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Stutters695
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Oatsmaster
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Stutters695
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Oatsmaster
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Why so slow stutters? | ||
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Stutters695
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
I'm done in here for tonight. Maybe certain people will improve their play tomorrow. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18868046 Even though your posting style has now changed considerably. I am still interested in understanding what the purpose of the questions in that post was. There were rather lot of questions in the post. I am having difficulty deciding which mindset would want to post those and why. I am aware as you already said here why you say you asked them: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18860286 On June 11 2013 08:02 GravityMan wrote: As I am not delving into past games to determine alignment, for players I may be having trouble understanding it suits me to attempt to figure out what each player is thinking, capable of, and even feeling in order to determine a specific mindset. If you find that irrelevant that is your prerogative, however I do not deem it so. One thing I cant marry with your statement of why that is that you did not follow those up? Since you posted that, you have again pursued BH, but without answers to the earlier questions. Why if they were GM/WoS: "In what way do you find my questions irrelevant? I am confused." didnt you seek answers. I can see one problem there were so many question in the post i doubt anyone would answer them all. So why ask them? | ||
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AxleGreaser
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goodkarma
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Regarding Stutters: Stutters typically comes in and provides insightful analysis on a rare basis as town. I'd say his posting right now, as well as his posting specifically on Shao, has me leaning slightly town on him right now. Regarding GM: GM as WaveofShadow the Japanese trollbot, is a wishy-washy kind of guy when he plays town. I've seen similar behavior here. He's not behaving with the degree of certainty he did in his scumgame last game. He's proven that he is a tryhard when he's scum, so I'll be continuing to assess my read on him and not underestimate him if he is scum. However, I don't believe that as scum he'd be as comfortable bringing attention to himself with trolling... For those reasons, I'm leaning town on him. Regarding BH: You seem to have a few people you'd like to have shot. But I'm having some trouble understanding your thought process... I see lots of shitslinging and dinner-eating, but very limited analysis... I'd say your play here does resemble The Game in that you seem to be just going completely aggro on players with unproductive tunnels. I believe you even referenced this once or twice, like how you'd rather tunnel Hapa as scum or something. But I remember how you tunneled ThePeashooter in that game, and he was hardly a town leader or anything... Scum BH loves to shit up threads, and that's exactly what I see here. I'm leaning scum on you. You proved to me last game you can play like complete shit as town, but the way you're playing this game is similar enough to your The Game scumgame I believe there's a decent chance you'll flip red. Regarding Syl: As far as more lurkerish players, there's Syl who's been sheepish this game to the exclusion of much of any analysis. He's flown completely under the radar, and if he shamelessly continues to do so I believe he'd be a decent vigishot. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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ShiaoPi
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On June 12 2013 03:30 GravityMan wrote: As I have just read through this ShiaoPi, I have come to a similar conclusion to you in that I do not believe he is scummy, though one section of one post of his stood out: Here he makes it seem as though his legitimate case on this VayneAuthority was nothing more than a way to get first-day discussion started. I am not sure why he would feel the need to downplay his earlier contribution unless he was for some reason worried that his assault of a pre-claimed cop would get him into trouble. Of course I also realize that he may be simply referring to his case as something that created discussion rather than an attempt to create discussion by making a case. Either way it struck me as being odd. The rest of his filter appears full of genuine attempts to divine alignment from other players while being overall unconcerned with the views of others regarding himself, a decidedly town-aligned trait. I agree that ShiaoPi should not be a concern based on his activity within this game, unless you have something to add from past games, Hapahauli? As for scum-reads, there is one I am currently working on besides this Sylencia; I will expand upon it soon. The prodding I am mentioning here is before I posted my case, the questions in which I tried to get him into a more talkative poster. On June 12 2013 09:05 Stutters695 wrote: Alright well since the crazy shooting stuff is over. Here's what I see: The main reason ShiaoPi was considered town early was that he was outgoing in trying to be mayor. I've already expressed why I think that is a bad metric so if you don't remember go read that. It's null. His case on Vayne felt town. What's concerned me since is his stance on jampi. He posts saying that jiampi felt genuine so hapas case was wrong, then once jampi comes back he demands his reads. Jampi gave him a very short version and Shiao decides to vote him (like 8 minutes after demanding the reads). I've read his rebuttal to axle but if that's how he felt he should have voiced it instead of just voting. He literally have jampi no chance. What's scummy about this to me is it feels like he's fishing for a reason to revert off his town read. He didn't discuss jampi at all after his town read and then voted him after giving him six minutes to rush out reads. If he had a town read on him why wouldn't he work with him to get reads out under the assumption he'd flip town or follow up after the initial reads were unsatisfactory? He just seems to not care