EPTPTP IV - Demon's Run
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On June 22 2013 05:10 deconduo wrote: Will you guys notify players if you balanced the roles they created/let them balance if possible?We're balancing the roles right now, roles will go out and day will start once we're done. | ||
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My read on Zephirdd is that he managed to win PTP3 for his team by being a jerky mafia face. I don't like that, but tbh I don't remember him doing anything super duper mafia-y. Gonna be trying to get info out of him early, because he was able to blend in late game once everyone was lazified and didn't care. | ||
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On June 22 2013 07:42 Dandel Ion wrote: Why you lying like this? I said this IS dog, not "I am a human who LIKES dogs."Look at austin. He's a dog person. that must mean he's town. You howver are a cat person. JUSTIFY THIS BULLSHIT Misrepresenting posts already. | ||
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Acro/others, I'm not sure that claiming names really does anything to help sort out later situations where we need to claim roles. If everyone claims, then yes, we know what roles might be open to being fakeclaimed. But if the creator is dead, SOMEONE has the rolename they made a role for, and that person can make up whatever they want and knowing the maker doesn't help anyone. If we don't claim, mafia can't really fakeclaim a power but a real role name, because the role creator MIGHT still be alive. I keep poking around that, but I don't think we get enough out of just claiming what roles we made that it's worth filling in some of the information that the mafia doesn't have. Also, Other Reasons. | ||
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In stuff nobody cares about - I also got my own role. IThat was my Other Reasons in one of the earlier posts I made. In stuff BC cares about - Yes, you had additional powers used on you. I like how forthcoming you've been with additional information, so if you look in the mirror you'll get a present | ||
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In pokePTP, he won the game for scum by just surviving, didn't catch a lot of attention. I didn't like losing that game, and had planned on trying to keep some focus on him in this game to make sure it didn't happen. My early questions weren't great, but it was both (1) a way to get a little information out of him and (2) an important viewpoint to get when considering claims and whatnot. For all the arguing in this thread about who liked the idea of roleclaiming or not, whether it was good for scum or not, we have people who were scum in PTP games here, can ask them directly whether roleclaiming was something scum was worried about. Who cares whether we think it might be good or bad, we can directly ask someone who was scum whether roleclaiming made his team worried or not. His answers were slightly shifty, in that I was hoping for something more firm but got nothing firm at all If I could offer some advice, don't trust any claim - no matter how townie it sounds like. I really don't remember much actually, it was a long time ago. I was afk a lot on that game too(I forgot to send many stuff to hosts).. but you can get an idea of that on the scum qt. I do think we were worried about roles a lot actually, I was worried about Charmander(which was my creation) particularly, but he ended up killing himself with Drazerk bus-driving him iirc. I missed my window to really poke at this, but don't like how, for the most part, he passes the buck instead of making the "I was scum in a PTP game, was this situation something scum wanted to happen" --> "I am in another PTP game, this situation is something scum would/wouldn't want to happen here" jump. Beyond that, he's focused on DI, but...seems like most of the people referencing DI mention the alliance post. Zephir doesn't. Using the term "alliance" doesn't make DI town or scum, but it's a piece of his filter that has stood out to people as they read DI. Minor concern that zephir, who appears more focused on DI than anyone else, doesn't mention it. Instead, what he does mention is...bland On June 23 2013 17:46 Zephirdd wrote: DI's posting is stupid/really stupid/fucking stupid. He's trying to shut down questions. But at the same time Zephir says DI is making decent points about himself/geript. For all the focus that zephir's posts put on DI, there's never really a ... summation of thoughts. He notes that his read on DI wavers, but his vote doesn't, and his focus doesn't, and there's just no followup on his wavering.Dandel's posting has been so... fucking stupid. Goes from the 75/25% mafia/town ratio(which is stupid) to calling BC a claimed SK to calling him a troll to saying his previous post is not what it actually is(semantics) etc... It's really stupid. But then, post "zephirdd not putting effort into his reads"(which he is right; I'm not) he makes some half-decent points about geript. Geript's points are not anti-town though. He is asking legit questions, pushing possible contradictions. DI feels like he is trying to discredit/shut down possible questions that could corner someone. My mind keeps flipfloping on Dandelion, and I keep going back(in my own restricted mind) to austin who has been gone for a while. Dandelion, please do post your thoughts on austinmcc and maybe post his reasoning towards asking the questions he did towards me. Anyone else is free to do the same, but I'm extra interested in DI. ##vote: Zephirdd | ||
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Acro, based on comments, skater's role means he wouldn't have died even if bc didn't get blocked. I don't think you can expect the normal infodump IF he actually survives a shot and WANTED to get shot. While I don't think skater set himself up to get shot at night, I believe he was trying to. Weird thing to claim, probably true, and hopefully explains the change in behavior. I also don't read his voteswap as scummy. I'd prefer there be some more reasoning, any original thoughts, but it was so blatant, when I'd expect scum to try and justify. | ||
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But he still though that he'd be dead. I wrong there. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: I'm defending my FOS. You guys can think that I'm the worst player ever if you want. In all honestly I have no real reads, but you asked for some, so I attemped to give them. Also BloodyCobbler has revealed he has a killing ability.  My role is pretty weak / lame. I just giving you my opinion, you know in this game that is based on opinions? Also if I was Mafia, It would be pretty dumb of me to gather this much attention. I find that this day has actually been fairly useful. There are a couple posts like this that make me not want to lynch skater. Before the shot, he's half docking around, but he keeps drawing.conclusions. "if my role maker doesn't speak up about x, you guys will know he's scum." Or something to that extent, in anotger post. Thenthis, noting bc's killing ability. While youre right he thought he'd die, its like he kept looking for new information during his fight with bc, and pointing out conclusions he reached or.throwing out little tidbits that he came across. To acro, do you just read this as bei.g pre-shot so its not equivalent to reads/info when thinking he dying? | ||
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On June 24 2013 03:57 s0Lstice wrote: cuz right now pushing off skater seems more effective than pushing on zeph. Also, people that I trust are reading skater differently, want to figure that out so I can read them better.Austin why are you not pushing Zeph? Why are we not lynching Zeph? | ||
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On June 23 2013 17:28 Kurumi wrote: I targetted BC early in the day so deal with it. I think BC is town. I am not sure on sk8r's alignment, but I dislike how he got full on arguing with BC instead of looking elsewhere. Unless someone does something compelling of a case besides "Kurumi comes into thread, complains about its state, leaves" or "Kurumi is not trolling" I am going to ignore these posts like they don't exist. I don't give a damn about fluff accusations. Dandel tries to light push me with bad arguments mentioned above, coupled with gonzaw and geript from the very start. Good luck on that guys. BTW I made KP-type role, because people like to blow up stuff and I was drunk. kita has a pathetic filter so far (short) he also lovetapped sk8r back in the start of the game I REQUEST EVERYONE TO STOP LOVETAPPING SK8R FOR NO REASON, WE'RE ON DAY ONE. Nobody said that already? Great. Sadly I can't blow anyone up but if I could I'd kill kita or Dandel. Oh, I am not changing my vote, sue me. Dandel is still not playing right: soft pushing me, seeding chaos from the very moment he comes back into thread together with pushing BC for some reason. How much time till lynch? For everyone asking about tv, I thought this was kurklmi saying he did.that. Was this not the rb? | ||
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NOW ONTO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS JEEBUS STOP LYNCHING ME. If you think you can usually read me and you haven't been able to do so this game, that might be because I'm not normally this absent. As EITHER alignment. Go read my stupid scum games, I'm always trying to plot and direct things and getting shot down when I try to get the scum team to engage in stupid plans, except for CT mafia maybe cuz I replaced in there. To those who actually think I'm scummy, you guys should knock it off as well. I don't bring presents to people who think I'm scummy except maybe I do. Ugh. Also, not scum. Gonna sort through the rest of this tomorrow at work. | ||
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On June 24 2013 10:13 gonzaw wrote: First you let your buddies shoot me in the game.If I was scum I'd like to know who got my role to NOT shoot him at night and let him live until end-game or something  (unless there's a party-pooper marv in my scumteam >_> ), so if a scum made your role...congrats you are going to live for a long time Now you try to lynch me in THIS game, where I get my own friggin' role. Marv isn't here this time either. So...it's you or kita. You guys are the PTP fun police. | ||
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On June 24 2013 10:17 gonzaw wrote: I have been part of "lynch someone so we did something" trains, but never from this side. But I had no say in that scumteam  I tried my best not to kill you ;_; ...the silver lining is that we won at least lol Well, not really trying to "lynch" you, but if I had to decide in the span of 2 minutes which player in the game to lynch, also taking into account town sentiment...then yeah you were a good choice. ....hmm....considering snb wasn't replaced someone could vig him tonight or something. It's a ... much different feeling, but I know not all the votes are for that. Especially the "austin usually x, hasn't x this game, therefore scum" votes that I think were there. Need to reread, but that's one thing I'm digging into. More worried about people with half-assed reasons like that than people just jumping on the lynch-for-info-mobile. | ||
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Besides, I don't think anyone else would be so dumb as to create some of this stuff. | ||
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On June 24 2013 10:28 gonzaw wrote: That one I can actually do tonight, at least out of context. Rest needs to wait until tomorrow.Okay, take your time (well...at least take LESS time than you did last cycle >_> ) So, thoughts on Xfire? Colorful entry into game. Multicolor turtle tap --> ## pants. Unless either of those DID anything, it shows a fun-having, easy-going crossfire. Townie on skates mcgee. BUT FOR MUSHY MUSHY MUSHINESS. I think sk8 is town. Looking at the way he's acted before and after the shot, what he said he was trying to accomplish, how he is acting now, etc, I don't see that coming from a scum player. BOO. BOO ON THIS HARD. I think skates mcgee is town, because of...what he did in the past and the present. I won't specify ANYTHING at all. BOO. If there were a key piece of skates's role that makes crossfire certain he's town, then crossfire could say later when it comes out he made the role that skates likely town b/c of role. He responds to Zeph noting that role =/= alignment here by saying Ok. I will keep that in mind Zeph, but knowing what his role is and how he has acted and what he has done makes me think he is town. I will look at him again if I need to later, but not now. Still slightly butt. It's a lot of words that say...I don't know what. He will keep Zephir's comments in mind, indicating that Skates role is not 100% to show alignment, but is pretty sure of townieness based on (1) what his role is; (2) how he's acted; (3) what he has done. That doesn't really say anything, and not just because Crossfire is being coy about the role he created. If it were just role-talk, it could be coy, but Crossfire isn't really giving any detail about his read PERIOD. Before, it was past and present actions the end. Jumps on me to prevent no-lynch. Null for me. Reads doc role, messes up the mason bit. Without any context, just checking his filter, doesn't pass the smell test. The skater read, which is what a lot of cross's posts concern, is smoke and mirrors at this point. I know pre-game excitement into quiet time can sometimes be a bad sign, but...I don't think the colors/pants --> not much really works the same way. Goofy into serious, but the beginning of this game was slightly goofy and it's gotten more serious, so that's not really a tell. Still, based on the justification that isn't a justification for his Crossfire read, I'm leaning scum. | ||
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You argue with Dandel but that dude wears a dress So focused on skater that you don't look around But if skate's being truthful then you've not made a sound Ugh, poem/lyric posts not nearly as easy as they look. But, if interested, could you respond to a couple questions? If BC's shot went through yesterday, and skater flipped scum, would that seriously implicate anyone else as scum to you? Same thing for shot going through and him flipping town. I see a lot of talk about skater himself, why you think he's lying or why you're worried about his lovetaps, but it doesn't really go anywhere. Even if it's in fun cryptic messages, care to comment about non-skaters? As far as my gifts are concerned, they aren't always necessarily happy but tonight's was. Would be no fun if I made a role bringing only happy or sad gifts. Then, just for posterity in case I get got, this is probably nothing but was an interesting bit of your filter: On June 24 2013 05:31 Kurumi wrote: I am voting the guy I believe is scum the most. Acro is sleeping, left both his votes on the guy he believes is scum the most. Sk8ter is scum. Acro left thread a couple hours earlier after posting: On June 24 2013 02:47 Acrofales wrote: STUFF BUT ALSO He doesn't say he's sleeping. It was early afternoon in Brazil so you can't just assume that based on timezone. He had announced his doublevote, but it kind of just sat there and nobody freaked out about it or commented much on it. The post that he's sleeping and casual "both his votes" makes me worried. I'd really like answers to skater questions, or just...more cryptic posts. Something to go on that isn't arguing with DI or talking about skater.And, because I am heading out, I am putting my secret vote on him as well. Yes, I have a secret vote. And no, I see no point in keeping that secret. | ||
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acro, this is some butt right here. On June 24 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote: I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good. Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er. Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too. On June 24 2013 12:25 Acrofales wrote: austin completely missing stuff like that is not making me any more comfortable about him. For one, On June 24 2013 10:41 austinmcc wrote: Maybe that was unclear, but no context meant I was just re-filtering and not going through to really dig into when votes came in, when he posted, where votes moved. That one I can actually do tonight, at least out of context. Rest needs to wait until tomorrow. ... Without any context, just checking his filter, doesn't pass the smell test. ... Regardless of that, here's the main reason this post is butt. Crossfire's posts about skater don't stop the lynch. Look at his posts - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote: As I noted in my other post, this is air. "Look at how he acted and is acting now, I don't see that coming from scum" is NOT much of a defense. Not a single person who wanted to lynch skater at this point reads that and changes his vote.Sorry that I've been away so long. (I did say pregame that I wouldn't have much time, but I didn't think it would be this bad T_T) I just finished catching up on what has happened. I think sk8 is town. Looking at the way he's acted before and after the shot, what he said he was trying to accomplish, how he is acting now, etc, I don't see that coming from a scum player. In solidarity with him, I will ##Lovetap: xxSK8rGUy277xx I will be around for questions, but right now, I will be rereading the thread and looking at filters to see who I want to lynch. On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote: Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia. On June 24 2013 04:53 Crossfire99 wrote: Stop asking how sk8r's role works. I created it and know how it works and know how he survived. The only reason anyone else from this point would need to know how his role works is if they're scum. If you're town, you don't need to know how he survived, all you should care about is that he is alive. Leave it alone. On June 24 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote: Crossfire's biggest contribution was "I made skater's role, I know how he survived." ALL that crossfire addresses is that skater has some way of surviving a shot. But we know from his response to zeph that he doesn't actually KNOW skater is town because of the role/usage, just THINKS so, again based on air.Note: I made my last post before I saw this post by Zeph. Ok. I will keep that in mind Zeph, but knowing what his role is and how he has acted and what he has done makes me think he is town. I will look at him again if I need to later, but not now. As for his actual role I will not say if it needs to be activated or not. I will say that unless changes were made to the role (which is possible and says so in the OP), I don't know how BC was roleblocked. There is nothing in there that should convince anyone who wanted to lynch skater for anything other than "BC's shot didn't go off" not to lynch skater. It's not a defense. Nobody, from what I recall, wanted to lynch skater because he survived the shot, which is really all crossfire addresses with substance. And we still don't know what happened - RB? BC lying? skater lying? Nobody lying and something else at work? etc. etc. While it's clear that crossfire thinks skater is town from those posts, it's (1) not clear/substantiated if you remove the role; and (2) he's not even sure about the role --> town, based on his response to zephir. Second, I don't read the pages that follow those posts as people moving votes because crossfire has convinced them that skater is town. Skater has 7 votes at 4:33 TL time. Crossfire makes his posts. First to unvote is Zephir, who voted based on acro's case and skater not trying to scum hunt thinking he'd die - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 03:32 Zephirdd wrote: Holy shit. Did you really ask that? If you're about to die, we will get information out of you with a confirmed alignment. That means that, if you die, we know that all interactions concerning you - specially scum hunting - have a confirmed mindset behind it. In fact, NOT scumhunting at any point is anti-town. Why did anyone roleblock BC ffs. I'm switching to sk8rboy because I like acros' case and because of the above post. On June 24 2013 05:06 Zephirdd wrote: ok so BC didn't actually claim to be RB'd, just that his shot was refunded. Didn't see that. Ah goddamnit. + Show Spoiler [Macro meme] + ![[image loading]](http://i.qkme.me/3uyjcq.jpg) I still hold my belief that BC is town and that was my main reasoning to call Sk8r mafia. I don't know who to vote for at this point. I'd love to see others who disappeared(acrofales where are you) Dandel, what was the reasoning to lynch s0lstice again? He made a post that I liked concerning austin, altho it could be just pressuring an afk player, or austin could be just fine with whatever is going on. Dandel switches next - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 05:15 Dandel Ion wrote: So how y'all feeling about switching to snb? Instead of no-lynching, we might as well save us the vig shot. [As an aside, SnB still a solid vig shot] kita pulls his vote off among these posts - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 04:46 kitaman27 wrote: So are you saying his role was responsible for the BC roleblock? On June 24 2013 05:19 kitaman27 wrote: I'd much rather do s0Lsticec than S&B. For me, s&b is a complete lurker null, compared to s0L where I'm leaning mafia. WoS, if you'll stop at nothing to see him flipped, why are you so quick to conclude that he's not getting lynched? ****#1 TAKEAWAY FROM THIS SO FAR - HOLY BALLS THE LANGUAGE IS CONFUSING. BC WAS NOT BLOCKED BUT HAD A SHOT REFUNDED. CROSSFIRE DOES NOT KNOW HOW BC WAS ROLEBLOCKED, BUT DOES KNOW HOW SKATER SURVIVED. BUT THE REST OF US CAN'T TELL