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I don't support politics in general/I won't be voting but I fail to see how anyone thinks Hilary would help them as an individual. Just take a look at where her money comes from and you'll see who benefits from her entering office.
The only other people she helps a lot are the people getting handouts in my state while I have to pay for them but I'm not going to talk about that again.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Clinton is less likely to do certain bad things (like a complete government shutdown) than Cruz, and less likely to do certain other bad things than Trump. I rarely feel excited about voting for national-level politicians, but I will still carry out my civic duty as a citizen and cast a vote in this presidential election. If we had a top 2 runoff style system like many countries do, I'd vote for a 3rd party candidate like Jill Stein in the first round. Since we don't, I will likely be voting for Clinton. If Sanders wins the nomination, I guess I'll vote for him, though I personally am not a big fan of his tax policies. Although, as President, he has no control over tax policies, I think he would lead the Democratic party in the wrong direction, especially if they have control of the legistlature.
Almost certainly btw the biggest changes are made at the local and state level, so if you're looking to get involved in politics, pay attention to that stuff. All the things you watch about on CNN about the Presidential election? Bullshit and has no impact on your life basically.
For example, many of the issues with government I face on a day to day basis are:
1. Problems with my commute / freeways / roadways, especially the onramp onto Hwy 101 at Page Mill Road.
2. Laws about development in my region drive up house prices a lot, increasing my rent
3. Non-compete clauses in employment contracts I want to sign
4. Problems with pricing in water, power, garbage collection, and so on
5. On my street, our sidewalks are dirt and gravel instead of concrete
6. Hoodlums broke into my friend's car when it was in front of my house and smashed his windshield in
7. There is a dead tree in the front yard I want to remove, but due to a bunch of laws it is illegal to remove trees from your yard. It is super dead and will probably fall and kill someone. I'm still not sure this makes it legal for me to remove the tree.
8. Potholes in the road make it hard to drive/bike to my parents' place
9. This guy has had his car parked in front of my house for like a week, what the heck man, park it in front of your own house, or at least rotate which house you're parking in front of. Also, please try to use up just one of the two spots in front of my place, not both. Wow.
10. I want the yard trimmings bin to also handle food scraps
11. I seem to spend a lot of money on sales tax and income tax. What's the deal with that broh
12. Man, why did that gelato place close down? Did it get to pricey for them? Can we make it so other businesses like them DON'T close down?
Etc etc
All of these problems are basically within the purview of state and local government. I pay attention and vote in my municipal elections etc but I know most people do not-- they get excited about some national-level politician, then either fail to vote or vote a straight party ticket on the local stuff when you really should not do that and instead pay attention. Your governor, state legislators, county supervisors, city council, mayor, etc all have a huge impact on your life, and it is your civic duty as a citizen to pay attention and vote properly on these races.
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That should be more incentive to not vote for Clinton. A shutdown or something similarly drastic is the only way to uproot the garbage system that is in place at the moment.
Are that many people really content with politics as usual? I thought the panama papers would wake up people a little but im constantly reminded how dumb the average american is.
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Democracy breeds mediocrity, but we don't have a better system. The western world also has it better than just about all other places on the earth so we can't really complain that much.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Eh, system works well enough for me, and all my complaints are addressable by state and local government. I could see how some of you guys might be into that kind of thing though, and more power to you for it. Hold fast to those ideals, they are noble.
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nh well my problem is the stagnation and the general let's not do anything until it's already broken and we're in it up to our necks
but tbh my interest is generally not local/state because i don't really have any immediate concerns. i'll never be someone who cares about a pothole or whether or not i have to walk in the grass or on a sidewalk. maybe if i lived somewhere other than a sleepy texas town
like the only local thing i've gotten upset about recently is religious nuts closing down planned parenthood in the area cause they help transport kids to abortion clinics. it's just super short-sighted when girls need prescriptions for effective birth control and let's just be honest >> guys often leave it to the women to handle that end. burying your head in the sand and preaching abstinence doesn't do much to effect the teen pregnancy rate
(although tbf there are things that i'd like to see done differently within planned parenthood anyway, so it's mostly just shutting it down with no real alternative except the parents that we all know teenagers won't go to, especially in the religious south)
but yeah. normally those things don't come up for me, and i'm usually most interested in international politics so the national election is of some interest...when i'm not so disgusted by it that my dutch boyfriend knows more about what's going on with it than i do lol
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bh you are totally wrong. whoever becomes president has a big impact on us and even a big impact internationally.
