi play. -opens by talking about his weird rayn on rayn, even though he admits it's a pointless thing to talk about. but then he only talks about it for half the day. -proceeds to talk about the people voting for him, none of which are likely to be lynched, while he doesn't talk about the actualy likely lynch candidates so he doesn't care about lynching mafia! | ||
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-the post where he angrily wrote out his schedule - this post which is pretty absurd when you read it in context. he comes in asking me to talk about his scumreads, then when I do that I'm being sketchy as fuck and antagonistic because I disagree with his reads or something? | ||
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On March 21 2014 03:53 Vivax wrote: Dunno yet, just came back and saw all this stuff, still gotta figure out who jumped on me and why, but wagon based on such "scumslips" raises scums appetite for a mislynch. i want to point out that djodref popped in and said "the vivax lynch looks legit" and said he was going to check the timestamps and then vote for vivax if the timestamps check out. he hasn't done this. there is no mention of vivax in djo's filter prior to the post i'm referring to so djo's willingness to join this vivax wagon is COMPLETELY because of the "lie." except he didn't actually follow up and join the wagon so I do not know if he was being serious so in other words i'm still strongly considering lynching djo | ||
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On March 21 2014 05:14 Djodref wrote: I'm here back from work and finally at home. I'm fine with Vivax lynch even if I haven't properly caught up with the thread yet. I have skimmed through it and I don't feel like I missed anything major since rayn push on Vivax. Preparing my MS paint vote now do you think vivax will flip mafia? | ||
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On March 21 2014 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I checked Vivax' games from the database. When he is lynched as town he fights to the end. When he is mafia he quits. mebbe he is hitler | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:14 thrawn2112 wrote: i'd probably lynch out of this group right now 4. djodref 6. VisceraEyes 8. Vivax 15. Alakaslam cept alakslam, probably | ||
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On March 21 2014 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Roleblocker is an important role. Unvoting to gauge thread sentiment and immediately revoting is certainly viable if you're scum. Just calm down and wait until I read your interactions before you start tunneling plz. you've dropped my name as potential scum a few times before this, so you MUST have some reasons why you think I'm mafia. reasons that aren't about the voting thing. | ||
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On March 21 2014 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have a problem because there is some scum(mers) hiding somewhere and i don't know where. I refuse to believe both of Djodref and GT are mafia because it does not make any sense. And even if they are there is still at least one scum somewhere and i don't know where. plz halp guis! why aren't you allowed to call ve mafia | ||
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On March 21 2014 11:37 DarthPunk wrote: And I caught djo so if it is related to him I am the expert  do you remember the mostly useless thing he did there instead of real scumhunting? | ||
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On March 21 2014 11:42 DarthPunk wrote: I am reading his posts now. Slow reader remember. I actually liked This post. It shows he is thinking about the game and like the mindset he has while writing this doesn't seem like a natural train of thought for mafia to fake. i was going to say that this post and the ones that followed are like what he did in mario, talking about weird theories instead of doing real scumhunting | ||
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mainly because he's been pretty harmless and has tried to cooperate in his own hopeless1der kind of way. the way he sheeps looks a lot more like town sheeping than scum sheeping but my own subjective reasoning is that during that conversation where vivax and I argued about reads, he tried to convince me hopeless was mafia. the arguments he brought up didn't even make me me reconsider my read, and if hopeless is mafia, then vivax WOULD have been able to at least make me doubt hopeless's alignment, because vivax would know exactly why hopeless was mafia. same reason tehpoofter is town. (not just because of the timing of vivax's thrawn push and tehpoofter push) vivax's case for a scum tehpoofter was extremely weak, and if he was bussing it wouldn't have been extremly weak because vivax would have had the extra information needed to know why tehpoofter was mafia. his hopeless and tehpoofter cases were shitty cases because they were cases made by mafia about townies. | ||
