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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 04 2013 13:29 GMT
#201
On June 04 2013 22:28 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 11:59 jaybrundage wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2013 09:19 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 09:14 jaybrundage wrote:
On June 04 2013 08:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
im all in on 31, spin the wheel m'boy.

I have drank heavily on the past night so I am taking a nap this day. Wake me up when the sun sets.

I have been drinking so i will not post for a while

+ Show Spoiler +
*pokes with stick*

pointless pressure


Layabout its not even real pressure it seems pretty obvious to me that he was role playing. Havent you ever wanted to poke a drunk with a stick :D

On June 04 2013 09:29 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 04 2013 09:19 layabout wrote:
On June 04 2013 09:14 jaybrundage wrote:
On June 04 2013 08:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
im all in on 31, spin the wheel m'boy.

I have drank heavily on the past night so I am taking a nap this day. Wake me up when the sun sets.

I have been drinking so i will not post for a while

+ Show Spoiler +
*pokes with stick*

pointless pressure



I'm just trollin' around with the theme, I didn't actually drink today nor yesterday. What is your concern jaybrundage?

If you say that you arent going to post, pressuring you for a contribution serves no purpose for a townie


Also i plan to pressure who ever i want for any reason i want or for no reason at all.

I dislike his attitude

You can do better than that.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
June 04 2013 13:54 GMT
#202
On June 04 2013 22:14 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 21:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On June 04 2013 20:36 Zephirdd wrote:
Anyways, now we got two promises of activity: you ans JJD. Isnt that great? It means that if you guys look lurkish, you will look bad, but thats a nobrainer right?
Where did I promise activity? Not saying I'm not gonna be active but I was just wondering where you got this from?

Also, I responded to your accusation about me questioning vayne. Do you still think my question was "loaded" since I explained vaynes day 1 meta?


Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 12:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On June 04 2013 12:15 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 04 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 04 2013 11:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On June 04 2013 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 04 2013 11:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Hot damn. This is the first game where I've either played with everyone on the list or been in a game hosted by them.

Except for Vayne. Never played with Vayne before

OCD tiem

##Vote: VayneAuthority

Or me...?


Could've sworm I played with you before

Narp.
Ok setup spec bores me.
Wat we do till something happens?

I haven't really read the scum qt from Les Mis, was JJD active in there despite his lack of posting in the thread?

Probably since that's generally been my scum gameplan: Lurk as much as I can get away with. Though obviously I'd have to change it up @ some point or I'd be pretty easy to read.

This seems like a wierd thing to bring up. Like u could easily go look @ the QT and find out for yourself. Instead you want someone else to point it out. Especially since a few people in Les Mis mentioned that I had done that exact same thing in my previous scum game.


If your general scum gameplan is to lurk as much as you can, I assume that your general town plan is to NOT lurk as much as you can. It's not really a gray area; either you lurk or you don't. So I assume that you mean that you won't lurk. Or do you mean to say that you won't be active - which means you will lurk? Wouldn't that mean you would follow your general scum gameplan?
OK, I suppose you could read that as a promise of activity. I was really just trying to say that even if I was scum, I'd have to change up my playstyle and not continue to be a lurker.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 04 2013 14:30 GMT
#203
On June 04 2013 22:29 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 22:28 layabout wrote:
On June 04 2013 11:59 jaybrundage wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2013 09:19 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 09:14 jaybrundage wrote:
On June 04 2013 08:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
im all in on 31, spin the wheel m'boy.

I have drank heavily on the past night so I am taking a nap this day. Wake me up when the sun sets.

I have been drinking so i will not post for a while

+ Show Spoiler +
*pokes with stick*

pointless pressure


Layabout its not even real pressure it seems pretty obvious to me that he was role playing. Havent you ever wanted to poke a drunk with a stick :D

On June 04 2013 09:29 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 04 2013 09:19 layabout wrote:
On June 04 2013 09:14 jaybrundage wrote:
On June 04 2013 08:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
im all in on 31, spin the wheel m'boy.

I have drank heavily on the past night so I am taking a nap this day. Wake me up when the sun sets.

I have been drinking so i will not post for a while

+ Show Spoiler +
*pokes with stick*

pointless pressure



I'm just trollin' around with the theme, I didn't actually drink today nor yesterday. What is your concern jaybrundage?

