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On March 13 2013 20:49 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 15:25 bduddy wrote:On March 13 2013 15:18 Krafla wrote:
Morning guys, just woken up and about to head to work, but just to let you know I was role blocked again tonight. Really? So the mafia blocked you without even knowing if you still had a shot or not? I'm not buying it. Who did you target and why? Did you breadcrumb, and why did you not night-post like last night? Considering that we supposedly are supposed to know all the possible roles, is it really necessary that you hide important mechanics about how they work? If someone was willing to claim as a cop its a huge liability for mafia to let them actually get their investi off. I think its better this way IMO. I think the only reason Krafia would have gotten blocked AGAIN is because it was mentioned they would have to ask him for how it works... and he went out of his way to pretend that line of questioning never existed. That being said, this makes me start to grow wary of Omni again. Omni was pushing after the perfect night of life livingness that our blue roles should reveal themselves so we can know what to think of the night, which would give him a nice pretty list of easy targets. Hes also the one that wanted to know the most how the one shot cop would work. I also can't help but feel he kind of manipulated our jail keeper. I was RBed last night, which I'm willing to take as me being saved over WoS.... and Omni basically told WoS that jailkeeper was an idiot for choosing WoS over me, so last night the Jailkeeper followed that logic and WoS got run over.
Interesting thoughts on Omni here TRN.
Assuming it was a JK that saved you and WoS and a mafia RB that blocked me presumably now I am going to be perpetually RB'd or just outright shot at night?
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On March 13 2013 21:15 Krafla wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 20:49 TheRavensName wrote:On March 13 2013 15:25 bduddy wrote:On March 13 2013 15:18 Krafla wrote:
Morning guys, just woken up and about to head to work, but just to let you know I was role blocked again tonight. Really? So the mafia blocked you without even knowing if you still had a shot or not? I'm not buying it. Who did you target and why? Did you breadcrumb, and why did you not night-post like last night? Considering that we supposedly are supposed to know all the possible roles, is it really necessary that you hide important mechanics about how they work? If someone was willing to claim as a cop its a huge liability for mafia to let them actually get their investi off. I think its better this way IMO. I think the only reason Krafia would have gotten blocked AGAIN is because it was mentioned they would have to ask him for how it works... and he went out of his way to pretend that line of questioning never existed. That being said, this makes me start to grow wary of Omni again. Omni was pushing after the perfect night of life livingness that our blue roles should reveal themselves so we can know what to think of the night, which would give him a nice pretty list of easy targets. Hes also the one that wanted to know the most how the one shot cop would work. I also can't help but feel he kind of manipulated our jail keeper. I was RBed last night, which I'm willing to take as me being saved over WoS.... and Omni basically told WoS that jailkeeper was an idiot for choosing WoS over me, so last night the Jailkeeper followed that logic and WoS got run over. Interesting thoughts on Omni here TRN. Assuming it was a JK that saved you and WoS and a mafia RB that blocked me presumably now I am going to be perpetually RB'd or just outright shot at night?
Well considering plenty of people are still skeptical of you, or were before this, I dunno.
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On March 13 2013 21:19 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 21:15 Krafla wrote:On March 13 2013 20:49 TheRavensName wrote:On March 13 2013 15:25 bduddy wrote:On March 13 2013 15:18 Krafla wrote:
Morning guys, just woken up and about to head to work, but just to let you know I was role blocked again tonight. Really? So the mafia blocked you without even knowing if you still had a shot or not? I'm not buying it. Who did you target and why? Did you breadcrumb, and why did you not night-post like last night? Considering that we supposedly are supposed to know all the possible roles, is it really necessary that you hide important mechanics about how they work? If someone was willing to claim as a cop its a huge liability for mafia to let them actually get their investi off. I think its better this way IMO. I think the only reason Krafia would have gotten blocked AGAIN is because it was mentioned they would have to ask him for how it works... and he went out of his way to pretend that line of questioning never existed. That being said, this makes me start to grow wary of Omni again. Omni was pushing after the perfect night of life livingness that our blue roles should reveal themselves so we can know what to think of the night, which would give him a nice pretty list of easy targets. Hes also the one that wanted to know the most how the one shot cop would work. I also can't help but feel he kind of manipulated our jail keeper. I was RBed last night, which I'm willing to take as me being saved over WoS.... and Omni basically told WoS that jailkeeper was an idiot for choosing WoS over me, so last night the Jailkeeper followed that logic and WoS got run over. Interesting thoughts on Omni here TRN. Assuming it was a JK that saved you and WoS and a mafia RB that blocked me presumably now I am going to be perpetually RB'd or just outright shot at night? Well considering plenty of people are still skeptical of you, or were before this, I dunno.
