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ok I think I remembered why i eliminated Dp and not hf
DP - some scummy things about him, but I can understand the reasons why he'd be doing those things and those reasons are holyflare's fault
hf - some scummy things about him, and I cannot figure out why he'd be doing those things (later he commented that he just enjoys trolling DP, this probably makes him more town than I thought as it at least provides some justification for his behavior)
so yes, I had reasons for not trusting either of them, but DP was the one I could sympathize with and possibly understand
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The reasoning looks pretty genuine. There's still the thing about hopeless and giggletummy I wanna talk about though.Do you think that his way of jumping on giggle could come from a townie, ie sheeping a guy on another guy whose posts you didn't read previously despite having declared an interest into doing so.
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You guys are getting rolled by dp and it's hilarious, will explain when i wake up.
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are you talking about hopeless jumping on giggles? i don't remember what you are talking about
" ie sheeping a guy on another guy whose posts you didn't read previously despite having declared an interest into doing so."
are you talking about hopeless sheeping VE's reason to lynch giggle?
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On March 19 2014 12:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
Koshi gets town for being the first on that "shut up about rayn and coag" train. Trying to get other reads going.
Thrawn comes in with the vote on coag and doesnt say anything else but one little post which I believe coag pointed out which moved him from scummy to more fence.
Coag vs Rayn the fight of the century: I think Rayn looks more town for bitching out and afk voting seems like a poor mafia play. Coag tried to defend himself really early super hard but seemed town the further it got into the day he actually stopped tunneling but his initial reaction just read scummy to me.
Palmer I'm null on what he said he kinda ducked out of the whole early game thing and didnt add enough for me to gain alignment from.
I liked Holyflare's case on DP it at least seemed like he took the time to read between the lines a bit. DP seems to discredit this as being a shit read but if it was shitty I'm buying the shit at least for now so sign me up!!!
On March 19 2014 13:34 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 12:03 Tehpoofter wrote:
Reasons to come for some of them except VE, he is my most scummy because he tells me hes good then doesn't talk at all bump that lurking bullshit. Yeah I don't have a real read on VE. I said that in the post it was a bullshit read cause I don't have any scum. ITs a ping. VE is why I'm even in this game. I wanted to see him in the game doing things cause he is the one who wanted me to play its not like I voted for him. Cool your jets DP I'm town.
On March 20 2014 07:17 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
tehpoofter - is not reading properly, refuses to answer simple questions
What questions did I miss? I'm assuming its the one about my thoughts on GT/Hopeless and why they weren't in my original reads.
At the time I didn't read GT cause he was in that limbo of "content to come brb" so I was waiting on that. The Hopeless information had a lot to do with other games and meta like the 'scooby doo' game. I don't know what that is and am far too lazy to read another game on a day 1 early read so I abstained from it. That was at the time. More on this subject to come. My read on VE has changed since he talked I like him as town he seemed objective on me and I think brought up a good case on GT. To explain again for rayn cause he is reading way more town through the re-read than yesterday, I wanted to hear him talk cause i have reads on him from other types of mafia and if I read him I can base my reads around that getting the alignment of one can give me more and thats how I play mafia.
On March 20 2014 10:32 Tehpoofter wrote:
@DP Suffice it to say I was reading HF town because he wasnt talking about Rayn Coag in the first 3 hours that is also why I have a town read on Koshi (early town read) That was basically all I was saying I phrased it poorly so I understand your confusion.
From first quote:
Coag vs Rayn the fight of the century: I think Rayn looks more town for bitching out and afk voting seems like a poor mafia play. Coag tried to defend himself really early super hard but seemed town the further it got into the day he actually stopped tunneling but his initial reaction just read scummy to me.
This dude is probably scum. Unless he posts some bombastic reasons for trying to get pressure off him that way from his SCUMREAD then there's hardly a way he could convince me of the opposite.
He agrees with HF's case in the post, tries to calm down his alleged scumread a bit later. Says townies wouldn't talk about Rayn + Coag, but does it himself? How do you use reasoning that doesn't apply to you when you know you're town? Answer: It's when you need to find some bs reason to justify a read.
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On March 20 2014 12:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
are you talking about hopeless jumping on giggles? i don't remember what you are talking about
" ie sheeping a guy on another guy whose posts you didn't read previously despite having declared an interest into doing so."
are you talking about hopeless sheeping VE's reason to lynch giggle?
