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WaveofShadow
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kushm4sta
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WaveofShadow
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Early suspicion on me based on meta. Seems to be an expert in meta reading and says I'm more confrontational than he's seen me (which is probably true) though I would argue that I was most confrontational well after this accusation was seemingly left behind. He says he's read my games--- I'd say I was pretty damn confrontational in [REDACTED] but again I guess that's all subjective. Can't really call this reaching, though I wonder about this: On May 13 2013 05:35 Promethelax wrote: WoS, that is dumb and you know it. Past statistics have nothing to do with this game. Why respond to that accusation which has no content or reasoning? Kita: why WoS? The 'past statistics' thing is something I do commonly, sort of as something to minimally back up what I'm saying. I explained it to Oats earlier regarding the 'Vivax being good at blue' thing. I suppose when I use it regarding myself I expect people to be able to see what I see in my play which doesn't make much sense but whatever. Seems a really easy point to bring up against me; it's done early game and if Prom's suspicion is genuine then I can't fault him for it I suppose. I still don't agree with his Oats=town reasoning as he basically takes the vig DP kill assumption and goes from there. Oh wait a minute...we lost our vig already (I suppose it's possible for there to be another? I don't know balance) and it was likely that Vayne was the one shot. I suppose that doesn't mean anything for Oats' assumption at that point in the game but I need to keep that in mind when looking at Oats in the future. Prom when/if you read this I suggest you do, too because you said yourself he had been playing scummy. On May 15 2013 00:30 Promethelax wrote: Yeah WoS was made out of town in that game. I think though that the dissonance we're seeing comes from no longer being a newbie. When you think of yourself as bad and offer yourself up to die its one thing but WoS has been around long enough to get an ego about mafia. We all do eventually. That ego explains a lot... I don't see WoS being scum based on that. Actually its a point more towards the town side of things as I can understand his play if I assume he has gained the ego of bh in the last few months. If WoS is being an egotistical maniac his angry play makes a lot of sense. Look at recent Yamato rage or something similar. This is starting to read as the reaction of someone who thinks they are better than those accusing them simply because those people are accusing them. WoS you hostile little fuck, I think you might be town. Work with me if you are so that I can be sure of that. Stop fighting for the sake of fighting and look for scum. If you think Oats is scum convince me. Or if its someone else convince me. Your reads are scary good bro. Like...actually. A read like this though is probably easier to come up with from a scum perspective, though since you already know I'm town and can work from there, so it's basically, do I believe you're hella smart, or scum? Honestly....probably going with hella smart. I've seen your scum game and it wasn't anything like this. Conclusion: Town Questions: Prom updated thoughts on OO/Oats? You seem to flip-flop back and forth a lot on them in your filter and can't make up your mind. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On May 17 2013 23:04 Promethelax wrote: Your assessment matches mine. ## unvote I'm liking the Play from VE today and hiro scum slipped. Points to the first person to find it. ##vote: hiropro ooooo I wanna find it! I'll do my BH read after, first i'ma do Hiro. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Lays down weak suspicion on OO and absolutely ZERO followup to it whatsoever. A bunch of questions that go absolutely nowhere. On May 15 2013 09:43 HiroPro wrote: I don't see a lynch happening today and I won't be voting for either wave or vayne. might be around later to see if something changes. I am aware this isn't a scumslip but why was he the only one who figured this was going to happen wayyy in advance? Honestly I think the reason he knew is because he knew the two people who were going to be modkilled were town so scum had control over the votes that day. (Alternative the no-lynch could be an attempt to frame him but that's a HUGE stretch imo) On May 17 2013 09:00 HiroPro wrote: to be honest, this game is kind of silly. i still haven't gone through viscera's posts but we literally cannot win (since we won't be able to get lynches) unless one of chaoser/bill/sinani is mafia. Again, look at that. Moving on.... The most effort Hiro has put into the game thus far is a defense of himself. Not great. Thros suspicion on VIvax which I somewhat agreed with earlier but Vivax clearly had ulterior motives as shown by the fact that he didn't flat-out kill me. And then of course the fact that he flipped town makes Hiro look worse. Again, frame attempt or just scum being outed? I lean towards the second; Hiro just hasn't put in enough effort to push