Haha cool, I'll keep people being skeptical of me then so I can try and get off a check!
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If a one-shot role is roleblocked, his power is not spent, except for vigilantes, who don't get their bullet back.
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@Raven I had suspected that the jailer would have targeted you last night. I guess the scum saw the same thing coming.
I'm still saying that a MLuneth lynching today would be the best way to go. We can learn a lot from it because it appears that at least one of the mafia is blending in well and will be difficult to catch. If Luneth flips scum, Omni looks worse because he always seemed to ignore Luneth as much as possible. However, if he flips town it basically clears Omni and puts heavy suspicion on Geript and Rainbows. I don't think we're going to be able to figure out the more devious mafia until we get rid of Luneth.
I mean Rainbows pushed me and NW day one and then lurked. Then he pushed Luneth all day on day 2. Geript meanwhile has been just trying to push an Omni lynch days 2 and 3. I'm not ready to lynch Omni today because there is not enough proof. Just like there isn't enough proof on Geript. A Luneth lynch should prove who the true bad guys are so he needs to go down.
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What do you find scummy about AmLuneth?
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Luneth has only had one strong scumread, and that was an OMGUS on me. He hasn't been trying to find scum at all this game, and all he's doing now is calling Omni town.
Lynch Luneth. That is all.
##Vote: MLuneth
Krafla, if you're really the 1-shot cop, I can't believe you told the entire thread before night actions resolved. That was just stupid. Unfortunately, stupid =/= mafia
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So you're supposed to wait for night actions to resolve and then announce what you did and what you learnt? I thought that was more likely to make you sound like you were bluffing.
I posted after the night action deadline saying what I'd done (because I was only a 1-shot cop) but before the night action resolution (after which I announced the outcome). What difference does it make posting after the deadline or posting after the resolution UNLESS the deadline wasn't when it was specifically said that it would be? If I'm missing something obvious please explain it to me so I know in the future!
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Alright, I've finally made it through the whole thread.
Some players have kinda piqued my interest as scummy right now.
First, Geript. Day 1, town starts slow but warms up, gets focused and nails scum with a solid-contributing atmosphere where certain players stick out like sore thumbs. THIS IS THE TOWN ATMOSPHERE WE NEED. Then geript replaces in, and the nutter-butters start. Fast forward to the end of day 2 and we have lynched a townie, discussion is dying and there is a lot of uncertainty in the thread (my take on it at least). It isn't like geript created the mislynch, or made any scumslips, but in my eyes he poisoned the atmosphere enough to cloud town's perceptions. I can't really see this as anything other than scummy. Note that he replaced CoS who did very little but managed to look scummy in that time as well.
Next, OmniEulogy. Yes, it certainly feels like omni has contributed a lot, but I'd contend that he has simply posted a lot. As others have said, he spent day 1 soft-defending Arctic Daishi (scum), spent day 2 pushing a mislynch really hard, and has just struck me as off throughout my read-through. Reads slightly scum but less so than geript.
Most of the rest of the thread were releasing strong newbie vibes that interfered with my ability to seriously read them (on a casual read-through). I'll work on individual filters over the course of the next 30 hours or however long we have and try to give opinions on others but those 2 really stuck out.
PS: Krafla is looking kinda sketchy too with his claims but I'll have to re-read the OP and figure out what the hell he's claiming.
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On March 14 2013 00:34 Krafla wrote:
So you're supposed to wait for night actions to resolve and then announce what you did and what you learnt? I thought that was more likely to make you sound like you were bluffing.
I posted after the night action deadline saying what I'd done (because I was only a 1-shot cop) but before the night action resolution (after which I announced the outcome). What difference does it make posting after the deadline or posting after the resolution UNLESS the deadline wasn't when it was specifically said that it would be? If I'm missing something obvious please explain it to me so I know in the future!
You NEVER claim unless you have to. You were roleblocked. Had you not claimed blue, you wouldn't be being roleblocked every night from now on.
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I thought that would be obvious. It's like telling everyone that I'm the jailkeeper right now and forcing scum to shoot me tomorrow night.
Either that or I'd be super roleblocked every night. It's stupid to claim unless you've got some information to share with the town, or are defending yourself from a lynch.
