EPTPTP IV - Demon's Run - Page 159
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Crossfire99
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Crossfire99
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First, austin is 100% scum, kita 100% 3rd party. The important part is what type of 3rd party, though. 2 options: survivor and SK (obviously excluding assassins and other 3rd party roles because we know that the 3rd party in this game has to survive until endgame) What makes these roles different besides their abilities? Mentality. Survivor just wants to win with whatever side he can. He doesn't care whether it is town or scum. This manifests by blending in during the beginning of the game when he is unsure about who is going to win, but then becoming more aligned with whatever side he thinks is winning later in the game. SK is similar but different. He needs to be the only survivor at the end and kill everyone. This means that he usually has some form of KP to help accomplish this. His mentality is similar to a survivor in that he wants to blend in early game when he is unsure about who is going to win, but is different in that once he sees one side starting to win, he wants to play against that side to keep the game close so he has an easier chance to achieve his win condition. What fits kita's actions most this game? I argue SK. He knew who was scum pretty early in this game and he has quoted the numerous posts where he was suspicious of austin and geript. What doesn't make sense is this. Meapak dies and pretty much confirms austin as scum for kita. Kita claims survivor because he got too trolly and obvious. Important note here is that he is spamming up the thread with nonsense and playing antitown even though he now knows who scum are and has KP that can deal with them. He know geript and austin are scum. Geript challenges him to mortal combat but kita has the TARDIS and can do whatever he wants with it. He could have used the TARDIS to hit austin because he knows geript's ability only protects at night. This would prove that he's 3rd party working with town by killing scum. Instead of this, he kills Dandel and tries to lynch sk8r instead of austin. (Even if he thinks sk8r is scum, he is more sure of austin at this point and has been pushing him previously.) This is actively working against town. Day 3 comes along and he attempts to work with mafia!? Why if he is just a survivor does he need to work with mafia? He can just dayvig austin thus proving he is 3rd party working with town. Geript then gets lynched and worst case scenario is that scum down to 1 member. Kita then skates along and never will get nk or lynched because it isn't in scum or town's best interest to do either. But no, Kita shoots Dandel again because Dandel wants Kita dead and has been pushing it relentlessly. I think that pretty much sums up why I think Kita is a SK, not a survivor. | ||
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deconduo
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On July 02 2013 10:25 gonzaw wrote: Can austin put a link to his scum QT? Direct links to QTs are not allowed. | ||
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kitaman27
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Why I am not and cannot be a Serial Killer 1) The wording of the win conditions: The Alliance You win when all Anti-Town forces are dead. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. The mafia team wins when all Town forces are dead. If you need to, confirm with the hosts that this is not a typo because this is really important. By definition, Serial Killers win when they are the only player remaining in the game. Suppose it is 2 mafia, 1 town, and 1 serial killer. Everyone lynches the town player and it is 2 mafia, 1 serial killer. There are no town remaining so the game ends in a mafia victory. This is a 100% conflict with the Serial Killer win condition of being the sole survivor. As I said earlier, I am a survivor who must feed to the TARDIS to achieve my win condition. I am not anti-town because I can win with either faction as long as I'm alive and have met my win condition. 2) I have no factional KP and I have no bulletproof vest. Serial killers always have factional kp. Yes, I have my role, but the mafia team still has their roles plus they get their factional kp on top of that. A bullet every other day is hardly enough. Roles can be roleblocked, while factional kp cannot, meaning that in a 1v1 situation with a roleblocker, a serial killer wouldn't even be able to win. Furthermore, I have no protection role, outside of the D2 TARDIS that I had to out myself as survivor to receive. The moment I'm hit with a town or mafia kp I lose the game. Suppose a serial killer were to shoot mafia early in the game. Are they supposed to just ask nicely that the mafia team does not shoot them in return? Suppose I was hit by that random vig from gonzaw...well serial killer, you played a perfect game, but unfortunately you got randomly hit and lose. Sorry! Without a factional kp and a bulletproof vest, a serial killer would have next to no chance of winning this game. 3) My role had a lover aspect. " If you and your maid survive for two straight cycles(day and night, or 144 real-life hours), you become