WORTH ANYTHING WHETHER THE WAY IN WHICH CROSSFIRE THINKS SKATER SURVIVED IS ONE THAT WOULD REFUND BC'S BULLET OR NOT. EVERYONE'S INTERPRETATION OF THE VAGARIES OF THESE POSTS MATTERS A BUNCH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE CLEAR REASONS FOR VOTES TO CHANGE IN SOME CASES**** geript unvotes because - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 05:30 geript wrote: /sheep gonzaw Then kurumi is the last to unvote skater, but at no point has seemed to think that skater is town or telling the truth. All that nonsense is to say, acro, that your post is butt. I completely disagree with you saying crossfire "basically singehandedly stopped the lynch on skater." The only person who appears to have been directly swayed by crossfire is kita, and kita didn't even get a fully clear answer to his question of whether skater's role was responsible for BC's refunded bullet, or whether skater's role should have allowed him to survive in a different manner. A bunch of the votes were just...wagon votes because skater never quite got to majority. Two of the unvotes appear to be pure sheeping of something else. Kurumi still thinks skater is scum as far as I can tell. You're assigning a lot of credit to crossfire here, him singlehandedly stopping a lynch, and it doesn't read that way AT ALL. Do you disagree? Do you actually think those votes swapped due to Crossfire's comments about making a role? | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:48 Xatalos wrote: Acro disagreed with how I read crossfire.Ugh. This is maybe the first post where my first reaction was "too long, didn't read". At least you should work on making your text easier to understand. Trying to understand it now.. I disagree with his reading, and I think he's misrepresenting how Crossfire's rolemaker claim impacted the lynch, and doing so to make me look shady. | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote: Blech, I keep writing longwinded responses that look like that prior post and then deleting them. Here's the short of it: I'm doing two things, and doing neither of them well. Look guys! I'll throw out a test balloon, and when it hilariously backfires and someone calls me scum, I will backpedal as fast as I can. Additionally, now that you have exhaustively gone through the context, you're still wrong. Whether they were "sheep votes" or not, it is completely clear that Xfire killed the momentum in that lynch. Half of my case was based on the fact that sk8er reacted in a non-townlike manner to expecting to die. sk8er himself then claimed (a little bit) how his role worked, which isn't enough because who knows whether he's telling the truth. Xfire confirmed that it was either the truth or they're both lying scum (highly unlikely). So the very fact that his role prevented him from dying debunked most of my case. And when I read the thread upon returning from the park (not sleeping, you derps), I wondered why sk8er hadn't been lynched, and that was the exact moment in the thread where I thought "yeah, I wouldn't lynch sk8er anymore at this point". So... you wrote ALL of that to call me BAD? Or are you calling Xfire scum? Or what exactly are you doing? I know I'd be happy with your head on a stake tomorrow. Everyone is overly focused today on BC/skater, their continued argument, trying to get them to stop arguing, etc. Or at least, they were when I started that post. I wanted to go look at the OTHER important thing that happened D1 - all the vote swaps towards the end of the day. There's scum to be found somewhere in all of that, and it's more worthwhile than playing the BC/skater game. That all got wrapped up in trying to figure out your sniping at me last night, and all my looking at the early vote swaps looks crappy now cuz I was trying to figure out why you came to the conclusion you did. As far as crossfire, same as before - that defense post on skater is 100% air. I don't think he moved mountains and re-directed the lynch. Still seems scummy, same as before, not "backpedaling," not whatever. As far as you, I'm not quite sure. I can't get a legit read on whether you actually interpret what's happened like that, or you're twisting things slightly to try to set me up as a mislynch. There, that's the shortest version I can get. | ||
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Xata, part of my role involves making sure people don't have bears. That PM is related to me. Shame on you for having a bear. | ||
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On June 25 2013 06:30 Xatalos wrote: BC claims he got his bullet back. He shoots Meapak. Meapak red, BC as town as you can get. Meapak not red, BC probably about as lynched as you can get.That sounds really overpowered. Hmm. Well, we have to lynch A) you or B) Meapak now. I liked Meapak's case on WOS but he's been lurking otherwise. Brb rereading filters. Just the fact that it easily plays out like that means he's almost certainly not lying. On June 25 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote: This doesn't actually make me feel good. You're dead, but not dead, can scumhunt, but sticking with "Oh also, I'm not a threat to anyone"?Ill leave it up to Geript to reveal the rest of my role If he so chooses. For now consider me someone who is no threat to anyone, yet still ablt to scumhunt. | ||
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On June 25 2013 12:03 gonzaw wrote: Even more than Aperture, just look at Chrono Trigger. I replaced in, was super-duper-mega caught, fought my ass off to get phagga (i think) lynched late in the game and died next day. I'm not lurky scum.Hmm, random thoughts about scum austin: So, would scum austin be this "submissive"? I mean, for instance look back at Aperture 2. He was obviously trying there (as scum), he tried to appear town and play the game, he wanted to live long and survive. He doesn't do that now. He's inactive as hell, and when he's here he just makes 1 illegible big post and leaves. Okay, maybe he just thinks the scumteam is fine and he has little time so he doesn't even try....but that doesn't seem like it. MZ was scum, he was lurky and didn't really put himself up to survive for a long time, or try to push town around, etc. Some people, like Dandel/Xata/BC are town (let's assume that just for the sake of this argument), so the scumteam would be a bunch of lurkers doing little then? If that's the case...would austin REALLY act like this? If I'm getting the correct sensation about this scumteam, then it seems to me scum austin would try to gain control of the situation. At the very least discussin and being that "tryhard townie" he was in previous games as scum (at least when he is active, he could still be mildly inactive due to IRL). The straw polls and focus groups were me. I don't have full control of the presents I bring, and the answers I get back from those PMs determine what I can do at night. I told BC to look in the mirror for presents, hoping he'd vote himself and someone would choose a defensive role that I could assign him. He didn't vote himself. Because I didn't hear back from him, I assigned a one-night vet last night to the dude that BC voted for. The dude has not revealed that he was a vet last night. Here's a thing that seems overlooked: On June 22 2013 07:16 deconduo wrote: [center]Day 1 As day dawned over the asteroid know as Demon's Run, Colonel Manton fidgeted nervously. "Relax, everything is going to go as planned" assured Madame Kovarian. "The Doctor will play right into our hands. He doesn't know anything about patience or planning, he's going to rush in and fall completely into the trap we've laid." She was interrupted by explosions going off and alarms sounding around the base. "Get to your positions!" ordered the Colonel, as the Headless Monks drew their swords. D1 post - Colonel Manton, Madame Kovarian, Headless Monks all in red. On June 25 2013 07:00 deconduo wrote: Rose Tyler had been acting increasingly suspicious, and eventually someone acted on it. A sword ripped through her stomach and she dissolved into a heap of fleshy goo. Colonel Manton laughed far away in his control room, "Looks like they figured out about our Doppelgängers." A voice responded from the shadows, "Looks like you forgot to watch your back" Meapak_Ziphh as Rose Tyler as Colonel Manton has been eviscerated. + Show Spoiler + You are Colonel Manton In order to trick the doctor you and your allies have kidnapped and disguised as some of his allies. In addition you have taken their powers. [Redacted] Your allies are: [Redacted] You have a [Redacted] You win with The Church Your disguise is as follows: --------- You are Rose Tyler! You are a capable and resourceful companion to the Doctor. Throughout your journeys together, you have proven capable of taking the initiative and defusing difficult situations on your own. As such, your own influence is considerable, and you are bound and determined to get people talking. During the day phase, you may PM the host with the names of two players. These two players will then be masoned for the following night phase. Rose Tyler will have read only access to the mason QT, and the masoned players will not be directly told that there is someone observing. At any point in the game, you may permanently give up this power and assume the form of 'the Bad Wolf' by typing ##gaze into the Heart of the TARDIS in thread. The Bad Wolf means business. In the form of 'the Bad Wolf,' you become a dealer of death, and gain one vigilante bullet. This bullet can be used at any time. If used during the day, the Bad Wolf must type ##divide atoms (target) in thread to perform the shot. If used at night, the shot functions as a typical vigilante shot. If the shot is targeted at the Doctor, 'the Bad Wolf' instead deals 1KP to herself. Note to hosts: This is my first PTP so I'm not sure if this is broken as hell. I wanted to include the Bad Wolf storyline for Rose, but it's hard to make this anything other than a KP dealing role. So I ended up with what is essentially a vigilante with flair...a gun with a little bit of extra investigative/manipulative power. You win with The Alliance Meapak's flip as Colonel Manton. Doesn't PROVE, but makes LIKELY, that there is a 3-man red scum team. This isn't a case where the daypost flipped co-hosts or something, it mentioned 3 red brosephs and 1 red scum has flipped as one of said broseph. So the conclusion I draw is that either there is a second faction out there or we've got a couple 3Ps floating around. Finding them not a priority at this point, but I don't currently consider shots and votes as making someone TOWN. I think, at best, we're finding people who weren't scum with Meapak. | ||
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Instead, I propose lynching the dude who's asking for the TARDIS, indicating that he knows something we don't know (or I didn't know), saying that he needs it AND protection so he can win the game for town, saying that he GOT the TARDIS, and then promptly...oh right, we don't know. We have no idea what's going on over there. People who want specific items for specific reasons in games like this generally don't want them for happy reasons, imo. As a bonus, this is the weirdest single exchange since meapak got shot: On June 25 2013 09:56 gonzaw wrote: 4)Vig shot on snb anyone? Or I guess he'll get replaced now since he's not showing up...in which case...vig shot on snb's replacement anyone? On June 25 2013 10:04 kitaman27 wrote: Why not call a vig on the player you think is most likely to be scum, rather than a random shot in the dark? On June 25 2013 10:21 gonzaw wrote: You mean, why not call vig on a random player I'm not sure is scum yet (austin? or Xfire? or Kurumi?), rather than an anti-town dude that was inactive since 48 hours ago (or more) and will either vote and do shit or be replaced by someone on N2 (so we have 0 info on that guy)? Read guides, vig shots are not just an ego-boost to shoot people you think are scum That exchange is entirely ridiculous. Pretty much urrbody and their mothers says use vigi shots to kill unknowns, because lynching pure question marks gets you very little. I can't find it with 30 seconds of searching, but I'm pretty sure I remember Ace telling people to vig unknowns. As well as a couple other guides. It's not at all a "wrong" thing to do, and kita getting so touchy about it really rubs me the wrong way, as does the way he's phrasing it. This is not a vig shot in the dark at a random dude. This is a dude who has not been playing, therefore we dont' have much to read him off of. Those are good vig targets, and pretty much consensus good vig targets. Gut read is that kita just doesn't want snb shot, and the two are connected. ##vote: kitaman27 | ||
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On June 26 2013 00:05 Dandel Ion wrote: 2 peopel choose roles, 2 people choose names.so how many ppl got the role picks and can you choose who does it The role list is same every day, I choose 4 names each day. I assign one chosen role to one chosen player during the night, they have that power for that night. I can only assign bus passenger as a role if BOTH role-choosers choose that, and then I bus the two chosen players (or one chosen player and a player of my choosing if both name-choosers choose the same name). I know you didn't choose vet. But I made this role because I liked the idea of having a power that you weren't entirely in control of. I get to choose the name list and who to send to. Those people get to choose the boundaries of my night action. I get to choose a particular night action within the set they give me. Didn't realize how...powerless you feel when you have so little control over your ability, and I went with vet over your chosen role because it's less fun to let someone else pick what you can do AND let someone else choose the end effect of your role at night. | ||
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On June 26 2013 00:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Each applies only for that night, so it vanished at the end of N1.Austin, did the power you gave to my choice vanish after the night? Or does it stay on until its used? | ||
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As I wrote and understood the role, he would have been messaged that he was being made a vet for N1 during the night. It also wouldn't make sense for the hosts NOT to message the guy, because if I give medic/vigi/rb, the guy has to use his power and so has to be notified. So he should have known, but didn't say anything. For anyone halfway following, BC voted for kitaman yesterday, and I made kitaman a vet last night. He didn't claim it last night, which is fine, because announcing you're a vet sort of negates it. But he didn't say today "Hey guys, someone made me a vet last night," which is NOT cool because he's hiding information that doesn't really affect the game going forward. | ||
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On June 26 2013 01:22 Dandel Ion wrote: Already did, see above. I need to know who picked Vet. So I can slap him. Actually, since it's not here anymore, you might as well claim who got it... I need to send out today's, and now that the cat's out of the bag I can't really be sneaky with it and try to use it to gain extra information. My initial thought is to put gonzaw, kurumi, and BC on the list, ask people to choose defensive roles, give one of em medic or vet. If anyone's got a better idea, let me know, but I'd like to stick one of them + 1 random on role choosing, and then two of them on person-choosing. If they don't announce, scum won't know exactly who is getting something, and whether one of them is vet protted or has a medic to use tonight. | ||
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On June 26 2013 02:03 kitaman27 wrote: I made you a vet last night.Not sure what this is a reference to. I didn't receive any notification that I was a vet last night. However, I re-read the role PM and notes I sent in, and I didn't include a note that the target of my night action should always be notified of what they got. I assumed it in my head since vigi/medic/roleblocker wouldn't work if there was no notification. Double-checking on this. | ||
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On June 26 2013 04:46 Dandel Ion wrote: tl;dr: make me give a shit you two ##Ex-lax: Dandel Ion On June 26 2013 04:42 gonzaw wrote: austin convince me you are town, come on ##Ex-lax: gonzaw? | ||
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On June 26 2013 04:52 Dandel Ion wrote: You know kita also tried too hard to be funny look where that got him True. But it made me smile, and I tend to be more involved if I can enjoy the game. Falling behind here didn't generate the enjoyment. Therefore, I'm afraid I need to give you the ex-lax. | ||
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On June 26 2013 05:30 gonzaw wrote: Knowing that he didn't know he was a vet makes him look slightly better. Didn't understand him not revealing that. Also hey austin, how about you stop talking about setup shit and discuss whether kita's post/claim etc has any effect on your case on him or not, if you want to lynch him or not, etc? ... I want to vote you, but I'll have to wait for kita to arrive with his PTP claim and his "2nd half", and I'm gonna read Kurumi now (and maybe geript). But his response to pressure today doesn't ring true to me. He had the big posts during the night with the pictures, GIMME THE TARDIS GIMME GIMME. And apparently he got it. But he didn't claim at that point, the point at which, according to him, he became a pure survivor (having satisfied the other bit of his win-con). He waits, because: On June 26 2013 02:47 kitaman27 wrote: (1) kita is super worried about NKs, despite their being players who look far more townie / are doing more pro-town stuff with their activity. He's been around a long time, but so have other players this game, so it's not a case of him just getting popped for being veteran-yWasn't going to claim until N2 to inform the mafia team not to night hit me, but then I got a bit too trolly so I figured I'd be better off claiming now. (2) kita was going to wait and claim N2 because ... he didn't want to be NKed. He could have claimed immediately if that's his only concern. Again, according to him, once he got the TARDIS, all he does is try to survive. No reason to wait 48 hours before saying "Oh hey guys, I'm a survivor, mafia please don't kill me." (3) I still actually really dislike the not vigging snb comments. They don't jive AT ALL with what I understand to be conventional wisdom held by respected players. They read as an attempt to cover snb, which doesn't fit with kita being a lone survivor. This is important. Kita has said he's a survivor, 3P, all he has to do is survive. He's got NO REASON to not want snb shot in that position. Hey hey, again, important. Kita as 3P survivor has no reason to care whether or not snb gets shot. No matter who is vigged, kita is 1 person closer to fulfilling his wincon. But he picks a fight over that, like, seriously responds to your comments. His response there is no a 3P survivor response. It's the response of someone concerned with what happens to other players. He's not a survivor. He didn't claim the moment he could have, for a bad reason. He expressed interest in things that a survivor wouldn't care about. | ||
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On June 26 2013 05:38 geript wrote: meh I wanna do shit ##Mortal kombat Kita and shit bongo bongo. This creates a random vote thing from 3 ppl. Whoever has more votes gets killed and stuff. English good. What did you do? Gonzaw, I forget where the comment was exactly, I think BC wrote it, but kurumi very unlikely for ANY scum. I actually trust him more than you and maybe BC at this point to just be pure town. Kurumi can either make others inventors, or can make other people into roles, and can do so silently. If kurumi makes inventors, he could (1) make a scumbuddy an inventor, because HOLY HELL WHO DOES NOT WANT AN INVENTOR ON THEIR TEAM; (2) make a non-scumbuddy an inventor, because OH MY GOD WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT NOW YOU'VE TOLD A TOWNIE TO MAKE THE MOST OP THING THEY CAN AND YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT. It doesn't even fit from a "Suboptimal use of ability in order to generate fun" standpoint, because HOLY HELL WHAT IS MORE FUN THAN COMING UP WITH A SCUM INVENTION IN YOUR QT. If Kurumi makes people any role, then the same stuff applies. You wouldn't give a non-scumbuddy inventor, you could just give them something crappy. Unless BC is ALSO scum with kurumi (unlikely), then kurumi almost certainly not scum. | ||
