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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
March 01 2013 12:26 GMT
#2561
On March 01 2013 21:25 Wade Fell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 21:24 Aquanim wrote:
On March 01 2013 21:20 Wade Fell wrote:
...we're getting all confused when we should be _focused_ on killing chez.

STOP BEING CONFUSED
EXPLAIN WHY U NO VOTE CHEZ

Because I want to learn something today?


No.

Fuck that reason.

Fuck it .


I dont' care about learning, I don't care about anything but lynching scum, and CHEZ IS SCUM.

Why would anything other than lynching scum matter

I'd like to lynch scum tomorrow too.
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 01 2013 12:31 GMT
#2562
On March 01 2013 21:26 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 21:25 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 01 2013 21:24 Aquanim wrote:
On March 01 2013 21:20 Wade Fell wrote:
...we're getting all confused when we should be _focused_ on killing chez.

STOP BEING CONFUSED
EXPLAIN WHY U NO VOTE CHEZ

Because I want to learn something today?


No.

Fuck that reason.

Fuck it .


I dont' care about learning, I don't care about anything but lynching scum, and CHEZ IS SCUM.

Why would anything other than lynching scum matter

I'd like to lynch scum tomorrow too.


So your;'e saying you think Chez is scum and... you want to lycnh him... tomorrow?! Loike, NOT TODAY?

you think chez is scum and

you don't want to lynch him

plz repeat if htis is true

plz repeat if this is true

plz

plz

I must know

aquanim, i must know what you think-- do you think chez is scum? You think he is scum and you want to lynch him tomorrow isntead of today? Is this really what you think? Like "oh hey lynching scum isn't my #1 priority" because it's not your #1 priority?

plz plz repeat if true

you are not being clear, plae clarify for me
like the thing that's confusing me is you seem to think chez is scum.. .adn therefore you don't want to lynch chezinu today?!? what sorcery is this

plz repeat if true
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
March 01 2013 12:36 GMT
#2563
I said lynch scum tomorrow, not lynch chezinu tomorrow. I have no interest in parking a vote on chezinu and going AFK for 40 hours though.
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 01 2013 12:38 GMT
#2564
On March 01 2013 21:36 Aquanim wrote:
I said lynch scum tomorrow, not lynch chezinu tomorrow. I have no interest in parking a vote on chezinu and going AFK for 40 hours though.


what is your read on chezinu

what is your thoughts on my chezinu case?

12 hours ago you said you had no thoughts on chezinu and reading his filter wouldn't help

what is your read on chezinu

what is your read on chezinu

did you read my case

what are your thoughts on my case

what are your thoughts on my case that proves, definitively, that chezinu is scum?

christ it's hard to get an answer out of you
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
March 01 2013 12:38 GMT
#2565
talking to aquanim is like wrestling an eel while covered in motor oil
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 01 2013 12:38 GMT
#2566
oops

quoted for filter


On March 01 2013 21:38 Blazinghand wrote:
talking to aquanim is like wrestling an eel while covered in motor oil

Politics is the Mind-Killer
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
March 01 2013 12:41 GMT
#2567
sorry, I'm playing dota
skimread your case and it looks legit
want to compare it to chez's filter though
I'll get back to you in an hour
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 01 2013 12:43 GMT
#2568
On March 01 2013 21:41 Aquanim wrote:
sorry, I'm playing dota
skimread your case and it looks legit
want to compare it to chez's filter though
I'll get back to you in an hour


Politics is the Mind-Killer
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
March 01 2013 13:26 GMT
#2569
So, the chezinu case.

I reckon you're right that Chezinu is being unusually useless this game. I can't fathom why Chezinu wouldn't put more effort into appearing useful even if he did roll scum, but I agree that this is more likely from scum Chezinu. (Intend to read LIX later to see his scum meta.) I also can't fathom why he shot Milkman but that applies regardless of his alignment :/

So yes, my feeling is that Chezinu is scum. My feeling is less strong than yours, but then I do not know Chezinu as well. For reference my feeling is "Yeah, I'm comfortable with this lynch" as opposed to "LYNCH IT WITH FIRE".

However. Regardless of whether that's true or not there are other scum in the game. (For instance, Hassybaby.) I think my time can be more profitably spent looking for scum elsewhere. If I don't have a scumread as strong as the one for Chezinu as the end of the day approaches I'll vote for a Chezinu lynch.

We done?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
March 01 2013 13:30 GMT
#2570
EBWOP:
However. Regardless of whether Chezinu is scum or not...
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 01 2013 13:31 GMT
#2571
Aqua with has sy...

Check a post I made on p.128in reply to OO regarding layabout.

