EPTGolden Sun: The Broken Seal Mini Mafia - Page 85
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
I still want to note that WoS was "defending" blubbdavid without every defending him, last minute voted, and peaced without trying to convince anyone. Get around what he said-- take a look at what he did. He didn't actually try to convince anyone. If he really thought BD was town, where was the defense? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
I think WoS definitely deserves further analysis, but also think Sn0_man needs to be further looked into at all. However I am confident enough in kush to delay Sn0 for a later moment. | ||
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
On September 15 2013 05:59 Pandain wrote: The talking about whether OP is SK or Survivor is useless and doesn't affect us. There's no way to definitely tell the difference as they're both third party and have the same motives (survive at all costs), as well as help get rid of people who threaten them. I don't think there's much use in the speculation, I agree with vayne's analysis of leave him as a back-up lynch in case we're uncertain on who to lynch. As for me Furthermore anyone who thinks I'm scum ignores the fact that I have been suspicious of Zealos before and even posted this here. Also quote of mine: I was like the first one(I think, or at least significant one) to actually analyze Zealos and point out suspicious behaviors besides just generic "being useless." I had switched to Zealos(why even encourage that bandwagon in the first place if I never wanted him to be lynched, it easily could have gone out of my control if I was scum.) In fact, I hadn't realized OP had voted, and thought that he was going to be lynched instead of zealous. I would rather have had blubbers lynched instead of OP which is why I changed my vote. I don't know how I would have voted between blubbers and zealous. Zealos 2, OP 5 Zealos 3, OP 4 Zealos 4, OP 3 Zealos 5, OP 3 What is this, "I thought OP would be lynched bs". Zealos was leading op by 2 votes, same as blubb Furthermore you assume Zealos is scum which isn't certain. Even if he is, it wouldn't mean I would be scum. As I mentioned before, I had thought it was between OP and Blubbers and made sure my vote counted and chose blubbers. | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
On September 15 2013 05:59 Pandain wrote: The talking about whether OP is SK or Survivor is useless and doesn't affect us. There's no way to definitely tell the difference as they're both third party and have the same motives (survive at all costs), as well as help get rid of people who threaten them. I don't think there's much use in the speculation, I agree with vayne's analysis of leave him as a back-up lynch in case we're uncertain on who to lynch. As for me Furthermore anyone who thinks I'm scum ignores the fact that I have been suspicious of Zealos before and even posted this here. Also quote of mine: I was like the first one(I think, or at least significant one) to actually analyze Zealos and point out suspicious behaviors besides just generic "being useless." I had switched to Zealos(why even encourage that bandwagon in the first place if I never wanted him to be lynched, it easily could have gone out of my control if I was scum.) In fact, I hadn't realized OP had voted, and thought that he was going to be lynched instead of zealous. I would rather have had blubbers lynched instead of OP which is why I changed my vote. I don't know how I would have voted between blubbers and zealous. Furthermore you assume Zealos is scum which isn't certain. Even if he is, it wouldn't mean I would be scum. As I mentioned before, I had thought it was between OP and Blubbers and made sure my vote counted and chose blubbers. On September 14 2013 06:38 ShiaoPi wrote: Day 1 Votecount: strongandbig(0): VayneAuthority(0): WaveofShadow(0): Grackaroni(0): kushm4sta(4): Pandain(0): Old Partner(6): Koshi(0): blubbdavid(4): VayneAuthority, Zealos(1): raynpelikoneet(0): Currently Old Partner is set to be lynched! Remember, voting is mandatory! Next deadline: Deadline date: Friday, Sep 13 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) On September 14 2013 06:52 Grackaroni wrote: ##Unvote: Old Partner ##Vote: Zealos Zealos 2, OP 5 On September 14 2013 06:57 blubbdavid wrote: ##Unvote: Old Partner ##Vote: Zealos Zealos 3, OP 4 On September 14 2013 06:58 Pandain wrote: ##Unvote: Old PArtner ##Vote: Zealos Zealos 4, OP 3 On September 14 2013 06:59 Old Partner wrote: ##unvote ##vote zealos Zealos 5, OP 3 On September 14 2013 07:00 Pandain wrote: ##unvote ##vote blub Zealos 4, Blubb 5 What is this, "I thought OP would be lynched bs". Zealos was leading op by 2 votes, same as blubb Before OP's vote, zealos was still leading OP by a vote You are lying | ||
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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 14 2013 06:59 strongandbig wrote: SO CLOSE one more! On September 14 2013 06:59 strongandbig wrote: Who else is active VOTE ZEALOS Which indicated we hadn't done it. You may not be aware of this, but everything literally happened in like five minutes. Even if I was wrong, it wouldn't mean I was scum. Your assumption that I am in fact lying rests upon these assumptions 1. Zealos is scum still not certain 2. Zealos and I are scum Doesn't make sense since I helped vote him anyway, see my above post. Why would I do that if scum? Furthermore, I helped first lay suspicion on him. The fact I may have been wrong about the vote count is amusing and sad but nothing else. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
On September 15 2013 06:22 Pandain wrote: Wow I wasn't even wrong So you are saying you didn't look at the votecount and voting thread at all? | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9857 Posts