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On March 21 2014 13:29 thrawn2112 wrote: holyflare do you know what the difference is between my arguing with vivax and your argunig with vivax? i will answer both of us had made noise about vivax maybe being scum. i had picked him through PoE, you had said some stuff about some of his posts. i dont remember what your read was prior to that convo but at least the seeds were there for you to be able to see vivax as mafia so the two of us argue with him. i argue about why his hopeless/tehpoofter reads sucked, you chimed in about his tehpoofter reads. he became really defensive and snapped at both of us, when neither of us were being agro at all. I did let on that I thought he was mafia, but I defineitely was not interrogating him or anything like that. in fact he was probably driving the conversation so thrawn is part of this interaction and walks away with the conclusion of: On March 20 2014 13:06 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't know vivax. I still think tehpoofter is town and it's making me think you're pushing lynchbait, especially now since it's pretty obvious that you're not going to be able to tunnel me anymore. On March 20 2014 13:23 thrawn2112 wrote: if you think my implied undertone of "vivax is mafia" throughout this conversation is antagonistic then you probably ARE mafia for being so defensive about it holyflare is part of this interaction and walks away with the conclusion of: On March 20 2014 15:46 Holyflare wrote: Dp is scum and if you read his filter you'd know it. He even just tried to give you an out "if you are town prove it" despite previously calling you 100% scum, a liar that is scum etc etc. Vivax.. Idk he's asking for your reads so meh you dont mention anything about this wierd interaction with vivax you just had and you go on to tunnel dp. then later you protest the vivax lynch by attacking the points against vivax while never actually saying you think vivax is town. bascially you don't give a shit about actually trying to figure out vivax's alignment. you see why I think that's a bit odd? | ||
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On March 21 2014 13:46 Holyflare wrote: yes thrawn but there's 1 simple answer, i didn't read any of his case and i didn't draw any conclusions from it because i didn't care at the time i was writing the dp case (as you can see the next page) i was just responding in real time to his random points exactly. you didn't give a shit about tying to help us figure out vivax's alignment. | ||
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On March 21 2014 14:11 Holyflare wrote: anyway thrawn: thrawn, let's continue our discussion! are you still thinking the dp push on djo was weird? if so what do you make of the fact that 2 targets he pushed yesterday djo and giggle are now considered by him to be "only 1 scum and 1 town" for no reason whatsoever? yes, but if i'm going to go down that route then my first stop will have to be lynching djodref. as to the second part, i don't know what you're referencing | ||
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On March 21 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Djodref are you seriously saying this game is almost 140 pages and you can't point out any posts regarding your reads? despite having read it 3 times | ||
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On March 21 2014 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okya i have now decided Holyflare is insane town. There is one person who can produce 20 pages of at least semi-related content until N1 as mafia and that's not Holyflare. i'm fine with working with this assumption for a few cycles | ||
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On March 21 2014 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi why do you think thrawn is mafia? There are a lot of posts where he explains his reads and later on thrawn has been working more in the backgrounds like a "back-up" as town. I think this looks more like it, there is no scum agenda. this is pretty much what i do. when i have town reads that i think are capable of solving the game then there is no need for me to take the leadership position I did in wc2. so i just do things i think will help town even if they aren't the kinds of things that typically lead to me pushing my own lynches or leadery stuff like that. i think koshi has misread me like this before. his first impression of me was wc2 so he expects me to play like that every game | ||
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my reasons for changing that read at that time was that I liked the way hopeless carried himself whenever he returened to the thread (after my q/a session with him) and he did ok under pressure as for my current town read on hopeless.. a lot of what palmar just said about hopeless is why I'm townreading him. he's just... kinda harmless so far? not only harmless, but he DID sheep the right wagon. I think I explained earlier that I think there is a difference between town sheeping and scum sheeping, scum selectively sheep according to their mafia agenda, while town will often sheep quite willy nilly, which is closer to how hopeless has been sheeping. there doesn't seem to be any malicious agenda behind it. it's simply sheeping for the sake of sheeping, which is actually a pretty good and townie strategy depending on what type of player you are. rayn and other people are talking about how helpful and enlightening hopeless can be as town and I disagree with that. | ||
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On March 20 2014 00:35 Giggletummy wrote: Flare/hopeless, and to a lesser extent DP. hopeless, do you tend to AFK or lurk as mafia? More than town games? Flare, after hopeless answers, do you agree with hopeless's answer? I see you calling out what town/scum DP does, what other people do, but if hopeless is actually known for being lurky/AFK as mafia, why would you not just wait for a clear scumtell in a little bit? On March 20 2014 00:37 Giggletummy wrote: nm on that last question, there's some other comments about mafia hopeless activity I think these posts are interesting. Post #1: GGT wants hopeless to describe his own meta, and wants holyflare to comment on what hopeless says. Now why would GGT be doing this? He is scumreading both of those players, so he is trying to question his scumreads as to get better reads on them. Post #2: GGT realizes that people have already commented about hopeless's meta, so he rescinds his earlier questions. This is strange because the purpose of GGT's first questions WEREN'T ONLY to learn about hopeless meta. If GGT was only interested in hopeless meta he wouldn't have specifically asked those questions to his his top scumreads. He could have just asked the entire thread or gone and looked up the information himself. The only possible reasons for those questions are to either gather info from his scumreads (if GGT is town) or to appear like he's trying to gather info on his scumreads (if he's scum). But he rescinds the question! So he's not interested in what scumread hopeless has to say about his own meta, and he's not interested in what scumread holyflare has to say about what hopeless says. So he's trying to appear like he is questioning his scumreads and not actually trying to question them? | ||