about the lynch as long as he's trying to justify his vote. He's against saving the mayor power and wants me to be shot on no basis except that I've been away from the thread. That's not how you hit scum, it's how you waste kp and make town lose. Are you actually calling me scummy? where is your conclusion on to this post? Anyway. What you are stating here is easy to do in retrospective with the green flip of jampi. Keep in mind the timeline of events: -I post a case on Vayne, stay around for a while and then go to sleep -Coming back to the thread in the morning, be caught up around 2 hours to lynch. Unvote the copclaim, acknowledge the renewed meta case by hapa on jampi. I think this is probably where you think my switch is questionable, keep in mind that the earlier case of hapa here:+ Show Spoiler + On June 10 2013 11:08 Hapahauli wrote: -snip- 2) I've actually since changed my mind on him. He's my top scum-read right now, but I had planned on withholding this until he re-entered thread. This is the post I had written: + Show Spoiler + 1) He has a lack of natural suspicion. Him immediately trusting my words and supporting the ShaioPi campaign after displaying suspicion of it is not natural in the 7-minute window in which he did it. I had accepted his explanation as "open" before, but 7 minutes is an absurd turn-around. I'd expect him to be much more naturally suspicious in his 2nd non-newbie game ever on this site. I had bought his explanation (of sub-consciously trusting me as town) earlier, however I don't think it's as compelling as I had initially thought. All he's really doing is buddying up to me, which is nothing new for scum to do. 2) On June 09 2013 18:48 jampidampi wrote: A campaign being serious or not is based on the smilies. No smilies = serious campaign. Smilies = joke campaign. What makes a campaign is trying to get others to vote for you. Axle voted himself, because he didn't have better alternatives. But since he isn't asking others to vote him, it's not a campaign. @Hapa Are you trying to help Vayne play better or are you noting something you find somewhat scummy? Your post is not clear to me. The underlined question in this post makes no sense objectively. Jampi mentioned that he subconsciously trusted me as town, and seemingly has some sort of town-read on me. Furthermore, he answered Stutters question (directed towards me) in the first half of his post. If he's treating me as town, this question makes no sense. Because if he trusts me, my answer to this question has absolutely no relevancy towards anything (such as the read he's suggesting on Vayne). Futhermore, jampi just hasn't posted any content thusfar. He has 6-7 posts and absolutely zero meaningful content. Even with Day 1 caveats, jampis filter reads like an attempt to contribute by posting useless things. is much much weaker in my eyes then what he followed it up with here: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2013 03:58 Hapahauli wrote: So reading through the exchange in the last few pages, I don't think Oats is scum. He's trying to help in his own right, even though he's a bit misguided. Furthermore, his strategy of "antagonize all the vets" seems fairly suicidal for scum to do. Hell last time he attacked me as scum, he ended up getting lynched (Duke Nukem Mafia), so that should be pretty fresh in his mind. Jampi is by far the best lynch for today. He's produced fairly little content, and his vote on Vayne is by far the weakest. Carefully read the underlined passage. Jampi is NOT voting Vayne because he thinks Vayne is scum! He's voting Vayne because "it's hard to read him." That's a scumclaim. ##Vote Lynch: Jampidampi On June 11 2013 04:26 Hapahauli wrote: @ Gravity Man Jampi isn't as new of a player as you might believe. He has a history of 4 town-games, one of which is a hydra game with me, which leaves us with 3 to draw from. If there's one theme consistant across his play is that he's a very analytical player. His play (and especially his vote on Vayne) is so out of character with this. In his 1st Newbie game, it doesn't take much of a read in his filter to understand how analysis-heavy his style is. He's very straightforward, asks good questions, and is very useful to town. Consider posts like... In one post in his first newbie game on D1, he provided 30x the analysis that he's provided so far this game. And there's more just from the first page of his filter... I'd encourage you to read it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091&user=jampidampi In his 2nd newbie game, take a look at how he makes his first vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=15#289 His 3rd newbie game is more of the same, and is even more analyitical. He nailed 2 of 3 scum on D1 and got shot immediately N1.. .just read the whole filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407058&user=jampidampi So the explanation that jampi is a scared newbie rings very hollow to me. I'll admit that there's a very small possibility that he's gone into his first normal game too scared to do anything, but it's far more likely that his lack of contribution and terrible vote on Vayne (for reasons other than Vayne being scum) is because jampi is scum. especially these two posts are convincing to me. I already had a (now confirmed) very strong townread on Hapa at the time, so I was willing to sheep his vote. Since my initial read on jampi was townleaning, I now state that I want jampi to come back before I cast my vote:+ Show Spoiler + On June 11 2013 09:18 ShiaoPi wrote: well stuff went down while I was asleep I guess. Jampis vote does look terrible so I am willing to off him as well, but I'd like him to pop back into the thread and try to explain. I am currently on my phone right now and will be for most of the day, so can't do too much rereading filterdiving atm. I am here though and will keep checking the thread. ##unvote lynch At this point my expectations are fueled by the snippets of meta Hapa had posted earlier -Jampi is back around 15mins to lynch with a grand contribution of nothing. I do interact with him, try to get more out of him but there is nothing so I vote him since his chance to redeem himself in my eyes is gone. He was scummiest (not copclaimed) player at that time and with 4mins or sth left to lynch I vote for him. Does this sufficiently explain my switch on jampi to you? Now on why I wanted to shoot you, since you seem to take great offense at that. I still do not