If you say that you arent going to post, pressuring you for a contribution serves no purpose for a townie


Also i plan to pressure who ever i want for any reason i want or for no reason at all.

I dislike his attitude

You can do better than that.
So far jaybrundage has agreed with claiming (which we are treating as a no-brainer), he has posted general advice, joked around and then said he doesn't need reasons to justify his actions. It's empty and unhelpful.

I don't see anybody that looks worse. Vayneauthority said he would do stuff and didn't but it's not been a long time since then.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 04 2013 14:34 GMT
#204
On June 04 2013 23:30 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 22:29 prplhz wrote:
On June 04 2013 22:28 layabout wrote:
On June 04 2013 11:59 jaybrundage wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2013 09:19 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 09:14 jaybrundage wrote:
On June 04 2013 08:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
im all in on 31, spin the wheel m'boy.

I have drank heavily on the past night so I am taking a nap this day. Wake me up when the sun sets.

I have been drinking so i will not post for a while

+ Show Spoiler +
*pokes with stick*

pointless pressure


Layabout its not even real pressure it seems pretty obvious to me that he was role playing. Havent you ever wanted to poke a drunk with a stick :D

On June 04 2013 09:29 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 04 2013 09:19 layabout wrote:
On June 04 2013 09:14 jaybrundage wrote:
On June 04 2013 08:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
im all in on 31, spin the wheel m'boy.

I have drank heavily on the past night so I am taking a nap this day. Wake me up when the sun sets.

I have been drinking so i will not post for a while

+ Show Spoiler +
*pokes with stick*

pointless pressure



I'm just trollin' around with the theme, I didn't actually drink today nor yesterday. What is your concern jaybrundage?

If you say that you arent going to post, pressuring you for a contribution serves no purpose for a townie


Also i plan to pressure who ever i want for any reason i want or for no reason at all.

I dislike his attitude

You can do better than that.
So far jaybrundage has agreed with claiming (which we are treating as a no-brainer), he has posted general advice, joked around and then said he doesn't need reasons to justify his actions. It's empty and unhelpful.

I don't see anybody that looks worse. Vayneauthority said he would do stuff and didn't but it's not been a long time since then.

layabout, why are you scum?
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 04 2013 14:38 GMT
#205
I may advocate a lurker lynch today. I am aware that people (ie Vivax) have stated their activity may be low but everybody can't be excused. I would not be surprised in the least if 1 or 2 scum are hiding thus far since there has been essentially no reason to post yet. Activity is shit so far and there is nothing useful to talk about yet; as far as I can tell people who have planted their votes have done so with mostly minimal reasoning and if the intent was to generate discussion, well it hasn't really.

Sorry to be a downer but I both love and hate D1 and this game has me leaning towards the hate side, strongly.

Sloosh, is your lurking indicative of you being scum, ie Carnival Cruise?

Rayn, where you at?

JJD having just played scum with me, if you had to evaluate my play thus far, what would you think?
Vayne you can answer as well.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
June 04 2013 14:47 GMT
#206
On June 04 2013 23:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
JJD having just played scum with me, if you had to evaluate my play thus far, what would you think?
Vayne you can answer as well.
Null so far I guess. Though this post itself I'm not crazy about. Whenever I see someone say "What do you think of me?" I read it as them just trying to go out of their way to prove they have nothing to hide.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 04 2013 15:15 GMT
#207
##vote WaveofShadow
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 04 2013 15:17 GMT
#208
Ace tooots scum.
Guys.

Guys
##Vote Ace
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 04 2013 15:20 GMT
#209
ACE WTF Y U VOTE ME IM NOT SCUM RRRAARGRAHGAHRGH

Actually, though, got anything interesting to contribute?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 04 2013 15:28 GMT
#210
not yet. Game seems so blase' right now
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 04 2013 15:41 GMT
#211
On June 05 2013 00:28 Ace wrote:
not yet. Game seems so blasé right now

Fixed that for you.

If the game continued as is, would you be content with a lurker lynch or would you rather attempt to lynch from those who have contributed so far?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 04 2013 16:02 GMT
#212
On June 04 2013 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
I havent really read through the thread all that specifically yet.