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On June 26 2013 05:58 kitaman27 wrote: You're trying to avoid what I'm saying, although geript may be making that a non-issueShow me a respected player that disagrees with my assessment that scummy players should be vig shot. Cmon now, you're just terrible. I don't disagree that "scummy players should be vig shot." I disagree with your comment that NULL players SHOULDN'T be shot, that we should be shooting at a list of scummy dudes over pure ?s. More specifically, I disagree with how strongly you reacted, like this was the most nonsensical thing in the world to shoot null players, and should never ever be considered. I swear there's another Ace post in a guide, and a couple in postgames, about blowing away null players, but this was the closest I could find on short notice - + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2011 11:11 Ace wrote: Not the clear statement or the guide that I was remembering, but this is from Ace's Magical Vigi/Cop Guide. Liars > Nonsense > lurkers. Lying and nonsense are scummy, but there's no general "scummy" there, still...this is NOT clearly against your comment. This isn't hard. In fact a lot of this comes down to either A.) common sense or B.) reading. I guarantee you if you follow these guidelines you will bump the town's chances of winning up considerably. Vigilante Priority 0: Shoot liars. Some players still try and spin these stupid fairy tales saying that lying helps the town. They also believe Voldemort is real. Don't listen to them. Without going in depth about why lying is bad just follow this statement - SHOOT first. There are very few instances where lying benefits the town. Even then it usually ends up benefiting the Mafia much more. When players sign up for a game in which they know multiple people playing aren't stupid enough to let all their lies go unpunished they have to step their game up considerably. Look at all the terrible games that are littered around this forum. You want to know a recurring theme? Townies lying trying to make a hero play, and then Scum lying since that is now the temporary "way to look town". Shoot before it hits LYLO with 3 people that have roles that can't be confirmed. In fact shoot them because when a player lies about being a Cop and the real Cop gets night killed or lynched the game is essentially over. DONT LET IT GET TO THIS POINT. EVER. Nothing sucks more than an end game scenario with tons of WIFOM. Priority 1: Shoot people that are talking nonsense. Activity doesn't make someone pro-town. You shoot people that are saying one thing but doing another. This goes especially for people using meta arguments that do things scummy regardless of alignment. Shoot them Night 1 if the rules allow it. Along with this shoot players that will help untie clashing role claims, or clashing scenarios. If you're in a situation where the death of one player confirms something about another, shoot. Most players are braindead anyway and this is one of the few times where it helps to take matters into your own hands. Priority 2: Shoot lurkers This is almost a priority 0 but people that play Scummy are always best shot first. However, shooting lurkers establishes an awesome town meta. If people know other players won't stand for their inactivity, and the threat of a modkill leads to a ban they wont sign up. Likewise like I said in countless mafia games in the past: people that are defending themselves are much more likely to be valuable than people that don't. So shoot the people that lurk when called out all the time, and shoot the people that won't contribute after repeated prodding. They are USELESS to the town - kill them before it hits LYLO. You'll be sorry if it does. Again, not what I'm remembering - + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2011 06:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Inactivity / Stupidity I am lumping this issue together as the response from town should be very similar. If someone is inactive it lets mafia hide there if so desired, which happens in most games. Stupidity allows mafia to hide in the background and “appear” active from time to time while hiding behind this person or people. IF people are routinely inactive, or exceptionally spammy/stupid. Town is not wasting lynches if they lynch them, nor are vigilante’s wasting hits on them. These are players that hurt the town as much if not worse than mafia. *note – By stupid I mean people who are consistently pushing bad lynches, or spamming away decent posts. It does not matter if everyone recognizes they are town, if they are still being a negative force, or bulldogging bad views they should be ignored or removed. Town needs a clear head to play, discussion is good if its productive, if its not it only wastes daytime. Routinely inactive people hurt town as much if not worse than mafia. Not wasting vigi hits on them. Ta da! So again, either I'm making up the statements I remember or I can't find them, but these are ... heading in that direction? Blech. Does nobody else remember these comments? Maybe an ace postgame? On June 26 2013 06:11 gonzaw wrote: All austins of all alignments would generally be coming up with conspiracy theories about every possibility. I usually can't help it, and as scum the conspiracy theories let me muck up the thread while looking like I'm doing something AND looking like town me.Hmm austin, one thing that kind of bothers me is how convinced you are his claim is bogus and he's scum Town-austin would be coming out with conspiracy theories about every possibility, and determine if he's lying or not, ask him questions, then post a huge post with a theory, etc. You just seem to instantly figure out kita is fake-claiming as scum and manage to come up with all that shit? Seems a little bit like confirmation bias, you said "okay, kita is scum let's see what I can write about him if I assume he's scum and fake-claiming". Like, I thought the Tardis thing was weird, but: 1)If he's scum, would he do some stuff like that? Get the Tardis but keep it and not claiming shit? Or did he plan on fake-claiming survivor as scum all along? If so, wouldn't that hurt his scumteam? Instead of trying to blend in he just fake-claims 3P and hopes town doesn't kill him? For that Tardis thing to make sense scum kita should have planned fake-claiming 3P since BEFORE N1 ENDED, not just make it a half-assed claim after getting lots of votes (if that was the case, wtf was the Tardis thing about?) 3)If he's scum, then the Tardis thing would be something related to the PTP role he got right? So wouldn't his role creator just claim "hey, Tardis is super powerful and kita didn't claim he had it and bla bla bla"? 4)What about the breadcrumb? I don't remember scum fake-claiming 3P survivor and BREADCRUMBING it on their first post (like, did even iGrok do that shit with the original Balrog claim? After his claim I started thinking about all this shit to see if his claim is legit or not...why didn't you austin? + Show Spoiler + To the first question, he didn't claim/fakeclaim until he got pressured. He could no longer blend in. Announcing the TARDIS stuff was odd, yeah, so I dunno. I don't have anything about TARDIS in my PM. I don't entirely know what it does, whether someone created it as part of a role, etc. It sounds like multiple people have references to it in their roles. If you want conspiracy theory stuff, it's possible that it supercharges some roles, or grants them bonuses, in ways that are worth sticking one's neck out for. Scum kita still wouldn't claim "I'm 3P survivor and I need the TARDIS" on N1. 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***SHOT WENT OFF WHILE WRITING, I GUESS IGNORE IF THAT WAS JUST THE SHOT?*** (2) I don't like this whole TARDIS bit. Without going into length, there are 18,000 things wrong with these claims. For one, this bit: On June 26 2013 11:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: So awkward, how did Kita know i started with the Tardis >_>. It's not even that good just saying. You have to give up a night of your actual role to use it, I got lucky that I used my role during day and then TARDis'd at night. On June 26 2013 22:12 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Use Tardis @ day -> Pass Tardis to Sol Sol die -> Tardis randomly distributed to player Get Tardis back -> OMG WUT LUCK, Use Tardis at night -> Pass to Kita I never said it can only be passed at night. Stop manipulating my words. Among all the other stuff is why s0Lstice? On June 24 2013 02:29 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: About Sol, I have good reason to believe he is town atm. I will post my read on him tomorrow. Last post for the day. On June 24 2013 05:43 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: I can prove solstice is town tomorrow depending on how the night goes. I will not be on the lynch train against him. Never explained. Perhaps this is "I passed solstice the TARDIS and he didn't say anything." If that's the case, ... why did he pass the TARDIS to solstice in the first place?
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On June 27 2013 02:56 WaveofShadow wrote: For everyone who wants to lynch Sk8r, I still find it fairly unlikly that he is scum, but I probably can't trust my reads even more so than usual in a game like this. Random thoughts: if kita is telling the truth we can't afford to kill him since our numbers have dwindled heavily. Gonzaw use your shot; hopefully some of this clusterfuck will be cleared up and hopefully you won't hit BC. Did you get a PM from my role last night? I used you as one of my peeps, but I included an alternate target if stumpWoS wasn't a valid target. | ||
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On June 27 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Xatalos was my alternate for you. I needed 4 targets, 2 for the role question and 2 for the person question.I did not. I guess I'm not a valid target for role abilities anymore which kinda makes me sad. Who was your alternate target, since you didn't have a problem telling the thread I was your primary? Figured I'd use you though, to see what exactly is up with your new gig. If Xatalos received a PM, then you can't be targeted by actions. Which I assume means you're really dead and really can't vote, and this isn't anything shenaniganilicious. | ||
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Does anyone who isn't kita or skater have a mention of the TARDIS in their role PMs? Anything positive about it? So far, solstice apparently got the TARDIS and is now dead, never having been able to confirm. Kita apparently has it now, was supposed to die, and now dandel is dead. Anyone trustworthy know anything about what TARDIS does? | ||
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On June 27 2013 03:44 gonzaw wrote: Quick version, trying to finish some work.Also austin tell me what you are doing with that "poll" stuff, I already forgot what you were going on about it (1) During Day phase, I send 4 PMs to people of my choosing
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Just choose defensive crap or vigi, people pickers choose people, and I'll stick em together tonight or you can direct if you don't trust. Choosing medic or vigi should verify that this is actually what I'm doing, since vet does NOT notify the person that they have been veteraned for the night. | ||
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On June 27 2013 04:01 gonzaw wrote: I didn't write anything for if I die, so I'm unsure. I assume it goes through because I actually have to assign early in the night, so that the other person has time to act. So mine should go through, and then if THEY die they can't act, but they can verify they got a PM earlier in the night maybe? WHat happens if you die? If you don't die (somehow), then this is how it goes: I choose myself The other PM guy chooses BC You choose medic, and WIFOM between the 2 of us. The one that gets that role, medics the other. So if you choose me+medic, I'll protect BC If you choose BC+medic, BC will protect me If you are scum it won't really matter because you'll either die to today's lynch or just kill the guy you didn't choose, but maybe you are town (somehow) or even if you are scum maybe you WIFOM and not kill the unprotected dude. Or you could choose Vet as well, works either way (scum have 1 KP (hopefully), and 1 random out of me+BC will be protected 100%, they have to either gamble or play it safe and let us both live) If nothing else, you can choose medic, WIFOM between you guys, and then right before deadline announce that you were actually medic for the night, in case of shotses. | ||
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On June 27 2013 04:06 gonzaw wrote: Maybe you want....like...answer the shit I said about you as well? You know....like you should have done by now? Yes yes, I know, I'm crazy, but just bear with me here! Which stuff specifically? I know I've spoken to some things, but not all. Reads on people I was scummy on? Also, NO BEARS. | ||
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If you want to grill me about crap, you're more than welcome to in a moment and I can give quicker answers. If not, I'm gonna go back and look at D1 voting/timing of the solstice shot more. We haven't done enough of that besides people noting that I didn't get lynched and so everyone who didn't lynch is mafia because I've got to be mafia. | ||
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On June 27 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote: If this is true then skater could not have passed the TARDIS to solstice during D1?You pass it when you use it and the new person receives it at the beginning of the next phase (eg. use it during the day, someone gets it at night), and then can be used immediately, so if Kita used the TARDIS which he had to have to not be dead right now, someone is getting the TARDIS at night tonight. This whole passing thing is what changed, so that's why I was confused. | ||
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Gonzaw, Kurumi Based on the inventor stuff + Show Spoiler + Kurumi can either make others inventors, or can make other people into roles, and can do so silently. If kurumi makes inventors, he could (1) make a scumbuddy an inventor, because HOLY HELL WHO DOES NOT WANT AN INVENTOR ON THEIR TEAM; (2) make a non-scumbuddy an inventor, because OH MY GOD WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT NOW YOU'VE TOLD A TOWNIE TO MAKE THE MOST OP THING THEY CAN AND YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT. It doesn't even fit from a "Suboptimal use of ability in order to generate fun" standpoint, because HOLY HELL WHAT IS MORE FUN THAN COMING UP WITH A SCUM INVENTION IN YOUR QT. If Kurumi makes people any role, then the same stuff applies. You wouldn't give a non-scumbuddy inventor, you could just give them something crappy. Unless BC is ALSO scum with kurumi (unlikely), then kurumi almost certainly not scum. Also, the thing that worried me MOST about kurumi's filter was that weird bit saying acro had gone to bed, when that wasn't in thread. Acro flipped town, so it's not like he posted in scum QT that he was going to sleep and Kurumi slipped. I'd like to see more kurumi, generally enjoy trying to decipher his posts, but the role usage catapulted him to the top of my townreads. Even more so now that he apparently passed out another invention. Xfire Well, I had written that there wasn't anything that had happened with him really, and now there is. I still maintain that his original defense of skater wasn't solid. I don't like ANY of this "I created x's role, and I see how x used it, therefore he's more likely town/scum" stuff, because in most cases that says nothing. Unless everyone knows how the role actually works, post-any-changes, and unless the role creator is super mega townie, saying you know someone's role and they're using it in a townie way is (a) not at all helpful and (b) not convincing if their PLAY itself isn't in town's favor. If what you're contributing is information that is subjective AND can't be verified, you're not actually giving us anything. But as of now, there's more to go off of, or...there will be shortly. Need to see how stuff about his role/skater plays out. Zephir stuff is more roomy, need to move to a separate post. | ||
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On June 27 2013 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Cuz I'm busy looking at Zephir and meapak, and still don't trust kita either.Austin and Xfire. Why are you not voting Sk8? Moving the vote to consolidate now. | ||
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Kurumi please choose MEDIC. WoS or Xatalos please choose VIGILANTE. BC please choose BC Gonzaw please choose GONZAW. That way, I can assign either medic or vigilante to one of you two tonight. No overlap, maximum options. Depending on what comes out of all this, having both a defensive and offensive role seems best. | ||
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On June 27 2013 05:07 austinmcc wrote: HEY HEY HEY. If you haven't yet sent in answers (or can change): Kurumi please choose MEDIC. WoS or Xatalos please choose VIGILANTE. BC please choose BC Gonzaw please choose GONZAW. That way, I can assign either medic or vigilante to one of you two tonight. No overlap, maximum options. Depending on what comes out of all this, having both a defensive and offensive role seems best. | ||
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On June 27 2013 05:30 Xatalos wrote: Dislikes:Just came back and read through the latest pages fast. The first thing that came to my mind is that please, please don't make random abilities anymore. Dandel Ion (I don't think anyone thought he was scum?) and Zephirdd (almost confirmed as town by Meapak) died because of random chance (not sure why exactly Zephirdd died though) basically....... Not something I want to see in a game of Mafia. I also got this PM: You have been asked to participate in a focus group today. Please select one of the following before the end of the day phase: Vigilante Medic Veteran Roleblocker Bus Passenger Thank you for your participation! Most of my townreads are now dead, but Gonzaw/BC, which should I pick? Looks like austinmcc and Kurumi are using some kind of power-sharing to gain towncred? I guess that's fine regardless of their alignment, and certainly more townish than sharing them with scum, but neither of them doing (almost) anything outside of that makes me doubt. It could be just an easy way to gain towncred and survive without scumhunting. Could we also get a votecount please? I'm in the dark about who has how many votes and how much time we have. And how many do we need for lynch? If austinmcc's power-sharing thing makes him worth keeping alive, then so be it, although I think he'd be our best bet for scum lynch. I can't think of any better candidate though and it's getting somewhat desperate with 2 dead suddenly... Although after considering the chance of Kurumi/austinmcc using their ability to easily gain towncred, I came to the conclusion that the same could be said about sk8r/Crossfire99. In fact they've done less than what Kurumi/austinmcc are apparently doing, meaning something clearly beneficial for town. Could someone credible make a quick summary of what all of these 4 have achieved / are supposedly achieving with their powers in the near future? Gonzaw's conspiracy theory with me is pretty funny. It makes me feel he's even more townish though, since that paranoid attitude is just so townish. I should read it again though to find possible flaws. But now I'm going to post this and see what all happened in between starting this and finishing it... (1) Afaik, we don't know how DI died. Why do you say it was random chance? (2) Calls me out for not scumhunting, proceedings to say he can't think of a lynch candidate besides me (3) skater and crossfire referenced, but only with relation to their powers, not anything of substance Anyone else get bad vibes off this? | ||
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Something is still really wrong with this whole TARDIS bit, and really wrong with him just needing to touch the TARDIS one time and then he's pure survivor. | ||
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You said you created skater's role and the TARDIS thing, right? If geript has an ability that basically says "Deal 1 KP to kita" and kita uses the TARDIS, is there a use that saves kita? If so, does that use somehow kill someone else, redirect any damage done to kita, etc.? | ||
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On June 27 2013 05:58 Crossfire99 wrote: I thought that was with reference to you bus driving them using your power that Gonzaw created.He can choose to use the TARDIS to medic himself or bus drive himself with someone else in that instance. I also talked about that here. So unless another actor was involved here and killed DI, kita bus drove himself with DI and swapped geript's kill from himself to DI? | ||
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On June 27 2013 06:07 Kurumi wrote: Guaranteed to be a role in PTP5where is my secret anal machine | ||
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PM confirms that, barring no other actor, kita bussed himself with DI. PMs ALSO confirm that TL mafia players are creepy, because I had considered a choose-your-own-adventure power (Gonzaw seems to have made) AND a latvian joke power (also done) Crossfire, what do you know about booby trapping the TARDIS or draining it of energy? | ||
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On June 27 2013 06:56 Xatalos wrote: geript said he targeted Kita for some one-on-one combat thingWhat's this supposed to mean? How can you know that kita bussed DI? If true however, it means kita is 100% scum. as I understand it, kita made geript's role people got PMs asking them to vote for one of the two kita did not die DI died, and his death flavor mentioned the geript/kita thing SO EITHER: geript is lying and just killed DI or kita used the TARDIS to bus himself and kill DI or unknown actor did a thing geript's use of the ability of semi-confirmed by the voters, who said they got PM. UNLESS geript and kita are working together, geript's use of the ability is also confirmed more or less by kita, who made geript's role and didn't say "That's not how it works!" So the first option is really farfetched kita passed the TARDIS to kurumi and is not dead. In using the TARDIS, he either (1) medic-ed himself (explains him not dying, does not explain DI dying) OR (2) bussed himself (either with DI, explaining everything, or with someone else and a random third party screwed everything up) Out of those options, the most explain-y is that Kita bussed himself with DI. It means geript's role worked as he said, kita survived because he used the TARDIS, and DI died due to the bussing, explaining somewhat his kill flavor It's not 100%, yeah. But it fits quite well. Moreover, kita popped in to say he was passing the TARDIS to kurumi. He said nothing about DI dying. You would think that if kita just medicced himself, he'd go "AMG GAIZ HOW DID DI DIE?" | ||
