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Three posts from Layabout all pretty much defending Hassy:
+ Show Spoiler [page50] +On February 27 2013 03:29 layabout wrote:Prom: I supported a prom lynch due to these posts: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 10:04 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote:Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote:
My new platform is killing Layabout
Read his posts
hes scum Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote:
It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to:
A. put in the time to read the thread
B. both make and evaluate other's cases
C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK
In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is:
Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. are you mad that it didn't work or that you didn't get more credit for it? Because it sure sounds like that. We had some discussion about the rnd you suggested, we had some discussion about what I suggested. I most definitely wouldn't phrase it the way your are On February 26 2013 10:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:21 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 10:17 Toadesstern wrote:prom could you respond to what I (and VE in response) said over here: On February 26 2013 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 26 2013 10:04 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote:Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote:
My new platform is killing Layabout
Read his posts
hes scum Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote:
It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to:
A. put in the time to read the thread
B. both make and evaluate other's cases
C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK
In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is:
Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. are you mad that it didn't work or that you didn't get more credit for it? Because it sure sounds like that. We had some discussion about the rnd you suggested, we had some discussion about what I suggested. I most definitely wouldn't phrase it the way your are This is something I noticed too. It sparked discussion - I'm left wondering what kind of discussion he thought RNG was supposed to generate if it didn't generate the kind he wanted. because again, the way you phrased that sounds awfully odd and I'm thinking of multiple explanations. None of them includes something you with a townie-mindset. Because I wanted it to gain some real traction. I had an idea about actually getting close and withdrawing my nomination since if scum was up for lynch they'd be pushing me as mayor where if there was a townie up for lynch they'd be pushing against me. It's a plan that only works if I get support on it. That was the discussion I wanted to spark. The basic idea was that Prom had stood for mayor under the premise that he would rng the lynch but then he turned around and said he had just wanted to create discussion. This is scummy because he didn't make enough of effort to create or encourage this discussion as he would be expected to do as town. Upon rereading I am not sure that he didn't do enough to push discussion. He mentions rng in a few posts but nobody really treats it as a valid option or says why it's a good/bad idea. The discussion naturally moves on and he lets it. Aside from that he posting is fine. I suppose he calls hasssy scummy for vanishing but he at least makes the effort to find out why hassy had gone + Show Spoiler +btw it was 3am uk time so maybe that . But he said he wouldn't be here Tues-thurs and makes the effort to post a lot and share his thoughts when he can. If he is town then he has done what he should do as town and i don't want to lynch him because of this.
+ Show Spoiler [page53] +On February 27 2013 06:13 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Not game relevant] +BH if anyone even suggests that your scum or disagrees with you you go after them aggressively and rudely. You often make personal attacks (though you mightn't think they are) that makes the game not fun to play. I remember i Igrok game where i don't think you were banned but you were out of order and since then i haven't wanted to play with you. (I don't think i said anything about it though. This game takes up to much time for us to treat each other like shit Vivax why hassy over chaos bear? And why don't you think we can do better than a lurker lynch when there were players you thought looked scummy?
+ Show Spoiler [page115] +[QUOTE]On March 01 2013 10:24 layabout wrote:
Aqua since the main point of your case is that hassy tried to be pardoner what do you think of the fact that he ran for a similar role in Holy Roman mafia on a similar basis won it and didn't use it?
Despite that being a theme/ troll game it doesn't change that he has done the exact thing that you are calling him scum for as town.
I think we should lynch macho today or failing that chez since I trust BC on this. night.
I'm questioning the logic of defending someone who for all intents and purposes ran for the pardoner position knowing specifically they aren't going to be around enough to prove they are town. It's just... odd. Like run for a position that gives town incentive to scrutinize you if you won't be around for the scrutiny. Or is this a play at looking not blendy by Hassy? Just feels strange to me that Layabout stood up for him in this way.
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I didn't read milkman filter cos all the chezinu stuff came up.