lovers, which means that if one dies, the other suicides." The win condition of a Serial Killer is to be the sole remaining player. If the lover part of my role were to ever go into effect, I would suicide upon their death. That means that it would be impossible to win the game. As a survivor, my lover can still be around as long as the other faction is eliminated. While I technically could be a serial killer that has a lover role, but is forced not to ever have it activated if I want to win, that would be incredibly lame. 4) I claimed third party survivor in my first post, night one, and day two. I claimed third party from the start of the game and pointed out my breadcrumb after requesting the TARDIS. A serial killer operates from the shadows and wants to keep his identity hidden for as long as possible. Suppose we lynched austin D2, rather than Sk8r. The mafia team is eliminated and who do you think the town is going to go after next? Obviously the claimed third party player. There was no reason for me to claim for the TARDIS as a serial killer, but it would be completely reasonable for the Survivor who needs to feed on the TARDIS to claim for the TARDIS. On July 02 2013 15:00 Crossfire99 wrote: What fits kita's actions most this game? I argue SK. He knew who was scum pretty early in this game and he has quoted the numerous posts where he was suspicious of austin and geript. What doesn't make sense is this. Meapak dies and pretty much confirms austin as scum for kita. Kita claims survivor because he got too trolly and obvious. Important note here is that he is spamming up the thread with nonsense and playing antitown even though he now knows who scum are and has KP that can deal with them. He know geript and austin are scum. Geript challenges him to mortal combat but kita has the TARDIS and can do whatever he wants with it. He could have used the TARDIS to hit austin because he knows geript's ability only protects at night. This would prove that he's 3rd party working with town by killing scum. Now put yourself in my shoes. Geript tries to kill me, I bus the shot to austin instead. I've shared my suspicion of geript, austin, and Meapak. The mafia have a strong suspicoin that I have a day vig as well. Guess who is getting shot at night? That would be survivor suicide and make it essentially impossible to to ever win with mafia. I suppose I could have asked for protection from a potential town role, but what townie is going to protect the claimed third party over someone like BC, gonzaw, or kurumi the inventor. On July 02 2013 15:00 Crossfire99 wrote: Day 3 comes along and he attempts to work with mafia!? Why if he is just a survivor does he need to work with mafia? He can just dayvig austin thus proving he is 3rd party working with town. Like I explained before, mafia almost certainly had the TARDIS. geript had his protection ability so austin would be the only player that makes sense as being protected. I shoot austin, nothing happens, geript gets lynched, I get lynched the next cycle and austin wins. On July 02 2013 15:00 Crossfire99 wrote: Kita then skates along and never will get nk or lynched because it isn't in scum or town's best interest to do either. I don't understand why this doesn't point to survivor. This points 100% to survivor. What more does a survivor want than to never be night killed and never be lynched? It means he wins. I killed Dandel because he was a threat to myself. What survivor wants to keep around a player that wants to kill him? | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
On July 02 2013 21:55 kitaman27 wrote: Well first off, I confirmed that geript learned about my lover role through the mason pm. Why I am not and cannot be a Serial Killer 1) The wording of the win conditions: The Alliance You win when all Anti-Town forces are dead. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. The mafia team wins when all Town forces are dead. If you need to, confirm with the hosts that this is not a typo because this is really important. By definition, Serial Killers win when they are the only player remaining in the game. Suppose it is 2 mafia, 1 town, and 1 serial killer. Everyone lynches the town player and it is 2 mafia, 1 serial killer. There are no town remaining so the game ends in a mafia victory. This is a 100% conflict with the Serial Killer win condition of being the sole survivor. As I said earlier, I am a survivor who must feed to the TARDIS to achieve my win condition. I am not anti-town because I can win with either faction as long as I'm alive and have met my win condition. 