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Ok now I'm home and can post with 2 hands.
@Oats you come back and make some kind of sense.
@WoS
with 6 posts you ask Vayne and JJD "if you had to evaluate my play thus far, what would you think?"
Do really you think that they had enough of your play, with 6 posts of yours, to describe your alignment based on your play when you were scum buddies?
To me, this post feels like some kind of friend-making, by saying "hey you know how I play as scum, so you have to know who I am right now". It's a sort of emotional pressure on previous allies; To me this reeks of a red herring.
I don't mind lurker lynches this game, but considering I'm yet to see something from sloosh, raynpelikoneet, and Vivax, I do believe lynching a lurker will provide us with no information at all while giving a free pass for scum. I don't want to lynch a lurker early and have the day go without pressure. Why are you advocating such an early lurker lynch, less than 24 hours into the game, instead of the common "yeah day has gone and we have little info, how about a lurker lynch?" that is more acceptable from a townie perspective?
WoS, why are you scum?
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addendum:
##unvote
##WaveofShadow
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On June 05 2013 01:56 Ace wrote:oh, well of course  I was thinking someone would be like "that claim is bullshit!" then we have to force people to read the OP. Again.
lol, how do you feel about mkfuba strolling into the thread and just choosing something random to quote then peacing out?
I like to to call that illusionary participation unless thats common for him or something
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On June 05 2013 01:57 Zephirdd wrote:
addendum:
##unvote
##WaveofShadow
sigh
##vote WaveofShadow
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What do you guys think of Oats trolling? Just him not giving a shit or scum?
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On June 05 2013 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 01:56 Ace wrote:oh, well of course I was thinking someone would be like "that claim is bullshit!" then we have to force people to read the OP. Again. lol, how do you feel about mkfuba strolling into the thread and just choosing something random to quote then peacing out? I like to to call that illusionary participation unless thats common for him or something
slightly bad but nothing damning at the moment. He could easily have just left the forum after asking.
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On June 05 2013 02:03 Stutters695 wrote:
What do you guys think of Oats trolling? Just him not giving a shit or scum?
I'll give him the benefit of doubt, but he is right up there on "people I want dead" list.
what do you think of WoS play so far?
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He did say pregame that he had a heavy workload and he'd only in if it was Monday or later so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. Definitely worth watching though.
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On June 05 2013 02:03 Stutters695 wrote:
What do you guys think of Oats trolling? Just him not giving a shit or scum?
I was ignoring it on the basis that in some point during the next 48 hours he will call anybody that called him scum for being trolly mafia, and he might stop being trolly at that time.
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Ebwop: zeph sniped me, that was at the fuba question
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Stutters, can you answer your own question? You are voting him (Oats) currently so I assume that you have some reason to think he is more likely to be scum than just a townie not particularly giving a shit.
My thinking is I have no idea on his alignment just yet. Generally though being totally careless of the threads opinion of you is a townie trait, so he has that going for now.
I gotta say I agree with layabout on jaybrundage. His entry into the thread was filled with trepidation
On June 04 2013 09:13 jaybrundage wrote:So im down with the whole claim role thing. But if the scum can also get the roles it doesnt really lead us to any lynches. But i guess the point of it would be transparency and all that jazz. I hate playing with people i never played with before I cant rely on previous experiences  Also if anyone has not played with me I would suggest reading a previous game or two I play rather..... unorthodox (I occasionally be hardcore lynchbait D Kinda all over the place but I always feel like day 1 is just typing shit until someone says something questionable. Then the Rage-arguments take place :D
It looks to me like he is trying to defuse pressure on him before it even happens. 'I can't rely on previous experiences' is a prepackaged excuse to go light on scum hunting. 'I am occasionally lynch bate' is a prepackaged excuse for looking suspicious. It looks extremely self conscious. This point by layabout too is relevent.
On June 04 2013 09:29 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 04 2013 09:19 layabout wrote:On June 04 2013 09:14 jaybrundage wrote:On June 04 2013 08:28 VayneAuthority wrote:+ Show Spoiler +im all in on 31, spin the wheel m'boy.
I have drank heavily on the past night so I am taking a nap this day. Wake me up when the sun sets. I have been drinking so i will not post for a while + Show Spoiler +pointless pressure I'm just trollin' around with the theme, I didn't actually drink today nor yesterday. What is your concern jaybrundage? If you say that you arent going to post, pressuring you for a contribution serves no purpose for a townie
Meaningless pressure. It's a way of looking useful without actually being useful (shit-flinging at somebody who isn't going to be around to take umbrage). This is the direction I want to go. He looks the scummiest of anybody so far.
##vote jaybrundage
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On June 05 2013 02:08 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 02:03 Stutters695 wrote:
What do you guys think of Oats trolling? Just him not giving a shit or scum? I'll give him the benefit of doubt, but he is right up there on "people I want dead" list. what do you think of WoS play so far?
TBH I'm not really sure, his first scum game was very good and I had a town read on him throughout so take this with a grain of salt.