Do you think Al Gore would have gone to war with Iraq?
Do you think McCain would have enacted Obamacare?
etc
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He is saying those things dont affect him, which I agree with but its not my opinion to ignore it.
Our country going to war and some garbage insurance that I will never be a part of (united healthcare just dropped obamacare ayyyy lmao) don't affect my life at all.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Honestly, I don't know, but Obamacare doesn't really affect me in a significant way. Maybe it made my healthcare more expensive or something, but even with whatever added cost the ACA added, my healthcare is still quite cheap, and even so my employer pays for it. I am a full time salaried guy so Obamacare basically didn't do anything.
The war in Iraq certainly has changed international politics and was very, very expensive, but... well, I'm in a bracket that doesn't really get taxed a whole lot, and my tax rates haven't changed a lot. The people who I know in the armed services weren't involved in Iraq. The submarine my brother was on might have been doing something there, but his life was mostly the same I reckon: be inside a submarine and make sure the reactor is still running.
I'm sure in some vague sense these things affected me... but not nearly as much as, say, the rules that the local city council put in against adding new apartment buildings. These rules caused rents to skyrocket-- my rent has gone up by 50% over the course of the past 3 years! Also, they changed the rules about parking development downtown. Now, it is no longer required to build parking structures or parking lots to match the amount of parking needed to serve your office building or business. This means parking downtown is a shitshow during evenings. This probably wastes like 10+ minutes of my time three times a week, or 26 hours per year. It's even worse on weekends!
This isn't even accounting for all the really dumb shit they've done with public transport. I lived right by a train station and took the train to work for a couple years, and our train system is so poorly run it's astonishing. At least once a month there'd be several-hour delays. Going home, this was "okay", but going to work it was always a shitshow because half the office wouldn't be in on time since many of us relied on the train.
All of this stuff affects my life way more than the ACA or Iraq. If I were a beneficiary of the ACA, or if I were a soldier, yeah, that stuff would matter a lot-- and it does matter at least somewhat-- to me. But in my life, like 90% of problems caused by or fixable by the government are strictly local and state problems.
EDIT: this isn't to say the presidential election doesn't matter. I'm just saying: pay attention to your local stuff. Maybe you're fed up with the federal government and our presidential system, and you think the system needs to burn. Okay, fine, but in the meantime, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE pay attention to your local elections and like, elect a real mayor and city council rather than Aaron Aaronson who despite being literally a Communist Nazi always gets enough votes for a council seat because he's always at the top of the ballot alphabetically
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I'm too apathetic to even vote. If by age 30 I haven't figured out why I should even bother, chances are I'm not going to. My vote is meaningless, even state/local elections are rigged. It's all a giant fucking joke and I get really depressed around election time every year.
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BH we can't change anything at our state level most of the time.
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On April 21 2016 17:44 boxerfred wrote:
perm + account deletion please.
Never was even able to play with him.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Dang, that's pretty depressing to hear. Man, even if you think your vote us unlikely to change something, don't you feel you have a duty to the nation as a citizen to in good faith cast your vote for these elections in the best way possible? If not, I respect your decision, but I feel like it's my responsibility and civic duty to vote, so I will continue.
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On April 21 2016 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Honestly, I don't know, but Obamacare doesn't really affect me in a significant way. Maybe it made my healthcare more expensive or something, but even with whatever added cost the ACA added, my healthcare is still quite cheap, and even so my employer pays for it. I am a full time salaried guy so Obamacare basically didn't do anything.
The war in Iraq certainly has changed international politics and was very, very expensive, but... well, I'm in a bracket that doesn't really get taxed a whole lot, and my tax rates haven't changed a lot. The people who I know in the armed services weren't involved in Iraq. The submarine my brother was on might have been doing something there, but his life was mostly the same I reckon: be inside a submarine and make sure the reactor is still running.
I'm sure in some vague sense these things affected me... but not nearly as much as, say, the rules that the local city council put in against adding new apartment buildings. These rules caused rents to skyrocket-- my rent has gone up by 50% over the course of the past 3 years! Also, they changed the rules about parking development downtown. Now, it is no longer required to build parking structures or parking lots to match the amount of parking needed to serve your office building or business. This means parking downtown is a shitshow during evenings. This probably wastes like 10+ minutes of my time three times a week, or 26 hours per year. It's even worse on weekends!