2) I have no factional KP and I have no bulletproof vest. Serial killers always have factional kp. Yes, I have my role, but the mafia team still has their roles plus they get their factional kp on top of that. A bullet every other day is hardly enough. Roles can be roleblocked, while factional kp cannot, meaning that in a 1v1 situation with a roleblocker, a serial killer wouldn't even be able to win. Furthermore, I have no protection role, outside of the D2 TARDIS that I had to out myself as survivor to receive. The moment I'm hit with a town or mafia kp I lose the game. Suppose a serial killer were to shoot mafia early in the game. Are they supposed to just ask nicely that the mafia team does not shoot them in return? Suppose I was hit by that random vig from gonzaw...well serial killer, you played a perfect game, but unfortunately you got randomly hit and lose. Sorry! Without a factional kp and a bulletproof vest, a serial killer would have next to no chance of winning this game. 3) My role had a lover aspect. " If you and your maid survive for two straight cycles(day and night, or 144 real-life hours), you become lovers, which means that if one dies, the other suicides." The win condition of a Serial Killer is to be the sole remaining player. If the lover part of my role were to ever go into effect, I would suicide upon their death. That means that it would be impossible to win the game. As a survivor, my lover can still be around as long as the other faction is eliminated. While I technically could be a serial killer that has a lover role, but is forced not to ever have it activated if I want to win, that would be incredibly lame. 4) I claimed third party survivor in my first post, night one, and day two. I claimed third party from the start of the game and pointed out my breadcrumb after requesting the TARDIS. A serial killer operates from the shadows and wants to keep his identity hidden for as long as possible. Suppose we lynched austin D2, rather than Sk8r. The mafia team is eliminated and who do you think the town is going to go after next? Obviously the claimed third party player. There was no reason for me to claim for the TARDIS as a serial killer, but it would be completely reasonable for the Survivor who needs to feed on the TARDIS to claim for the TARDIS. Now put yourself in my shoes. Geript tries to kill me, I bus the shot to austin instead. I've shared my suspicion of geript, austin, and Meapak. The mafia have a strong suspicoin that I have a day vig as well. Guess who is getting shot at night? That would be survivor suicide and make it essentially impossible to to ever win with mafia. I suppose I could have asked for protection from a potential town role, but what townie is going to protect the claimed third party over someone like BC, gonzaw, or kurumi the inventor. Like I explained before, mafia almost certainly had the TARDIS. geript had his protection ability so austin would be the only player that makes sense as being protected. I shoot austin, nothing happens, geript gets lynched, I get lynched the next cycle and austin wins. I don't understand why this doesn't point to survivor. This points 100% to survivor. What more does a survivor want than to never be night killed and never be lynched? It means he wins. I killed Dandel because he was a threat to myself. What survivor wants to keep around a player that wants to kill him? 1. I'll ask the hosts about this. 2. Serial Killers don't always have factional KP. iGrok made a 1-shot bulletproof SK. I don't know if you're bulletproof or not. Maybe getting the TARDIS made you a vet because you fed on its energy. Plus isn't a dayvig every other day good enough? Dayvigs can rarely be protected against making it stronger than a night shot. 3. You have a dayvig to kill your partner off. You also don't have to use your mason abilities. 4. You breadcrumb survivor in case you ever need to claim something. You ask for the TARDIS because it powers you up in some way. So scum shoot a "survivor" because they think you are "confirmed." That makes no sense. If you are a survivor, they should want to keep you alive because you can still win with them. You don't have to shoot anyone if you are truly a survivor you know. I worded this bad Kita then skates along and never will get nk or lynched because it isn't in scum or town's best interest to do either. I should have said Kita could then skate along and never will get nk or lynched because it isn't in scum or town's best interest to do either. You didn't do that because you actively worked against town. | ||
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kitaman27
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On July 02 2013 22:17 Crossfire99 wrote: 1. I'll ask the hosts about this. That is really the deal breaker. A serial killer cannot exist in this setup and that trumps all other points. On July 02 2013 22:17 Crossfire99 wrote: I don't know if you're bulletproof or not. Maybe getting the TARDIS made you a vet because you fed on its energy. You don't know if I'm bulletproof, but if I am, there is no reason to claim survivor in the thread so the mafia wouldn't hit me. There is no reason to think the game is over when BC fake shot me. On July 02 2013 22:17 Crossfire99 wrote: 3. You have a dayvig to kill your partner off. You also don't have to use your mason abilities. I can dayvig, but I'll only have 1 chance to do so. If the shot is roleblocked, the TARDIS stops the shot, or the player has a protective ability, the shot doesn't go through and I lose the game because I cannot be the sole survivor. Sure, I could never use the mason ability, but that is pretty lame. Notice how I chose geript as my lover and attempted to save him from the lynch. If he didn't get lynched, I wouldn't be able to day vig him (I knew so when I created my role), so if he was still around on d5, I wouldn't be able to win the game as a serial killer lover. However, I am a survivor, I knew that if geript was around