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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On July 02 2013 03:14 austinmcc wrote:
bee tee dubs, I don't have the TARDIS. It's either winked out of existence when Kurumi died (doesn't transfer again once drained?) or kita has it.
I don't think that matters, and you may not trust me, but...it wouldn't even do anything for me if I had it, so there's no reason to hide that. It wouldn't stop a lynch or help me kill you guys tonight, so...there's no real reason to lie here.
No real reason to lie? Either you or geript have lied because you contradict each other.
GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-28-2013
05:38 PM ET (US)
Not saying, but I'm not worried about it.
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kitaman27
06-28-2013
05:29 PM ET (US)
So you guys have it?
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GeriptPerson was signed in when posted
06-28-2013
05:09 PM ET (US)
No not worried about Tardis at all.
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kitaman27
06-28-2013
05:01 PM ET (US)
Do you not worry about gonzaw being protected? If you guys don't have the TARDIS, someone must have it, unless my aids broke it.
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On July 02 2013 03:22 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 03:14 austinmcc wrote:
bee tee dubs, I don't have the TARDIS. It's either winked out of existence when Kurumi died (doesn't transfer again once drained?) or kita has it.
I don't think that matters, and you may not trust me, but...it wouldn't even do anything for me if I had it, so there's no reason to hide that. It wouldn't stop a lynch or help me kill you guys tonight, so...there's no real reason to lie here. No real reason to lie? Either you or geript have lied because you contradict each other. GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:38 PM ET (US) Not saying, but I'm not worried about it. 72 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:29 PM ET (US) So you guys have it? 71 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:09 PM ET (US) No not worried about Tardis at all. 70 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:01 PM ET (US) Do you not worry about gonzaw being protected? If you guys don't have the TARDIS, someone must have it, unless my aids broke it. I didn't worry until NOW about gonzaw being protected, no.
I figured it winked out of existence, or that it being drained of energy meant it couldn't activate. If they've got the TARDIS, it makes things harder/impossible for me, but if that were the case, then: (1) I don't think they'd be slow-rolling it like this; and (2) they'd lynch you, because I can't kill them tonight and they can lynch me tomorrow.
If they have the TARDIS, then they lynch you, ensure that they don't have a chance to lose, and then lynch me tomorrow. You silly.
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On July 01 2013 22:58 kitaman27 wrote:
There is no way to prove this, but you're rarely going to get proof of something in a mafia game. You have to determine what is most likely. It is incredibly unlikely that a mafia player would have knowledge of a town role. Why would they?
I assume you "supposedly" didn't have full knowledge of the TARDIS other than "you win if you get this shit called TARDIS".
Why can't scum just know there exists a TARDIS in the game? It wouldn't give them any more info about it (that it makes you a vet/busdriver, etc).
It's possible.
I mean, until know I didn't believe ANYBODY ELSE would have a role or win con tied directly to some shit some player made up to create a role. First time I see that
"If you don't choose a new player to give the TARDIS to after having used it once or if a player dies while in possession of the TARDIS, it will be randomly distributed to some other player still alive in the game."
Killing Kurumi wouldn't guarantee it was returned to me. I gave a self-protect/busdrive ability to the town inventor when I didn't have to. Sk8r was town so there was no restriction on passing.
Hmm...Kurumi was indeed the town inventor-er, who apparently scum wanted dead so much.
But it is possible maybe, you as scum or SK or whatever knew the TARDIS would be drained after you got it and used it or whatever, so you would pass it to Kurumi and kill him at night (he wouldn't prot himself since TARDIS was deactivated then), and then get the TARDIS again later (either by chance, or by killing the townie that got it, etc etc).
Speaking of which, right now you don't have the TARDIS (austin has it). Arent' you like confirmed to lose now? The only way you can win is if we lynch austin and you get lucky (33% chance) that you get the TARDIS after he dies.
If not I or Xfire get the TARDIS, all scum are dead so we win, but you don't have the TARDIS so you lose.