This isn't even accounting for all the really dumb shit they've done with public transport. I lived right by a train station and took the train to work for a couple years, and our train system is so poorly run it's astonishing. At least once a month there'd be several-hour delays. Going home, this was "okay", but going to work it was always a shitshow because half the office wouldn't be in on time since many of us relied on the train.
All of this stuff affects my life way more than the ACA or Iraq. If I were a beneficiary of the ACA, or if I were a soldier, yeah, that stuff would matter a lot-- and it does matter at least somewhat-- to me. But in my life, like 90% of problems caused by or fixable by the government are strictly local and state problems.
EDIT: this isn't to say the presidential election doesn't matter. I'm just saying: pay attention to your local stuff. Maybe you're fed up with the federal government and our presidential system, and you think the system needs to burn. Okay, fine, but in the meantime, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE pay attention to your local elections and like, elect a real mayor and city council rather than Aaron Aaronson who despite being literally a Communist Nazi always gets enough votes for a council seat because he's always at the top of the ballot alphabetically
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You are a liar and a fraud.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On April 22 2016 08:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Honestly, I don't know, but Obamacare doesn't really affect me in a significant way. Maybe it made my healthcare more expensive or something, but even with whatever added cost the ACA added, my healthcare is still quite cheap, and even so my employer pays for it. I am a full time salaried guy so Obamacare basically didn't do anything.
The war in Iraq certainly has changed international politics and was very, very expensive, but... well, I'm in a bracket that doesn't really get taxed a whole lot, and my tax rates haven't changed a lot. The people who I know in the armed services weren't involved in Iraq. The submarine my brother was on might have been doing something there, but his life was mostly the same I reckon: be inside a submarine and make sure the reactor is still running.
I'm sure in some vague sense these things affected me... but not nearly as much as, say, the rules that the local city council put in against adding new apartment buildings. These rules caused rents to skyrocket-- my rent has gone up by 50% over the course of the past 3 years! Also, they changed the rules about parking development downtown. Now, it is no longer required to build parking structures or parking lots to match the amount of parking needed to serve your office building or business. This means parking downtown is a shitshow during evenings. This probably wastes like 10+ minutes of my time three times a week, or 26 hours per year. It's even worse on weekends!
This isn't even accounting for all the really dumb shit they've done with public transport. I lived right by a train station and took the train to work for a couple years, and our train system is so poorly run it's astonishing. At least once a month there'd be several-hour delays. Going home, this was "okay", but going to work it was always a shitshow because half the office wouldn't be in on time since many of us relied on the train.
All of this stuff affects my life way more than the ACA or Iraq. If I were a beneficiary of the ACA, or if I were a soldier, yeah, that stuff would matter a lot-- and it does matter at least somewhat-- to me. But in my life, like 90% of problems caused by or fixable by the government are strictly local and state problems.
EDIT: this isn't to say the presidential election doesn't matter. I'm just saying: pay attention to your local stuff. Maybe you're fed up with the federal government and our presidential system, and you think the system needs to burn. Okay, fine, but in the meantime, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE pay attention to your local elections and like, elect a real mayor and city council rather than Aaron Aaronson who despite being literally a Communist Nazi always gets enough votes for a council seat because he's always at the top of the ballot alphabetically You are a liar and a fraud.
Strong accusations for a man who doesn't know how to spell "Aaronson"
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On April 22 2016 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 08:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2016 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Honestly, I don't know, but Obamacare doesn't really affect me in a significant way. Maybe it made my healthcare more expensive or something, but even with whatever added cost the ACA added, my healthcare is still quite cheap, and even so my employer pays for it. I am a full time salaried guy so Obamacare basically didn't do anything.
The war in Iraq certainly has changed international politics and was very, very expensive, but... well, I'm in a bracket that doesn't really get taxed a whole lot, and my tax rates haven't changed a lot. The people who I know in the armed services weren't involved in Iraq. The submarine my brother was on might have been doing something there, but his life was mostly the same I reckon: be inside a submarine and make sure the reactor is still running.
I'm sure in some vague sense these things affected me... but not nearly as much as, say, the rules that the local city council put in against adding new apartment buildings. These rules caused rents to skyrocket-- my rent has gone up by 50% over the course of the past 3 years! Also, they changed the rules about parking development downtown. Now, it is no longer required to build parking structures or parking lots to match the amount of parking needed to serve your office building or business. This means parking downtown is a shitshow during evenings. This probably wastes like 10+ minutes of my time three times a week, or 26 hours per year. It's even worse on weekends!