by d5, I'd be able to win with mafia, so it didn't matter. Sure, I could never use the mason, but like I said, that would be pretty lame from a setup perspective. On July 02 2013 22:17 Crossfire99 wrote: 4. You breadcrumb survivor in case you ever need to claim something. You ask for the TARDIS because it powers you up in some way. I claimed on day two because a mafia night hit would end the game for me. On July 02 2013 22:17 Crossfire99 wrote: So scum shoot a "survivor" because they think you are "confirmed." That makes no sense. If you are a survivor, they should want to keep you alive because you can still win with them. They wouldn't know my alignment, other than trusting my word of being a survivor. They would have 1 player remaining against like 9 town and a third party player. The game would be essentially over and a revenge shot wouldn't be out of the question. The easiest way for me to lose this game is a mafia kp and I tried my best to not get on their bad side, while still keeping the option of a town victory open. On July 02 2013 22:17 Crossfire99 wrote: You don't have to shoot anyone if you are truly a survivor you know. If I have a chance to kill a player like dandel who wants me dead before lylo, there is no reason not to kill him. Plus, it ends the game quicker which is good for me. | ||
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austinmcc
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On July 02 2013 22:58 kitaman27 wrote: This argument is bs.If I have a chance to kill a player like dandel who wants me dead before lylo, there is no reason not to kill him. Plus, it ends the game quicker which is good for me. DI didn't just "want kita dead." He wanted kita dead because he thought kita was mafia/anti-town. - + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2013 23:15 Dandel Ion wrote: Well good thing you decided to play for scum after they allegedly tried to kill you. makes sense. On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote: He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. On June 29 2013 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote: We could win faster, but risk a lot of shit relying on kita not playing anti-town as fuck, which we can't rely on. He needs to die. We can slow-roll this game, no problem. I see no need to rush it. On June 29 2013 03:45 Dandel Ion wrote: Yeah or it's simply geript-Xata-MZ-kita scum team On June 29 2013 07:52 Dandel Ion wrote: It'll be 4-3 kita is scum. AS I'VE SAID At this point, kita has options. He doesn't HAVE to kill DI. (1) He kills DI. Now DI is off his back, and there are less dudes, and maybe he can save geript. (2) He shoots me, lets geript get killed, AND POSTS THE LOGS HE HAS WHERE SOMEONE CLAIMS MAFIA AND TELLS HIM WHERE TO SHOOT/NOT SHOOT. I don't care if DI is the most stubborn person in the world. If kita SHOOTS SCUM, and then POSTS LOGS WHERE SCUM TALKS TARGETING, DI is going to have to take that new information into account. Kita didn't kill DI's family and burn his village, causing DI to swear some kind of vendetta. Kita just looked scummy. If he shoots me, geript gets lynched, and he posts logs, then absolutely no way in hell is town going to lynch him. If he's really a neutral survivor, he just won himself the game. Town is NOT going to kill that dude, and mafia just lost two players. They don't have time to be NKing third parties in that case, they have to use everything just not to die to town. That's what all this survivor and DI-shooting crap comes down to. Kita had the option of being GOLDEN on D3. But instead of getting DI to not want to kill him by pretty much winning town the game (and HIMSELF the game, if he's to be believed and can win with town), he gets DI to not want to kill him by shooting DI. The townie solution to "DI wants to kill me" is "Hunt scum, shoot scum, look townie." The anti-town solution to "DI wants to kill me" is "Shoot DI" | ||
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kitaman27
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On July 02 2013 23:20 austinmcc wrote: This argument is bs. DI didn't just "want kita dead." He wanted kita dead because he thought kita was mafia/anti-town. - + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2013 23:15 Dandel Ion wrote: Well good thing you decided to play for scum after they allegedly tried to kill you. makes sense. On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote: He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. On June 29 2013 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote: We could win faster, but risk a lot of shit relying on kita not playing anti-town as fuck, which we can't rely on. He needs to die. We can slow-roll this game, no problem. I see no need to rush it. On June 29 2013 03:45 Dandel Ion wrote: Yeah or it's simply geript-Xata-MZ-kita scum team On June 29 2013 07:52 Dandel Ion wrote: It'll be 4-3 kita is scum. AS I'VE SAID At this point, kita has options. He doesn't HAVE to kill DI. (1) He kills DI. Now DI is off his back, and there are less dudes, and maybe he can save geript. (2) He shoots me, lets geript get killed, AND POSTS THE LOGS HE HAS WHERE SOMEONE CLAIMS MAFIA AND TELLS HIM WHERE TO SHOOT/NOT SHOOT. I don't care if DI is the most stubborn person in the world. If kita SHOOTS SCUM, and then POSTS LOGS WHERE SCUM TALKS TARGETING, DI is going to have to take that new information into account. Kita didn't kill DI's family and burn his village, causing DI to swear some kind of vendetta. Kita just looked scummy. If he shoots me, geript gets lynched, and he posts logs, then absolutely no way in hell is town going to lynch him. If he's really a neutral survivor, he just won himself the game. Town is NOT going to kill that dude, and mafia just lost two players. They don't have time to be NKing third parties in that case, they have to use everything just not to die to town. lol you know just as well as I do that geript was bulletproof and you were TARDIS protected. | ||