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Nothing else makes much sense. kita can only choose to bus with a voter? no sense, skater's pm didn't limit bussing like that. the bus is random? skater's pm didn't limit bussing like that. kita's role imposes some limit that all his actions are random? we're all horribly horribly wrong and kita didn't want to kill the towniest townies because they aren't townie? If it's the last one, we're boned anyhow, so it should be something else. | ||
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kita's reasons behind his bus on DI make no sense to me. If he were a survivor, he should have been trying to kill mafia. If he busses and kills mafia, he gets on town's good side, he's unlikely to be an immediate lynch candidate, and it brings him closer to endgame (quicker for him to kill mafia than town). He thought I was mafia yesterday, but didn't use his bus on me. He used it on DI, but it's unclear what kita thought about DI: I eliminated a player that brought no value to town and seems to have a personal vendetta against myself. However, even if you cut the head off a cockroach, it will still run around aimlessly for a while. Dandel is the type of player that would rather see myself lynched over all else, even if it resulted in a mafia victory. Do I even need to remind you guys that his town flip was fake? His big post says Dandel brought no value to town and was gonna tunnel kita even if it resulted in mafia victory. Those statements indicate he thinks dandel is town.But he also says DI's flip was fake, and On June 27 2013 22:41 kitaman27 wrote: Not my fault you masked the alignment and revived my scum snipe. That's your problem. Those sentences don't go together. DI wasn't helping town and was gonna tunnel kita, but also was scum. Moreover, he thought I was scum yesterday, seems to still think I'm scum, and chose to fire at DI over me. If he's worried about being tunneled by DI, you know what helps get DI off your back? Shooting your scumread. He thinks I'm scum, so why didn't he bus me, expect to flip scum, knowing that once he did that DI would be happy with him and stop tunnelling, at least for a bit? Because he's not a survivor. Tinfoil hat time, with relation to the above. kita and DI scumteam. kita knows DI will rez, AND that he gets to choose what he flips as. kita shoots DI, DI chooses to flip with a town PM. DI resurrects, and they go at each other hard. kita knows that he's about to get killed, by shot or by lynch, and if scum doesn't have anyone in a position above reproach, this lets them maneuver DI into that spot. kita shoots DI, DI flips town, kita and DI go at each other, kita dies, poof. DI has already flipped town AND had a spat with kita. He now looks SUPER TOWN when kita dies. Does not seem as likely as ... regular options, unless drazerk is smurfing as one of the two. If DI were mafia, may as well wait as long as possible to die, still flip town, still look town, even without the extra push from kita. | ||
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do you know what the TARDIS being drained of energy means? Can you use it this cycle? Multiple players have mentioned you bussing folks tonight, but I took the out of energy thing to mean that you couldn't protect yourself or bus. | ||
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On June 26 2013 07:38 kitaman27 wrote: @gonzaw, I'm the Fallen Angel Did anyone write this role? | ||
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On June 28 2013 00:46 Dandel Ion wrote: Yeah, but...they make no sense whatsoever.kita's words make no sense cause he pulls em out of his ass. Like for reasoning for bussing me he quotes posts I posted AFTER I resurrected. herpada derpa If they don't make sense, why post em? He's trying to do something, and that something isn't "make myself look good." Ugh. DI, if every player in this game except for you were a sock, and you were a washing machine that was washing all the socks... (1) Which sock is most likely to get lost in the wash? (2) Assuming it's winter and the owner of all of us likes to wear socks, which pair of socks is warmest? (3) this was not my best set of stupid questions. | ||
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A lot of the actual stuff in crossfire's filter at this point is about the TARDIS and about his role. But frankly, as someone who didn't make crossfire's role, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT THE EFF IS GOING ON IN THESE POSTS. Clear this up, because it's actually more to go on than most anything else in his filter. On June 27 2013 04:36 Crossfire99 wrote: Sorry for disappearing, I've been really busy. I'm here now until lynch. Gonzaw you're right that I have your role, but I didn't use any abilities last night because I didn't want to waste anything when I wasn't sure about people. I didn't get any new abilities, maybe because I didn't use anything last night T_T. On June 27 2013 04:45 Crossfire99 wrote: Yeah I already said I used none of those abilities/items last night, which I think is the reason I didn't gain any items to use today. On June 27 2013 05:02 Crossfire99 wrote: 1) stay and fight. I lost, but after resting I met Lina. I choose to take the tazer and not the bat that she offered me. I have gotten no new pms after sending that last choice in. On June 27 2013 05:09 Crossfire99 wrote: Are these statements contradictory? Could crossfire not use "items/abilities" and still choose to "stay and fight"? As a third party, I can't actually piece this stuff together, because you keep saying he had to do x, or would have done y, and he keeps saying he didn't do those things.Oh, I'm confused. I got no pm's telling me of no abilities whatsoever. I only got story pms with choices. I made 2 choices and received no new abilities according to my knowledge. I did not know what the tazer or bat did. I haven't even gotten a pm telling me what my choice did yet. If crossfire actually had the option to do nothing AND we would have seen the effects of him doing something (an extra shot, someone claiming roleblock unless acro, etc.), THEN crossfire is very likely town, imo. If his claim of doing nothing is true, and he had the option to do something, I find that extremely townie. (Caveat: I checked his posting. He was here for the first 10 minutes of N1, but did not post again until D2. It's POSSIBLE that as mafia he was just gone and didn't send an action in, but I find non-action much more likely to be town unsure of game than mafia forgetting to send something in) However, if you can verify that he's surely lying about not acting - we saw an effect on the game from his action/he can't reach where he's at without acting, then he's mafia. Did he have to use an ability to get the taser? I cannot tell from the discussion you've had whether he's lying or not. Can one of the two of you be very, very clear as to how this role works? The filter is blah, there's not much hunting, and his defense of skater on D1 still strikes me as not actually saying anything, something I usually interpret as mafia defending a guy they know to be townie without having a good reason beyond outside knowledge. BUT, if he actually did not take an action N1, especially if the actions he could take were clearly labeled (Option A: Be a vig; Option B: Bus two dudes), then that is enough to make me find him townie. UNLESS: One of the clearly posted options was clearly townie. He said he didn't act because he was unsure of things. If there was a CLEAR options that was CLEARLY TOWN, a dt check, watcher/tracker, etc. then town would use those things on SOMEONE. Not using a clearly town power points towards mafia instead. So
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Gonzaw did you stop a hit last night? Also, I de-beared kurumi. Fook you, kurumi-killer. I need to get rid of these bears. I have no TARDIS, but we shouldn't be popping off anything that can be bussed until we know where it is. There's a chance it can't do anything while drained of energy, but ... a bussed shot couple be really bad for us right now. geript said he absorbs kp, kita made role. Dunno what we can actually get from that. | ||
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On June 28 2013 07:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Well what was the deal with it being 'drained of energy' last night? Does it have a limited number of uses? Was Kurumi somehow lied to when he had it? Possible that scum drain it when they touch it, or kita drains it when he touches it, and it recharges in one day? Scum don't really have a reason to note "Hey guys, I got the TARDIS and it powered back up, gonna use it to bus so a townie dies to geript's thing" | ||
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On June 28 2013 07:13 gonzaw wrote: The bears do nothing, afaik. You really think I'd write a role that doesn't involve bears that do nothing?Xfire can you tell me what your opfions for today are? Alsk i think austin claimed 3p las night and is now talking about bears and never told us what they do., thus they have to do with his win condition | ||
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On June 28 2013 07:19 Crossfire99 wrote: Also, apparently I wasn't chosen for the vote thingy. That pm was taken back lol. ^ | ||
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But barring a bunch of vig shots, I've still got juice. Currently NOBODY is claiming the TARDIS. So either scum has it, or...it being powered down means it didn't change hands? I don't think we can worry too much about it, given that we don't know what was up with the powered down TARDIS OR who has it. Also, I can't give WOS options. Already tried, didn't work. Only people, not stumps, and I send out 2 roles and 2 people, you guys don't choose both. My current plan is: you/BC/dandel/Crossfire you give me you BC give me BC dandel give me medic Crossfire give me vig That'll give us maximum options again, and ... even if crossfire is mafia he can't really do anything else. | ||
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On June 28 2013 09:53 gonzaw wrote: Is your campaign pro and anti-bear?Why can't scum and town get along like this in all games? We are all human people! Both town and scum! We can be together! Say no to Alignism. If you are town or scum you don't deserve to be treated differently. Occupy Lynch 2013 | ||
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On June 28 2013 09:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I need to de-bear everyone alive at endgame.What all is entailed with your bears yo. | ||
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On June 28 2013 10:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Don't think that's an option. Pretty sure everyone (possibly excluding me) has a bear.what happens if you visit someone who doesn't have a bear? If you find ... whatever the most recent other PTP game was, I created a similar bonus win con. | ||
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Sk8 -> gonzaw gonzaw -> Xfire austin -> austin BC -> BC Xatalos -> Xatalos kitaman -> geript geript -> WOS WOS -> Dandel Dandel -> Zephirdd Zephirdd -> Meapak_Ziphh Kurumi -> strongandbig Acrofales -> s0lstice Meapak_Ziphh -> ?? strongandbig -> ?? s0lstice -> ?? We don't know what roles MZ, snb, and solstice created. We do not know who made kita, kurumi, or acro's role. So...assuming all claims of x making y's role are true, a dead dude made kita's role. 3 dead makers, 3 unknown roles. | ||
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On June 29 2013 02:15 Crossfire99 wrote: Ugh. I don't know what i can do to convince you guys i'm not scum. How about this? Whatever happened to the role Zeph created, the mason dayvig role that has to have been used day 1 to kill solstice. We have all our dayvigs accounted for day 2. We know that I and austin can't be the mason dayvig role, so who has it? xata or kita? One of them is going to kill us again today, because they will have been recharged. P.S austin either lied or mistakenly said that zeph created meapak's role. I'm thinking lied because i believe kita's third party claim because i don't see him knowing about the TARDIS unless he's third party because I know I'm town. I went back to look because of this. Crossfire is right here, I think. I'm either mistaken or we've got some similar roles running around: Meapak's role involved masons and a vig shot + Show Spoiler + You are Rose Tyler! You are a capable and resourceful companion to the Doctor. Throughout your journeys together, you have proven capable of taking the initiative and defusing difficult situations on your own. As such, your own influence is considerable, and you are bound and determined to get people talking. During the day phase, you may PM the host with the names of two players. These two players will then be masoned for the following night phase. Rose Tyler will have read only access to the mason QT, and the masoned players will not be directly told that there is someone observing. At any point in the game, you may permanently give up this power and assume the form of 'the Bad Wolf' by typing ##gaze into the Heart of the TARDIS in thread. The Bad Wolf means business. In the form of 'the Bad Wolf,' you become a dealer of death, and gain one vigilante bullet. This bullet can be used at any time. If used during the day, the Bad Wolf must type ##divide atoms (target) in thread to perform the shot. If used at night, the shot functions as a typical vigilante shot. If the shot is targeted at the Doctor, 'the Bad Wolf' instead deals 1KP to herself. Note to hosts: This is my first PTP so I'm not sure if this is broken as hell. I wanted to include the Bad Wolf storyline for Rose, but it's hard to make this anything other than a KP dealing role. So I ended up with what is essentially a vigilante with flair...a gun with a little bit of extra investigative/manipulative power. You win with The Alliance On June 24 2013 08:06 Zephirdd wrote: The wording of my role is I made an addendum that it's a normal dayvig that needs a day to recharge. so yeah, it's instant(or as soon as the host sees it). I might be wrong however. It is possible that there is another dayvig role. The role is Madam Vastra. also, anonymous dayvigs are fun, what's the issue? :D On June 25 2013 06:04 Zephirdd wrote: I'm pretty sure he is responsible for solstice's death. When I mention that I created a mason role, he mentions that he knows who created his role => I created his role => he the anonymous dayvig On June 25 2013 06:23 Zephirdd wrote: I was fishing for the mason-dayvig because it seems nobody else made a role that could have shot solstice. Also anyone masoned with this guy is in serious danger today. Simply put, I made the role in a way that you don't want to keep your mason alive, hence it being a dayvig as well. Meapak didn't have the language Zephirdd used, so it's possible we had TWO people create mason + vigi roles? Either the hosts nerfed Zephir's role, changed it slightly (maybe because MZ was scum and so the name/powers didn't quite line up?), or ... two masons/vigis. Has anyone been masoned and not spoken up? Besides...whatever it was N1, gonzaw and someone? We DO know, however, that whether there's only one mason/vigi or two (MZ + Zephir's role recipient), MZ did not kill solstice on D1, as his dayvigi needs to be activated in thread. So we're still short the identity of whoever shot solstice D1, and what they used to do so. ALL THE REST OF THIS CRAP IS CONFUSING. DOES THE MAGICAL EWOK WHISTLE NOT SOLVE THE GAME AND WORLD HUNGER SIMULTANEOUSLY? | ||
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At one point he and kita argue in thread, just between the two of them - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 04:31 s0Lstice wrote: Nope, are you omgusing me already just because I've shared a scum read on on you? How does it make sense for a player to own a passive "roleblock all vig shots" and not comment that they blocked the shots. Keep in mind it would require TWO people to remain silence since the role creator would also know of the passive block. I can't see how you can think this is the most likely scenario. yea dude fix your quote tags it would not require two people. Is BC lying when he said he got the role he created? this discussion we are having is really dumb. the point is we can't know what happened with the actions surrounding the shot because we don't do what actions are in the game and what governs them. literally any question you can ask me about this can be answered by that statement. you can't even get to what is 'likely' and what isn't, because you have to deal with 'plausible' first, and we don't know what's plausible until we get concrete evidence on the roles. Based on that, seems kind of unlikely that kita was masoned to solstice, as they could have just had that spat in mason chat? Gonzaw. Does the ewok whistle help narrow down the options? Dunno if BC needs to take his risk now or whatever, but there are a LOT of options here, and if the whistle helps out, we should use it or save some of the speculation for after it gets used. | ||
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On June 29 2013 02:52 WaveofShadow wrote: If you turn into a bear I will be displeased.Shhh. All in good time. This hidden power is potentially a game-changer but it requires a very specific set of conditions. Right now it wouldn't do anything. | ||
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On June 29 2013 03:07 gonzaw wrote: Because the thread is full of a LOT of nonsense right now, not even that generated by MS paint. Why aren't you guys making cases against each other yet? Austin, who of Xfire and Xatalos is scum and why now If we are going to get SOMETHING from the ewok whistle, a vig shot, a check, a magical bunny rabbit, ANYTHING, then most of our speculation should hold off until after that point. We're clogging thread and SOME of it is useful, but some isn't, and it's impossible to get a clear picture of what's useful speculation and what's silliness right now. Between the two of em? Gut read is xata. Crossfire clearly invented the TARDIS, was up front about that. He clearly has your role, and has apparently been up front about that. As far as I can tell, we DON'T know what xata is, and that's worrisome, because we have unexplained scummy actions - solstice kill, and unexplained RB on BC D1? (That's why I asked earlier whether it was possible Crossfire actually did nothing D/N1 like he said. If his role usage fits that, he's more likely town than Xata. If his role required him to do stuff though, and he could have done the unexplained stuff, he jumps ahead given that there's been a LOT of TARDIS confusion/something going around). Also, xata fits the picture for...what I expect scum to do in this situation? Crossfire is letting you control his role, and seems to be answering questions asked of him, but not going much BEYOND answering questions and asking for directions about what to do. Xata did little early, and is sort of starting to get more involved now. Scum has lost 2 people now to DT checks, and within a short span of time had to process/deal with: (1) DI coming back to life (if town); (2) geript getting surprise-checked. Moreover, they don't seem to be able to stop another check tonight, there's an invention floating around, etc. So I'd expect scum to change behavior, start trying to exert a little more will on the game. Xata has partially ramped up activity, has partially started to throw out accusations. If scum didn't expect geript to get checked and caught, they probably need to change game plans today. I see more of a changed game plan from xata than I do from crossfire. | ||
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On June 29 2013 04:31 kitaman27 wrote: BEST POST NAI can't believe I didn't think of this until now. WoS must be a redwood. | ||
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On June 29 2013 04:56 gonzaw wrote: austin, what exact roles can you use in that poll thing? Can it work as an inventor where you can choose whatever role you want or maybe create one? Or did you send those polls already? I sent polls already. I made it so the list of roles is the same each day -
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Moreover, IF the role that zephirdd created was the role that killed s0Lstice D1, it can fire again today, based on what he said - On June 24 2013 08:06 Zephirdd wrote: The wording of my role is I made an addendum that it's a normal dayvig that needs a day to recharge. so yeah, it's instant(or as soon as the host sees it). I might be wrong however. It is possible that there is another dayvig role. The role is Madam Vastra. also, anonymous dayvigs are fun, what's the issue? :D dayvig, day to recharge | ||
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I'll vote for either. I like the idea of geript today, as he made that comment about absorbing KP. I dunno what that means exactly, but if we can kill him by lynch and not have to deal with any possible nonsense, I'd rather do it now. And if we CAN'T kill with a single lynch, I want to know that as well. Less hard to kill nonsense best hard to kill nonsense. If kita actually can dayvig today, then according to zeph he couldn't do it again until D5. Lynching him at the end of today doesn't stop the shot today, and we can lynch him tomorrow and not incur any extra damage. | ||
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DI got shot, and DI was on my poll. I don't get answers until night, but I want to make sure I can give something to BC tonight. | ||