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On March 22 2014 00:28 Palmar wrote: Are you saying I'm making a big mistake not calling his mafia? hard to say. there are mistakes and there are mistakes | ||
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On March 22 2014 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn did you watch the video mafia game some weeks ago where me and VE lynched Oats in LYLO? nope | ||
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On March 22 2014 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: MYLO 4 people alive one guy who looks really scummy and Oats and VE who is basically confirmed town: rayn: "goddamn this is so fucking hard because this other dude is so scummy, should we just lynch him" VE: "i know rayn, i know.. what do you suggest?" rayn: "look here is the thing. Oats looks so town but when he is town he does not look town for reasons he should look town for. he looks town because he does this weird shit that does not make sense to anyone and he focuses on stuff that should not look town to people in general. basically in this game he has said stuff that makes sense and looks "townie" but that does not really make Oats town, in fact it makes him more scum." VE: "so what to do.." rayn: "fucking shit the problem is i don't know" VE: "haha i feel you!" rayn: "I have made my decision let's YOLO Oats!" VE: "okay fuckit!" town wins. That's exactly what Oats does in forum games aswell.. *sigh* yeah ok I understand. I'm not sure that I've played with scum Oats before? But I can imagine that's what he'd probably be like. I'd still rather lynch djo first, even though I can sorta see the possibility of a double buss. Neither of them have done much lately except talk about the other. | ||
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On March 22 2014 02:59 Hopeless1der wrote: sorry missed it.. Yeah, I do, the bestest is how he says he's completely off the wall. - didnt read about people's posts on vivax - called vivax scum - defended vivax - tunnels DP into oblivion - p.s. hopeless totes scum i proved it 5 times go read my filter - Guys go check out oats filter --> I meant thrawns filter, are you dumb? THAT WAS SARCASM WTF No I was totes serious. Sarcasm again Gawd you guys are bad. that's not a reason, just a list of stuff | ||
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On March 22 2014 04:59 Giggletummy wrote: No big rant on VE because VE's night has put a kink in him being mafia. I call him out, because he hasn't read my filter while voting, because he's misrepresenting what I said/what I was talking about, and for town sentiment on Vivax when he doesn't appear to be following thread and never points to anything in particular. People like this, VE moves up the suspect ladder. Regardless of alignment, there's now more pressure on him. He interacts with you a little, with Palmar a decent bit, during the night, but his only interaction with me is basically to continue sniping at the same points he made before. When I direct him to the pages scooby doo is relevant to, and my comment is relevant to, he appears not to have read up on them, not gone and looked, to basically be in the same spot he was in before. I am not sure that I have played with mafia VE, but I don't believe that mafia VE is so cool as to talk more with other folks than myself, and when talking to myself, to basically just ignore that he's misrepresenting what I've done, even as pressure was greater on him than before. His continued misrepresentation reads less malignant and more "VE wasn't around and doesn't know what was happening and is making incorrect statements and not updating them because he's just not focused." I checked recent games, and he's been lynched early as town for essentially not participating/being focused in a couple. Gives me pause. It's not a towntell, because VE may just be less focused on mafia right now, regardless of alignment, and so he's just uninvolved regardless of his role PM. But it's enough, combined with the way he kept going at me about the same thing, to make me less scummy on him. the reasons you just gave for finding VE less scummy after the night don't have anything to do with the reasons you initially found him scummy for. liek you found him scummy for misrepresenting you, for a weird read on vivax, etc. but having a town meta of being a lazy shouldn't absolve those things right? | ||
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On March 22 2014 05:12 Hopeless1der wrote: do you think he knew rayn was lying to him about votecounts and deadlines? really? it takes about 10 seconds to confirm if rayn was telling the truth. i dont even need to check the timestamps to be confident about saying that alakaslam had more than enough time to figure out if rayn was bs'ing. slam is a devious guy and if he were mafia i would completely expect him to play along with rayn. and look at how he responded to rayn and then what he does afterwards. he drops the "i'm an unreadable fish" act and becomes completely serious in his response to rayn, as if he actually cares about the game and helping town and is he's actually been "fooled" by rayn. then when the pressure is over (rayn is no longer worried about him) he posts about TL banner ads for the rest of his filter. so he obviously doesn't care about the game or helping town | ||