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On March 14 2013 00:48 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 00:34 Krafla wrote:
So you're supposed to wait for night actions to resolve and then announce what you did and what you learnt? I thought that was more likely to make you sound like you were bluffing.
I posted after the night action deadline saying what I'd done (because I was only a 1-shot cop) but before the night action resolution (after which I announced the outcome). What difference does it make posting after the deadline or posting after the resolution UNLESS the deadline wasn't when it was specifically said that it would be? If I'm missing something obvious please explain it to me so I know in the future! You NEVER claim unless you have to. You were roleblocked. Had you not claimed blue, you wouldn't be being roleblocked every night from now on.
Bah, I thought that's how you used a one-shot. And up until someone asked in the thread had no idea that my skill would be refunded if I was RB'd. I suppose I should've considered it.
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Ehhh... There is something to be said for claiming 1-shots since Krafla certainly never expected to be anything other than a green after he claimed. The fact that he was roleblocked (by mafia?) was horrendously unfortunate but shouldn't affect the theory behind it. I'm not sure that there is that much real value to a pre-claim like that but I also don't see any huge cost (1/10 chance or something like that).
Repeating roles probably shouldn't claim until it is either A) saving their ass or B) nailing scum.
PS: Only 1 person claimed roleblock last night? So either both the RB and the JK targetted the same person (Krafla, if we believe him) OR the RB/JK prevented the other RB/JK from happening (didn't happen based on Krafla), OR either the RB or JK was a 1 shot affair (seems dumb to spend that night 1...?)
I'd like to hear what other people think of the RB scenarios. Unless somebody hasn't claimed being RB'ed yet?
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Nope, TRN claimed RB as well as me
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On March 14 2013 01:13 Krafla wrote:
Nope, TRN claimed RB as well as me
Oh, I didn't see that.
Too much thread T_T
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God, as much as I'd hope scum shot Geript or we woul just lynch him to shut him up... I just don't think hes guilty. Right now Omni and Rainbows are looking too suspicious with how much their play has changed sense day 1, with Omni tunneling Meatless hard then dropping out of the thread after the vote results looked pretty good he would either die or be close to it.
But, Luneth also just looks scummy, not enough I would start a case against him and push for his lynch but enough I would join one if I felt a good enough one was made. So its between you three.... Omni is looking especially guilty with hew new random lurking, and I think I'll put a vote him until I get an explination.
##Vote: OmniEulogy
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Yeah the way I look at Krafla blue claiming is that it would have been good to wait at least until the deadline was confirmed by the mod (end of N1 post). The mods aren't necessarily perfect with the timing so it is possible that someone switched the RB onto you at the last second.
Now as far as the benefit to Krafla claiming blue at the end of N1, we did use that information to try and piece together what was happening and know that Wave was town getting jailed. So I'm not sure how good or bad it was. It certainly seems worse now because we were almost sure it was game yesterday and now things are a lot more up in the air.
Meanwhile, Omni spent N1 noting who the best targets for the mafia were. (Yeah I trusted WoS too, but I wasn't going to announce that to everyone during the night!). And of course I raised the "red flag" about Omni first, early in day 1. Just a slight FoS. Oddly enough he came after me hard right after that.
Now I know I've talked a lot about Omni while still voting MLuneth. But the cases on Luneth have already been made, from sitting on a NW vote D1, to disappearing and making weak cases in D2. And basically when we lynch Luneth, if he somehow comes up town I'd be inclined to think Omni is innocent. Otherwise he is guilty as sin. So this finds out, and I'm pretty sure we'll lynch scum in the process. Glad there are a few others on board as of now. What do you say Omni? Now that you were wrong on Taco you should vote Luneth with us!
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@Sno I think you should take a deeper look at my filter. I've been surprisingly straight forward. I'd suggest you look again.
You seem to share my distrust of Omni.
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Question... why does a innocent Luneth mean an innocent Omni? Why does red Luneth mean a red Omni?
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I don't see how Rainbows looks suspicious right now Raven. There is no connection between him and Omni. Now if Luneth somehow flips town, as I've said Omni starts to look innocent and then Rainbows would have the same problem as Omni has right now, tunneling votes on innocent people. If Luneth is town then Geript and Rainbows are scum. Otherwise the two scum are Luneth and Omni. You seem to agree about Omni, but I don't think we learn as much if we vote him today, and a mislynch on Omni hurts us a lot more than a mislynch on Luneth.
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