I think random voting is horribly inaccurate and you should never do it.

I'm awake and caught up on the like fifteen posts.

Seriously, what are you doing at all then? Care to contribute?


##Vote: Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 04 2013 16:03 GMT
#213
On June 05 2013 01:02 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
I havent really read through the thread all that specifically yet.

I think random voting is horribly inaccurate and you should never do it.

I'm awake and caught up on the like fifteen posts.

Seriously, what are you doing at all then? Care to contribute?


##Vote: Oatsmaster

Im voting people
Butthurt I called you scum? Yeah. yeahh
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 04 2013 16:15 GMT
#214
Im going to sleep,
My vote will be on scum.
So just sheep me alright?
No gg, No skill.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 04 2013 16:26 GMT
#215
Vote Count - Roughly 30.5 hours remaining:
VayneAuthority (1): [UoN]Sentinel
Ace (1): Zephirdd, Oatsmaster
JarJarDrinks (1): Zephirdd
Zephirdd (1): prplhz, Oatsmaster
jaybrundage (1): layabout
WaveOfShadow (1): Ace
Oatsmaster (1): Stutters695
prplhz (0): Oatsmaster
Not voted (9): WaveofShadow, Vivax, VayneAuthority, jaybrundage, JarJarDinks, s0Lstice, slOosh, mkfuba07, raynpelikoneet
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 04 2013 16:27 GMT
#216
On June 04 2013 13:00 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 11:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 04 2013 11:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
sup y'all. I'll go ahead and agree w/ the claim all roles during the day plan.


@vayne - do u have any response to these?

On June 04 2013 09:25 s0Lstice wrote:
He's from mafiascum if you remember. To those that haven't played with vayne, he doesn't dive filters as his bread and butter as is typical around here. He is more into tapping the current flow of the thread and NK analysis.
On June 04 2013 09:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 04 2013 09:20 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 04 2013 08:59 s0Lstice wrote:
I think he is saying he doesn't do much on day 1 and wants to see a flip before he puts work in?

Yeah that makes sense, same thing he did in les although he was scum there. I need to check if he does that every game.

He does (or at least says he does) in pretty much every game yeah.
Alignment null.
Vayne I hope you ARE scum this game so I can have the pleasure of fitting your head in a noose.

Are you still planning on playing the same way you have in your previous games? Especially in regards to day 1?


Guess you'll just have to find out. Meta can suck it. This isn't a normal setup anyway so I don't see why it matters. Of course I am gong to be playing way differently

What aspect of this game makes you feel like you'll naturally be playing way differently?


Well for one, your role isnt going to consistent and people are going to have to claim things, so that is going to dictate the flow of the game mostly rather than who says what once we get going. Going to have to discern motive from why or why not people are claiming certain roles and how they react to others claiming said roles. Don't worry about it.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 04 2013 16:29 GMT
#217
On June 04 2013 23:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I may advocate a lurker lynch today. I am aware that people (ie Vivax) have stated their activity may be low but everybody can't be excused. I would not be surprised in the least if 1 or 2 scum are hiding thus far since there has been essentially no reason to post yet. Activity is shit so far and there is nothing useful to talk about yet; as far as I can tell people who have planted their votes have done so with mostly minimal reasoning and if the intent was to generate discussion, well it hasn't really.

Sorry to be a downer but I both love and hate D1 and this game has me leaning towards the hate side, strongly.

Sloosh, is your lurking indicative of you being scum, ie Carnival Cruise?

Rayn, where you at?

JJD having just played scum with me, if you had to evaluate my play thus far, what would you think?
Vayne you can answer as well.


Don't really care for meta, guess you'll just have to find out once the start actually starts rolling
I come in for the scraps
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 04 2013 16:51 GMT
#218
Every claim is going to be taken at face value anyway so there won't be anything to base off reactions.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 04 2013 16:54 GMT
#219
On June 05 2013 01:51 Ace wrote:
Every claim is going to be taken at face value anyway so there won't be anything to base off reactions.


That's true but I still think the comments people make will divulge a lot of information if we read carefully
I come in for the scraps
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 04 2013 16:56 GMT
#220
oh, well of course

I was thinking someone would be like "that claim is bullshit!" then we have to force people to read the OP. Again.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
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