But in short I liked his approach, and have thought he was town for a while, as evidenced by my last will and comments prior. I never had a reason to read him in detail which was why I couldn't isolate my thoughts.
If chez is town vig then I still have no reason to read his filter.
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OO you are lucky I got a hard on for toad right now.
Whilst again I appreciate u took the time to read the thread. That's a commitment all of us r stuck with.
The 27 pages have been condensed down to what again is a big summary post with one or two quotes u think r `gems`.
There is minimal -if any- analysis and again u come back with zero pressure.
E.g. U accuse me of having a scum game like this, then call me town..
I know from the shadowing of be.. U are capable of detailed analysis but its not here.
The zealous approach u take only looks clean for so long...
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Firstly, much better post than your last one.
I would still prefer more 'exploration'; and more of a conclusion - as this seems to be a feeler post.
I find a couple things interesting here too:
p50; layabout decides to support the prome lynch, and then leaves his options by throwing some town pointers on prome -> which is where the hassy reference ties in.
On February 26 2013 11:53 Promethelax wrote:
Hassy vanished. Scummy. On February 26 2013 11:55 Promethelax wrote:
You k ow hassy at all? Would he vanish like that as town?
If anything, this makes hassy more likely to be town (unfortunately) ... i.e. prome sniffed an easy target to push as scum.
p53; Dunno if the stuff with BH is "not game relevant".... I have only seen selfish motivations for BH so far - not explicitly town motivations.. so i dont rule out him being a rouge scum (i.e. everyone gives him some hate for distancing).. I figured if he was scum it would be easier to ascertain later cycles, so left him be.
As for the quote: how stupid is that (in my opinion).. chaos bear requires a replacement and has zero posts.. how do you do consider him?
As for the lurker lynch comment, that could easily be him defending himself.
So in short, its a complete fluff post... and the tie with hassy I take more as a pretend-to-contribute moment, than, trying to save scum buddy hassy. [ I admit this is biased by me saying hassy more likely to be town from p50] It actually also reads as if he has no qualms with a hassybaby shooting....
p115; Now this post rang massive alarm bells for me when I read it the first time.
The defense is: hassy won pardoner before and didnt use it... how does any of that apply to this game?
Translation: when hassy is town he *CAN* be trustworthy in instances.
How does this go towards identifying *THIS GAME* that hassy is town... it dosent.. so why throw it in there?
In short: I can not see a town motivation for unveiling this information.
If layabout has a town read on hassy; there has been no progression in his filter to corroborate this. This is exacerbated by the chaos reference lurker lynch p53 reference, where he seems to have no issue with a hassy death => can not have a town read.
As stated before: the post does nothing to devine the alignment of Hassy and also reads as a discredit on aquanim.
So then.. why unveil this information?
My gut says: he was aware of the game info (prob played in it) and took it as a cheap way to contribute and make it look like he is paying attention to the intricacies of the game.
There is no town motivation for this.. I am happy to start/join a layabout lynch *IF* toad doesnt get traction.
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Geript
I haven't forgotten about your request
I will get onto it tomorrow, most likely in the afternoon (weekends are always busy for me) and tonight is no good for me either.
Thanks for your patience.
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On March 01 2013 14:56 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 14:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well, tell us your thoughts on Aqua. What exactly about OO made you think he wasn't scum? You need to show your work. I was mostly focusing on this post by OO and the response from Aqua. I was thinking that OO is never really saying anything of relevance, but Aqua says this and it really strikes me as scummy: Show nested quote +I didn't really see the point in posting serious cases after about midway through D1. I much prefer to pressure someone when I can actually threaten them with a lynch, and the Prom lynch was pretty much cemented. My play was focusing on dissecting cases made by other people (geript and Vivax in particular iirc) and thinking about whether they were sincere. He thinks that posting cases is bad, but is relying on others posting cases. This post feels not productive either. Hopefully it answers your questions, but please ask away if you have more.
TestSubject893
In regards to Aquanim...I dont see how that quote makes him scummy.
It reads literal.