On September 15 2013 05:59 Pandain wrote: The talking about whether OP is SK or Survivor is useless and doesn't affect us. There's no way to definitely tell the difference as they're both third party and have the same motives (survive at all costs), as well as help get rid of people who threaten them. I don't think there's much use in the speculation, I agree with vayne's analysis of leave him as a back-up lynch in case we're uncertain on who to lynch. As for me Furthermore anyone who thinks I'm scum ignores the fact that I have been suspicious of Zealos before and even posted this here. Also quote of mine: I was like the first one(I think, or at least significant one) to actually analyze Zealos and point out suspicious behaviors besides just generic "being useless." I had switched to Zealos(why even encourage that bandwagon in the first place if I never wanted him to be lynched, it easily could have gone out of my control if I was scum.) In fact, I hadn't realized OP had voted, and thought that he was going to be lynched instead of zealous. I would rather have had blubbers lynched instead of OP which is why I changed my vote. I don't know how I would have voted between blubbers and zealous. Furthermore you assume Zealos is scum which isn't certain. Even if he is, it wouldn't mean I would be scum. As I mentioned before, I had thought it was between OP and Blubbers and made sure my vote counted and chose blubbers. I know you were suspicious of Zealos that's the crux of my argument. you indicated time and time again that Zealos was suspicious. You believed blub could be mafia but was not as good of a lynch as Zealos and that you wanted to leave him alive because you can read him more easily later. You did vote between Zealos and Blubbers, you unvoted Zealos and voted for Blubbers. You posted your reasoning at the time for not wanting to lynch Zealos once people started actually pushing on him and it was shady. It looks to me a lot like you were soft bussing Zealos and then when people actually started moving on to him you got cold feet and panicked. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 15 2013 06:25 Papa_Smurf wrote: So you are saying you didn't look at the votecount and voting thread at all? No I did, I based what I thought was the score based on what I that was there. Which is that we needed someone else to vote zealos or else OP was going to be lynched anyway, who I didn't think was scum. You are over-thinking things. | ||
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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
1) We would have to assume you didn't look at the voting thread 2) We would have to assume you did look at the thread and can't do basic math Either of those would be extremely unlikely for town to do The actual count at the time of your zealos vote was Zealos - 5 OP- 4 Blubb - 4 | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 15 2013 06:25 Grackaroni wrote: I know you were suspicious of Zealos that's the crux of my argument. you indicated time and time again that Zealos was suspicious. You believed blub could be mafia but was not as good of a lynch as Zealos and that you wanted to leave him alive because you can read him more easily later. You did vote between Zealos and Blubbers, you unvoted Zealos and voted for Blubbers. You posted your reasoning at the time for not wanting to lynch Zealos once people started actually pushing on him and it was shady. It looks to me a lot like you were soft bussing Zealos and then when people actually started moving on to him you got cold feet and panicked. When did I say Zealos was a better lynch than Blub? | ||
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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
On September 15 2013 06:26 Pandain wrote: No I did, I based what I thought was the score based on what I that was there. Which is that we needed someone else to vote zealos or else OP was going to be lynched anyway, who I didn't think was scum. You are over-thinking things. How did you come up with an entirely different votecount as me? By looking at the incorrect votecount, I came up with zealos 5, OP 3 How did you come upwith OP having more votes than Zealos by the same process of addition and subtraction that I did? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Old Partner
United States274 Posts
On September 15 2013 06:29 Pandain wrote: So was I right or not in that disregarding OP's vote, who I didn't see because it literally came at the last second, OP was going to be lynched? And that only switching to blubbers would change to outcome? Not to be contrary here because I like you being alive pandain, but blubbers got lynched anyways. if I had voted blubbdavid instead of zealos, nothing would have changed. I voted Zealos because I was freaking out and saw what I thought was a last-minute swap to him, and wanted to make sure it would work. | ||
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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
On September 15 2013 06:29 Pandain wrote: So was I right or not in that disregarding OP's vote, who I didn't see because it literally came at the last second, OP was going to be lynched? And that only switching to blubbers would change to outcome? If you did the same process as I did, you would have thought OP was behind zealos by 2 votes. If you did math based on correcting the votecount yourself, you would have had OP behind zealos by 1 vote | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 15 2013 06:30 Old Partner wrote: Not to be contrary here because I like you being alive pandain, but blubbers got lynched anyways. if I had voted blubbdavid instead of zealos, nothing would have changed. I voted Zealos because I was freaking out and saw what I thought was a last-minute swap to him, and wanted to make sure it would work. lies | ||
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