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On August 11 2013 17:48 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now.
Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over.
Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7.
One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum:
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well?
Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had. What the fuck. You actually believe this? Explain why scum would kill gumshoe, with what reasoning. You think that scum didn't know how much hp a townie had (and therefore lannisters are clean) because they killed gumshoe and no one else? You're telling me you think they focused all their kp on GUMSHOE?!?!?!? I believe that there are townies besides lords with kp, one of them shot gumshoe because his only contributions to the thread were these 2 posts : Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:19 gumshoe wrote:
Hey, I'm alive, been busy, ill vote tofu as well. Why do you automatically assume it was mafia that killed him? From my POV I know that I'm town, and xatalos and iamperfection have both been very pro-town in thread. So my explanation is much more logical to me.
Because he died in the nightpost. Unless you think a townrole vigi'd gumshoe after being aware that the lords were going to kp gumshoe? If I were a townrole with kp I'd ask my lord who they were gonna kp. If I were a lord AND a blue with kp I wouldn't waste my role on killing the guy who just took 6 houses (this is an assumption) worth of kp.
I agree that iamp and xata have looked town, but please explain a scenario where all of you are town.
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On August 11 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:48 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now.
Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over.
Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7.
One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum:
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well?
Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had. What the fuck. You actually believe this? Explain why scum would kill gumshoe, with what reasoning. You think that scum didn't know how much hp a townie had (and therefore lannisters are clean) because they killed gumshoe and no one else? You're telling me you think they focused all their kp on GUMSHOE?!?!?!? I believe that there are townies besides lords with kp, one of them shot gumshoe because his only contributions to the thread were these 2 posts : On August 10 2013 11:19 gumshoe wrote:
Hey, I'm alive, been busy, ill vote tofu as well. On August 10 2013 11:20 gumshoe wrote:
## vote tofu Why do you automatically assume it was mafia that killed him? From my POV I know that I'm town, and xatalos and iamperfection have both been very pro-town in thread. So my explanation is much more logical to me. Because he died in the nightpost. Unless you think a townrole vigi'd gumshoe after being aware that the lords were going to kp gumshoe? If I were a townrole with kp I'd ask my lord who they were gonna kp. If I were a lord AND a blue with kp I wouldn't waste my role on killing the guy who just took 6 houses (this is an assumption) worth of kp. I agree that iamp and xata have looked town, but please explain a scenario where all of you are town.
That is a good point, maybe someone not so communicative made the shot idk. But answer me this.
If I'm scum and I messaged somebody that gumshoe is 1 kp from death, don't you think I would have told them how much hp iamp/xatalos had and they would have used the correct amount of kp and there would be somebody else dead besides gumshoe? (Xatalos and Iamp both come to mind as good targets)
Aside from that... I'm in Gumshoe's house... I sent him a polite PM asking him if he could skim the thread and pm his thoughts because he would surely die in the night immediately after he posted in thread. He wasn't interested enough to pm me back. He clearly isn't coming back and is just going to be a nuisance to town.
Why do I kill him?
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Because he's 1 hp and if one of you is scum it makes it easier to elect yourself? Because he might be blue? (less likely)
Like I said, I dunno where the rest of scum's kp went, but it either got blocked or they spread it out to kill 4 people n2 or whatever.
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On August 11 2013 17:37 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:32 Ace wrote:
I voted for Risen. Explain to me why it is a big deal. Because his scumreads are really weird and he hasnt done anything outside that. Why did you vote for Risen?
He wasn't supposed to. Was supposed to vote for rayne in case I was killed so we would have a lord.
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I was only voting for you. Rayne voted for himself to avoid that scenario.
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On August 11 2013 18:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Because he's 1 hp and if one of you is scum it makes it easier to elect yourself? Because he might be blue? (less likely)
Like I said, I dunno where the rest of scum's kp went, but it either got blocked or they spread it out to kill 4 people n2 or whatever.
that's 1 hp town would be forced to use the subsequent night to get rid of him.
I was not going to be made lord with or without gumshoe, and gumshoe is the only person who would possibly have voted for me due to his lack of posts. (Realize I post only in defense of myself because were are both in agreement that xata/iamp are both likely town)
Also I would like to believe that if I was secretly passing on this information to scum, I would realize that our house's hp should not be something that I would want scum to get their hands on.
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On August 11 2013 18:18 Ace wrote:
I was only voting for you. Rayne voted for himself to avoid that scenario.
Oh ok
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So I'm assuming someone realized that Scum would be pushing for shots/lynches on people in their own house aggressively to win lordship and KP easier. Correct?
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If no townie comes forward and claims the shot to their lord then I will consider that somebody slipped it. But right now I doubt it.
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Do you think it's more likely that scum targeted gumshoe without knowing his hp?