On July 02 2013 00:40 austinmcc wrote:
Based on the other points, he's lying about some things and his role doesn't match up with him being a survivor.
Yeah how about you make it easier for us and point that shit out?
What exactly makes his story as survivor "reek" but makes sense as SK-ish?
You know, the lying "survivor" with a vigi shot and a "lovers" thing that is AWFUL for a survivor (see below).
You think hosts balance alignments of 3P based on the role he got?
So...what if they had my role then? Wtf would that 3P be? Jester/Town Idiot?
Or they looked at which role everybody got, and then decided "yes, the guy that gets THIS role gets to be 3P survivor, the guy that gets this other role will be 3P SK", etc?
That last one could have made sense I guess.
But why wouldn't they just give a SK a factional KP, ON TOP of his PTP role?
I mean, scum had factional KP and they had lots of PTP roles with abilities and shit, why can't a SK have that either? (of course it may not have been too balanced, but just increase some townies to 16 or 17 and that shit is good to go)
So what role would you say fits a survivor more than the one kita got?
Although now this 3rd alternative was presented yes (1- kita scum, 2-kita townie survivor, 3-kita antitown 3P)
Hmm, Xfire, do you think kita can still be scum now?
I kind of want austin to do some more shit to be sure he's not (he could start by voting kita).
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Again, Gonzaw, crossfire, any dead townies who might resurrect today because holy balls did a lot of people making resurrection roles.
Third parties are NOT all survivors like kita says. The OP says that third parties have to survive AND do stuff. Moreover, you can confirm for yourselves, third parties CAN be town or anti-town. Based on that, the alliance and the church may well need to eliminate third parties, or specific third parties, before they can win.
However, CAN be is the furthest you get with your questions. I checked to see whether third parties are guaranteed to be town/anti-town, rather than just neutral, and I'm not allowed an answer. Again, check for yourselves if you want, and I can understand not answering because either answer there is gamebreaking. You just gotta figure out whether you think things add up.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On July 02 2013 03:24 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 03:22 kitaman27 wrote:On July 02 2013 03:14 austinmcc wrote:
bee tee dubs, I don't have the TARDIS. It's either winked out of existence when Kurumi died (doesn't transfer again once drained?) or kita has it.
I don't think that matters, and you may not trust me, but...it wouldn't even do anything for me if I had it, so there's no reason to hide that. It wouldn't stop a lynch or help me kill you guys tonight, so...there's no real reason to lie here. No real reason to lie? Either you or geript have lied because you contradict each other. GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:38 PM ET (US) Not saying, but I'm not worried about it. 72 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:29 PM ET (US) So you guys have it? 71 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:09 PM ET (US) No not worried about Tardis at all. 70 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:01 PM ET (US) Do you not worry about gonzaw being protected? If you guys don't have the TARDIS, someone must have it, unless my aids broke it. I didn't worry until NOW about gonzaw being protected, no. I figured it winked out of existence, or that it being drained of energy meant it couldn't activate.
And guess how it got drained? My win condition.
If I did not drain the TARDIS through my win condition how else could it have broke? It got drained through using it too much? We know the TARDIS was used by Sk8r (x2) and myself before it broke.
Since it started with town that would mean that it could be used by the mafia team at most twice before it was "naturally drained". If this is the case, why in the world would the TARDIS contain the anti-mafia clause that prevented back-to-back use. If the TARDIS could be drained naturally, it could only be used twice by mafia anyways. Furthermore, why wasn't the draining part included in the role? Because it is my win condition. Did I plan to claim survivor from the first post, hoping that the TARDIS would be drained by coincidence and that I'd pretend to make up a win condition by looking into the future?
On July 02 2013 03:24 austinmcc wrote:
Since it started with a town player, that means that it
If they've got the TARDIS, it makes things harder/impossible for me, but if that were the case, then: (1) I don't think they'd be slow-rolling it like this; and (2) they'd lynch you, because I can't kill them tonight and they can lynch me tomorrow.
If they have the TARDIS, then they lynch you, ensure that they don't have a chance to lose, and then lynch me tomorrow. You silly.
