Carnival Cruise Mafia - Page 72

On May 17 2013 16:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Shiro is literally just following along with town sentiment. He hasn't done ANYTHING today - literally nothing but vote.

But something about it. Like look at this post:

Would scum SAY THIS? Like, let's remove all variables from the equation - don't factor in that he has a team - don't factor in that he's a "newbie" - just think of this from a scum-aligned standpoint. Can you think of a reason to EVER just come out and say "I just like to agree with the towniest guy there is."

UGH but his filter is SOOOOO BAD.

##Summon: Promethelax
##Summon: Blazinghand
##Summon: slOosh

You three. You three will immediately give me your opinion of shirokami. You will do this thing or you will NEVER regain your honor! Based on the observation I just made, I think town. I think new town in over his head. But I want backup on this one.

On May 18 2013 04:48 slOosh wrote:

His whole filter supports his playstyle mentality -> consistency.

On May 18 2013 04:42 HiroPro wrote:
i'm not really going to defend myself beyond this as I have limited time and we need a correct lynch today, so I'd rather spend my time thinking about who to lynch.

the one-liners that viscera has a problem with: I pointed out shirokami because I thought he was going unnoticed, he was reasonably active but hadn't said a single thing that I would consider useful or particularly alignment-indicative and almost no one had mentioned his name. essentially, he was hiding in plain sight. viscera's push on vayne struck me as odd at that point since he hadn't really offered up much of a reason to vote for vayne and was the only person voting for vayne yet somehow still wasn't willing to change targets. I asked strongandbig what he thought about lynching obviousone since we needed more people in order to get a lynch and he hadn't said anything about him.

the point about town/scum brushing off points against them. I'm not talking about someone ignoring something said about them, I'm well aware that townies often do this. What struck me as odd about obviousone was that he seemed slightly nervous when people said things about him and made it a point to try to turn it into a joke (which I felt also seemed kind of forced), but didn't actually do anything to assuage those concerns. Generally speaking, I would expect most town players to either outright ignore something or try to respond meaningfully.

the post I made about vivax: I never said that I found vivax suspicious for "provided his own reasoning for being on WoS, and it's a perfectly townie response to think that people who agree with you are town.". What I found odd was that vivax's major reason for voting for WaveOfShadow wasn't that he came to the conclusion on his own: it was that BH was confident in WoS being mafia (and Vivax never indicated much of a town read on BH and instead seemed to imply that his read on BH would depend on what WoS flipped).

to be perfectly honest, I don't actually see why people think that Viscera is town all of a sudden. I don't think any of the posts he's made since are particularly townie; they just simply show that he's devoting a little more time into the game than before.

But I'm more interested in lynching someone else anyway, so it doesn't really matter too much. I'll try to explain in my next post why you should lynch this person.

On May 18 2013 04:50 VisceraEyes wrote:


That's not an opinion. That's an observation. WHAT DOES IT MEEEEEEEAN?!?!?

On May 18 2013 05:05 slOosh wrote:

Scum are more likely to flip-flop and take disparate / contradictory stances over time as they have a personal interest in not bringing unwanted suspicion / attention on teammates. For him to be consistent and scum means that town is so lost that he can freely give his votes away without fear of it hitting a teammate from the start of the game - which I find to be on par with the "bus all my teammates, ride town cred into victory" strategy.

On May 18 2013 05:09 VisceraEyes wrote:


Okay - and again, we haven't flipped a scum yet. You just made more observations without giving a conclusion in the slightest. Do you think he's town based on his consistency? Or do you think he's scum based on the apparent direction town is heading? That I've had to ask you this three times now....well it'd be an understatement to say that it surprises me.

On May 17 2013 19:26 prplhz wrote:
Hey ObviousOne what do you think of my case since you seemed interested when I said I'd make it.

On May 18 2013 05:24 slOosh wrote:

I think he is town and if he is scum he is playing for town. Is that clear enough?

On May 18 2013 05:32 HiroPro wrote:
I think BH is mafia for 2 reasons: the first being that he has avoided any discussion of the major lynches of today and the second being that he seems very willing to overblow minor issues.

If you look at day 2, what have been the major lynches of the day? The first is the push onto VisceraEyes and the second is the lynch attempt on me. Almost every player has either made a vote onto one of these lynches or voiced their opinions about the two of us. Blazinghand though has been active during this time period, has been asked numerous times to comment on what he thinks of me, yet hasn't made a single comment on whether VisceraEyes or myself are mafia/town. I can't think of a single town reason to avoid this issue, yet I can think of several reasons that a mafia player might do this: he doesn't want to offer up opinions because he's afraid of being wrong or defending a teammate, he would rather see another no-lynch as people are unable to consolidate, he's waiting to see which person will be lynched and then jump on at the last second.

My next problem with Blazinghand is that he seems willing to ignore the major events that occur around him and instead focuses on relatively minor things. Discarding the "10/10" WaveOfShadow lynch for ObviousOne because he martyred and then later indicated that he was willing to live is a small example. The bigger one though is what has happened today between himself and prplhz. Depending on what the KP formula is, we're looking at a MYLO/LYLO situation here. Every town player should be trying to find the best possible lynch. Yet Blazinghand has seemingly decided to go after prplhz on psuedo-policy reasons. This comment in particular seems completely off: "Show me where he does this as scum OR tell me you have a red check on him OR tell me this is a policy lynch." Why on earth would prplhz saying that he's policy lynching kushm4sta make it an acceptable push when BH apparently feels that no case on kushm4sta is acceptable without showing that he does that behavior as mafia? This isn't day 1, we're not in a situation where policy lynches are feasible or good, so why would Blazinghand be ok with that as town? The simple answer is that Blazinghand has an easy reason to vote for someone as mafia. This isn't even considering the fact that declaring that someone can only be lynched if you can prove that they've done this exact same thing as mafia before is a completely ludicrous statement.

I think BH has the best chance of flipping mafia today, so everyone should vote for him.

##Unvote
##Vote Blazinghand

On May 18 2013 05:36 WaveofShadow wrote:

I could see this as scum-in-the-death-throes WIFOM bomb. I'm not a fan of pre-flip associations but I don't see anything in here than precludes both Hiro and BH from being scum together. Whatever still not voting BH today. I will get to him.

On May 18 2013 05:53 Blazinghand wrote:
i like how you think that anything but voting prplhz wos or OO is a legit thing today