Or is it more likely that scum realized gumshoe had 1 hp so they just used 1kp out of like the (random guess) 12-20 they have?
If you're scum and you become aware of someone who's not scum being killable with hardly any downside, why not kill him.
Especially since you're in his house, meaning you only have to convince one person to make you lord now, instead of two.
He could be replaced, he could be a blue. No reason to overthink it.
The rest of scum kp could have easily hit a high hp townie or been blocked. There's 0 reason to think they would stack kp on gumshoe.
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On August 11 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:48 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now.
Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over.
Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7.
One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum:
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well?
Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had. What the fuck. You actually believe this? Explain why scum would kill gumshoe, with what reasoning. You think that scum didn't know how much hp a townie had (and therefore lannisters are clean) because they killed gumshoe and no one else? You're telling me you think they focused all their kp on GUMSHOE?!?!?!? I believe that there are townies besides lords with kp, one of them shot gumshoe because his only contributions to the thread were these 2 posts : On August 10 2013 11:19 gumshoe wrote:
Hey, I'm alive, been busy, ill vote tofu as well. On August 10 2013 11:20 gumshoe wrote:
## vote tofu Why do you automatically assume it was mafia that killed him? From my POV I know that I'm town, and xatalos and iamperfection have both been very pro-town in thread. So my explanation is much more logical to me. Because he died in the nightpost. Unless you think a townrole vigi'd gumshoe after being aware that the lords were going to kp gumshoe? If I were a townrole with kp I'd ask my lord who they were gonna kp. If I were a lord AND a blue with kp I wouldn't waste my role on killing the guy who just took 6 houses (this is an assumption) worth of kp. I agree that iamp and xata have looked town, but please explain a scenario where all of you are town.
why not?
considering house kp is supposed to flip instantly, when you see the target very much not dead, I can see a townie shooting it.
Also, I didn't run tonight because I wanted to check if koshi was able to pull his head out of whereever he put it and vote chrom.
That is, I didn't vote chrom tonight after telling everybody else to. And if koshi didn't either he wouldn't be lordz. So he evidently did.
Which means I am not for lynching either koshi or sol today.
Anyways, I think it would be smartest to lynch into the houses where a townie already flipped.
I suggest Ace for this.
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That makes no sense Dandel but go ahead and explain it to me.
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Also I said the "stop talking" post last night because 1) I went out 2) I need a town meta reference for these kind of posts so I can keep doing them as scum.
think big.
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On August 11 2013 18:33 Ace wrote:
That makes no sense Dandel but go ahead and explain it to me.
Got somebody else in your house that you think is scum?
y'all expected rayn to die, so clearly y'all can't think he's scum.
y'all elected risen, so clearly y'all can't think he's scum.
And left is the ace.
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Ok even if you go with rayne + risen = Town.
How are you left with me being Scum? Nothing in the OP suggests every house must have at least 1 scum, and we don't even know how many are in the game.
You want to think about this a little harder?
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On August 11 2013 18:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
Do you think it's more likely that scum targeted gumshoe without knowing his hp?
Or is it more likely that scum realized gumshoe had 1 hp so they just used 1kp out of like the (random guess) 12-20 they have?
If you're scum and you become aware of someone who's not scum being killable with hardly any downside, why not kill him.
Especially since you're in his house, meaning you only have to convince one person to make you lord now, instead of two.
He could be replaced, he could be a blue. No reason to overthink it.
The rest of scum kp could have easily hit a high hp townie or been blocked. There's 0 reason to think they would stack kp on gumshoe.
But you aren't reading my posts. I have never contended that scum randomly stacked lots of kp on gumshoe.
What I've been saying earlier is they have 12-20 kp. Nobody is dead. My belief is not that it's all blocked but that they weren't sure how much hp we had so they might have spread maybe 5kp to 3 players resulting in no dead town.
I've been the black sheep of the house between xata/perfect all game. Getting rid of gumshoe wouldn't make me lord lol.
What good is a blue with no town-cred and absolutely no interest in the game? he's a nuisance to town.
If there is no town that killed him then yes, it's much more likely that it was leaked and scum killed him for having 1 hp rather than using real amounts of kp on him. But I'm confident enough in xata/perfects alignments that I'm quite sure it was a town shot.
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Man Ace using really bad reasoning.
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On August 11 2013 18:38 Ace wrote:
Ok even if you go with rayne + risen = Town.
How are you left with me being Scum? Nothing in the OP suggests every house must have at least 1 scum, and we don't even know how many are in the game.
You want to think about this a little harder?
Not really, no.
But you may point somebody out that's more likely to be scum than you, I'm listening.
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Why is it assumed scum can split their kp in the first place?
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I've already stated I dont have any strong reads yet.
@Oats: Explain how my reasoning is bad.
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