Last part of THIS post, thrawn. GT delivered the followup when hopeless posted that he was still waiting for it, then hopeless sheeped a point made by VE without taking the followup into consideration on his own.
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On March 20 2014 12:37 Holyflare wrote:
You guys are getting rolled by dp and it's hilarious, will explain when i wake up.
Didn't know you played mafia while sleepwalking.
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No vivax, that doesn't strike me as something outside the realm of all possible town play.
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Another point on TehPoofter is the way he agreed with that HF case. There's the part where HF uses the "I don't policy lynch" argument from DP, which was from one year ago. A lot of HF's points initially weren't even serious, yet TP +1s the case without at least criticizing a part of it, like for example Koshi did, who said he found some parts good and some parts bad. That is the opinion I would expect from a townie.
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On March 20 2014 12:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
No vivax, that doesn't strike me as something outside the realm of all possible town play.
But it should strike you as something in the realm of very probable scum play, unless you can convince me that there's something in his filter that is a reliable town tell compared to those posts from him.
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I don't know vivax. I still think tehpoofter is town and it's making me think you're pushing lynchbait, especially now since it's pretty obvious that you're not going to be able to tunnel me anymore.
Can you explain the main part of your case? This:
"He agrees with HF's case in the post, tries to calm down his alleged scumread a bit later. Says townies wouldn't talk about Rayn + Coag, but does it himself? How do you use reasoning that doesn't apply to you when you know you're town? Answer: It's when you need to find some bs reason to justify a read."
(as an aside, when you say "his alleged scumread" instead of naming the alleged scumread it makes it hard for me to follow the argument)
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I do x, I know I'm town. I say some dude is town cause he didn't do x. Does it finally ring?
The alleged scumread is DP cause he agreed on HF's case to its full extent.
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On March 20 2014 13:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 12:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
No vivax, that doesn't strike me as something outside the realm of all possible town play. But it should strike you as something in the realm of very probable scum play, unless you can convince me that there's something in his filter that is a reliable town tell compared to those posts from him.
no, I won't even grant you that. I'm town and there are massive portions of the early game I haven't read. i've had to explain the gaps between my reads multiple times in the game so far, because I never explained them to begin with. so I KNOW that townies are capable of doing the things you are accusing hopeless of being scum for.
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uh vivax you can think someone is town because they did something that you didn't do, what's the problem with that?
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Thrawn, start saying who is scum and not do other shit please. The people I accuse can defend themselves on their own, while your reasoning above looked like it would be from an authentic thought process, it's sketchy as fuck that all you're doing is antagonizing me and being exceptionally thick on the points on TehPoofter.
Unless you have some superduper evidence that TehPoofter and hopeless are not scum and are willing to present it, then you can gently fuck off instead of saying "BUT IT COULD BE TOWN" 100 times. What you're doing is in no way productive, it only tries to discredit and keep doubt up.
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On March 20 2014 13:08 Vivax wrote:
I do x, I know I'm town. I say some dude is town cause he didn't do x. Does it finally ring?
The alleged scumread is DP cause he agreed on HF's case to its full extent.
OK so X is talking about Coag vs Rayn right?
OK so here is my interpretation of that. tehpoofter is not claiming that townies won't talk about coag vs rayn. His statement "Suffice it to say I was reading HF town because he wasnt talking about Rayn Coag in the first 3 hours" is related to his statement about "reading between lines," the last of which he later admitted to being a terrible miscomminication. HF "reading between the lines" means that holyflare was interested in things other than the "lines," or "the main issue in the thread." So he townread holyflare not because townies don't talk about rayn vs coag, but because HF showing interest in more than just the thread's main issue is townie.
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On March 20 2014 13:14 Holyflare wrote:
uh vivax you can think someone is town because they did something that you didn't do, what's the problem with that?
And the other point, and the other one?
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On March 20 2014 13:17 Vivax wrote:
Thrawn, start saying who is scum and not do other shit please. The people I accuse can defend themselves on their own, while your reasoning above looked like it would be from an authentic thought process, it's sketchy as fuck that all you're doing is antagonizing me and being exceptionally thick on the points on TehPoofter.
Unless you have some superduper evidence that TehPoofter and hopeless are not scum and are willing to present it, then you can gently fuck off instead of saying "BUT IT COULD BE TOWN" 100 times. What you're doing is in no way productive, it only tries to discredit and keep doubt up.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, how am I antagonizing you?
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if you think my implied undertone of "vivax is mafia" throughout this conversation is antagonistic then you probably ARE mafia for being so defensive about it
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