Contains 1 reason to treat hassy as bad town instead..

Do u disagree with the heuristic?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
March 01 2013 13:37 GMT
#2572

p50; layabout decides to support the prome lynch, and then leaves his options by throwing some town pointers on prome -> which is where the hassy reference ties in.
On February 26 2013 11:53 Promethelax wrote:
Hassy vanished. Scummy.
On February 26 2013 11:55 Promethelax wrote:
You k ow hassy at all? Would he vanish like that as town?

If anything, this makes hassy more likely to be town (unfortunately) ... i.e. prome sniffed an easy target to push as scum.

You mean this?
Your point here was that Prom said that Hassy was scummy I believe.
IIRC at that point Prom was pretty dead and he knew it. (Even if the entire thing wasn't a preplanned bus.) As such analysing based on pretty much any reads he gave are WIFOM at best.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
March 01 2013 14:01 GMT
#2573
Looks like I was wrong about MilkMan, sucks to be me I guess.

What I don't understand about this whole mess is why grush claimed dayvig and Chez is still alive.

Grush, are you really dayvig? If you aren't, why did you claim it? If you are, why is Chez alive?

Chez, why did you choose to shoot Milkman? Why did you choose that timing? Why didn't you call him scum before?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
March 01 2013 14:08 GMT
#2574
Chez, I just wrote enough strong points about him to possibly get him lynched, why did you not care about that or comment on it and simply shot that dude?

@ WoS

On March 01 2013 06:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 06:21 geript wrote:
On March 01 2013 06:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Where does that put your ability?

Being wrong means I can be wrong. Is there a real point here?

Yeah, my point is pretty clear I would think. It means I nor anyone else in the thread should be able to trust your reads. You're wrong this time as well if you're partially basing your case on my 'excited' activity.

Ugh this is as good a time as any to duck out until after daypost considering I've apparently brought no worthy discussion with my case and am going mostly ignored once again. If only I was scum I'd win singlehandedly. I'll be back later this evening.

Oh and I guess so I can contribute to the actual topic of conversation: my 'conspiracy theory' involves Toad in a way. The same way that DrH mentioned he think both Geript and I are town despite being against each other in ways is very different from how I feel towards Toad vs VE.
I don't believe it's possible for them both to be town.


WoS I just noticed this in your filter. You posted this exclusion case about VE and Toad not possibly being town together, and after VE's flip you immediately went to this:

On March 01 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript #1 reads NA.
Can we lynch him yet?


I would have expected you to join into Helvetica's Toad push given your pre-day post. Where did that intention go? You seem to completely be ignoring what's being written about Toad. You replied on a question about Toad with saying you would dive his filter but I still don't see anything regarding that.
The Macho Man
Profile Joined February 2013
171 Posts
March 01 2013 14:16 GMT
#2575
On March 01 2013 20:22 Toadesstern wrote:
oh and actually just a little explaining, I'm still reading but only answering if I have to because it's not really worth it. Here are my thoughts I had when talking with someone outside of the game (you're allowed to talk & post as long as the guy is not in the game, right?^^):

+ Show Spoiler +
[27.02.2013 12:58:52] Erik: yamato keeps telling me I'm mafia because I wasn't agressive enough and stopped being agressive after the first 2 or 3 hour (duh, after the first 2 hours it's 4 am german time...)
[27.02.2013 12:59:42] Erik: how can I be more agressive than calling for a dayvig 2 hours into the game betting VE's left ball on the guy being mafia..
[27.02.2013 13:00:17] Erik: it's like there's this aura of retardation when people who aren't called Syllo, Sand or Marv are dealing with me
[27.02.2013 13:04:06] Erik: the worst part really is people telling me I'm mafia because of "insert Town-trait here"... that's just so annoying
[27.02.2013 13:04:31] Erik: like the biggest difference in meta imo is that when I'm town I don't mind about emotions at all, which leads to the hypno-toad kind of thing
[27.02.2013 13:04:44] Erik: as mafia I'm controlling that stuff because I have to to not look odd
[27.02.2013 13:04:53] Erik: and I'm getting told I'm mafia because of that..
[27.02.2013 13:05:26] XXX: yeah
[27.02.2013 13:05:37] XXX: and you can't defend yourself with it either which is also very annoying