This isn't even accounting for all the really dumb shit they've done with public transport. I lived right by a train station and took the train to work for a couple years, and our train system is so poorly run it's astonishing. At least once a month there'd be several-hour delays. Going home, this was "okay", but going to work it was always a shitshow because half the office wouldn't be in on time since many of us relied on the train.
All of this stuff affects my life way more than the ACA or Iraq. If I were a beneficiary of the ACA, or if I were a soldier, yeah, that stuff would matter a lot-- and it does matter at least somewhat-- to me. But in my life, like 90% of problems caused by or fixable by the government are strictly local and state problems.
EDIT: this isn't to say the presidential election doesn't matter. I'm just saying: pay attention to your local stuff. Maybe you're fed up with the federal government and our presidential system, and you think the system needs to burn. Okay, fine, but in the meantime, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE pay attention to your local elections and like, elect a real mayor and city council rather than Aaron Aaronson who despite being literally a Communist Nazi always gets enough votes for a council seat because he's always at the top of the ballot alphabetically You are a liar and a fraud. Strong accusations for a man who doesn't know how to spell "Aaronson"
I tried searching for an Aaron Aaronson, but google said this man doesn't exist.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On April 22 2016 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:On April 22 2016 08:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2016 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Honestly, I don't know, but Obamacare doesn't really affect me in a significant way. Maybe it made my healthcare more expensive or something, but even with whatever added cost the ACA added, my healthcare is still quite cheap, and even so my employer pays for it. I am a full time salaried guy so Obamacare basically didn't do anything.
The war in Iraq certainly has changed international politics and was very, very expensive, but... well, I'm in a bracket that doesn't really get taxed a whole lot, and my tax rates haven't changed a lot. The people who I know in the armed services weren't involved in Iraq. The submarine my brother was on might have been doing something there, but his life was mostly the same I reckon: be inside a submarine and make sure the reactor is still running.
I'm sure in some vague sense these things affected me... but not nearly as much as, say, the rules that the local city council put in against adding new apartment buildings. These rules caused rents to skyrocket-- my rent has gone up by 50% over the course of the past 3 years! Also, they changed the rules about parking development downtown. Now, it is no longer required to build parking structures or parking lots to match the amount of parking needed to serve your office building or business. This means parking downtown is a shitshow during evenings. This probably wastes like 10+ minutes of my time three times a week, or 26 hours per year. It's even worse on weekends!
This isn't even accounting for all the really dumb shit they've done with public transport. I lived right by a train station and took the train to work for a couple years, and our train system is so poorly run it's astonishing. At least once a month there'd be several-hour delays. Going home, this was "okay", but going to work it was always a shitshow because half the office wouldn't be in on time since many of us relied on the train.
All of this stuff affects my life way more than the ACA or Iraq. If I were a beneficiary of the ACA, or if I were a soldier, yeah, that stuff would matter a lot-- and it does matter at least somewhat-- to me. But in my life, like 90% of problems caused by or fixable by the government are strictly local and state problems.
EDIT: this isn't to say the presidential election doesn't matter. I'm just saying: pay attention to your local stuff. Maybe you're fed up with the federal government and our presidential system, and you think the system needs to burn. Okay, fine, but in the meantime, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE pay attention to your local elections and like, elect a real mayor and city council rather than Aaron Aaronson who despite being literally a Communist Nazi always gets enough votes for a council seat because he's always at the top of the ballot alphabetically You are a liar and a fraud. Strong accusations for a man who doesn't know how to spell "Aaronson" I tried searching for an Aaron Aaronson, but google said this man doesn't exist.
not only do plenty of Aaron Aaronsons exists, there's even a movie by that name
git gud
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On April 22 2016 09:07 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2016 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:On April 22 2016 08:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2016 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Honestly, I don't know, but Obamacare doesn't really affect me in a significant way. Maybe it made my healthcare more expensive or something, but even with whatever added cost the ACA added, my healthcare is still quite cheap, and even so my employer pays for it. I am a full time salaried guy so Obamacare basically didn't do anything.
The war in Iraq certainly has changed international politics and was very, very expensive, but... well, I'm in a bracket that doesn't really get taxed a whole lot, and my tax rates haven't changed a lot. The people who I know in the armed services weren't involved in Iraq. The submarine my brother was on might have been doing something there, but his life was mostly the same I reckon: be inside a submarine and make sure the reactor is still running.