You know what ensures that town doesn't lose? They lynch the remaining mafia and end the game.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On July 02 2013 03:29 gonzaw wrote:
But it is possible maybe, you as scum or SK or whatever knew the TARDIS would be drained after you got it and used it or whatever, so you would pass it to Kurumi and kill him at night (he wouldn't prot himself since TARDIS was deactivated then), and then get the TARDIS again later (either by chance, or by killing the townie that got it, etc etc).
Well that would be kind of difficult considering I don't have a night kp. Why would I want a broken TARDIS back anyways?
On July 02 2013 03:29 gonzaw wrote:
Speaking of which, right now you don't have the TARDIS (austin has it). Arent' you like confirmed to lose now? The only way you can win is if we lynch austin and you get lucky (33% chance) that you get the TARDIS after he dies.
If not I or Xfire get the TARDIS, all scum are dead so we win, but you don't have the TARDIS so you lose.
Huh? I met my TARDIS win condition once I fed on it. I don't need to hold it at the end of the game. Otherwise, I would have never passed it to kurumi.
On July 02 2013 03:29 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, Xfire, do you think kita can still be scum now?
You've got to be kidding me.
On July 02 2013 03:29 austinmcc wrote:
Third parties are NOT all survivors like kita says. The OP says that third parties have to survive AND do stuff. Moreover, you can confirm for yourselves, third parties CAN be town or anti-town. Based on that, the alliance and the church may well need to eliminate third parties, or specific third parties, before they can win.
I've already explained what my "do stuff" win condition was. I fed on the TARDIS.
On July 02 2013 03:29 austinmcc wrote:
However, CAN be is the furthest you get with your questions. I checked to see whether third parties are guaranteed to be town/anti-town, rather than just neutral, and I'm not allowed an answer. Again, check for yourselves if you want, and I can understand not answering because either answer there is gamebreaking. You just gotta figure out whether you think things add up.
austin cannot win with town under any circumstances. Settling for a 50/50 win would be terrible for town when the alternative is 100%.
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On July 02 2013 03:14 austinmcc wrote:
bee tee dubs, I don't have the TARDIS. It's either winked out of existence when Kurumi died (doesn't transfer again once drained?) or kita has it.
I don't think that matters, and you may not trust me, but...it wouldn't even do anything for me if I had it, so there's no reason to hide that. It wouldn't stop a lynch or help me kill you guys tonight, so...there's no real reason to lie here.
Actually there is.
On July 02 2013 00:42 austinmcc wrote:
He didn't tell Crossfire he had limited shots. Zephirdd didn't say anything about limited shots. Three is an odd number to be limited to. The likely conclusion? He's not actually limited on shots. He has some angle when he was talking to geript, and it slipped his mind when changing to crossfire and he didn't alter his PM.
I don't really care about him lying to confirmed scum (that is actually pro-town lol)
(wouldn't mind a thorough explanation of why he was stabbing scum in the back with it though)
Everybody and their mother knew he has unlimited shots.
Like...that's why we are even debating this shit. If we didn't figure out he could have unlimited shots we would have lynched you in a heartbeat and lynch him on D5 (since he wouldn't have any KP whatsoever to kill me or Xfire).
Also I dunno where you get the "three shot" thing. He shot solstice on D1, and Dandel on D3.
If he was indeed talking with geript before shooting Dandel on D3, then that would have been his 2nd shot, not 3rd.
Not that it matters though
On July 02 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote:Kita told geript he was a mafia traitor. + Show Spoiler +
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Geript
06-27-2013
06:31 PM ET (US)
Dude give me some credit. And not Traitor is comple bullshit on top of it.
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
06:25 PM ET (US)
Uuuuuuurg. We should have considered traitor with only 3 mafia. I'd been thinking he'd be an assassin or some other 3rd party with KP to help drop numbers.
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
06:23 PM ET (US)
Don't overplay it.
Oh goddamn it. Figure out if there's a way to activate it or something I guess. Do NOT tell him I'm mafia, in case he's actually some other 3P.