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On March 22 2014 05:22 Giggletummy wrote: I have seen slam be weird but I do not think I have seen him be sneaky or subversive. His scum game that I have seen is just to be a little wacky and trolly and try to look like normal. On March 12 2014 08:35 Alakaslam wrote: Rayn Do not h8 me but I shall beat dead horse With the mule role I would have been over the moon "Zeal Palace" would be running through my head as I thought up all the SVENGALI I could pull, the town looks I could pull off by being uninformed and not deciding the NK, the way I would save messing with HARI SELDON, and heck- I know I couldn't have emulated my current play, but HARI was wrong! I could have used that for Svengali, I could have done exactly what I do as town- wrote him off entirely as host WIFOM, (heck that might have been towncred!) it seems so bamcis a role I would probably looked TOO happy and devious and got lynched d1 XD Finally, as it was you basically had me fooled ... I am serious you did | ||
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On March 22 2014 07:29 Djodref wrote: Well, if you have us both as scum, it would mean that mafia decided to devise the perfect suicide plan from the beginning of the game. Do you think mafia decided to shoot oneself in the foot like that ? What do you think of my latest points against Oats ? I dont know how they make him mafia | ||
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On March 22 2014 07:44 Djodref wrote: So why are you saying we are bussing each other ? Am I poorly bussing my partner on purpose ? What about Oats defending GT in the second page of his filter then ? And please tell me that you are not seriously consider both of us being mafia I don't know about that GGT point because I'm pretty sure I defended him way earlier too. | ||
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On March 23 2014 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alakaslam - happy town and doesn't know what's going on why can't mafia not know what's going on? or do you really believe you told him the "lie" and he spent 23 minutes writing the most legible alakaslam post I've ever seen yet failed to confirm if you were telling the truth? or if that even matters, as even if he was scum and he believed you he could have written the exact same response? | ||
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On March 23 2014 05:07 thrawn2112 wrote: if i wasn't sure about my read on palmar I wouldn't be sure about anything in this game this is one of my reasons for voting VE. he claims to not care about his read on palmar. if I had any doubts about palmar's alignment then it would be my first priority to sort them out and the game wouldn't make any sense until i'd reached a conclusion another reason is that from my own personal experience, scum VE treats townies rudely. oh and and I like palmar's case but not really for the reasons that palmar likes palmar's case. I don't care about who called VE scum when and who can prove what, because I'm pretty sure many people have called him scum or at least left him off town lists for much of this game. So it's reasonable for him, at any point in the game, to assume people are suspicious of him. But what's scummy is his sensitivity to the fact that people may or may not be scumreading him. | ||
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On March 23 2014 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not being an asshole, I'm stating fact. Look, what did GT flip? GF? So you're saying that you think that I'm the most likely candidate for scum instead of someone who did NOT vote for the scum GF OR Vivax yesterday. Like, it's true that I wasn't on the Vivax lynch which flipped scum - but you're saying that you think that I, as scum, drew attention to myself AND my GF by being on the WRONG lynch, and being on my GF instead. I can't argue with people who are using this logic thrawn. So I'm not even going to try. calling GT mafia has been the cool thing to do all game, i don't know what you're talking about. you get no town points for that if that's what you're asking for/ | ||
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On March 23 2014 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Like thrawn why are you so mad? I didn't even talk any shit to you LOL hm? | ||
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On March 23 2014 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE can easily not care as town. Sad but true.  no I meant about slam | ||
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On March 23 2014 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i think he would have not written the same response as mafia and i would expect him to know what's going on in the game if he was mafia. why? you're saying that if slam doesn't know what's going on then he can ONLY be town. why is this true? you're saying it for no reason. if town slam doesn't read the thread or give a shit, what makes you think that a scum slam isn't capable of the same? and like VE said he apparently DOES know more about the game than he is letting on | ||
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On March 23 2014 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Posts like this make it seem like you're angry with me about something. I can't figure out what it is you think I did to you. i'm not | ||