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austinmcc
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On July 03 2013 00:26 kitaman27 wrote: lol you know just as well as I do that geript was bulletproof and you were TARDIS protected. EVEN if this were the case (and it's not), you can: (1) Kill DI. (2) Post logs, shoot me, force me to use TARDIS protection (passing the TARDIS to a random new person AND I think getting rid of any night action I might have), let geript get lynched Geript dies. The logs show me to be scum and everyone else to be town. The TARDIS is probably in town hands, or at the very least isn't in MY hands. You STILL look incredibly townie, especially releasing the geript logs. You STILL are going to get DI off your back. Sure, you only drop one mafia instead of two, but you become uber-townie and all the village children love you and dance with you, while I go get executed behind the village woodshed. So even if you actually believe that, and I assume your role did something to the TARDIS and you know what's up with it, you made the seriously anti-town play. | ||
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kitaman27
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Crossfire99
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Alignments: The Alliance You win when all Anti-Town forces are dead. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. ????? You win if you are alive at the end of the game and have fulfilled your victory condition. The things to notice about the win conditions are:
What all of this says to me is that there are 2 options for 3rd party this game:
I've already described your play this game. It doesn't match up with a neutral survivor mentality. What it does match up with is an anti-town survivor that can win with mafia. For all I know you could be a "traitor" in the sense that you work with mafia and can't communicate, but you can actually win by yourself if all mafia are dead and you eliminate town. It would make sense for you to be a pro-mafia 3rd party and use your mason to communicate with scum like you did. You readily admitted that you were trying to win with scum and become lovers with geript. | ||
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kitaman27
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On July 03 2013 00:43 Crossfire99 wrote: What all of this says to me is that there are 2 options for 3rd party this game:
In the history of teamliquid mafia, or any other mafia site as far as I've witnessed, there has never been a third party "serial killer", or whatever anti-town third party role you want to call it, than can win with one faction, but not the other. That's hundreds and hundreds of games where this has never happened once. Survivors are extremely common, you see them all the time. You're looking for a scenario that is possible in theory, but not even close to likely. It's possible that gonzaw is a anti-town third party serial killer than can win with mafia, but that isn't the likely scenario. You have to look at what is probably, not what is possible. I help balance theme games all the time and the role simply doesn't make sense and would have like a 5% chance of winning at best without a bulletproof role or a factional kp. On July 03 2013 00:43 Crossfire99 wrote: I've already described your play this game. It doesn't match up with a neutral survivor mentality. What it does match up with is an anti-town survivor that can win with mafia. For all I know you could be a "traitor" in the sense that you work with mafia and can't communicate, but you can actually win by yourself if all mafia are dead and you eliminate town. It would make sense for you to be a pro-mafia 3rd party and use your mason to communicate with scum like you did. You readily admitted that you were trying to win with scum and become lovers with geript. If I'm the traitor, there is no way that I waste 10 hour on this game to argue why austin should be lynched and I should not, if I just win with mafia anways. There is no way that I make the mafia team look so terrible on day one when I need to win with them. "You readily admitted that you were trying to win with scum" I'm a survivor. Of course I tried to win the game when the win was offered to me. I understand you are upset about the fact that I shot dandel and tried to win with geript. You can hold a grudge, but the fact is that an austin lynch ends the game. You can't seriously let the claimed mafia survive going into a 2v1 night, while he likely has a tardis. That is 50% at best and a lot lower at worst. The point of the game is to play to win, not to play to lose because I'm holding a grudge against the survivor that tried to meet his win condition with a party that isn't mine, so I'm going to punish him by throwing the game out the window and flipping a coin. | ||