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Geript
06-27-2013
06:19 PM ET (US)
FYI Kita claimed mafia traitor. Idk what to believe w/ him. In mason chat w/ him.
Pure copy paste from QT. Kita lied to us about his role. We didn't trust him, and any mention of that from his conversation with geript has been scrubbed away. If he's lying about his 3P role, he's not doing it for happy reasons. He's telling each side what they want to hear.
So...mind telling me in which part of that convo he posted he claims traitor? Because I don't see it.
Either he was in contact with geript via PMs, or one of you two is lying I suppose.
(2) Kita's lovers thing is 100% at odds with him being a survivor Show nested quote +You can pick someone to be your maid by PMing the hosts at any point in the game. You and your maid are able to communicate at any point in time, however you don't know his/her role/alignment and he/she doesnt know yours. If you and your maid survive for two straight cycles(day and night, or 144 real-life hours), you become lovers, which means that if one dies, the other suicides. Geript said he'd become "star-crossed lovers" if he stayed masoned with kita - + Show Spoiler +
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Geript
06-27-2013
07:07 PM ET (US)
i'm quite sure he's some sort of 3p b/c if i stay masoned with him for so long then i become starcrossed lovers with him.
(We were trying to figure out what exactly kita was)
Geript did not know what that meant, or did not tell me. But look at the frigging language kita has claimed. He ties himself to another person, and if one dies, the other suicides? That's an AWFUL power for a survivor, and one you REALLY don't want to use. Not only do YOU have to survive, but now you have to make sure ANOTHER PERSON survives? You just doubled your chances of losing. And kita used his mason on geript, WHO WAS JUST CHECKED AS MAFIA (kita's version of his role says he can PM at any time to be someone's chat buddy). Geript is HIGHLY likely to die at that point, get lynched or something, but kita is planning to keep him alive overnight. Just look at that. Kita shoots geript, who fake dies on D3. He sits out a bit, then pops back into thread N3 or D4 because of his role. Kita KNOWS that, because kita created geript's role. After D3 and N3, kita becomes star-crossed lovers with RED-CHECKED GERIPT. Geript then gets lynched or killed somehow, probably, and KITA DIES BECAUSE OF HIS POWER. It's an AWFUL pairing to choose if you're kita, given the red check. And it's an AWFUL power to EVER use as a survivor, because it makes you more likely to die. But kita used it. Indicates he's NOT a survivor.
So it's awful for 3P pro-town survivor....but it's not awful for 3P anti-town survivor?....lol?
Check the OP, 3P HAS TO SURVIVE to win.
If he's confirmed as 3P then him being lover has no bearing on whether he's an anti-town faction or town faction.
Yes, most likely hosts gave him a shitty role as 3P survivor (he IS a survivor, the only thing we have to determine is if town has to kill him or not to win). I think he said something about it before in N2 or something
On July 02 2013 01:17 austinmcc wrote:
Gonzaw, crossfire, put yourself in kita's mindset D3. He could have sided with town, killed mafia. You guys would have kept him alive then. Mafia would be so utterly screwed that we would need to focus on killing town for the rest of the game. He had an easy path as a survivor. Instead, he sided with mafia. The only purpose that serves is to drag the game out, reduce numbers, and make it so it's not a bunch of townies + kita and the townies scratching their heads wondering why they haven't won yet.
Okay, so far you haven't said this but I assume this is what you are getting at:
So you are saying kita is anti-town 3P survivor, which means he wins with the Church?
Because of what you have posted, then 3rd parties can either be "Town" or "Anti-town" right? So there is always one faction that wins with that 3rd party, and one that doesn't?
That means it's impossible for there to be a SK in this game? If he's "Anti-town" then town has to kill him, but scum can win with him right?
Isn't that a little weird? Or what.
Although if he can win with scum if he's "Anti-town"....it makes sense for him to...side with scum and not town lol
On July 02 2013 03:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 03:29 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, Xfire, do you think kita can still be scum now? You've got to be kidding me.