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whatever about meta though. he's been unable to talk about anything except djo for how long now? mid way through D1? | ||
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"omgus.net plays tlmafia gets banned D1!" or something similar | ||
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On March 23 2014 10:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Wtf thrawn. I dont see any legit reasons why im scum,only a totally contrived reason that is extrapolated into something huge. we need to hear all of your thoughts on the game. all i know is what you think of djodref and some stuff about slam being mafia through poe. do you think slam is scum? do you have reasons for thinking this? if it's just PoE then you need to explain the townreads you must have on everyone else. and i'd still like you to give reasons for that answer of hopeless/whoever alternate scum you mentioned earlier | ||
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On March 23 2014 10:59 Tehpoofter wrote: So you think he is being useful but not and thats scummy but he has a not useful town play?... can you explain his meta more like what is the difference basically he does useful things but they don't end up helping town? is what im getting. I want to bw with rayn and just let him carry me to victory but I am still not sold that its Oats as of yet. I passed out last night reading his filter and at work hard to have time to sit down and read it all. i don't really think it'd be a useful convo unless you're willing to read foundation mini, then several other of oat's town games. | ||
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On March 23 2014 11:09 Tehpoofter wrote: @thrawn fair enough I'm not going to read that. I'll just read Oats filter some more. I read Slam's. ...any thoughts? | ||
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On March 23 2014 07:40 thrawn2112 wrote: hey oats, if djo is town, who do you tink would be mafia? On March 23 2014 07:41 Oatsmaster wrote: bleh I dont know man. Probably VE or Hopeless. On March 23 2014 07:43 thrawn2112 wrote: reasons? .... no answer On March 23 2014 10:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Wtf thrawn. I dont see any legit reasons why im scum,only a totally contrived reason that is extrapolated into something huge. On March 23 2014 10:55 thrawn2112 wrote: we need to hear all of your thoughts on the game. all i know is what you think of djodref and some stuff about slam being mafia through poe. do you think slam is scum? do you have reasons for thinking this? if it's just PoE then you need to explain the townreads you must have on everyone else. and i'd still like you to give reasons for that answer of hopeless/whoever alternate scum you mentioned earlier ... no answer | ||
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On March 23 2014 12:26 Tehpoofter wrote: @thrawn who is likely to be a bigger asset to town late game assuming they're not actually scum... Oats or Slam? To me it seems like Oats has stepped up and done town things Slam I have yet to see that from and at a lylo situation or something I want to not have Slam around as DP pointed out. obviously oats. but that shouldnt be a concern right now because we had a good vig shot and D1 scum lynch. this fuckn sucks tho, the two of them don't talk enough | ||
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so yeah, i'm mostly waiting on whatever oats has to say next. it's not like I oppose a slam lynch or anything like that. | ||
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i think i've asked this same question several times already, just framed differently each time and you haven;t ansewred. we need to see as much of your thoughts on the game as possible. the problem is that you've spent most of the game talking about djo, and since your alternate lynch is slam then there's not much discussion that can happen about your scumreads. soo.... I guess you can answer the questions I asked earlier? | ||
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On March 24 2014 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote: So am I still scum thrawn? Oh yeah another reason im town is that I essentially traded 1 for 1 with djo and left the scum team with the last guy. Not the best play ever. I don't know. Right now I doubt it, and I need to think about hopeless/tehpoofter/VE and maybe maybe palmar first. And yes, slam is probably mafia for his lack of vote. It's cool for him to not read and sheep rayn's suspicion of DP but he didn't follow through with his expressed intent to sheep rayn's vote near the end? | ||
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GT >> HF, (hopeless) vivax >> TEHPOOFT, (thrawn, hopeless, ggt) main pushes are first, minor pushes in parenthesis in order of how much x was pushed that's just for D1, i dont remember what GGT did during n1 | ||
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On March 24 2014 17:53 Tehpoofter wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4pCGHEel.png) I have stated this is where I am currently. Sleep time now! +1, mostly | ||
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before you started grilling me i was slightly townreading you but I did NOT want you to know that. I was scared of your scum play so I decided not to let you know about my read. so when you started asking why i wasn't townreading you, i felt so scummy it was a really weird conversation for me, and I was drunk so that did not help. | ||
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On March 19 2014 06:17 thrawn2112 wrote: did anyone know what this was? it was supposed to be a town claim | ||
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