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On June 30 2013 06:13 Crossfire99 wrote: Yup, that's it. I'm not confused about why the poll is different than the one I sent in.i know you're confused because being mafia makes it hard to determine alignment. Not confused by On June 30 2013 06:04 Crossfire99 wrote: so if kita is telling the truth then austin is scum too. Not confused by On June 30 2013 06:08 Crossfire99 wrote: gonzaw and kita, remember when we had those jitters in Themed Game Mafia. Good times. Hilarious because we didn't have to do anything to secure the mislynch. Town did it for us. | ||
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On June 30 2013 06:19 gonzaw wrote: ...okay, so 3v2 now we lost basically you guys do whatever you want to do if you think we can NOT lose tonight, I have no powers anyways Not true at all. I still haven't heard back from my role, but I SHOULD be able to either vigi or medic someone tonight. We can go even. | ||
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On June 30 2013 06:39 Crossfire99 wrote: Porkchop.yo austin, when do you give me my role son? Still not how my role works. I need to look back over you and gonzaw both, but...if you thought I was giving you a role tonight AND you've got your own stuff, then it makes sense you wouldn't go for the voteswap, because you thought you'd be able to take it tonight. That's not how it works. | ||
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"Crossfire OP as mafia" doesn't mean anything, because if he's got 8 billion powers, he's OP as EITHER ALIGNMENT, and it's 3-(1+1) or 3-2 right now. This one kind of sits on your shoulders, based on what you do and say. Don't be lazy and throw by saying that he has to be town, because that is false. There's some way left to win, or game would have been over when DI got shot or WoS sacced himself. | ||
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On July 01 2013 02:01 gonzaw wrote: Except that he doesn't know if he gets shot tonight by someone I give vigi to. He doesn't know if he shoots someone protected by someone I give medic to. He doesn't know in what order RB/busses/actions resolve (I checked, not being revealed). It most likely means Xfire is town after all. Again, let me remind you scum Xfire has: -Bus driver -NRA Member (kills whoever visits him) -TARDIS (or kita has it) -Vet If he's scum, then it's easy: Scum shoot you/me, Xfire uses the Tazer (NRA member), and scum use TARDIS to bus kita with Xfire. BC will RB kita, but visit Xfire, and die, then austin/I dies, and we get to 1v2 GG D3. Nobody else can do much to stop that, and even if we do it's still 2v2 on D2, or Xfire can use his bus driver shit (on TOP of the TARDIS bus drive shit) to bus even more shit. It's also possible you don't have full information. | ||
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#1 - You're apparently an NRA member. NOBODY should be saying "Hey austin, target crossfire, the NRA member, to give him an ability." #2 - Again, even if you WEREN'T an NRA member, I cannot give you a power. That is not an option for me tonight. #3 - Even if you WEREN'T an NRA member, AND were an option for my power tonight, it is too late. #4 - Even if you WEREN'T an NRA member, AND were an option for my power tonight, AND it was early enough in the night phase that I can assign powers, then I still wouldn't give you anything, because I don't see gonzaw or BC being mafia. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:07 Crossfire99 wrote: Sigh. Still not scum. I made this power, I used it, I don't know what you saw, but you can confirm with hosts that if you thought you were choosing people or thought that you were on my list of targets yesterday, you were sent an incorrect PM. You can check this. Ta da. Well, thanks for claiming scum. That made this game easy. | ||
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DE-BEARING POSSIBLY SOLVES THE GAME OR WIFOMS YOUR FACE OFF! I de-beared Kurumi N2. Kurumi was the N2 NK target. Bussing wouldn't even matter, both ended up on the same player, so both were targeted on the same player. If I'm mafia, I de-beared someone who I thought was dying. There are still ways to win despite what crossfire currently has, especially if he has to activate items. | ||
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Given that there's only been one NK each night, 3 scum seems incredibly unlikely. There are 2 scum, or it's (1+1) and Kita is scum-aligned in some manner. I know I'm not it. I assume you and BC aren't it based on thread. Therefore, crossfire is the remaining scum if one exists. There's a chance he's not, but that setup doesn't seem balanced. If it's just kita, we lose nothing by you making it impossible to win if Crossfire is scum, we'll just win. If it's kita + crossfire, then I think he can win the game if tonight goes a certain way and I won't even have a shot at stopping it. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:44 gonzaw wrote: HI THERE GONZAW. CROSSFIRE IS SCUM.??? Well make up your mind is Xfire scum or not? I won't deal with this wishy washy "he is scum!.....unless he's not...but the setup wouldn't be balanced!!!....unless it isn't". If it's kita + crossfire, then I think he can win the game if tonight goes a certain way and I won't even have a shot at stopping it You have never explained how your "give someone an ability the next night" role can prevent scum from winning in a 3v2 or whatever. Blah I give up I will never understand you austin. I'll just assume you are scum until you explain yourself properly some day[/QUOTE]No, I have not explained. You will understand tomorrow or postgame. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:54 gonzaw wrote: No, I don't expect you to rest the entire game on me.So I should place the ENTIRE TOWN GAME on trusting you with this right now? Are you fucking serious? You austin, you that did basically shit all game (compared to like ALL your previous town games). You austin, guy that FoSed like 10 guys in D1/N1/D2 and then completely ignored them until they flipped town. You austin, guy that posted like he was on drugs and never made any sense whatsoever You austin, guy confirmed scum geript chose to save on D1, and confirmed scum MZ conveniently "disappeared" when he could have hammered you and lynch you back on D1 You expect me to rest the entire game on you? You want me to assume you'll take care of shit with this "unexplained" stuff that apparently will win us the game and do shit and let you control the game? ..yeah right. What you smokin' son? If you think there's only kita left, it doesn't matter what you do. If you think I'm scum, then...whatever. It won't matter what I say if you actually believe I'm scum. And I don't see why you were trying to be sneaky with what I gave you unless you think I'm not scum. Maybe I interpreted something wrong here. But if you think he's scum, or has the chance to be scum, then I don't expect you to rest the game on me. I expect you to play it smart. | ||
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On July 01 2013 04:59 gonzaw wrote: Oh, sweet she was, and pure, and fair! The maid with honey, In her hair! Her hair! The maid with honey in her hair! He smelled the scent on the summer air! The bear! The bear! All black and brown and covered with hair! He smelled the scent on the summer air! He sniffed and roared and smelled it there! Honey on the summer air! THAT SONG DOES NOT ACCURATELY PORTRAY BEARS. YOU CANNOT TRUST THEM. THEY ARE, IN NO WAY, FAIR. ![[image loading]](http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/austinmcc11/63a1d370-0877-4099-a18c-29bec10fdcd4.jpg) IF YOU SEE SOMEBEAR, SLAY SOMEBEAR. | ||
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On July 01 2013 05:13 gonzaw wrote: Yeah, I know. But right now you've got what I gave you and you've got some knowledge of crossfire's role.I'm trying to be sneaky in case you are 3P to not give scum kita info It's hard to "play smart" with so many hidden variables, like who BC is going to RB, if scum have a functioning TARDIS or not, if Xfire is indeed scum or not. As you can see, personally I have like 0 power, other than the one you gave me. If the worst case scenario happens where like BC RBs me, Xfire is scum and kita has functioning TARDIS there isn't shit I can do. That's why I'm taking some assumptions in this shit to try and plan better I've got even less control than that tonight, so it makes me really worried. | ||
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On July 01 2013 06:18 gonzaw wrote: If you're convinced, then alright.Like, the ONLY ONLY ONLY way Xfire can be scum, is if: Hosts know that today is 2v2 and we NL. But austin is town, and thus can give me either a vet, or a vig, or a medic, etc, so I can kill scum kita/Xfire tonight. So hosts felt this was a possibility, and with this possibility maybe town has a chance to win (maybe?), so they felt they should keep the game going on. But that only if Xfire didn't steal kitaman's vote (or anybody's vote for that matter). As scum, Xfire could have just used the Tazer (I proted him last night so I would have died), or use the VoteThief on me for instance, to insta win as scum (and that would be a 100% win GG from scum, not this "prolonged win" they may have been having right now if what I said above is true)... ....so yeah, Xfire confirmed town. So austin, would you like claiming 3P now maybe? Maybe you could battle with kita to see who's the real survivor? | ||
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On July 01 2013 06:24 gonzaw wrote: I can't anymore. I can get rid of your bears, and crossfire's bears, but once there are less than 4 people to send questions to, I lose that power and get to double up on de-bearing. I really wanted this role to be able to clear out all the bears.Okay Nice we could reach an understanding Hey austin, I wouldn't mind you giving me a medic or vig tonight again | ||
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On July 01 2013 06:40 kitaman27 wrote: Perhaps, but you guys owe me for the three shots While I don't recommend trusting kita... HI THERE GONZAW ARE YOU SURE THAT CROSSFIRE IS NOT MAFIA? | ||
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On July 01 2013 06:45 gonzaw wrote: OMG I AM NOT YOU CONVINCED ME ##Unvote ##Vote: Xfire I WILL ASSUME YOU'RE JOKING AND NOT USING SERIOUS CAPS but...we can't even lynch him | ||
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On July 01 2013 06:49 gonzaw wrote: So austin, Xfire is 100% scum and shit and we already lost So, with post-game just a couple of hours away, would you mind telling me this "game-changing" shit you were talking about last night? ![[image loading]](http://thecareco.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/game-changer-ahead-331x220.jpg) If this lynch doesn't end things, then I'll do what I can. But I'm not actually sure that I can take him out. | ||
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On July 01 2013 06:49 Crossfire99 wrote: I'm pretty sure this is false. Why do you even want to lynch me today? Town is guaranteed to lose if kita lives today considering he's a regenerating dayvig. | ||
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You can only use one of the TARDIS's abilities before you must give it to a player of your choosing (being roleblocked while attempting to use an ability still counts as using an ability) If you don't choose a new player to give the TARDIS to after having used it once or if a player dies while in possession of the TARDIS, it will be randomly distributed to some other player still alive in the game. Using one of the TARDIS's abilities prevents you from using your own abilities that cycle, e.g. can't use night actions or even day actions like a day vig and one of the TARDIS's abilities during the same cycle. If the TARDIS has been used by mafia 2 times in a row, the TARDIS will be randomly distributed to a non mafia player the following day. Gotta be used. It could be gone, or someone just didn't use? | ||
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On July 01 2013 08:42 gonzaw wrote: Can someone remind me why we lynched sk8 instead of austin on D2? You needed me to protect you from the bears. | ||
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On July 01 2013 08:45 kitaman27 wrote: So what exactly happened with the geript lynch? o.O Ask crossfire, who is scum. I would not know anything about that. I imagine that crossfire and geript were the only two scum left, and WoS was so insistent that he wasn't going to be around/had something to do/etc. that crossfire didn't think he could save geript. I would also imagine that crossfire thought he could pull the game off. But then...other-crossfire had to have 6 trillion abilities. | ||
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On July 01 2013 08:47 gonzaw wrote: BearlessWell....yeah obviously (sorry wuv i was jokin ;_; ) You know, like...maybe you could have said "kita still scum he faked that shit" and maybe I could have bought it (i'm such a fucking gullible dude this game who knows) you just claimed now so good I guess, thanks for making it easier ##Unvote ##Vote: austin Victory | ||
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On July 01 2013 05:07 austinmcc wrote: THAT SONG DOES NOT ACCURATELY PORTRAY BEARS. YOU CANNOT TRUST THEM. THEY ARE, IN NO WAY, FAIR. IF YOU SEE SOMEBEAR, SLAY SOMEBEAR. | ||
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One is that kita has giant-ass logs, but they could be faked. The other is you posted this: On July 01 2013 08:31 gonzaw wrote: Maybe my brain is fried from trying to figure out who crossfire might shoot last night with his mafia KP, but...I TRUSTED THIS.You do know something? IF YOU HAD POSTED THIS SHIT ME+XFIRE+YOURVOTE (FROM XFIRES ABILITY) COULD HAVE LYNCHED AUSTIN AND YOU, AND TOWN WOULD HAVE WON REALLY DICK MOVE KITA, SUPER FUCKING DICK MOVE You were upset at kita because he could have done something different and you would have lynched me. And in that case, you think town wins. I TRUSTED THAT YOU MADE A TRUE STATEMENT AND THOUGHT THAT CROSSFIRE HAD AN ABILITY TO PUT A VOTE ON SOMEONE, IN WHICH CASE HE USED HIS ABILITY AND CAN'T MOVE IT. If crossfire can move his vote, then you LIED gonzaw. We should lynch you under LAL. | ||
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On July 01 2013 09:00 gonzaw wrote: I never said anything about the votethief being one-shot. In fact I'd expect Xfire being able to change the vote whenever he wants. If he can't then....fuck the hosts I guess? The shit just said this: So you claimed scum because you thought Xfire's vote was set in stone? lol I said that because I thought the day already ended (because of dec's thing). Kita said "I OBJECT" in bold. Why would the day end? Well, it's up to you guys I guess. I think today is about who loses, since based on what you said I can't actually kill either of you two tonight. I was freaking yesterday because I think non-vote-thief was the only option to yield a no-lynch and maybe have a shot. | ||
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On July 01 2013 09:04 gonzaw wrote: If it was up to me I'd make both you and kita lose. Too bad if we lynch you today kita wins though....*sigh* Live and let live I guess Does crossfire not have all that crap? I thought he's a vet medic NRA member all manner of bullshit-mobile. Doesn't he just medic you, and then I can't take either of you out? | ||
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I wasted so much paper this morning trying to figure out how to deal with a VETERAN MEDIC NRA MEMBER BUSDRIVER who might be able to vote steal or pardon the next day. Ugh. You could have saved me a LOT of headache. | ||
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On July 01 2013 09:08 gonzaw wrote: I thought you were picking specific targets. Or...doing something, I don't even know what. I actually thought for a while after you got my ability that you thought I was friendly, and so were trying to steer Crossfire towards a not OP set of options.oh, that means our secret code was in vain Didn't you feel suspicious when we were talking in code about which item to use? Why would we do that if he has all abilities at the same time? | ||
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On July 01 2013 09:09 gonzaw wrote: Anyways, at least I feel kind of good my role won (and how scum misunderstood it) won us the game. I feel shitty as hell for the rest of it though So vote kita with me and roll the dice! | ||
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On July 01 2013 09:10 kitaman27 wrote: lol so what was your role that it was so bad that you never used it gonzaw? iirc he kills a random person who votes for him, and can also target people at night to spread the ability to them or something like that. | ||
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Before I go further, I will tell you this. Kita is not mafia/church. He is a third party. This is not a giant ploy between the two of us to have you lynch me and then let him win. Believe it or don't believe it, but this isn't an act to keep him alive and have him shoot you guys. However, that does not mean you should lynch me. Take a good, hard look at the game, and you'll see what I see. If you kill me, I think kita 100% wins the game and both town and mafia lose. If you don't kill me, and kill kita instead, we go to the magical night roulette. So, without further ado, here are three major things to consider: | ||
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On June 04 2013 06:37 deconduo wrote: Kita is correct that mafia/church needed all "town" forces dead to win. Therefore, don't backstab him, etc. - + Show Spoiler +Alignments: The Alliance You win when all Anti-Town forces are dead. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. ????? You win if you are alive at the end of the game and have fulfilled your victory condition. On July 01 2013 08:15 kitaman27 wrote: To the remaining mafia: The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. The game ends as soon as the final town player is dead. There is literally zero reason to backstab me. However, the wording is odd, and I didn't notice it until this morning. Alliance wins when "anti-town" forces are dead. Church wins when "town" forces are dead. Look at that again. Alliance doesn't win when "Church" forces are dead, nor does Church win when "Alliance" forces are dead. That is because third parties can have town/anti-town alignment. Feel free to double-check this for yourself, but third parties can be anti-town Again, feel free to double-check for yourselves. If you lynch me, the game does not magically end. You have to kill all anti-town forces, not church forces. You lynch me, the Church faction is gone. However, kita is not. Based on the other points, he's lying about some things and his role doesn't match up with him being a survivor. Therefore, I believe he is NOT a survivor, actually DOES have an alignment. If he's 3P, you don't win by lynching me. You have to lynch me AND have kita not be anti-town. You know, the lying "survivor" with a vigi shot and a "lovers" thing that is AWFUL for a survivor (see below). If kita is anti-town, he's engineered the perfect endgame if you vote me. You kill me. You don't win. Kita dayvigs one of you tomorrow, it's 1-1, no lynch. Kita waits 2 days, and then day vigs the other one of you. TA DA. Town loses. Mafia loses. Kita, and only kita, wins. I'm going to repeat, big again TOWN DOES NOT WIN WHEN ALL CHURCH (MAFIA), IS DEAD. TOWN WINS WHEN ALL "ANTI-TOWN FORCES" ARE DEAD. THIRD PARTIES CAN BE TOWN/ANTI-TOWN, THAT IS WHY THERE IS THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN ALLIANCE/CHURCH AND TOWN/ANTI-TOWN. JUST READ THE WORDING, IT IS DIFFERENT FOR A REASON | ||
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Kita has lied about what it is that he does. (1) In chat logs with geript, Kita says he can't shoot again after shooting DI. When responding to crossfire's request for a FULL role claim, Kita does not include a limit on his shots. When zephirdd made comments about the role he created, he did not say anything about the number of shots. Furthermore, who in the balls creates a vigi role with THREE shots. Vigis get like...one or two shots, or unlimited, I have never seen a three-shot vigi. Kita tells geript that he can't shoot again - + Show Spoiler + 62 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 04:38 PM ET (US) Can't shoot ever again? That's complete bs. Then just shoot gonzaw first. 61 kitaman27 06-28-2013 04:28 PM ET (US) Can't busdrive. If I shoot today, I can't shoot again. Kita gives his role to Crossfire, does NOT say he has a shot limit - + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2013 10:40 kitaman27 wrote: I'm the Weeping Angel I win if I am alive at the end of the game, and have successfully fed on the TARDIS. I have no clue if feeding on the TARDIS altered it in any way. I was never informed. My disguise is Madam Vastra You can pick someone to be your maid by PMing the hosts at any point in the game. You and your maid are able to communicate at any point in time, however you don't know his/her role/alignment and he/she doesnt know yours. If you and your maid survive for two straight cycles(day and night, or 144 real-life hours), you become lovers, which means that if one dies, the other suicides. Despite begrudging respect for humanity, you do enjoy devouring them once in a while. You can eat a person during day time anonymously, but you need a day to enjoy the meal. Again, read his claim to Crossfire. NOWHERE does he say he has limited shots. It just says he eats someone, needs a day between to enjoy a meal. That's all. He didn't tell Crossfire he had limited shots. Zephirdd didn't say anything about limited shots. Three is an odd number to be limited to. The likely conclusion? He's not actually limited on shots. He has some angle when he was talking to geript, and it slipped his mind when changing to crossfire and he didn't alter his PM. | ||