You kid yourself dude
Anyways this is entertaining at least. Having the key to kill dudes and have them fight to survive is fun.
Well..Xfire has the key since he has 2 votes...but still.
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Gonzaw, my vote's been on kita.
As far as what doesn't add up for him being a survivor, I pointed out things that I saw - - He claimed mafia traitor to us, scrubbed it from the PMs he posted
- He told geript he couldn't shoot again, but Zephirdd mentioned no limits, he didn't tell crossfire any limits, and three-shot limit is weird. If he lied to geript...why? That doesn't make any sense.
- Why mason geript on D3 if there's a CHANCE that geript ends up tied to kita? He could have just shot a very townie townie, or shot geript right before dying. Equally or more effective, yet he chose to open himself up to risk.
- THE FACT THAT HOLY BALLS THIRD PARTIES CAN BE TOWN/ANTI-TOWN
Nothing is the equivalent of a rolecop check that says "Kita not survivor." But there's a bunch of little bits and pieces that feel wrong with his story. It just comes down to whether or not I trust/you trust/crossfire trusts his claim.
You think hosts balance alignments of 3P based on the role he got?
So...what if they had my role then? Wtf would that 3P be? Jester/Town Idiot?
Or they looked at which role everybody got, and then decided "yes, the guy that gets THIS role gets to be 3P survivor, the guy that gets this other role will be 3P SK", etc?
That last one could have made sense I guess.
But why wouldn't they just give a SK a factional KP, ON TOP of his PTP role?
I mean, scum had factional KP and they had lots of PTP roles with abilities and shit, why can't a SK have that either? (of course it may not have been too balanced, but just increase some townies to 16 or 17 and that shit is good to go)
So what role would you say fits a survivor more than the one kita got? I think that, when they're assigning teams, they have to look at some things. A mafia team with a single NK and NO other KP seems like it would have no chance in this game. If geript/DI/WoS had all been town, it would seem like mafia had no chance to win (2.5 resurrectors and 1 NK?).
So I think there's SOME balancing of factions based on the roles that everyone gets. Heck, look at how geript and MZ flipped. Nobody wrote a role for scum. Each scum is "you have this disguise/alias." That way, they take a balanced team of roles people made, turn them into aliases for scum.
So yes, I DO think that they look at what roles everyone got, and balance the game partially around that. We all had aliases. Mafia KP is NOT in the OP (possibly to give them wiggle room and let them give mafia 1 or 2 KP depending on roles). Heck, you thought I was 3P for a while because of my de-bearing bonus win. That's the same thing, "This guy's got a weird bonus wincon, let's make him 3P."
You ask what I think "fits" a survivor, and I have no idea. I don't think anyone in PTP is making a super-survivor focused role, everyone wants cool town powers or cool mafia powers. If you actually want speculation:
Maybe he's telling the truth to geript about being a traitor of sorts. Anti-town survivor. Wins with scum, wins alone. Was angling to win with scum, now is angling to win alone, because that's his only option. Look at how he started the day. He had those logs, he knew I was scum, and his first decision was to tell scum not to backstab him. He keeps talking about backstabbing, indicating that he thinks we're aligned with him. First order of the day, don't get backstabbed. Second order of the day, uh oh, can't win with mafia, better post this stuff. I got no friggin clue.
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Austin, I find it funny how you are trying to make contributions, cases, push a lynch, and shit now when you haven't all game long lol
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Whargl blargl.
Gonzaw, now I'm jumping on the speculation train and yeah, the idea of him being an "x-aligned survivor" doesn't match up with me saying he's not playing like a survivor in any event.
I agree with that. So I'll stop. I don't know what he is. All I know is that it's not as cut and dry as I'd been thinking, and not as cut and dry as you'd been thinking. Before, you assumed he was mafia or 3P, and if he was 3P, then you win when you kill me.
At a very, very basic level, that's not true. He can be an anti-town 3P. It's not valuing (100-x) where x is the chance he and I are colluding here. It's (100-x) where x is the chance that he's anti-town 3P.