Prome lynch was secure; so there is value to gain by introducing your secondary read. They know they won't get lynched and the case dies.
So how can you still help town: if others are introducing cases.. are they doing it because they have a stronger read than prome; or because they are trying to derail the lynch...
I believe this was the jist of aqua phrasing.. and I dont see scummy motivations from what you have proposed.
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For me, you are in the same boat as OO.
I know both of you guys are keen players, and capable of delving into things.
I am still trying to figure out whether your posts are intentionally lacking content; or whether, you are getting lost in thread/player count.
Right now, I am gravitating towards point 2 for both of you (OO really reads to me like an excited puppy lol).
But if the content doesnt start improving, that heuristic is going to be thrown out the window pretty soon.
*if you want clarification on why there is no content... you guys are taking shallow reads off quotes, as in.. your "analysis" is a word for word of the phrasing (e.g. he thinks that posting cases is bad).. its like your looking for scum slips instead of scum behaviour*
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##vote MachoMan
see you in 48 hours.
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On March 01 2013 20:03 Toadesstern wrote:
##vote MachoMan
see you in 48 hours.
not Grush57 anymore dear :p
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On March 01 2013 20:03 Toadesstern wrote:
##vote MachoMan
see you in 48 hours.
I don't know IamP's meta and you haven't explained this at all besides "he's scum trust me". Why Macho Man? Lay it out for me.
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oh and actually just a little explaining, I'm still reading but only answering if I have to because it's not really worth it. Here are my thoughts I had when talking with someone outside of the game (you're allowed to talk & post as long as the guy is not in the game, right?^^):
+ Show Spoiler +[27.02.2013 12:58:52] Erik: yamato keeps telling me I'm mafia because I wasn't agressive enough and stopped being agressive after the first 2 or 3 hour (duh, after the first 2 hours it's 4 am german time...)
[27.02.2013 12:59:42] Erik: how can I be more agressive than calling for a dayvig 2 hours into the game betting VE's left ball on the guy being mafia..
[27.02.2013 13:00:17] Erik: it's like there's this aura of retardation when people who aren't called Syllo, Sand or Marv are dealing with me
[27.02.2013 13:04:06] Erik: the worst part really is people telling me I'm mafia because of "insert Town-trait here"... that's just so annoying
[27.02.2013 13:04:31] Erik: like the biggest difference in meta imo is that when I'm town I don't mind about emotions at all, which leads to the hypno-toad kind of thing
[27.02.2013 13:04:44] Erik: as mafia I'm controlling that stuff because I have to to not look odd
[27.02.2013 13:04:53] Erik: and I'm getting told I'm mafia because of that..
[27.02.2013 13:05:26] XXX: yeah
[27.02.2013 13:05:37] XXX: and you can't defend yourself with it either which is also very annoying
That's pretty much the reason I was mad earlier. I've got this bullshit 3 times in a row now. I've been told I'm mafia last game because "Toad posts a lot of walls of text! He isn't doing that when he rolls town! LYNCH HIM". This time it's not being agressive enough early on while it's 2 am or because "lynch was too easy, let's lynch Toad", or because of "Toad badding his own back, must be mafia!" when everyone knows that I regulary do that as town when I'm mad to rub it into peoples faces and I don't do that as mafia. Check Mafia L for example... I told people Palmar is town d1, told people Sandro is mafia d1, people lynched Palmar and later on Sandro and EVERYONE was mad at me because "how does Toad know Palmar is town when everyone thought he's mafia and how did you know Sandro was mafia so early on?" and everyone in the game tried to lynch me for that although it isn't even a mafiatrait in the slightest.
Okay back to this game: VE basicly said I'm mafia because I'm so egocentrical and focused about myself which again, is a towntrait for me and when confronted with it answered "duh, you know about it. Meta you know about yourself isn't worth a damn". No shit sherlock, knowledge about my own meta and the assumption that I can play and confuse you with that makes it a null though if you really think so and not a mafiatrait.
