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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 11 2013 18:46 Ace wrote: I've already stated I dont have any strong reads yet. @Oats: Explain how my reasoning is bad. Then go get some instead of defending yourself? maybe? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On August 11 2013 18:46 Dandel Ion wrote: Why is it assumed scum can split their kp in the first place? Pretty decent assumption in this large a game, no? I also think it's pretty standard in hp games? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
One of these three has to be scum barring some really incredible circumstances. Probably not Oberyn based on his focused activity and "risking" himself like this. I explained to iamperfection in detail why I think Onegu is probably town. This leaves me with the mystery player being scum with like 80-90% certainty. Who is it Oberyn??? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On August 11 2013 18:47 Dandel Ion wrote: Then go get some instead of defending yourself? maybe? I'm trying to understand your thought process. Stop getting jumpy. You were antagonistic towards Risen earlier in the game. Why do you buy him being Town with Rayne so easily now? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
Okay, so: I suggest you go to Nuclear Winter Mafia and open Onegu's filter (he was town). I think there are similarities here (somewhat lacking activity level, somewhat passive behaviour etc.). There are also some posts like this that make me believe he's town: "This is every jrkirby game, check out bluelightz for the most recent example, he is lynch bait in every game." Seems like an honest and spontaneous opinion that doesn't fit with a Mafia mindset. It feels like he's a bit less aggressive and more "protective" (giving townreads etc.) so it's not all the same. Do you think he's playing to his town meta? I think it's pretty close but there could be a small difference... Maybe that means he's scum this time around. But I'd still lean on town for now. TLDR: probably town | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On August 11 2013 18:46 Ace wrote: I've already stated I dont have any strong reads yet. @Oats: Explain how my reasoning is bad. your reasoning is 'there may not be scum in every house' Thats bad. Really bad. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
What good will it do you to understand my thought process? I'm already confirmed town. I'd like ta understand yers, but yer blates refusin meh. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
DI where were you confirmed Town? And um yea, understanding your thought process is a pretty big deal. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On August 11 2013 18:54 Oatsmaster wrote: your reasoning is 'there may not be scum in every house' Thats bad. Really bad. Whar's bad about that? for all we know house tyrell could be all scum. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 11 2013 18:57 Ace wrote: Oats you're going to have to go into detail and show why. So far I have seen nothing that suggests every house has to have Scum. If there is something that I don't know about point it out. DI where were you confirmed Town? And um yea, understanding your thought process is a pretty big deal. META META META long live meta | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On August 11 2013 18:54 Xatalos wrote: Here is my Onegu reasoning if you're wondering: Okay, so: I suggest you go to Nuclear Winter Mafia and open Onegu's filter (he was town). I think there are similarities here (somewhat lacking activity level, somewhat passive behaviour etc.). There are also some posts like this that make me believe he's town: "This is every jrkirby game, check out bluelightz for the most recent example, he is lynch bait in every game." Seems like an honest and spontaneous opinion that doesn't fit with a Mafia mindset. It feels like he's a bit less aggressive and more "protective" (giving townreads etc.) so it's not all the same. Do you think he's playing to his town meta? I think it's pretty close but there could be a small difference... Maybe that means he's scum this time around. But I'd still lean on town for now. TLDR: probably town What's the point of using meta if you don't look at scum games too? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On August 11 2013 19:01 Grackaroni wrote: What's the point of using meta if you don't look at scum games too? I've never played with scum Onegu but you're right, that would be useful (although less than actually playing with him). I'll probably do that soonish. For now I mostly want to know the mystery player though. If he's scum, Onegu is also 100% clean. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On August 11 2013 18:57 Ace wrote: Oats you're going to have to go into detail and show why. So far I have seen nothing that suggests every house has to have Scum. If there is something that I don't know about point it out. DI where were you confirmed Town? And um yea, understanding your thought process is a pretty big deal. Why using setup speculation to defend yourself is bad? Come on Ace. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On August 11 2013 19:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Why using setup speculation to defend yourself is bad? Come on Ace. You're using setup speculation to accuse him lol. Quit trolling. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On August 11 2013 19:08 Grackaroni wrote: You're using setup speculation to accuse him lol. Quit trolling. Im using meta. Dandel was using setup speculation. Relax Grackaroni. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On August 11 2013 19:01 Xatalos wrote: Clarity, I think grackaroni is town atm. He's also making sense in this discussion. He wouldn't be made Lord if gumshoe died. gumshoe was also playing for scum, even if he was town, so why would scum use their KP and not let him just hinder town (probably a mislynch or at least wasted KP)? Even if he was blue, which was unlikely, he would still almost certainly be of advantage to scum. I would never kill gumshoe as scum, especially if it meant putting myself at risk (like in grackaroni's case). That's the thing I never called him scum. I called you and iamp likely town though. Anyway, killing him as scum makes more sense if one of you three is scum. I'm done WIFOMing though. If later on in the game there's still no town claim for shooting gumshoe or a flip that suggests town might have shot him, then I want to revisit this. On August 11 2013 19:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Why using setup speculation to defend yourself is bad? Come on Ace. He was being attacked with setup speculation... how else is he supposed to defend himself at this point? He was called scum because of the assumption that his house MUST have a scum, so he explains that we don't know if all houses have scum. This isn't difficult. Let's just let ace catch up and get some reads, yes? | ||
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Onegu
United States9696 Posts
On August 11 2013 19:04 Xatalos wrote: I've never played with scum Onegu but you're right, that would be useful (although less than actually playing with him). I'll probably do that soonish. For now I mostly want to know the mystery player though. If he's scum, Onegu is also 100% clean. NMM XLII, NMM XLIII, and bluelightz are my scum games, NWM and NMM XLIV are town. Also can the Lords give me some thoughts on SnB his claim to have well over 100 PMs, but such a small filter with his vote and reason on me were so scummy. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
The OP says nothing about how many Scum are in the game or how they are allocated between houses. I point this out to "defend" myself. How is this setup speculation and not just reading the OP? You are the one assuming there must be at least 1 scum in each house. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On August 11 2013 19:13 Ace wrote: What meta are you using Oats? Explain thoroughly. I haven't seen you do so at all. The OP says nothing about how many Scum are in the game or how they are allocated between houses. I point this out to "defend" myself. How is this setup speculation and not just reading the OP? You are the one assuming there must be at least 1 scum in each house. I dont want to explain why I think you are scum, cause I dont really want to lynch you today. I would like you to explain why you think someone is scum though. | ||
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