So...mind telling me in which part of that convo he posted he claims traitor? Because I don't see it.
Either he was in contact with geript via PMs, or one of you two is lying I suppose. He doesn't in that convo he posted. Geript, in our QT, said kita had claimed mafia traitor. That's one of the things I'm saying doesn't add up.
Either I'm doctoring QT posts or he is. We both have reason to, but I know that I'm not and come endgame you'll know that I'm not, you can read scum QT (not that it does you any good today).
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Hmm, okay, so much of the shit has been said (except the "kita claimed traitor" thing which is floating around, and some tiny stuff)
I'm going now and will be back later. Hopefully Xfire is active then to discuss this shit
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On July 02 2013 03:59 gonzaw wrote:
Austin, I find it funny how you are trying to make contributions, cases, push a lynch, and shit now when you haven't all game long lol It's...pretty ironic.
I did jack all most of game. I actively gave town powers. I outed myself today because I thought you meant the game was over.
But whatever. As funny as it is, as ironic as it is, it doesn't matter. All that matters is whether you trust kita's claim or not, whether you believe he's neutral 3P.
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Gonzaw, the traitor stuff is in my original posts:
On July 02 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote:(1) Kita told geript he was a mafia traitor. + Show Spoiler +
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Geript
06-27-2013
06:31 PM ET (US)
Dude give me some credit. And not Traitor is comple bullshit on top of it.
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
06:25 PM ET (US)
Uuuuuuurg. We should have considered traitor with only 3 mafia. I'd been thinking he'd be an assassin or some other 3rd party with KP to help drop numbers.
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austinmcc
06-27-2013
06:23 PM ET (US)
Don't overplay it.
Oh goddamn it. Figure out if there's a way to activate it or something I guess. Do NOT tell him I'm mafia, in case he's actually some other 3P.
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Geript
06-27-2013
06:19 PM ET (US)
FYI Kita claimed mafia traitor. Idk what to believe w/ him. In mason chat w/ him.
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kitaman27
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On July 02 2013 03:10 austinmcc wrote:
I mean, I do. I spent part of last night thinking up dumb claims.
On July 02 2013 04:03 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +So...mind telling me in which part of that convo he posted he claims traitor? Because I don't see it.
Either he was in contact with geript via PMs, or one of you two is lying I suppose. He doesn't in that convo he posted. Geript, in our QT, said kita had claimed mafia traitor. That's one of the things I'm saying doesn't add up. Either I'm doctoring QT posts or he is. We both have reason to, but I know that I'm not and come endgame you'll know that I'm not, you can read scum QT (not that it does you any good today).
lolol I doctored the QT posts, but you decided to wait 24 hours and not point that out until after you accidentally claimed mafia? Lynch this lair -_-
Furthermore, if you thought I was a mafia traitor, you would be perfectly fine with being lynched because I would win the game for you. The problem is, you know that I'm not a traitor, you know that I'm a survivor, and you know you lose after being lynched.
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On July 02 2013 04:09 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 03:10 austinmcc wrote:
I mean, I do. I spent part of last night thinking up dumb claims. Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 04:03 austinmcc wrote:So...mind telling me in which part of that convo he posted he claims traitor? Because I don't see it.
Either he was in contact with geript via PMs, or one of you two is lying I suppose. He doesn't in that convo he posted. Geript, in our QT, said kita had claimed mafia traitor. That's one of the things I'm saying doesn't add up. Either I'm doctoring QT posts or he is. We both have reason to, but I know that I'm not and come endgame you'll know that I'm not, you can read scum QT (not that it does you any good today). lolol I doctored the QT posts, but you decided to wait 24 hours and not point that out until after you accidentally claimed mafia? Lynch this lair -_- Furthermore, if you thought I was a mafia traitor, you would be perfectly fine with being lynched because I would win the game for you. The problem is, you know that I'm not a traitor, you know that I'm a survivor, and you know you lose after being lynched. Sigh.
We should really just wait for crossfire.