The post you voted him for stood out to me for similar reasons. The red herring part is a good point but it isn't lynchworthy on its own. Last game he played up the never rolled scum angle(he was scum), but he also brought it up with me in LXI (town). I'd like to see his response.
The lurker lynch I could totally understand from him as either alignment. He just played in a lurk heavy game as scum, so if he rolled scum again he could be feigning frustration but if he's town he could be frustrated by how easy it was for them and how scum this game can do the exact same thing.
I don't think he's a good d1 lynch because he is usually active and gives sound reasoning behind his reads. If he doesn't appear more or is doing just enough to not be lynched then we lynch him but he's a bad d1 target imo.
I'd say null.
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On June 05 2013 02:03 Stutters695 wrote:
What do you guys think of Oats trolling? Just him not giving a shit or scum? He certainly doesn't read as town to me. I'd like him to explain if he's just trolling or if he really believes Ace is scum.
Another person I'd like to hear more from is Sentinel. He voted for Vayne simply because he was the only only person he hasn't played w/. I hate crappy reasons like that. It's just as bad as voting random. (also I'm pretty sure I've also never played w/ him but I could be wrong)
Also I like Zephs case against WoS. It's basically what I was trying to say about "What do you think of me?" posts. And the point about him talking about lynching a lurker @ this point makes some sense as well
So I guess these are my top 3 suspects right now.
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What do you think of jaybrundage, JarJar?
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s0l I'll have that for you in a second, its a bit longer so I need to get to my PC and type it up instead of on my phone.
JJD can you read what I said about WoS. Does that change your opinion at all?
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On June 05 2013 02:46 s0Lstice wrote:
What do you think of jaybrundage, JarJar? He's made like 3 posts. None of which looks really scummy to me.
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Ah, discussion created. Excellent.
Let's see if I can't add a little input here.
Regarding Oats: can't read him worth shit. He trolls heavily with brief moments where he appears to be contributing but I honestly can never tell what he's up to. I'd be tempted to policy lynch if I were that sort of person, but I'm not.
Regarding me: it's been almost 24h into the game and every single game I've played in has had WAY more activity than this by this point. You can call it feigning annoyance if you will but the lack of conversation truly bothers me as I am generally a very high activity player. My advocacy for a lurker lynch is combination that frustration and a conversation-starter and as such, mission accomplished. As far as buddying up to previous scum, look into that as much as you feel like, but it was honestly just asking for people's opinions.
Zephirdd, it seems as though you're looking into my play and taking the absolute worst perspective possible without considering the town motivation behind it whatsoever. Would you consider that good scumhunting?
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I'm up ^^
And my quote wasn't something random. I found it strange that vayne thinks this game naturally leads to different playstyles than normal, when I find it (particularly at this point) to be quite straightforward. Sure, our roles will change in the future, but we're still always going to be town vs scum. To me, it looked like he was giving vague excuses for possible future changes in playstyle, when from my own perspective there shouldn't be all that much difference.
I don't know what to make of his response, yet. Telling me "not to worry about it" has made me do just the opposite, though. He seems to be saying that once we have some claims on the board, we're going to mostly focus on those and put reading the thread as a whole second. Again, this conflicts with my perspective. If our roles are going to keep changing, it seems like looking at the big picture will be what catches us scum, since they're always scum, but they're not always doctor/roleblocker/whatever they randomed. In fact, I'd argue that claims will be even less relevant in scumhunting because of this.
In any case, I haven't seen anything I would specifically call scummy so far, just conflicting with my perspective or kind of unusual (I found his response to prplhz's "Why 31?" question really thorough for something that seemed like an offhand comment from both of them). For now I have him down as a person of interest.
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On June 05 2013 03:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ah, discussion created. Excellent.
Let's see if I can't add a little input here.
Regarding Oats: can't read him worth shit. He trolls heavily with brief moments where he appears to be contributing but I honestly can never tell what he's up to. I'd be tempted to policy lynch if I were that sort of person, but I'm not.
Regarding me: it's been almost 24h into the game and every single game I've played in has had WAY more activity than this by this point. You can call it feigning annoyance if you will but the lack of conversation truly bothers me as I am generally a very high activity player. My advocacy for a lurker lynch is combination that frustration and a conversation-starter and as such, mission accomplished. As far as buddying up to previous scum, look into that as much as you feel like, but it was honestly just asking for people's opinions.
Zephirdd, it seems as though you're looking into my play and taking the absolute worst perspective possible without considering the town motivation behind it whatsoever. Would you consider that good scumhunting?
I don't know, its hard to find the townie perspective of your questions. Both the "what do you think of my play" and the lurker lynch consideration were way too early to have a town motivation, when compared to scum motivation for that.
Knowing that there is low activity, and the fact that you don't seem to be bringing new things into the table(low post count =/= lack of content), do you consider yours a good town gameplay so far?
what do you make of s0lstice's case on jaybondage, for example?
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I JUST DELETED MY MASSIVE POST
FUCK MY LIFE
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