for any lynches at all. On May 17 2013 09:31 HiroPro wrote: w/e, i'll just hope for some luck in that regard. Voting for Viscera because: - the early WaveOfShadow vote looks artificial ("Abnormally high ratio of gif/pics"), this has nothing to do with alignment - he constantly emphasizes early on that Obvious is lurky and lacks skill as mafia and then somehow reaches the conclusion that it's entirely possible for obvious to be a good mafia player. - The assertion that the townie thing for obvious to do was to self-vote and suicide is complete nonsense and seems made up. ##Vote VisceraEyes These reasons to vote VE just seem terrible to me. I'm not seing a scumslip but I feel like it's in here somewhere and I don't think I can go more in depth than this right now. Either way I'm pretty sure I'd be comfortable voting Hiro today, but ideally I'd like for him to come back and do something just to see first. I also want to read into BH before I vote (not that I really would want to push BH today because it's just going to start another shitstorm with him and distract the thread). | ||
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WaveofShadow
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strongandbig
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Blazinghand
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strongandbig
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On May 18 2013 00:36 WaveofShadow wrote: SnB, who is scum? - one (or both) of oats and OO, most likely oats imo (for reasons look earlier in my filter) - I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that shirokami is town. Like, if he just wasn't posting at all, that's one thing; but he has a three page filter, without actually having said much of anything. I have a three page filter, three pages is plenty of attention to the thread to have made an impact. He hasn't. - Still think there's a chance of VE being scum, but he's sounding a lot more town than he was before. For my full thoughts on VE, there's a big post from me up above in the thread. - okay now we come to the hiropro question. give me a few minutes to figure out where i stand on that one and read his filter and stuff. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On May 18 2013 00:34 prplhz wrote: LOL are you kidding me? This isn't a meta case, this is me saying that kushm4sta's early game doesn't look like his town game and contains general traits that are indisputably scummy AND he has been caught in a straight up lie that no townie would ever do. No I'm not going to make this into a pure meta case because you vote me. Jesus christ. Seriously look at it: "Kush hasn't written as much about others as he has in one or two town games. So what?!" So what?! So that's a pretty good sign that something might be up. Can anybody tell BlazingHand that he's being completely ludicrous. you clearly don't understnad hwat i'm tlaking about and haven't been reading the thread. You say he's indisputably scummy and has been lying like no townie would ever do but that straight up is NOT GOOD ENOUG. literally every game this happens with kush. he plays like scum, people say "herp depr kush is scum" and then lynch him and he flips town. Unless you show me he's doing something he does as scum, you are bad. every game kush plays he is objectivly scummy. you need to do better. You need a check, a policy lynch, or a LEGIT meta case, or you're clearly scum looking for low hanging fruit of kush mislynch or town who's so bad he can't be allowed to live | ||
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strongandbig
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On May 18 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote: - one (or both) of oats and OO, most likely oats imo (for reasons look earlier in my filter) - I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that shirokami is town. Like, if he just wasn't posting at all, that's one thing; but he has a three page filter, without actually having said much of anything. I have a three page filter, three pages is plenty of attention to the thread to have made an impact. He hasn't. - Still think there's a chance of VE being scum, but he's sounding a lot more town than he was before. For my full thoughts on VE, there's a big post from me up above in the thread. - okay now we come to the hiropro question. give me a few minutes to figure out where i stand on that one and read his filter and stuff. So on hiro First, I find VE's original case only moderately convincing. Summarizing his points with my comments: - Hiro asks a lot of questions that don't help find scum --- that's true, and there is a scum motivation for doing this, but chaoser was doing the same thing and flipped town; this could be a townie trying and failing to be a 'leader' type - Hiro is wrong about some theory (whether scum or town explain their actions) --- okay whatever not a scum tell unless you can connect it to scum motivated behavior. - Hiro's case on vivax was poorly reasoned --- okay also true but not necessarily a scum tell So from VE's original case we have some circumstantial evidence or scummy behavior, but nothing really strong. I actually like Sloosh's