I decided to go to sleep after being super frustrated at claiming mafia. Notice how I stop posting in the evening for eastern US? Then I decided to post this morning, after checking about 3Ps. Notice how I started posting in the morning for eastern US? Frankly, none of my issues mattered until I learned that "all 3Ps are just survivors" is BS and they can alive alignments, which I didn't learn til this morning.
If I thought you were actually a mafia traitor, then of course I'd be fine with getting lynched. But you didn't get added to QT, we never got any message about recruiting a traitor, so we didn't believe your claim. Nor do I right now.
Same thing as I've said to Gonzaw and keep repeating cuz I keep posting. I don't know what you are. But I don't like it. I just know that you're not church and that I don't trust your only-survivor claim.
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i'll post the simplest explanation here that we have to discuss. There are basically 3 options:
1. Kita is a survivor. He doesn't care who wins as long as he survives until endgame and secures his victory condition which in this case is feeding on the TARDIS.
2. Kita is a SK. He needs to survive until endgame and secure his victory condition which is eliminate every other player in the game.
3. Kita is mafia or a traitor. He wins with mafia.
I know which option seems more likely. I'll be back later to reread stuff.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On July 02 2013 06:01 Crossfire99 wrote:
1. Kita is a survivor. He doesn't care who wins as long as he survives until endgame and secures his victory condition which in this case is feeding on the TARDIS.
That's me.
On July 02 2013 06:01 Crossfire99 wrote:
2. Kita is a SK. He needs to survive until endgame and secure his victory condition which is eliminate every other player in the game.
I cannot be a Serial Killer. A serial killer cannot win with mafia, yet the mafia win condition is to kill all town. This option is impossible.
On July 02 2013 06:01 Crossfire99 wrote:
3. Kita is mafia or a traitor. He wins with mafia.
I am not mafia or a traitor. Reread the events of late day one. It crushed the mafia team at no gain and would be a strategic disaster.
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On July 02 2013 06:01 Crossfire99 wrote:
i'll post the simplest explanation here that we have to discuss. There are basically 3 options:
1. Kita is a survivor. He doesn't care who wins as long as he survives until endgame and secures his victory condition which in this case is feeding on the TARDIS.
2. Kita is a SK. He needs to survive until endgame and secure his victory condition which is eliminate every other player in the game.
3. Kita is mafia or a traitor. He wins with mafia.
I know which option seems more likely. I'll be back later to reread stuff. I'm back now. On and off throughout night.
I think Gonzaw's breakdown is better, just cuz it's more general. Although now this 3rd alternative was presented yes (1- kita scum, 2-kita townie survivor, 3-kita antitown 3P) I honestly don't know what kita's role is, or what it might translate to in a strictly normal game (survivor and SK being...roles with understood powers, win cons, etc.).
But yeah, there are options.
On July 02 2013 06:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 06:01 Crossfire99 wrote:
2. Kita is a SK. He needs to survive until endgame and secure his victory condition which is eliminate every other player in the game. I cannot be a Serial Killer. A serial killer cannot win with mafia, yet the mafia win condition is to kill all town. This option is impossible. This is a really black-and-white statement, unsure if it's true. Alliance win-con: kill all anti-town. Church win-con: kill all town. They sound super janky, but you could be a "town-aligned killer" or "anti-town-aligned killer," sort of halfway between SK and survivor (eliminate all of one faction, survive til then). Those sound WEIRD, yes. And yes, I posted a bunch of stuff today, some of which is "This is wrong for survivor," in which case it would be wrong for some of these cases and would make sense in some of these.
Again, I don't think we can 100% transpose the set of rules an SK would follow in a normal game to this one, but a normal SK could not exist in this game, that's true. Either all town or all scum would be eliminated before the SK was the only person alive (him +1 townie or +1 mafia), barring a simultaneous multi-kill. Therefore, he could HAVE that win-con, but it would suck dicks and he could never really achieve it. Unaligned SK almost certainly not an option then.
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I keep spouting off versions of "I don't know what kita is."
But I'm here.
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