So if you want me to answer something give me something that I can answer. I'm not going to explain why something that is a towntrait really is a towntrait this game as well and not some fancy mafiaploy from me because there's no possible way to do that. When you want to lynch me because "well Toad looks really good with the d1 lynch but he looks too good! Must have been a bus! LYNCH HIM" there's nothing I can do about it. That's why I told Greymist I'm going to stop being mad about people being bad and will just ignore them from now on (you probably know the timing of that one). I'm still sticking to that promise.
See you in 48hours.
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On March 01 2013 20:22 Toadesstern wrote:
So if you want me to answer something give me something that I can answer.
On March 01 2013 20:11 Aquanim wrote:
Why Macho Man?
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On March 01 2013 20:37 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 20:22 Toadesstern wrote:
So if you want me to answer something give me something that I can answer.
I'm a bit more certain on him. Also people seem to agree about him which makes it less likely I'm wrong about him.
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On March 01 2013 18:55 MilkSuckler wrote:
I didn't read milkman filter cos all the chezinu stuff came up.
But in short I liked his approach, and have thought he was town for a while, as evidenced by my last will and comments prior. I never had a reason to read him in detail which was why I couldn't isolate my thoughts.
If chez is town vig then I still have no reason to read his filter.
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OO you are lucky I got a hard on for toad right now.
Whilst again I appreciate u took the time to read the thread. That's a commitment all of us r stuck with.
The 27 pages have been condensed down to what again is a big summary post with one or two quotes u think r `gems`.
There is minimal -if any- analysis and again u come back with zero pressure.
E.g. U accuse me of having a scum game like this, then call me town..
I know from the shadowing of be.. U are capable of detailed analysis but its not here.
The zealous approach u take only looks clean for so long...
Wat
Like, if you read my posts in order, I'm just following my thought process in the thread. Maybe someone better at deep analysis will see the things I feel are weird might be worth exploring or trigger something helpful for them.
And why make a big deal of the fact that I said 27 pages? I just arbitrarily went back enough pages to gather thoughts about Hassy. If my posts are useless to you, that's cool, but you're one person. If everyone starts telling me my shit is completely useless I'll just follow Toad's example here which, to be honest, I can understand where he's coming from. Is there some kind of new meta-game where we make people not want to play the game?
And while I'm talking to you... Hey, dude, try to stop responding with every little thought that goes through your head. You're at like 14% of all the thread action at a 17 page filter and not everything that everyone writes deserves a response directly from you. Unless you're intentionally trying to make your filter a bitch to read...
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On March 01 2013 20:38 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 20:37 Aquanim wrote:On March 01 2013 20:22 Toadesstern wrote:
So if you want me to answer something give me something that I can answer.
On March 01 2013 20:11 Aquanim wrote:
Why Macho Man? I'm a bit more certain on him. Also people seem to agree about him which makes it less likely I'm wrong about him.
What exactly makes him scummier than Hassybaby?
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On March 01 2013 21:13 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 20:38 Toadesstern wrote:On March 01 2013 20:37 Aquanim wrote:On March 01 2013 20:22 Toadesstern wrote:
So if you want me to answer something give me something that I can answer.
On March 01 2013 20:11 Aquanim wrote:
Why Macho Man? I'm a bit more certain on him. Also people seem to agree about him which makes it less likely I'm wrong about him. What exactly makes him scummier than Hassybaby?
haven't read his filter once so far so no idea about Hassy and to me he's a vig target not a lynch target. But I guess there's no vigs or people like grush / Hassy / Macho would be dead around now...
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Go read Hassy's filter it will take like a minute. Also read this:
+ Show Spoiler +HassybabyJust getting this out of the way first - he's lurked hard to date. His contributions are - Made a pitch for pardoner. Nobody really paid any attention to it at all. - Asks whether OO thinks Prom or Vivax is a good lynch - Defends himself against Vivax for the above, rages at Vivax then leaves. He says he's busy - fine, I understand that. Look at this though. On February 27 2013 07:21 Hassybaby wrote:
A thank you to the guy who reminded me that the game actually started 40 mins after I said I was in. You know who you are and you're awesome and hot (I thought it was starting tonight.) I'm just going to go along and comment as I go down the thread, but have a window open for the most recent stuff, so I can answer/comment on anything immediate as well.