I'm sure in some vague sense these things affected me... but not nearly as much as, say, the rules that the local city council put in against adding new apartment buildings. These rules caused rents to skyrocket-- my rent has gone up by 50% over the course of the past 3 years! Also, they changed the rules about parking development downtown. Now, it is no longer required to build parking structures or parking lots to match the amount of parking needed to serve your office building or business. This means parking downtown is a shitshow during evenings. This probably wastes like 10+ minutes of my time three times a week, or 26 hours per year. It's even worse on weekends!
This isn't even accounting for all the really dumb shit they've done with public transport. I lived right by a train station and took the train to work for a couple years, and our train system is so poorly run it's astonishing. At least once a month there'd be several-hour delays. Going home, this was "okay", but going to work it was always a shitshow because half the office wouldn't be in on time since many of us relied on the train.
All of this stuff affects my life way more than the ACA or Iraq. If I were a beneficiary of the ACA, or if I were a soldier, yeah, that stuff would matter a lot-- and it does matter at least somewhat-- to me. But in my life, like 90% of problems caused by or fixable by the government are strictly local and state problems.
EDIT: this isn't to say the presidential election doesn't matter. I'm just saying: pay attention to your local stuff. Maybe you're fed up with the federal government and our presidential system, and you think the system needs to burn. Okay, fine, but in the meantime, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE pay attention to your local elections and like, elect a real mayor and city council rather than Aaron Aaronson who despite being literally a Communist Nazi always gets enough votes for a council seat because he's always at the top of the ballot alphabetically You are a liar and a fraud. Strong accusations for a man who doesn't know how to spell "Aaronson" I tried searching for an Aaron Aaronson, but google said this man doesn't exist. not only do plenty of Aaron Aaronsons exists, there's even a movie by that namegit gud
u git gud.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On April 22 2016 09:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 09:07 Blazinghand wrote:On April 22 2016 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2016 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:On April 22 2016 08:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2016 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Honestly, I don't know, but Obamacare doesn't really affect me in a significant way. Maybe it made my healthcare more expensive or something, but even with whatever added cost the ACA added, my healthcare is still quite cheap, and even so my employer pays for it. I am a full time salaried guy so Obamacare basically didn't do anything.
The war in Iraq certainly has changed international politics and was very, very expensive, but... well, I'm in a bracket that doesn't really get taxed a whole lot, and my tax rates haven't changed a lot. The people who I know in the armed services weren't involved in Iraq. The submarine my brother was on might have been doing something there, but his life was mostly the same I reckon: be inside a submarine and make sure the reactor is still running.
I'm sure in some vague sense these things affected me... but not nearly as much as, say, the rules that the local city council put in against adding new apartment buildings. These rules caused rents to skyrocket-- my rent has gone up by 50% over the course of the past 3 years! Also, they changed the rules about parking development downtown. Now, it is no longer required to build parking structures or parking lots to match the amount of parking needed to serve your office building or business. This means parking downtown is a shitshow during evenings. This probably wastes like 10+ minutes of my time three times a week, or 26 hours per year. It's even worse on weekends!
This isn't even accounting for all the really dumb shit they've done with public transport. I lived right by a train station and took the train to work for a couple years, and our train system is so poorly run it's astonishing. At least once a month there'd be several-hour delays. Going home, this was "okay", but going to work it was always a shitshow because half the office wouldn't be in on time since many of us relied on the train.
All of this stuff affects my life way more than the ACA or Iraq. If I were a beneficiary of the ACA, or if I were a soldier, yeah, that stuff would matter a lot-- and it does matter at least somewhat-- to me. But in my life, like 90% of problems caused by or fixable by the government are strictly local and state problems.
EDIT: this isn't to say the presidential election doesn't matter. I'm just saying: pay attention to your local stuff. Maybe you're fed up with the federal government and our presidential system, and you think the system needs to burn. Okay, fine, but in the meantime, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE pay attention to your local elections and like, elect a real mayor and city council rather than Aaron Aaronson who despite being literally a Communist Nazi always gets enough votes for a council seat because he's always at the top of the ballot alphabetically You are a liar and a fraud. Strong accusations for a man who doesn't know how to spell "Aaronson" I tried searching for an Aaron Aaronson, but google said this man doesn't exist. not only do plenty of Aaron Aaronsons exists, there's even a movie by that namegit gud u git gud.
ahhh, erm, yeah, midsummer, or summer solstice, of, uh, 2016. Heh. Yeah, let's go with that.
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