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Kita says he is a survivor. I have told you that he is 3P, but we have NO confirmation that he is a survivor, and I will repeat, third parties can be anti-town. Things he has said, things that are half-known about his role PM, and his play this game all point towards him being 3P, but NOT a survivor. (1) Kita told geript he was a mafia traitor. + Show Spoiler + 113 Geript 06-27-2013 06:31 PM ET (US) Dude give me some credit. And not Traitor is comple bullshit on top of it. 112 austinmcc 06-27-2013 06:25 PM ET (US) Uuuuuuurg. We should have considered traitor with only 3 mafia. I'd been thinking he'd be an assassin or some other 3rd party with KP to help drop numbers. 111 austinmcc 06-27-2013 06:23 PM ET (US) Don't overplay it. Oh goddamn it. Figure out if there's a way to activate it or something I guess. Do NOT tell him I'm mafia, in case he's actually some other 3P. 110 Geript 06-27-2013 06:19 PM ET (US) FYI Kita claimed mafia traitor. Idk what to believe w/ him. In mason chat w/ him. Pure copy paste from QT. Kita lied to us about his role. We didn't trust him, and any mention of that from his conversation with geript has been scrubbed away. If he's lying about his 3P role, he's not doing it for happy reasons. He's telling each side what they want to hear. (2) Kita's lovers thing is 100% at odds with him being a survivor You can pick someone to be your maid by PMing the hosts at any point in the game. You and your maid are able to communicate at any point in time, however you don't know his/her role/alignment and he/she doesnt know yours. If you and your maid survive for two straight cycles(day and night, or 144 real-life hours), you become lovers, which means that if one dies, the other suicides. Geript said he'd become "star-crossed lovers" if he stayed masoned with kita - + Show Spoiler + 117 Geript 06-27-2013 07:07 PM ET (US) i'm quite sure he's some sort of 3p b/c if i stay masoned with him for so long then i become starcrossed lovers with him. (We were trying to figure out what exactly kita was) Geript did not know what that meant, or did not tell me. But look at the frigging language kita has claimed. He ties himself to another person, and if one dies, the other suicides? That's an AWFUL power for a survivor, and one you REALLY don't want to use. Not only do YOU have to survive, but now you have to make sure ANOTHER PERSON survives? You just doubled your chances of losing. And kita used his mason on geript, WHO WAS JUST CHECKED AS MAFIA (kita's version of his role says he can PM at any time to be someone's chat buddy). Geript is HIGHLY likely to die at that point, get lynched or something, but kita is planning to keep him alive overnight. Just look at that. Kita shoots geript, who fake dies on D3. He sits out a bit, then pops back into thread N3 or D4 because of his role. Kita KNOWS that, because kita created geript's role. After D3 and N3, kita becomes star-crossed lovers with RED-CHECKED GERIPT. Geript then gets lynched or killed somehow, probably, and KITA DIES BECAUSE OF HIS POWER. It's an AWFUL pairing to choose if you're kita, given the red check. And it's an AWFUL power to EVER use as a survivor, because it makes you more likely to die. But kita used it. Indicates he's NOT a survivor. | ||
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On July 02 2013 00:49 kitaman27 wrote: Here is the biggest thing I see with kita's post.Survivors are not anti-town. I've already confirmed that I can win when only town + me remain or only town + mafia remain. I'm guessing it is worded that way because that is the wording of town win conditions in nearly all games. "Therefore, I believe he is NOT a survivor, actually DOES have an alignment." What does this even mean? The OP states that third party players in this game are survivors. I can't possibly be a serial killer based on how the win conditions are worded in the OP. Therefore I am a survivor and I can win with town. Stop grasping at straws. The OP does not say third party players are survivors. On June 04 2013 06:37 deconduo wrote: Alignments: The Alliance You win when all Anti-Town forces are dead. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. ????? You win if you are alive at the end of the game and have fulfilled your victory condition. It says be alive AND fulfill victory conditions. Moreover, you can check for yourselves. Third parties can be town and anti-town. If third parties were ALL survivors, then they wouldn't be town/anti-town. They're neutral, they win either way. Because they can be town/anti-town, they ACTIVELY STOP ALLIANCE/CHURCH FACTIONS FROM ACHIEVING THEIR WIN-CONS. Survivors don't do that. Survivors just win. Town/Mafia never have "Kill mafia/town, and then also kill all the survivors kkthx" Kita's "all 3P are survivors" story makes NO sense, because 3Ps can be town/anti-town and interefere with alliance/church win-cons. Second, and more nebulous: We have no PROOF that you are a survivor. You claim that. But your PLAY does not say survivor. On D3, you shot town and worked to save geript. Geript TOLD you in PMs, the PMs you posted, that I was mafia (more or less, by saying to shoot everyone else). You could have shot me, let geript get lynched. If you were a survivor and we were the last two mafia, congratulations, you win. If you were a survivor and there were three mafia remaining, congratulations, there is now ONE mafia remaining and YOU SHOT A MAFIA. Town isn't killing you at that point, and you're clear to coast for a survivor win. Mafia was absolutely SCREWED that day. And you bailed us out of it. That's not survivor play. That's knowing that if mafia gets screwed on D3, and it's like BC/Gonzaw/Crossfire/DI vs. one or 0 mafia and they don't win, you're going to get lynched. Gonzaw, crossfire, put yourself in kita's mindset D3. He could have sided with town, killed mafia. You guys would have kept him alive then. Mafia would be so utterly screwed that we would need to focus on killing town for the rest of the game. He had an easy path as a survivor. Instead, he sided with mafia. The only purpose that serves is to drag the game out, reduce numbers, and make it so it's not a bunch of townies + kita and the townies scratching their heads wondering why they haven't won yet. | ||
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On July 02 2013 02:46 gonzaw wrote: So you feel comfortable with him saying all 3Ps are survivors when 3Ps can be town/anti-town?woot austin if kita had to be the last man standing as 3P...he'd have factional KP, that's like a fact. You feel comfortable with him giving different stories about how many shots he has? You feel real, real, REAL comfortable about him actually being a pure, honest-to-god, just-survive survivor? I don't know what he is. I don't know that he's got to be last man standing. But what I KNOW, and what you can see for yourself, and ask yourself, is that the win-cons don't support his "all 3P = survivor" claim. I could post all day with things that he might be, but what I know, and what you should be able to smell, is that his story doesn't add up. | ||
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On July 02 2013 03:00 gonzaw wrote: I mean, I do. I spent part of last night thinking up dumb claims.Well, I feel that you HAVE to come up with something in order play to win today. Kita would most likely lie about shit to avoid getting lynched today as well (even if he's 3P survivor or some shit I guess). Meh, I'll reread and shit and reconsider, we have time. Also, you guys could like vote each other or something, so it's easier for us to voteswitch and shit. "I have the TARDIS, and now that it's been drained of energy, whoever has it can use it as a dayvig, just dropping it on the head of someone. Crossfire, if you don't put your vote and kita's vote on kita, I will dayvig you at end of cycle and town will lose. I would vig you right now, but kita is trying to get me killed, and I'd rather he get lynched and not win." "As part of my role, when I lose the power to grant powers, I get to pick one power for myself from another list. I chose dayvig." Same thing. Trust me, I got lies aplenty to try and avoid getting lynched today. But you're right, I'd tell them no matter his alignment. It's up to you guys to figure out what you think about his alignment. All I know is that I sat down and really read the win-cons this morning, and asked whether 3Ps can be town/anti-town. | ||
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I don't think that matters, and you may not trust me, but...it wouldn't even do anything for me if I had it, so there's no reason to hide that. It wouldn't stop a lynch or help me kill you guys tonight, so...there's no real reason to lie here. | ||
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On July 02 2013 03:22 kitaman27 wrote: I didn't worry until NOW about gonzaw being protected, no.No real reason to lie? Either you or geript have lied because you contradict each other. GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:38 PM ET (US) Not saying, but I'm not worried about it. 72 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:29 PM ET (US) So you guys have it? 71 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:09 PM ET (US) No not worried about Tardis at all. 70 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:01 PM ET (US) Do you not worry about gonzaw being protected? If you guys don't have the TARDIS, someone must have it, unless my aids broke it. I figured it winked out of existence, or that it being drained of energy meant it couldn't activate. If they've got the TARDIS, it makes things harder/impossible for me, but if that were the case, then: (1) I don't think they'd be slow-rolling it like this; and (2) they'd lynch you, because I can't kill them tonight and they can lynch me tomorrow. If they have the TARDIS, then they lynch you, ensure that they don't have a chance to lose, and then lynch me tomorrow. You silly. | ||
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Third parties are NOT all survivors like kita says. The OP says that third parties have to survive AND do stuff. Moreover, you can confirm for yourselves, third parties CAN be town or anti-town. Based on that, the alliance and the church may well need to eliminate third parties, or specific third parties, before they can win. However, CAN be is the furthest you get with your questions. I checked to see whether third parties are guaranteed to be town/anti-town, rather than just neutral, and I'm not allowed an answer. Again, check for yourselves if you want, and I can understand not answering because either answer there is gamebreaking. You just gotta figure out whether you think things add up. | ||
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As far as what doesn't add up for him being a survivor, I pointed out things that I saw -
Nothing is the equivalent of a rolecop check that says "Kita not survivor." But there's a bunch of little bits and pieces that feel wrong with his story. It just comes down to whether or not I trust/you trust/crossfire trusts his claim. You think hosts balance alignments of 3P based on the role he got? I think that, when they're assigning teams, they have to look at some things. A mafia team with a single NK and NO other KP seems like it would have no chance in this game. If geript/DI/WoS had all been town, it would seem like mafia had no chance to win (2.5 resurrectors and 1 NK?).So...what if they had my role then? Wtf would that 3P be? Jester/Town Idiot? Or they looked at which role everybody got, and then decided "yes, the guy that gets THIS role gets to be 3P survivor, the guy that gets this other role will be 3P SK", etc? That last one could have made sense I guess. But why wouldn't they just give a SK a factional KP, ON TOP of his PTP role? I mean, scum had factional KP and they had lots of PTP roles with abilities and shit, why can't a SK have that either? (of course it may not have been too balanced, but just increase some townies to 16 or 17 and that shit is good to go) So what role would you say fits a survivor more than the one kita got? So I think there's SOME balancing of factions based on the roles that everyone gets. Heck, look at how geript and MZ flipped. Nobody wrote a role for scum. Each scum is "you have this disguise/alias." That way, they take a balanced team of roles people made, turn them into aliases for scum. So yes, I DO think that they look at what roles everyone got, and balance the game partially around that. We all had aliases. Mafia KP is NOT in the OP (possibly to give them wiggle room and let them give mafia 1 or 2 KP depending on roles). Heck, you thought I was 3P for a while because of my de-bearing bonus win. That's the same thing, "This guy's got a weird bonus wincon, let's make him 3P." You ask what I think "fits" a survivor, and I have no idea. I don't think anyone in PTP is making a super-survivor focused role, everyone wants cool town powers or cool mafia powers. If you actually want speculation: Maybe he's telling the truth to geript about being a traitor of sorts. Anti-town survivor. Wins with scum, wins alone. Was angling to win with scum, now is angling to win alone, because that's his only option. Look at how he started the day. He had those logs, he knew I was scum, and his first decision was to tell scum not to backstab him. He keeps talking about backstabbing, indicating that he thinks we're aligned with him. First order of the day, don't get backstabbed. Second order of the day, uh oh, can't win with mafia, better post this stuff. I got no friggin clue. | ||
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Gonzaw, now I'm jumping on the speculation train and yeah, the idea of him being an "x-aligned survivor" doesn't match up with me saying he's not playing like a survivor in any event. I agree with that. So I'll stop. I don't know what he is. All I know is that it's not as cut and dry as I'd been thinking, and not as cut and dry as you'd been thinking. Before, you assumed he was mafia or 3P, and if he was 3P, then you win when you kill me. At a very, very basic level, that's not true. He can be an anti-town 3P. It's not valuing (100-x) where x is the chance he and I are colluding here. It's (100-x) where x is the chance that he's anti-town 3P. So...mind telling me in which part of that convo he posted he claims traitor? Because I don't see it. He doesn't in that convo he posted. Geript, in our QT, said kita had claimed mafia traitor. That's one of the things I'm saying doesn't add up.Either he was in contact with geript via PMs, or one of you two is lying I suppose. Either I'm doctoring QT posts or he is. We both have reason to, but I know that I'm not and come endgame you'll know that I'm not, you can read scum QT (not that it does you any good today). | ||
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On July 02 2013 03:59 gonzaw wrote: It's...pretty ironic.Austin, I find it funny how you are trying to make contributions, cases, push a lynch, and shit now when you haven't all game long lol I did jack all most of game. I actively gave town powers. I outed myself today because I thought you meant the game was over. But whatever. As funny as it is, as ironic as it is, it doesn't matter. All that matters is whether you trust kita's claim or not, whether you believe he's neutral 3P. | ||
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On July 02 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote: (1) Kita told geript he was a mafia traitor. + Show Spoiler + 113 Geript 06-27-2013 06:31 PM ET (US) Dude give me some credit. And not Traitor is comple bullshit on top of it. 112 austinmcc 06-27-2013 06:25 PM ET (US) Uuuuuuurg. We should have considered traitor with only 3 mafia. I'd been thinking he'd be an assassin or some other 3rd party with KP to help drop numbers. 111 austinmcc 06-27-2013 06:23 PM ET (US) Don't overplay it. Oh goddamn it. Figure out if there's a way to activate it or something I guess. Do NOT tell him I'm mafia, in case he's actually some other 3P. 110 Geript 06-27-2013 06:19 PM ET (US) FYI Kita claimed mafia traitor. Idk what to believe w/ him. In mason chat w/ him. | ||
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On July 02 2013 04:09 kitaman27 wrote: Sigh. lolol I doctored the QT posts, but you decided to wait 24 hours and not point that out until after you accidentally claimed mafia? Lynch this lair -_- Furthermore, if you thought I was a mafia traitor, you would be perfectly fine with being lynched because I would win the game for you. The problem is, you know that I'm not a traitor, you know that I'm a survivor, and you know you lose after being lynched. We should really just wait for crossfire. I decided to go to sleep after being super frustrated at claiming mafia. Notice how I stop posting in the evening for eastern US? Then I decided to post this morning, after checking about 3Ps. Notice how I started posting in the morning for eastern US? Frankly, none of my issues mattered until I learned that "all 3Ps are just survivors" is BS and they can alive alignments, which I didn't learn til this morning. If I thought you were actually a mafia traitor, then of course I'd be fine with getting lynched. But you didn't get added to QT, we never got any message about recruiting a traitor, so we didn't believe your claim. Nor do I right now. Same thing as I've said to Gonzaw and keep repeating cuz I keep posting. I don't know what you are. But I don't like it. I just know that you're not church and that I don't trust your only-survivor claim. | ||
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On July 02 2013 06:01 Crossfire99 wrote: I'm back now. On and off throughout night.i'll post the simplest explanation here that we have to discuss. There are basically 3 options: 1. Kita is a survivor. He doesn't care who wins as long as he survives until endgame and secures his victory condition which in this case is feeding on the TARDIS. 2. Kita is a SK. He needs to survive until endgame and secure his victory condition which is eliminate every other player in the game. 3. Kita is mafia or a traitor. He wins with mafia. I know which option seems more likely. I'll be back later to reread stuff. I think Gonzaw's breakdown is better, just cuz it's more general. Although now this 3rd alternative was presented yes (1- kita scum, 2-kita townie survivor, 3-kita antitown 3P) I honestly don't know what kita's role is, or what it might translate to in a strictly normal game (survivor and SK being...roles with understood powers, win cons, etc.).But yeah, there are options. On July 02 2013 06:08 kitaman27 wrote: This is a really black-and-white statement, unsure if it's true. Alliance win-con: kill all anti-town. Church win-con: kill all town. They sound super janky, but you could be a "town-aligned killer" or "anti-town-aligned killer," sort of halfway between SK and survivor (eliminate all of one faction, survive til then). Those sound WEIRD, yes. And yes, I posted a bunch of stuff today, some of which is "This is wrong for survivor," in which case it would be wrong for some of these cases and would make sense in some of these.I cannot be a Serial Killer. A serial killer cannot win with mafia, yet the mafia win condition is to kill all town. This option is impossible. Again, I don't think we can 100% transpose the set of rules an SK would follow in a normal game to this one, but a normal SK could not exist in this game, that's true. Either all town or all scum would be eliminated before the SK was the only person alive (him +1 townie or +1 mafia), barring a simultaneous multi-kill. Therefore, he could HAVE that win-con, but it would suck dicks and he could never really achieve it. Unaligned SK almost certainly not an option then. | ||