First of, layabout, I've never been so turned on before. That picture is the hottest thing I've seen since Wiggles accidentally turned his camera on during a dota-session Skype call.
While we're on the voting mayor malarky, I'd like to throw my hat in...for the pardoner. My platform:
I won't use it. Like Holy Roman, but without the archbishop crap. I want the case to be that I get pardoner, I'm all "cool" then we move on because it should be only a talking point if I use it, which I have no intention to. And you're all welcome to shoot me if I go back on that.
As fort he major spot, as of page 29, I'm leaning towards VE as mayor. History dictates that VE and Toad are bitches to read for me (I gave up on my brain and went with gut feeling in the last 2 attempts,) and having them in spots of power gives more for me to work with. Toad doesn't want it, so VE it is. My gut agrees for now.
##Vote: VE
Moar readingz! This is his platform for being pardoner. Basically his platform is that he won't use it... which is completely obvious and pretty much assumed of the pardoner. As for "you're all welcome to shoot me if I go back on that", scum would only use the power at LYLO anyway... but I digress. Read this post. Hassybaby thought seriously about this post. This was a serious attempt to become the pardoner. In that case, why do we never hear about this again? Hassybaby doesn't mention the role ever again. And it's not like anyone told him not to try either - in that case it would have been understandable. The only reason I can think of for someone to make a bid for office and then never mention it again is that he's scum and didn't want to make too much noise about it. The fact that he's specifically running for pardoner and has no interest in mayor is suggestive as well. + Show Spoiler +
Now that I think about it, doesn't a scum mayor have a similar effect on LYLO to a scum pardoner? The difference being I suppose that mayor is likely to be under more scrutiny.
There is no tl;dr this case is already rivalling Hassybaby's filter in length
And stop dodging the damn question and tell me what about Macho is scummy.
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You know what, I get it if you disagree with my Chez case or think there's a problem with it, but could someone at least point it out? Chez is GUILTY AS SIN and there's like nothing on the table right now that even remotely countermands my case that Chez is scum and we need to lynch him-- yet people are just voting other dudes. Like, is there a _reason_ nobody wants to lynch Chez right now?
I mean yeah he claimed dayvig... but shouldn't that be even MORE reason to lynch him? It's not alignment-indicative and he threw away his shot when he could have shot someone much scummier. The Grush ##shoot thing was a red herring. Come on, guys, he's throwing mud in the water and sand in the air and we're getting all confused when we should be _focused_ on killing chez.
STOP BEING CONFUSED
EXPLAIN WHY U NO VOTE CHEZ
my case is SO GOOD. At least respond
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On March 01 2013 21:20 Wade Fell wrote:
...we're getting all confused when we should be _focused_ on killing chez.
STOP BEING CONFUSED
EXPLAIN WHY U NO VOTE CHEZ
Because I want to learn something today?
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On March 01 2013 21:24 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 21:20 Wade Fell wrote:
...we're getting all confused when we should be _focused_ on killing chez.
STOP BEING CONFUSED
EXPLAIN WHY U NO VOTE CHEZ
Because I want to learn something today?
No.
Fuck that reason.
Fuck it .
I dont' care about learning, I don't care about anything but lynching scum, and CHEZ IS SCUM.
Why would anything other than lynching scum matter
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like is youre objection literally "yeah, chez is scum but i think i'm a highly unintelligent half-donkey half-horse and I want to lynch for 'information' instead of lycnhing for scum like a normal, intelligent centaur" is that what you're saying because if that's what you're saying
if that's what you're saying I'll punch you so hard in the balls your dad will pull out of your mom 20 years ago and you'll never be concieved
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and i'll do it through the computer, too. it'll be pretty amazing
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