TL Mafia LXI - Page 127

On April 28 2013 14:29 ObviousOne wrote:

dat delurk

On April 28 2013 14:29 getmoript wrote:
Ok, why did you think my point was bad?

On April 28 2013 14:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Except OO that last point....he was right about that and I remember reading that. Going to go have a re-look at the context.

On April 27 2013 08:11 Ace wrote:


He's got limited time. We may be wrong in saying he didn't read the thread at all, but I agree he hasn't been reading it well enough. He did admit to sheeping Palmar like you asked. This sounds like a difference of what degree did ShiaoPi actually read the thread causing an argument. I think it's now clear he read it a little and sheeped his Town read and hero Palmar.



huh? I'm not using Vivax to lynch Clarity. How is that even possible when I made it clear Sharrant's case is partly what I'm basing it off of. Vivax's original statement plus the Oats wagon is what originally led to ShiaoPi. You're confusing the two.

The Vote Count Analysis isn't solely what's making me change. I'm going to try and make this clear once more:

First thread of thought
We have a voting wagon of a Town player making a case on another Town player. We know this because they are both dead and confirmed Town. Clear opportunity for Scum to jump on the wagon - this is where ShiaoPi comes in. When Vivax dies, he is hit on two different threads since Vivax, a confirmed Town player calls him out. Note this doesn't make Vivax's accusation correct - just free from Scum bias. Hold this as the first thread of thought in your head.

We get to our current point today. I compare the current Shiao wagon with the original wagon on Oats. I notice there is a large overlap of similar names. For Shiao to be scum TWO things have to happen: majority of the overlap between Oats wagon AND Shiao's would have to be Town. That is a rare possibility in my eyes. When taken in context with the Clarity wagon we see unique voters on his wagon. I don't think all 3 of these things can happen coincidentally. Now hold this as the first thread in your head. Even if you think this doesn't absolve ShiaoPi as scum, and it shouldn't, when added together with other threads of thought it does.

Second thread of thought

ShiaPi not reading, or barely reading vs Clarity doing the same. The difference here is that Clarity got caught by Sharrant solidly for just looking at buzz words, skimming the thread and coming up with anything. He called out a policy lynch scenario that didn't even happen. ShiaoPi shows up and tells us he doesn't have much time, and is sheeping Palmar. Clearly, he isn't reading much but this IS possible from a town p.o.v.. This is the second thread, hold this in your head.

Third thread of thought

So now we go back to ShiaoPi's wagon and assume he is Scum. That means if he dies and flips Town a whole host of people are in trouble. But we aren't lynching for information so the next best case is to look at Scum ShiaoPi from a voting aspect. He shows up, isn't reading the thread much. He votes for you VE, and NOT Clarity. The only other real suspect on the block. Even if he is Scum and not reading - how could his Scum team let that happen? they would be incredibly dumb and lazy to do so. Why go after you, a guy who has no real wagon on him and not save his own ass? It doesn't add up if he is Scum. The only explanation is him being Town and not reading enough to know whats going on, or he and clarity are Scum. If the latter case is true then the Scum team would be making an effort to push someone else. No one else is being pushed well from what I can see. If there is point it out to me. We also give you credit for calling tube out, and he did the same. This is the third thread.


When you take all 3 seperately there are indeed arguments to be made that ShiaoPi is Town. There are also arguments that could show him Scum - mainly Vivax's accusation and his non-reading ways to sheepville. But Vivax isn't proven to be correct and sheeping isn't a scum only trait. Sharran't case looks much stronger now and ShiaoPi's weaker.

On April 28 2013 14:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ohai Geript.
Here's an opportunity you were asking for earlier in the game. Do you think I'm scum based on occurrences earlier in the thread?

Also anything updated on Shiao or Giygas?

On April 28 2013 14:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ohai Geript.
Here's an opportunity you were asking for earlier in the game. Do you think I'm scum based on occurrences earlier in the thread?

On April 28 2013 14:35 getmoript wrote:
Nah, Rayn was right about me misreading Giygas post. I still want Giygas to die for being a blender. I still want Shiao dead because Vivax case was good and Vivax died and people have fucking forgotten about that shit.

On April 28 2013 14:35 getmoript wrote:
Nah, Rayn was right about me misreading Giygas post. I still want Giygas to die for being a blender. I still want Shiao dead because Vivax case was good and Vivax died and people have fucking forgotten about that shit.

On April 28 2013 14:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If you think ShiaoPi is scum i want to ask you the question i have asked from many other people. Why do you think scum did sacrifice their vigilante over Shiao, and why didn't they push a conter-case on a townie at any point of D2?

On April 28 2013 14:37 getmoript wrote:

Sorry I missed this question, could you clarify what you mean exactly?

On April 28 2013 14:36 getmoript wrote:
@Ace: Let's assume for a second that there are 3 active scum left. Who then has been dissuading discussion? Who has actively been inserting new shit preventing us from getting reads on people? Where are the active disruptive scum?

On April 28 2013 14:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

geript, you too. Why do you think scum did sacrifice their vigilante over Shiao, and why didn't they push a conter-case on a townie at any point of D2?

On April 28 2013 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If you call this a case i'm going to laugh at you. You are calling VE mafia because you didn't answer to BC and he put pressure on you and wanted you to answer. VE never even voted for you on D2. Way to go bro.

On April 28 2013 14:29 Ace wrote:
yamato clearly wants a vigi shot to the face, so someone just end him. I'm gonna go do something productive like look for gif meems to spam once yamato has died and flipped Scum. GN peoples.

On April 28 2013 14:43 yamato77 wrote:

THIS IS WHAT ACE RESORTS TO, PEOPLE

NOT ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO MY POINTS,

BUT THIS

REMEMBER, IF I DIE, THAT HE IS MAFIA

On April 28 2013 14:38 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'm not sure Shiao is scum. If he isn't he's terrible town. I'm just trying to find out what other people think of him now and whether or not Clarity's flip precludes Shiao of being scum. I'm not sure it does, but it does make me doubt my read. How exactly did scum sacrifice their vig over Shiao by the way? There are so many strong players in this game who are likely town I don't think scum had any real control over the lynch. Where are tube's/Clarity's influence over the lynch D1?