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Here's relevant chat starting with D3. BC had just checked geript. Heck, even if i DID gots, I dunno that it's functional (but again, don't gots) + Show Spoiler + 148 austinmcc 06-29-2013 04:55 PM ET (US) I don't know that I am though. How am I exposed? I acutally think BC isn't lying when he says cross or gonzaw might be scum. AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. 147 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 04:51 PM ET (US) Just trust me best option. 146 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 04:51 PM ET (US) We're dead either way if you don't. You're already exposed. 145 austinmcc 06-29-2013 04:45 PM ET (US) There's too much crap to risk unvote imo. Whatever crossfire does, gonzaw's crap, like...there's a LOT of unknown. 144 austinmcc 06-29-2013 04:39 PM ET (US) YOYO. Were you forced to vote for kita or die? Did you get that PM? 143 austinmcc 06-29-2013 04:34 PM ET (US) Ugh. I don't like this at all. e: With him popping his head in over and over, asking if he needs to vote, i DO believe him. Stump roles not all that common on TL, I could see them giving him a last hurrah. Edited 06-29-2013 04:36 PM 142 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 04:33 PM ET (US) No he can't. At least don't believe him. Just switch got at last second. 141 austinmcc 06-29-2013 04:26 PM ET (US) Also, WoS can unstump and vote apparently, making it 4-3 and we'll all be in open 140 austinmcc 06-29-2013 04:26 PM ET (US) I don't know that we are though. Ask if you have to vote for kitaman. If xatalos's power is real, then ... we can't be 3-3 can we? 139 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 04:25 PM ET (US) We are 3-3 and kill town tonight. 138 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 04:24 PM ET (US) Go vote for not BC, not Gonzaw not Kita. Deny the lynch. 137 austinmcc 06-29-2013 02:41 PM ET (US) Or does kita not have to kill mason buddy? Can kita still you? AAAHHHHHHHH. We've either won or lost or something but I can't tell. 136 austinmcc 06-29-2013 02:34 PM ET (US) Did kita have the tardis today and use it? Or...how else does DI die? Okay, trying to math it up. If we lynch kitaman and get a kill tonight, we're good. If we lynch you, then kitaman probably kills me tomorrow and town wins. No reason for them not to. There's a chance we get one cycle with town killing crossfire, if BC checks me, but unsure. If we no lynch, it's...unclear what happens. 135 austinmcc 06-29-2013 01:59 PM ET (US) Ugh, do we go for this? We could 3-3 it up, but probably better to kill kita, and then kill a townie overnight, yeah? Whatever WoS's thing is is the only thing left that can screw us over really, right? Kita dies today. Townie dies overnight hopefully. That leaves 2 of crossfire/BC/gonzaw alive, WoS stumped, and the two of us. 134 austinmcc 06-29-2013 12:44 PM ET (US) kita def not traitor if that was him, or I think we would have won right there. But apparently working with us now, guess pissed at DI and WoS. 133 austinmcc 06-28-2013 10:42 PM ET (US) I'ma try and push things towards lynching you. You've got magical powers town doesn't know about, and can possibly "absorb kp." Gotta lynch you since you're more difficult to deal with, natch. I think you've done a really nice job of causing the right amount of havoc and distraction in thread. I dunno if you need to ramp that up to be visible, or if that will make it look like you're trying to get yourself lynched over kita, making town want to lynch him more. So silly. Our scum team needs them to lynch a specific scum because then it's basically a no-lynch, whereas them lynching another scummy guy blows for us. 132 austinmcc 06-28-2013 04:47 PM ET (US) Worst part is I can't tell if this is all a ploy. Based on Gonzaw's posts, I think he legitimately believes he's got this figured out. But he made the role earlier, when he didn't feel that way. So he probably created a role that really does something, and it's not a bluff to pull action out of us? Not that we can really do anything except for kita, whatever he is, maybe shooting. 131 austinmcc 06-28-2013 04:18 PM ET (US) #YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB#YUBJUB 130 austinmcc 06-28-2013 04:02 PM ET (US) PLEASE DON'T RUIN OUR PLANS EWOK WHISTLE #YUBJUB 129 austinmcc 06-28-2013 03:39 PM ET (US) I never really considered scum getting my role, wanted to see it end up in townie hands. Thought they could maybe get some extra information, discern some alignments, based on choices that others made. But in scum hands, you either let town do stuff with it or incriminate yourself and maybe teammates. 128 austinmcc 06-28-2013 03:37 PM ET (US) I haven't been using my power to give us vigi powers because I'm dumb/didn't want to get caught by role usage. I'm paranoid about that since it semi-happened in another game. Like, I had to send out 4 PMs each day, so town knows about the PMs. If I ever have to reveal that I'm the source, it wouldn't look good if I sent PMs to you guys and had you vig someone, but I could have asked them to choose ME and vigi and shoot someone N1. Woulda been better usage. Blech. So...kita can only shoot you? And you'll die, right before deadline, but resurrect or whatever? 127 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:29 PM ET (US) Essentially try to use the shot as a pardon. 126 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:28 PM ET (US) The plan is to have Kita shoot me. I'll come back from it. Also why haven't you been using your power to give us vigilante powers? 125 austinmcc 06-28-2013 01:34 PM ET (US) Ah, shitballs. If Zephirdd wrote his role so that the mason dude HAS to vigi his mason partner, I think kita is shooting YOU today and not anyone else. It fits with nobody claiming yesterday, nobody being dayvigied yesterday by an unknown role. He masons solstice D1, shoots solstice. Masons you D3, shoots you. This is super mega balls for us if that's the case...I think? Means only one death today and it's you, whether by lynch or shot, and kita comes out looking great if he shot you, except maybe we can play it as a bus. Ack. e: Can you just absorb kita's shot? Edited 06-28-2013 02:31 PM 124 austinmcc 06-27-2013 09:24 PM ET (US) Only... 43.5 more hours of this. 123 austinmcc 06-27-2013 09:16 PM ET (US) Okay, our chances kind of turn on him. There's a pretty good chance he still thinks I'm mafia. If he wants, he can royally screw us by shooting me as they lynch you. If he shoots at town though, takes out either gonzaw or BC, then we've got a shot. Maybe with DI being town he'll shoot at them. 122 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 09:04 PM ET (US) yes so far as i know. If they hit me, then i'll tell him so he can boot me out for 24 hours at a minute out... or that's the plan at least. If they don't hit me, then he kills someone else... likely gonzaw. 121 austinmcc 06-27-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Can he dayvig today? 120 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) yes and yes 119 austinmcc 06-27-2013 07:16 PM ET (US) Did he kill solstice or rb BC D1? We still don't actually know what either of those things was. There's a chance BC is actually some kind of 3P or...something. I dunno. Dis game. 118 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 07:09 PM ET (US) well 2 cycles 144 hrs... not gonna happen clearly. 117 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 07:07 PM ET (US) i'm quite sure he's some sort of 3p b/c if i stay masoned with him for so long then i become starcrossed lovers with him. 116 austinmcc 06-27-2013 07:02 PM ET (US) This game finally turned into a PTP. We don't know if kita is actually recruited. If he is, and flips mafia, we may be in a good spot. Oddddddddddddddddddddddddd 115 austinmcc 06-27-2013 06:35 PM ET (US) Yeah, sorry. The don't overplay it was for thread, but frankly I don't have any clue what's going on anymore. Just worried about everyone firing off KP and us getting smoked. Lol KP formula. Wtb moar kp. Maybe we recruit him and get a second or something completely dirty like that and then lose it within a day because ACK ACK ACK. KITA I SORRY. 114 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:31 PM ET (US) Ie. I'm not telling him KP formula or anything. 113 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:31 PM ET (US) Dude give me some credit. And not Traitor is comple bullshit on top of it. 112 austinmcc 06-27-2013 06:25 PM ET (US) Uuuuuuurg. We should have considered traitor with only 3 mafia. I'd been thinking he'd be an assassin or some other 3rd party with KP to help drop numbers. 111 austinmcc 06-27-2013 06:23 PM ET (US) Don't overplay it. Oh goddamn it. Figure out if there's a way to activate it or something I guess. Do NOT tell him I'm mafia, in case he's actually some other 3P. 110 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:19 PM ET (US) FYI Kita claimed mafia traitor. Idk what to believe w/ him. In mason chat w/ him. 109 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:14 PM ET (US) I'm just trying to hijack the thread as much as possible. 108 austinmcc 06-27-2013 06:13 PM ET (US) It still sent out PMs, lololololol. Maybe this wastes BC's action? I dunno. Almost bad for us if it does and we could get kita shot today, 1 less player to worry about. 107 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:10 PM ET (US) No TARDIS. Btw. Totally can't mortal combat again. Just fucking up the thread 106 austinmcc 06-27-2013 05:54 PM ET (US) Really hoping that you can actually do that AND got the TARDIS. We're so almost close to being in an okay spot...ish. Did you get it? 105 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 05:40 PM ET (US) Fuck no I protected you. 104 austinmcc 06-27-2013 05:35 PM ET (US) lololol. Are you actually protecting kita or just dicking with folks? 103 austinmcc 06-27-2013 04:12 PM ET (US) BC WHY YOU GOTTA TRY AND RUIN MY SCUMGAMES 102 austinmcc 06-27-2013 04:07 PM ET (US) Balls. | ||
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There are scum D3 logs. If you believe them real, then you can see that we're trying to plan things out and at no point make plans involving the TARDIS. If you don't believe them real, that's coo, I'm kinda mafia, but then you're stuck with thinking big logs might be faked, so maybe he faked his. Geript didn't have it, I didn't have it. I assume that if geript said not to worry about something, then geript was dicking with kita. Just like he told him not to shoot at crossfire/austin early in the day. I don't know what exactly went on in geript/kita QT, but we didn't really trust kita, so if that got said, it was said to dick with him. I was kinda busy noticing a lot of other stuff today. This was actually a serious post On July 02 2013 03:14 austinmcc wrote: I didn't realize at the time that the TARDIS could be used to bus tonight and maybe dick with stuff. Again, I'm kind of not trustworthy, but ... read into the post what you will. bee tee dubs, I don't have the TARDIS. It's either winked out of existence when Kurumi died (doesn't transfer again once drained?) or kita has it. I don't think that matters, and you may not trust me, but...it wouldn't even do anything for me if I had it, so there's no reason to hide that. It wouldn't stop a lynch or help me kill you guys tonight, so...there's no real reason to lie here. I will add one new thing, and it's somewhat WIFOMy, but if you're trying to play percentage games, it's a consideration. The weeping angels are, as far as I can tell, one of the big Dr. Who baddies. I think MZ, geript, and I all had villian characters, I'm Madame Kovarian. Games don't ALWAYS match flavor, but the weeping angels aren't really a ... neutral party. They're a major baddie of the series. They killed some important dudes. A game in which a weeping angel could achieve victory with the Doctor, or his buddies, does not seem correct from a flavor standpoint. Why pick that name when you could go with something else? | ||
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If I were making up a name, it's not what I'd go with. So like...all I know is that if he's telling the truth, his role is a baddie in the series. But if he's lying...why pick that name? Moreover, he already claimed "Fallen Angel," so...either it's his real role name OR he made up a SECOND role name? So I'm left with the simplest option being he didn't think when saying his rolename. We were at a point in the game where I'd just claimed scum. I dunno about you guys, but I wasn't thinking clearly last night. He may have been super delighted that I claimed, that he was going to lynch me instead of himself, and slipped up. | ||
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On July 02 2013 22:58 kitaman27 wrote: This argument is bs.If I have a chance to kill a player like dandel who wants me dead before lylo, there is no reason not to kill him. Plus, it ends the game quicker which is good for me. DI didn't just "want kita dead." He wanted kita dead because he thought kita was mafia/anti-town. - + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2013 23:15 Dandel Ion wrote: Well good thing you decided to play for scum after they allegedly tried to kill you. makes sense. On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote: He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. On June 29 2013 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote: We could win faster, but risk a lot of shit relying on kita not playing anti-town as fuck, which we can't rely on. He needs to die. We can slow-roll this game, no problem. I see no need to rush it. On June 29 2013 03:45 Dandel Ion wrote: Yeah or it's simply geript-Xata-MZ-kita scum team On June 29 2013 07:52 Dandel Ion wrote: It'll be 4-3 kita is scum. AS I'VE SAID At this point, kita has options. He doesn't HAVE to kill DI. (1) He kills DI. Now DI is off his back, and there are less dudes, and maybe he can save geript. (2) He shoots me, lets geript get killed, AND POSTS THE LOGS HE HAS WHERE SOMEONE CLAIMS MAFIA AND TELLS HIM WHERE TO SHOOT/NOT SHOOT. I don't care if DI is the most stubborn person in the world. If kita SHOOTS SCUM, and then POSTS LOGS WHERE SCUM TALKS TARGETING, DI is going to have to take that new information into account. Kita didn't kill DI's family and burn his village, causing DI to swear some kind of vendetta. Kita just looked scummy. If he shoots me, geript gets lynched, and he posts logs, then absolutely no way in hell is town going to lynch him. If he's really a neutral survivor, he just won himself the game. Town is NOT going to kill that dude, and mafia just lost two players. They don't have time to be NKing third parties in that case, they have to use everything just not to die to town. That's what all this survivor and DI-shooting crap comes down to. Kita had the option of being GOLDEN on D3. But instead of getting DI to not want to kill him by pretty much winning town the game (and HIMSELF the game, if he's to be believed and can win with town), he gets DI to not want to kill him by shooting DI. The townie solution to "DI wants to kill me" is "Hunt scum, shoot scum, look townie." The anti-town solution to "DI wants to kill me" is "Shoot DI" | ||
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On July 03 2013 00:26 kitaman27 wrote: lol you know just as well as I do that geript was bulletproof and you were TARDIS protected. EVEN if this were the case (and it's not), you can: (1) Kill DI. (2) Post logs, shoot me, force me to use TARDIS protection (passing the TARDIS to a random new person AND I think getting rid of any night action I might have), let geript get lynched Geript dies. The logs show me to be scum and everyone else to be town. The TARDIS is probably in town hands, or at the very least isn't in MY hands. You STILL look incredibly townie, especially releasing the geript logs. You STILL are going to get DI off your back. Sure, you only drop one mafia instead of two, but you become uber-townie and all the village children love you and dance with you, while I go get executed behind the village woodshed. So even if you actually believe that, and I assume your role did something to the TARDIS and you know what's up with it, you made the seriously anti-town play. | ||
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Kita keeps saying he didn't want to shoot at me D3 because he thinks I had the TARDIS and was protected. Kita's shot is SILENT. We didn't know who killed solstice D1. He didn't type anything in thread. All that happens is that someone dies. EVEN IF I had the TARDIS (and I didn't and don't), how was I going to protect myself from a silent shot? I would never know it's coming. On July 03 2013 02:08 kitaman27 wrote: Again, DI wanted to lynch you because you thought he was mafia.Crossfire, I think you're not looking at things from my perspective and then concluding that I'm some weird mafia aligned third party aligned role because of it. When I voted with geript, it was 2 mafia, 3 town, 1 survivor. With the lynch and night hit, we would go into today 1 mafia, 2 town, 1 survivor. With neither the town, nor the mafia, controlling the vote in this scenario, it put me in a king maker situation. I could side with town, we lynch austin, I win. I could side with austin, we lynch town and night hit, I win. The last thing I was thinking about was a scenario where I would be forced to vote for myself in a 2v1v1 situation. I took a situation where I was going to survive no matter which faction was lynched. If I didn't shoot dandel and shot a protected austin, its 3v1v1, you guys could lynch me like Dandel would want. He was the person pushing that I should be lynched before endgame. it would be 3v1, then 2v1 after the night hit and town wins without a survivor win. Don't punish me for playing to my win condition by keeping both routes of victory open. A 50/50 coinflip tonight is complete garbage compared to a guaranteed victory. Posting your logs with geript, shooting me, not trying to save geript goes a long way towards convincing DI not to lynch you. In fact, posting the logs, having geript flip scum, pretty much guarantees that I am the D4 lynch today in a 3-1-1 situation, not you. In your version of events, DI is so pissed at you that in the 3-1-1 situation he goes after you, who just helped town big time, rather than me, who geript has basically confirmed as mafia. That is ridiculous. | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:31 kitaman27 wrote: What? You knew that there was a day vig role that is refreshed every other day. Your options are: 1) Use the self protection role to ensure a day vig cannot kill you 2) Do not use the self protection role because you want to allow the day vig to kill you. Of course I knew there was a day vig role. The day vig was talking to my mafia buddy, claiming mafia traitor, trying to scheme out a way to get a mafia win. Why am I using the TARDIS to just-in-case protect myself from that guy? Especially when using it means I probably pass it to geript, who was clear mafia and getting lynched/killed. That means it goes from me (mafia) to him (mafia), and would likely go to town after he died, making it much harder for us to win the game. This whole thing about me maybe being protected is silly. I couldn't have seen a shot coming. It would have been dumb of me to use the TARDIS just in case a guy who claimed mafia traitor was going to shoot me. You didn't shoot me on D3 because you can't win with town. | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:49 kitaman27 wrote: The other option is actually doing work at work Anyways, I'm sure we're accomplishing much arguing with each other :p | ||
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The facts that: (1) the OP is written as it is, and (2) 3Ps can be town/anti-town, mean that he's some kind of variation, or just a 3P role they created. | ||
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I don't know why he did what he did from those viewpoints. But based on the OP and the fact that 3Ps can be town/anti-town, I don't think he IS either of those. Again, it wouldn't be written like that, and 3Ps couldn't be town/anti-town, if he were just neutral. You're starting from a false premise, imo, that he's actually one of those two specific roles. | ||
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On July 03 2013 03:54 gonzaw wrote: No.If the OP said "Alliance wins when Church die" and "Church wins when Alliance dies" then whoever claims 3P is "confirmed survivor" for all game long. That makes the survivor the easiest role every in this game. Just claim survivor, and do nothing. Nobody will kill you because it is confirmed in the OP that said guy wins with them. in ANY game where you're a survivor and the OP says "town wins when they eliminate all mafia or nothing can stop that" and "mafia wins when they eliminate all town or nothing can stop that", you can just claim survivor right as the game starts. The protection from that is that there's no guarantee you're a survivor. You have to work to get people to trust your claim and not try to pick you off. | ||
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Maybe you change the OP, sure. Or maybe you just don't include a shitty role in the game, and you include a different role instead. Again, you're working from "Kita is a survivor, survivor is a shitty role if the OP was way number 1, so the hosts made the OP way number 2 so it's not as shitty a role." But you're discarding "Survivor is a shitty role if the OP was way number 1, but instead of altering the OP to make survivor less shitty, the hosts just didn't make a survivor and made a different role instead." | ||
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The wording would be irrelevant if it said "Town wins when all mafia die." Who cares what kita is, you guys win when I die. But the wording says "Town wins when all anti-town dies." That's relevant, because of what's NOT in the OP but what you can confirm if you ask - 3P can be town/anti-town. You think it's worded like that to be confusing, to hide a survivor. But that's not the only option, nor do I think that's the likely option. You would word the OP like that if you had a town/anti-town 3P. | ||