That's pretty much the reason I was mad earlier. I've got this bullshit 3 times in a row now. I've been told I'm mafia last game because "Toad posts a lot of walls of text! He isn't doing that when he rolls town! LYNCH HIM". This time it's not being agressive enough early on while it's 2 am or because "lynch was too easy, let's lynch Toad", or because of "Toad badding his own back, must be mafia!" when everyone knows that I regulary do that as town when I'm mad to rub it into peoples faces and I don't do that as mafia. Check Mafia L for example... I told people Palmar is town d1, told people Sandro is mafia d1, people lynched Palmar and later on Sandro and EVERYONE was mad at me because "how does Toad know Palmar is town when everyone thought he's mafia and how did you know Sandro was mafia so early on?" and everyone in the game tried to lynch me for that although it isn't even a mafiatrait in the slightest.
Okay back to this game: VE basicly said I'm mafia because I'm so egocentrical and focused about myself which again, is a towntrait for me and when confronted with it answered "duh, you know about it. Meta you know about yourself isn't worth a damn". No shit sherlock, knowledge about my own meta and the assumption that I can play and confuse you with that makes it a null though if you really think so and not a mafiatrait.

So if you want me to answer something give me something that I can answer. I'm not going to explain why something that is a towntrait really is a towntrait this game as well and not some fancy mafiaploy from me because there's no possible way to do that. When you want to lynch me because "well Toad looks really good with the d1 lynch but he looks too good! Must have been a bus! LYNCH HIM" there's nothing I can do about it. That's why I told Greymist I'm going to stop being mad about people being bad and will just ignore them from now on (you probably know the timing of that one). I'm still sticking to that promise.

See you in 48hours.

you claiming scum?

1.thats not an explanation at all
2. it looks like you dont give a shit about this lynch if your gonna afk for 48 hours
3. thats is scummy as fuck

i will be here as always you could at leat have tried to make a case toad you could of but are you afraid that my attention is not divided my townieness will start to burn like it always does.

your checking out makes no sense.
Expect the unexpected in the kingdom of madness
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 01 2013 14:20 GMT
#2576
On March 01 2013 21:20 Wade Fell wrote:
You know what, I get it if you disagree with my Chez case or think there's a problem with it, but could someone at least point it out? Chez is GUILTY AS SIN and there's like nothing on the table right now that even remotely countermands my case that Chez is scum and we need to lynch him-- yet people are just voting other dudes. Like, is there a _reason_ nobody wants to lynch Chez right now?

I mean yeah he claimed dayvig... but shouldn't that be even MORE reason to lynch him? It's not alignment-indicative and he threw away his shot when he could have shot someone much scummier. The Grush ##shoot thing was a red herring. Come on, guys, he's throwing mud in the water and sand in the air and we're getting all confused when we should be _focused_ on killing chez.

STOP BEING CONFUSED
EXPLAIN WHY U NO VOTE CHEZ

my case is SO GOOD. At least respond


The biggest thing for me against your case now is certainly the fact that Chez dayvigged, but then wasn't counter claimed.

How likely do you think it is that scum has a dayvig but town doesn't? I think it's probably a rare occurrence, but I also don't know anything about what mods do to balance a game.



In many of the N1 death posts, people listed JungleJorge as someone they thought was scummy. Why isn't anyone except me pursuing this?
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The Macho Man
Profile Joined February 2013
171 Posts
March 01 2013 14:24 GMT
#2577
actually you know what toad i dont need anything else from you if you really are going to go afk for 48 hours its is a scum claim in my eyes.

If you were town i would expect you to you know try to advocate me getting killed up untill the deadline pushing your reads and whatnot commenting on the game. There is no explanation for this other than that you are scum

vote toad
Expect the unexpected in the kingdom of madness
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
March 01 2013 14:27 GMT
#2578
fuck you flood control i got more to say

Anyone not voting for toad has to explain to me how him not caring about this lynch at all is not the scummiest thing ever committed.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 01 2013 14:34 GMT
#2579
On March 01 2013 23:27 iamperfection wrote:
fuck you flood control i got more to say

Anyone not voting for toad has to explain to me how him not caring about this lynch at all is not the scummiest thing ever committed.


I find it more interesting that you only show up and start freaking the fuck out when just toad lays suspicion on you.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
The Macho Man
Profile Joined February 2013
171 Posts
March 01 2013 14:37 GMT
#2580
On March 01 2013 23:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 23:27 iamperfection wrote:
fuck you flood control i got more to say

Anyone not voting for toad has to explain to me how him not caring about this lynch at all is not the scummiest thing ever committed.


I find it more interesting that you only show up and start freaking the fuck out when just toad lays suspicion on you.

he has been doing it the whole game and i didnt care because it was justified i didnt have my full attention on this game so i did appear scummy.

But this action by him is super scummy if he advocated for my lynch tried to push it as a read i would be inclined to think he is town. But since he openly claimed he does not give a shit about this lynch it is extremely likely he is scum.
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