point here a lot better: On May 17 2013 14:49 slOosh wrote: I also agree with his lynch choice of HiroPro. He fits the Day 1 heuristic very tightly. The core of his day 1 play revolved around ObviousOne, but totally drops it with no explanation, and picks up the new thread sentiment of VE, and the rest of his posts seemed more concerned with mechanics explanations, but not with the intent of finding scum. these are much stronger reasons to suspect someone. - mechanics focus is a great way for scum to hide - following thread sentiment. we all know the point here. Then we've got VE's NK analysis about the Vivax death. not conclusive, not even very strong on its own, but the logic is valid. So this adds another piece of 'circumstantial evidence' to the puzzle. Then we've got WoS attacking hiro's vote post on VE. This is also a decent point - his vote post is just rehashing stuff other people said (specifically prome) AND he raises three bullet points of which none are strongly attached to scum motivation. Another piece of the puzzle. So what we have here is a preponderance of circumstantial evidence. I guess the best point, imo, is the one sloosh raises about the weird change in orientation. All of that taken together, I am willing to ##vote: hiropro | ||
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strongandbig
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On May 17 2013 20:49 strongandbig wrote: Hummm. I'll read all this stuff About hero when I get into work in a few hours but what I want to know now is from VE what do you think about my speculation on the obvious one/oatsmaster split? I still think it's really likely that one of them is scum, I mean I guess I can kind of see the argument some people have been putting forward about why I know Lynch helps them but I still think I missed lunch on day one helps more there's plenty of people they could've been pushing after a myslynch. It's not like 00 has been the main focus of today anyway and so I still think it's pretty likely that either one or the other is scum, for the reasons I talked about above. still waiting on this. although i guess ve hasn't really been around since the first time i posted this. | ||
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kushm4sta
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grush57
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Also S&B is scum for similar reasons, and him keep bringing up excuses to leave the thread. Prphlz is also scum for similar reasons, plus trying to put a bandwagon on kush that is easily mislynchable because he seems scum, he flips town and prphlz all be like " he was scummy". Can't let that happen. BAM 3 SCUM CAUGHT STARSENSES STARSENSES STARSENSES STARSENSES STARSENSES STARSENSES STARSENSES ##Vote: HiroPro | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Day 2 wagoons With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. ObviousOne[L-7]: WaveofShadow[L-7]: Oatsmaster[L-7]: VisceraEyes[L-6]: HiroPro[L-2]: VisceraEyes, kushmasta, Promethelax, strongandbig, grush57 kushmasta[L-6]: prplhz prplhz[L-6]: Blazinghand Day 2 ends Saturday, May 18 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) if no majority is reached Due to majority being shortened by 2 votes, there is a 18 hour grace period where no matter what the votes no one can be lynched. Basically 6 hours before deadline ((==22:00 GMT (+00:00)))is the fastest anyone can die. This is to give everyone ample time to read the thread and change votes if they want due to the new threshold. Good luck! | ||
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strongandbig
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grush57
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JUST BE A TOWN CHAMP S&B. We are lynching Hiro today anyways so you got some time bro  | ||
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WaveofShadow
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slOosh
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On May 17 2013 15:02 Oatsmaster wrote: You played with me in nomination. Did you get the same feel here as in there? Or since you think im scum, whats different? Also why steal my vote if Im scum? Im pretty sure I took plenty of obvious stands that wouldve been accompanied by a vote if I had one. Im pretty sure I did actually vote for people even if It didnt count. Can you quote the portions where you think I am more interested in the flip than scumhunting? Nomination was far from a normal game. All I remember from that game is that you couldn't trust me and toward the end I had to kill myself for you to trust me. None of my points are meta. I explain in the post you quote why there is ample reason for scum to steal their own vote. Your day 1 stances don't mean much since you move on to a totally new batch of new suspects day 2. As for the last point, I don't know how to quote attitude and tone. I think you are lackadaisical in your approach to lynches and NKs, which is at total odds with the current condition that we are in. So Oats, can you provide original content on any of your day 1 suspects, or even the current day 2 suspects? | ||
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