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But it's not PROOF that he's a survivor either, which is how he was trying to spin it earlier, and you seem to be taking it now. But it does open up the POSSIBILITY that he's anti-town 3P. That's a reason that you would write the OP like that, so you could have factional 3Ps. And that's a role that makes sense with his actions on D3 and beyond. That's a role/alignment that makes MORE SENSE with his actions than survivor, imo. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:15 gonzaw wrote: I, for one, didn't realize that he had the chance of being anti-town 3P before I asked yesterday morning. Did you actually consider that beforehand? He said all 3Ps were survivors, and I just trusted that without thinking about it.It's proof that your whole "epiphany" is based on a false premise. I fail to see how the rest of the stuff you mentioned after that (with the exception of him claiming traitor to you I guess) is justified at all based on that. He had chances of being anti-town 3P before you made your "case"; and he does have chances of being anti-town 3P now yes But you making that "case" makes no difference because that premise ("kita is anti-town 3P because of the wording of the OP") is false All the rest of the stuff is half me blabbering on, but somewhat relevant. He's lied about a couple weird things - claiming traitor to us, lying about the shot on DI being his last shot to geript (you're correct, I kept saying three shots but it would have been his second). There's some minor consideration, imo, to be given to his role him and his role's place in the mythology of the show. I don't see a situation in which the character that is chosen to be a neutral survivor is one of the major baddies from the show. You may see things differently, I dunno. More importantly is just his actual actions. He was sure I was scum, geript had a check on him, and yet he played out D3 in the most anti-town and pro-scum way possible, pretty much. That doesn't make sense if he's pro-town or can win with town. I said way way way too much stuff, as I often do when let loose with possibilities like this. But there is information in all the crap I've posted that does, imo, point towards him being anti-town - his actions and the role name probably most of all. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:23 kitaman27 wrote: (we still have no idea what happened to BC's shot refunded shot). 120 Geript 06-27-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) yes and yes 119 austinmcc 06-27-2013 07:16 PM ET (US) Did he kill solstice or rb BC D1? We still don't actually know what either of those things was. There's a chance BC is actually some kind of 3P or...something. I dunno. Dis game. I asked geript about the RB on BC, and whether you were responsible. He said you were. Note that I posted these logs yesterday, when the rb on BC wasn't even mentioned. If I'm the one altering logs, then I had to realize YESTERDAY that the roleblock might come up, and alter logs before it was ever mentioned just to have them in the future. | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:30 gonzaw wrote: Didn't Kurumi claim the RB on BC or something? Anyways that makes no sense since Zepphird didn't say anything about the role he created having a day-RB. Maybe hosts derped again and made it so the TARDIS refunds bullets without telling anybody else about it No, I asked about that. Kurumi claimed an action on BC, turned out to be the invention-giving and not rb. He explicitly said he wasn't the roleblocker. On July 03 2013 04:31 kitaman27 wrote: As far as me being the dastardly roleblocker - roleblock is one of the options in my nightly survey. I didn't create a role that roleblocks AND can double roleblock. Nor does it matter that we haven't seen a flipped roleblocker, because it's a PTP game...we haven't seen a flipped watcher, tracker, framer, doesn't mean they exist.You would know the roleblock might come up if you were the roleblocker. Is now a good time to point out that the mafia doesn't have a flipped roleblocker in a setup with all blues? Moreover, you're suggesting that I, as mafia, roleblocked a townie one-shot day vig using his day vig on a ... townie? Why would I do that? I get a dead townie AND I get rid of a town vig shot. Also, if I altered my logs, why did I wait until 1:30 before lynch and at the moment someone else mentioned the rb to point that out? You don't think I might have wanted to do so sooner? I didn't notice it until you mentioned that, then it clicked. | ||
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I assume that Zephir would have mentioned kita having an RB. But zephir didn't write kita's full role, because stuff like draining the TARDIS wasn't a Zephir-thing. One thought is that, if kita has to get the TARDIS, kita can tell where it is at all times. He can't directly grab it from someone, but he can track it? He sees that sk8r starts with the TARDIS, protects sk8r, but sk8r sends the TARDIS to solstice. Kills solstice, realizing that keeping it in someone's hands does him no good, or thinking that solstice may not cooperate with the "HEY GUYS GIMME THE TARDIS" plan. However, that still doesn't explain the rb. Maybe he just gets one? Strange, so I dunno. All I know is I didn't rb bc, and based on what geript told me, kita altered his logs. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:04 gonzaw wrote: ...I thought we'd lost this game a long time ago, and it's been dragging on towards a barely even possible win since like...D2.I think the fact I don't want this game to go for 72 more hours may have a slight (slight mind you) influence in me wanting to lynch austin I've got some family stuff that requires traveling and me being gone for part of this evening, but I'm more than happy to shorten cycles and get my choice in quickly. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:18 gonzaw wrote: So if austin is telling the truth about his role we win 100%? I find this hard to believe lol Don't do this to me. I spent hours trying to figure out who to shoot last night. Now I'm gonna have to try and figure out this nonsense. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:25 Crossfire99 wrote: This NRA stuff was NOT COOL. NOT COOL. I was actually really worried about getting bussed into you last night, because I thought you had bus AND NRA.Do you know what I really wished I had done? 10 minutes before the lynch yesterday, I changed my austin role vote to myself. I don't know if you would have done it or not, but if I correctly understood austin's role (lol), I would have pushed hard for you to choose me as well. You can see where I would have gone with this lol. Austin was obsessing over it last night. He would have been forced to give me a role when I was the PGO/NRA member lol. And then this day never would have happened... | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:29 gonzaw wrote: Tbh, I was really hoping that BC would use an action on crossfire, or get bussed onto crossfire, and end up killing himself. Arggh had I thought of that I would have protected BC. WHY DIDNT YOU UNDERSTAND THE ROLE AUSTIN? IF YOU DID I COULD HAVE SAVED BC I was really confused at why he was gonna use an action. | ||
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Besides all the other stuff, if I did, I could have bussed kita and gonzaw at the start of today when crossfire said he was yoinking kita's vote. Crossfire would have stolen gonzaw's vote, we would have no lynched, crossfire couldn't vote-steal anymore, and I'd slowly plink away when I could get through all the stupid protections. | ||
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SECOND: Sorry Kita. I didn't think I could get the joint win if you were anti-town, had to play it this way. THIRD: On July 03 2013 06:18 gonzaw wrote: Well, come on Xfire, flip a coin between Vetting yourself and Medic'ing me and give it to hosts Austin you flip the coin as well so we can get this over with WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DO THIS? I'm scum. I play the mindgames. You're town. You don't play mindgames. I need a moment to figure all this out and I have family stuff. If you guys hadn't gone talking about 80% and whatever, I would have been able to choose right away. I need a moment I think, because I put so much work into yesterday and I don't want to throw it away on something obvious that I'm missing | ||
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If you'd been NRA, gonzaw would be dead. If you'd been medic/vet, those wouldn't be options today, and you'd have killed me and friggin lost the game. | ||
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You guys voted for kita, so I will let you in on that little tidbit. If you NRA tonight, you lose, because no single person visits and delivers the KP. I know I'm mafia, but you can ask hosts to confirm this. | ||
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On July 03 2013 06:53 gonzaw wrote: Yes, if you RB me, the kill will go through. yeah right lol you say that if for instance I was RBer, and I RB you tonight your kill still goes through? ..... .... actually nevermind, I forgot which game I was talking about (i'm talking about this game in case you don't know) All you have to do is PM and ask. It's not delivered by a specific mafia. | ||
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On July 03 2013 07:05 Crossfire99 wrote: You want a hint austin? I'll give it you cause I can't be here forever lol. you're more than welcome to gimme a hint I won't trust it, but hint away. | ||
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I just thought I'd do that cuz it sounded like fun. When I was trying to come up with ways to get out of the lynch, I thought about claiming dayvig and forcing you to keep votes on kita or I'd shoot you. That was gonna be how I killed, somehow. | ||
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You played a fantastic town game, until you wanted to lynch me and not mean old anti-town kitamanz. Big ups for both the solid posting AND trying to figure out yesterday. I know it was a headache. | ||
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On July 03 2013 07:25 Crossfire99 wrote: Oh, so just explain this debear stuff cause I'm confused and apparently dead. I get a bearless victory if, at endgame, I have de-beared all living people. I am naturally bearless. I need to de-bear you, or win as last man standing. I'm NOT going to de-bear you, because I might target you on a night you have NRA member up. Therefore, I'm going to shoot you, and be the last man standing. Also, I'm not shooting you tonight, just in case anything went wrong. I picked a number, way way way in the future, and on that night I'm going to shoot you. If it doesn't work, I picked an even bigger number. | ||
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Game could end in mafia victory, game could end in BEARLESS VICTORY for me and mafia victory. So we have to play it out, even if you absolutely can't kill me, because there are two ways for the game to end. If it just ended 1-1, with you not de-beared yet, then I wouldn't get bearless. So I gotta draw it out and shoot you. | ||
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On July 03 2013 07:28 Crossfire99 wrote: Well that's a lame way to end the game. GG. Gotta go for the de-bearing. It's lame, but good lord was I afraid of NRA shennanies. | ||
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Big big big big thanks to the hosts, there was a lot of crap to keep track of PLUS i know I asked a boatload of questions, but felt like I got answers when I should have and was told I couldn't get answers when it would have sort of ruined the game. Was super pissed at myself for accidentally claiming scum, and I hope it's the last time I do so as mafia, but glad it worked out in the end. Sorry kita that we couldn't get you the victory, really wanted you to win with us if we could, but then that just wasn't an option the last day. Sorry to gonzaw/crossfire/kita for the last day. I felt kind of shitty as I was arguing, thinking the whole time that my re-targeting ability would probably give me a 100% chance to win. But I also felt bad about claiming and ruining MZ/geript's chances at a win for us. I'm kind of glad kita turned out anti-town because it makes me feel a little less shitty. | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:42 Crossfire99 wrote: I targeted you with it and shot gonzaw. I figured you'd medic or vet, and if you were vet he'd die, if you were medic I would have you medic me and he'd die. Since you used vet (i think that's what obs said), I didn't get to retarget anything, it just fizzled.Don't worry about it austin. What did you actually do with your re-targeting ability? I was, again, paranoid that you'd use NRA member. I could have died if you went that route over protection, which is one reason I made sure to say that KP wasn't targeted. If it was just KP, NRA member wouldn't have mattered. But oddly enough, I could have died from the non-KP action I took. | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I had a lot of help in getting there, but glad we could win it.austin thank you for logging me my first, yes my first in almost 3 years of play, victory as scum. You can consider my effort payback for this little incident: On April 10 2013 11:26 Keirathi wrote: Anyways: I don't expect to live through the night tonight, and assassin is already dead. I am a cop. I checked austin last night, and he is town. I was also given the Lie Detector invention. I will use it when it's appropriate and let everyone know the results. On April 10 2013 11:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Guys I'm gonna make this real easy for everyone. Please listen to this while reading the following post: ##Nuke: austinmc To everyone who has called me scum: ![[image loading]](http://mikkiaaron.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/murica_6cd297e8f8b040c6ad41c1430077f1ba.jpg) On April 10 2013 11:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: cough coughFUCK | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:54 Crossfire99 wrote: I was debating about that but I did the safer option which was to ensure that I survived to the next day so I could use my 1 way redirection ability which diverted all actions used onto me onto someone else I choose. Too bad you were too cautious after all the craziness gonzaw revealed about my role and delayed your shot 27 days...I'm pretty sure we could have worked out our differences peacefully in that time. For once, paranoia finally pays off. I honestly thought you were bluffing with the big win percentage chance, but now I absolutely see it. I think that if I wasn't still super paranoid about NRA Member (which seriously doesn't do anything against factional KP), I might have gone for it. But as long as we were one on one and couldn't lynch each other, I didn't see a reason not to choose random nights to fire at you. Gonzaw telling me items were one-use was a big help, although...I assume that would have come out at some point during the day, when we started talking percentages. | ||
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Even then, it might have worked. I had planned to force you to target your ability onto crossfire the NRA member, making you kill yourself. That was the only way around it I could think of. Seriously. It didn't actually kill anyone this game, but screw that role. "Oh, you targeted me, you're dead now, and you can also be bussed onto me" is some bullshit once the person looks townie. | ||
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On July 03 2013 13:19 gonzaw wrote: I couldn't force someone to use. I didn't realize that at the time, but I wrote the role as..."retarget a person's night action" or something, with the limits being one person, one action, and never usable on the same person again.You could force someone to use his ability? wtf lol You talking about NRA member or your own role? If you are talking about NRA member then maybe yes it's OP (in this type of game at least). Like I said I threw random abilities in like 10 minutes, I didn't have time to think about balance Since I never even had the ability until D4, I didn't ask about it earlier. But the way it ended up working was that If they didn't act, it fizzled. If they acted but with something untargeted, it fizzled. If they used multiple abilities, I could only retarget the first one. So it fizzled on the night I used, with Crossfire using vet, because there's no target. And if he was actually Voltron, it would have fizzled on you if you didn't actually use your power, but I didn't find that out until after I'd tried to work through things. For the bullshit, yeah, NRA member. It's just an ability that feels...anti-fun? Or it does if you think it's permanent. | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I ended up hating the first part of my role. Every time I've made a PTP role, I'm thinking of something fun from a town side of things, not really one that's great for everyone.Austins power was so fucking pro town that he blended in so well with terrible townies -_- I figured someone would get the role, send out messages, give away something pro-town (with the option for roleblocker if mafia got it), and then over the course of 2-3 days amass a bunch of info about who chose what, be able to release it and maybe do something good. In mafia's hands, especially with only 3 of us and getting outed early, it was "Force yourself to give town powers." I send out PMs, have to claim the PMs eventually, and then it becomes horribly obvious that I've been gifting powers to mafia if I ever do. I can't even fake anything, because I'd have to fakeclaim both a fake target of my role-gifting AND lie about someone choosing that person AND have that person on the list anyway, because the second person-chooser would know if they weren't. I could have maybe given us a vig somewhere, but it would have come out later. Stupid role just couldn't be NOT pro town, the best I could do was give vet or hope people mediced the targets I thought they would. Also, as far as roles are concerned, I loved the idea of a choose your own adventure role, almost made one as well, but...I don't think I like how they work in actuality. At least for the other faction, knowing that gonzaw knew crossfire's role, could lead him to all the good choices and none of the mediocre, and could talk in code with crossfire. The choose your adventure role becomes a quasi-mason AND is toughish to balance because instead of having all these choices, crossfire can be told what choices to make each time for the best outcome. | ||
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austinmcc
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On July 04 2013 00:56 kitaman27 wrote: So, I didn't have any ability to rig the results. And I couldn't send myself PMs. At most, I could send one person PM to scumbuddy1 and one role PM to scumbuddy2, and have them choose vig for a mafia member.You created your own role didn't you? Couldn't you just include a mafia player in the group, rig the results every night, turn your role into a mafia kp and then never claim how it works? You'd eventually have to come up with a fake claim at endgame, but that endgame would come a cycle sooner and you didn't need to tell the truth about how the role works because only you know how it works. The moment any of us died, I would either have to start gifting roles to townies (putting other scumbuddy on role duty) or gifting scum whatever roles town gave us (putting scumbuddy on person duty, to choose mafia). If I ever flipped, any townies that had old role PMs could look at the list of 4 names, notice that nobody had claimed they got a power during the night, and it's pretty much a listcheck that there is mafia in that group. I think I was overly hesitant, but with only 3 mafia, the most mafia-favored way I could have used my role was going to fall apart if we ever lost anyone, and possibly partially out a buddy. | ||
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On July 04 2013 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote: When I found out I had my own role, dec told me I was the only one it happened to.dec how in the shit did so many people end up with their own roles I was gonna jump all over BC D1 because I thought he was lying as not-mafia before things got cleared up. | ||
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austinmcc
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All three of those options win the game if I'm not overly paranoid. Bullshit Anti-Mafia Voltron indeed. | ||
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On July 04 2013 03:15 gonzaw wrote: Oh yeah, it's purely a result of the context. It could certainly be Bullshit Anti-Town Voltron, although if you aren't mafia with him you can either (1) try and get him to pick bad options or (2) tell town everything he can ever do, assuming he ever gives up that he has your role. Someone with that role might not know on D1 how powerful it could be in the future, and might say it's yours.Well austin, you forget he has to be alive by N3, and can only use it that N3 (I thought he could only use it at N4 since I thought he would get the item the NEXT phase). Also it's one shot Hmm...although I had it thought with more players in mind lol. I thought that by N3 there would be like 10-13 players alive, so he using them right there wouldn't be that OP; but if he kept them for longer he could get shot/lynched Also, if Xfire was scum, wouldn't it be Bullshit Anti-Town Voltron?  I think I'm just salty that the role made things difficult. I did jack all this game except try to get kita lynched and try to figure out what you and crossfire were going to do during night phases. | ||
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On July 04 2013 03:42 geript wrote: To be fair, I only got to resurrect if I got shot twice in a cycle or decided not to absorb a hit. That's was my problem. There was no intention put in to balance the game. That's somewhat the nature of PTP. I hope for PTP games to be more "fun" than "balanced," the first bit of this game was so tame for PTP, until everyone started resurrecting and whatnot. Even if we'd had a fourth mafia member, there were so many roles with a wide variance: my role, Inventorizer, crossfire, strongandbig, solstice, plus the random movement of the TARDIS...I don't think you actually CAN balance that out. | ||
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On July 04 2013 03:54 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, I learned me a lesson. I thought about submitted a role for each alignment, but...then that sucks because it gives you extra information about alignments.Tip for next time: don't make a role that only works for town Next PTP I'll just give up on actual powers entirely and give somebody an enormous list of bonus win cons. | ||
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Everyone creates a role, roles are all in the open and get drafted? e: With some extra roles thrown in or something. | ||
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