see how saving the shot until later is much better than using it now, but yeah not that it matters much now as vayne now has the gun/pardon. Hapa asked for candidates to get shot, I named you for lurking around, not contributing and getting ignored by most of town until now. I think it likely that at least one scum is hiding inside the lurkers, which at time of my post were you, syl and gk. I have not played with you stutters, so I am unfamiliar with your meta, to me you were what I said above, either scum or a liability to town. Syl was admittedly not much better but I got townie vibes from his posts, gk had just replaced in so he got a pass from me. so with one scumleaning lurker, one townleaning lurker and a replacement, which target would you propose to get shot? My suggestion was simply logical. Since then your play has been much better, but I am curious. What is your current read of me? You never finished your post with a conclusion something I really dislike.... Splitting my post up now since it is becoming an abomination of a wall of text. Updated reads coming up next | ||
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Sylencia
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On June 12 2013 16:15 Sylencia wrote: @GK: Why are you suggesting to waste a dayvig shot on me when the only reason you have is that I've been lurkier than others? You literally say before your 'analysis' on me that you think BH is scum and yet somehow I'm a more decent target for shooting? Ok.. I said you were flying under the radar, and that when you are here you seem to be content to agree with a stance here and there and not really add anything. It's not about your "lurkiness," but what you aren't doing when you are here. I'm assuming from what Vayne has said he plans to use his vig shot today. Therefore, we need to determine two scum candidates for this cycle. None of this really is that difficult to understand. While you're here, would you mind providing an opinion on anything? Or more specifically, perhaps elaborate on your top scumread? | ||
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ShiaoPi
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Blazinghand: Most interested in lynching BH at the moment.Start playing this game according to your wincon if you are town. Hearing your dinner jokes once or twice are funny but enough is enough. After Hapa's bluff with the shot you demonstrated that you are quite clearly able to play seriously. You have contributed nothing and just been disruptive. Where is your follow up to this? On June 12 2013 07:46 Blazinghand wrote: GM stutters scum GK isn't scum, not yet, not based on what we know. DONT lynch him for no reason oats is illegible. if anyone else has a gun, shoot him-- he's a liability Or the case on oats, on whom you were so sure that he is scum during D1? The only comprehensive contribution we got from you is this: On June 12 2013 08:21 Blazinghand wrote: Okay, so personally I'd prefer if we shot GM tonight. I think he's more likely to flip scum, and I've seen stutters be reasonable despite slow starts. That being said, there are two big arguments for shooting stutters and GK. The first is "we need to lynch both stutters and GM, and one of them is talking so we might as well shoot the other" and if this is a reason for shooting stutters, that is to say, we're lynching him for sure, then fine. I think he'll shape up, though, so I'd rather we shoot GM. GK on the other hand, people don't like his entrance into the thread. He does this all the time as town, he always has a slow start. I get that people want to policy him basically for not having read the thread, but he's a replacement in addition to being a slower player in general. I say we give him time. In order of preference, basically GM > Stutters > GK Now either you can go and clarify your stances and start playing properly or continue playing like you do right now. keep being disruptive, useless, arrogant and retarded and I consider my scumread on you confirmed and will lynch the fuck out of you. Stutters Admittedly he is a much weaker read than BH, he is here much more by process of elimination than really by scummy behavior since he picked up the slack. Day 1 he was a good for nothing lurker, since then he has been stepping it up and actually started to contribute. What makes me wary is first off he is on the wrong target but more importantly is that he chides the thread to start reading his post/case on me and states the intent to lynch me. but where is his vote? He never calls me scum outright: On June 12 2013 13:35 Stutters695 wrote: READ MY CASE ON SHIAO. WANT TO LYNCH THE FUCK OUT OF HIM? or On June 12 2013 12:25 Stutters695 wrote: I won't survive the shot and I'd like to think after seeing me flip town BH would realize how ridiculous a shot on me would be given everyone's complete lack of justification on it. I made a fairly comprehensive post on ShiaoPi. I would love to see him flip today unless he returns at some point and convinces me otherwise. I can understand if he somehow got a scumread on me, but call it that way then. Smells fishy and to me a bit like he knows my alignment therefore unconsciously refrains from calling me scum cause he knows I am town. He just wants to lynch me or flip me. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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thoughts about my reads? | ||
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Blazinghand
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ShiaoPi
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On June 12 2013 17:06 Blazinghand wrote: i'm not going to dignify that case with a response other than this one. I'm not asking you to dignify anything I am asking you to start playing as if you want to win, you can dick around somewhere else | ||
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Blazinghand
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ShiaoPi
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Only thing I can see as scummy is posting massive walls without doing much, thankfully that has decreased a bit since he dropped that stupid robot persona. He is to just useless right now, at worst you can count that scummy but then most of town is | ||
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ShiaoPi
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BH, thoughts on stutters? | ||
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