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kitaman27
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When I voted with geript, it was 2 mafia, 3 town, 1 survivor. With the lynch and night hit, we would go into today 1 mafia, 2 town, 1 survivor. With neither the town, nor the mafia, controlling the vote in this scenario, it put me in a king maker situation. I could side with town, we lynch austin, I win. I could side with austin, we lynch town and night hit, I win. The last thing I was thinking about was a scenario where I would be forced to vote for myself in a 2v1v1 situation. I took a situation where I was going to survive no matter which faction was lynched. If I didn't shoot dandel and shot a protected austin, its 3v1v1, you guys could lynch me like Dandel would want. He was the person pushing that I should be lynched before endgame. it would be 3v1, then 2v1 after the night hit and town wins without a survivor win. Don't punish me for playing to my win condition by keeping both routes of victory open. A 50/50 coinflip tonight is complete garbage compared to a guaranteed victory. | ||
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austinmcc
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Kita keeps saying he didn't want to shoot at me D3 because he thinks I had the TARDIS and was protected. Kita's shot is SILENT. We didn't know who killed solstice D1. He didn't type anything in thread. All that happens is that someone dies. EVEN IF I had the TARDIS (and I didn't and don't), how was I going to protect myself from a silent shot? I would never know it's coming. On July 03 2013 02:08 kitaman27 wrote: Again, DI wanted to lynch you because you thought he was mafia.Crossfire, I think you're not looking at things from my perspective and then concluding that I'm some weird mafia aligned third party aligned role because of it. When I voted with geript, it was 2 mafia, 3 town, 1 survivor. With the lynch and night hit, we would go into today 1 mafia, 2 town, 1 survivor. With neither the town, nor the mafia, controlling the vote in this scenario, it put me in a king maker situation. I could side with town, we lynch austin, I win. I could side with austin, we lynch town and night hit, I win. The last thing I was thinking about was a scenario where I would be forced to vote for myself in a 2v1v1 situation. I took a situation where I was going to survive no matter which faction was lynched. If I didn't shoot dandel and shot a protected austin, its 3v1v1, you guys could lynch me like Dandel would want. He was the person pushing that I should be lynched before endgame. it would be 3v1, then 2v1 after the night hit and town wins without a survivor win. Don't punish me for playing to my win condition by keeping both routes of victory open. A 50/50 coinflip tonight is complete garbage compared to a guaranteed victory. Posting your logs with geript, shooting me, not trying to save geript goes a long way towards convincing DI not to lynch you. In fact, posting the logs, having geript flip scum, pretty much guarantees that I am the D4 lynch today in a 3-1-1 situation, not you. In your version of events, DI is so pissed at you that in the 3-1-1 situation he goes after you, who just helped town big time, rather than me, who geript has basically confirmed as mafia. That is ridiculous. | ||
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kitaman27
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On July 03 2013 02:23 austinmcc wrote: ---HEY HEY HEY--- Kita keeps saying he didn't want to shoot at me D3 because he thinks I had the TARDIS and was protected. Kita's shot is SILENT. We didn't know who killed solstice D1. He didn't type anything in thread. All that happens is that someone dies. You knew that there was a day vig role that is refreshed every other day. Your options are: 1) Use the self protection role to ensure a day vig cannot kill you 2) Do not use the self protection role because you want to allow the day vig to kill you. On July 03 2013 02:23 austinmcc wrote: EVEN IF I had the TARDIS (and I didn't and don't), how was I going to protect myself from a silent shot? I would never know it's coming. Again, DI wanted to lynch you because you thought he was mafia. Posting your logs with geript, shooting me, not trying to save geript goes a long way towards convincing DI not to lynch you. In fact, posting the logs, having geript flip scum, pretty much guarantees that I am the D4 lynch today in a 3-1-1 situation, not you. In your version of events, DI is so pissed at you that in the 3-1-1 situation he goes after you, who just helped town big time, rather than me, who geript has basically confirmed as mafia. That is ridiculous. That's incorrect. DI said, even if Kita is a survivor, we have to lynch him before LYLO. Would would have 2 lynches in a 3-1-1 situation and I couldn't guarantee that austin would be first if town wanted to remove my day vig from the game. | ||
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