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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
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The Macho Man
171 Posts
On March 01 2013 14:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't think a newbie scum would make that post. He would just have made his post on OO if it was indeed real, I'm sure it would be worked on and approved in the scum qt. WIFOM but that's my 2 cents. the to bad to be scum argument? The post effectively achieves nothing and it does not look like scum hunting. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 01 2013 14:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't think a newbie scum would make that post. He would just have made his post on OO if it was indeed real, I'm sure it would be worked on and approved in the scum qt. WIFOM but that's my 2 cents. Its a waste of read regardless.. why even say you think Aqua/OO is scum.. if your not going to produce a single iota of evidence or reason. Its like he felt obliged to post, because he said he woudl share some thoughts. | ||
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The Macho Man
171 Posts
On March 01 2013 14:44 TestSubject893 wrote: I promised to post some thoughts and this is the explanation of why I'm not doing that. Its not helpful, I agree. oh well if he is gonna be that upfront with it that its maybe he is more likely to be misguided town. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 01 2013 14:46 The Macho Man wrote: the to bad to be scum argument? The post effectively achieves nothing and it does not look like scum hunting. Not at all, it just hits me in a different way. I'm more concerned about his post on Day 1 then that one, but if he has done enough work to have written full cases and then deleted them, he needs to prove it now. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 01 2013 14:44 TestSubject893 wrote: I promised to post some thoughts and this is the explanation of why I'm not doing that. Its not helpful, I agree. Its ok, we came to the same conclusion lol | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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The Macho Man
171 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Grush is standing out to me right now, his vote states he's voting for Toad but I don't see any reasons at all. The only thing coming to mind about Toad is remembering that someone said that Toad and VE were probably on opposite teams but it doesn't appear to have been Grush saying that either. So far he just seems to be echoing sentiments of the thread without his own take spelled out for us to read. And what DocH just said about him stalling discussion is even more disconcerting... Something about Layabout has been bothering me but I haven't been able to put my finger on it. Looked at his filter and his last post here seems to be something of a nugget: On March 01 2013 10:24 layabout wrote: Aqua since the main point of your case is that hassy tried to be pardoner what do you think of the fact that he ran for a similar role in Holy Roman mafia on a similar basis won it and didn't use it? Despite that being a theme/ troll game it doesn't change that he has done the exact thing that you are calling him scum for as town. I think we should lynch macho today or failing that chez since I trust BC on this. night. Layabout wants to sheep the dead guy. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that BC is a great player but we can't operate on sheeping a dead guy who can't develop or change his reads, so I'm just wondering if he wants to develop the case on BC's behalf. | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 01 2013 14:46 MilkSuckler wrote: Its a waste of read regardless.. why even say you think Aqua/OO is scum.. if your not going to produce a single iota of evidence or reason. Its like he felt obliged to post, because he said he woudl share some thoughts. That is exactly what I felt. Apparently this was the wrong choice and I'll make note of that for the future. On March 01 2013 14:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well, tell us your thoughts on Aqua. What exactly about OO made you think he wasn't scum? You need to show your work. I was mostly focusing on this post by OO and the response from Aqua. I was thinking that OO is never really saying anything of relevance, but Aqua says this and it really strikes me as scummy: I didn't really see the point in posting serious cases after about midway through D1. I much prefer to pressure someone when I can actually threaten them with a lynch, and the Prom lynch was pretty much cemented. My play was focusing on dissecting cases made by other people (geript and Vivax in particular iirc) and thinking about whether they were sincere. He thinks that posting cases is bad, but is relying on others posting cases. On top of all of that I had this weird interation with OO last game that I'm trying to keep from biasing me this game, but sometimes I think I'm overcompensating and its causing me to be really indecisive about the whole thing. This post feels not productive either. Hopefully it answers your questions, but please ask away if you have more. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On March 01 2013 14:56 TestSubject893 wrote: That is exactly what I felt. Apparently this was the wrong choice and I'll make note of that for the future. I was mostly focusing on this post by OO and the response from Aqua. I was thinking that OO is never really saying anything of relevance, but Aqua says this and it really strikes me as scummy: He thinks that posting cases is bad, but is relying on others posting cases. On top of all of that I had this weird interation with OO last game that I'm trying to keep from biasing me this game, but sometimes I think I'm overcompensating and its causing me to be really indecisive about the whole thing. This post feels not productive either. Hopefully it answers your questions, but please ask away if you have more. My win-con in that game was to kill everybody and I was happy to oblige. | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 01 2013 14:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Post your case on OO even if you're doubting it now. I've posted some dumb cases so far and changed my mind. At least it will show us you're actually trying There is no case anymore, there where some links and some incomplete sentences. It never got clsoe enough to completion to be a "case". | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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The Milkman
Mongolia140 Posts
Good luck. My milk is delicious. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 01 2013 15:14 The Milkman wrote: I am the Milkman. Good luck. My milk is delicious. GG.. i feel sorry for you haah prob was catching up on 20/30 pages of thread.. and then BAM.. crap i casnt reply to the new notes I just made | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
i seen enough on toad to go ahead with that lynch full steam | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
Also, I'd like to hear your read on layabout. GG Milkman. Your milk is delicious. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [major references to hassybaby] + Milksuckler openly encouraging a Vig shot for inactivity and running for pardoner: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17902607 The Macho Man for Hassy's disinterest in town/game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17903248 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17908194 Aquanim regarding Hassy's intent to become pardoner: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907070 Vivax claiming attempt to shoot Hassy (this one is curious because how can you say "I believe" you wither did or did not shoot at Hassy....): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907129 Roleblock: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907541 Implying Milkman is scum with Hassy vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907319 vivax unvote, switch to milkman: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907440 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907541 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907642 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17908119 Layabout describing Hassy having taken hold of Pardoner in another game (looks like a soft defense): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907769 DocH greenlighting a shot on Hassy or Chez: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17908224 Regarding my notes (links) Confirms that Hassy's definitely in the back of people's mind. I see that since then, we have moved targets from Hassy to Chez, Milkman (who has since been confirmed town, was a candidate for Vivax) and Toad (DocH after a thorough re-read). I noted the extra stuff from Vivax in his switch to Milkman since it was a bigger deal knowing that Vivax was looking at Milkman who is since confirmed town. First post from his switch to Milkman looks kind of like a day-late OMGUS, for what that is worth. An interesting post before the chaos Then I discovered this little gem, not sure how to best utilize it but here you go: On March 01 2013 11:30 MilkSuckler wrote: Just wanted to say, I liked the way you presented ya thoughts with this post.. was clear to read (I would prefer if you kept producing content that way) Look, you're right, I am just saying he is town.. Let me read his filter and confirm where I stand with milkman.. THEN I will comment to whether I agree with your case or not. We never got those reasons why MilkSuckler thought Milkman was town. I would have liked to have seen that (unless I'm somehow wrong and the Chez shot banter just obfuscated it on my brief pass through the thread looking for it) pre-flip. So what does this flip say more about? Vivax had a scum read on him, MilkSuckler had a town feeling on him. MS was right but... we never found out why. I'm trying to sort this out in writing and nothing is making too much sense to me at this moment. Vivax seems to have a decent case but it's partially based on incomplete information and partially intuition on his part. MS could have easily found reasons Milkman was town as scum, and might have even been more careful to answer the question I would wager. My conclusions: 1) Vivax had a pretty interesting case that just didn't pan out (i.e. there was no conniving on the part of Milkman in his night action speculation, a large part of his case) which might have gotten a proper response had Milkman not been shot. Might consider this a warning that his reads are bad this game or it's mafia motivated. Downgrading my read of Vivax from leaning town to null for now. 2) Hypothetical mafia MilkSuckler is active enough (and careful enough as scum as evidenced by our previous game together) to answer questions posed to him relatively quickly. Leaning town at this point. 3) Hassybaby: backburner for now, but let's not forget him, probably mafia or just begging for modkill or replcement at this point. Something about Hassy may be linked to Layabout which I think I'll take a look at next given the soft-defense mentioned in the spoiler above (post by Layabout.) side note, I hope the formatting isn't too awful to make this unreadable | ||
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