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MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 01 2013 04:04 GMT
#2481
This wait is killing me...
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 01 2013 04:05 GMT
#2482
On March 01 2013 13:01 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 12:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 01 2013 12:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On March 01 2013 12:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 01 2013 12:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On March 01 2013 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 01 2013 12:37 grush57 wrote:
##Shoot: Chezinu
##Vote: Toadesstern
These 2 are scum...

I hate my brain.
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Oh god what if we have 2 dayvigs or if some retarded reason Chez is town and DrH just baited the mafia dayvig into shooting.....aaaaaaghWIFOMMMMMMM


If Chezinu gets shot by a second dayvig and isn't scum then we have confirmed the other dayvig as scum. If Chezinu is the town dayvig, the mafia dayvig will never claim and can never use his KP and he'll be confirmed town in my eyes. Too big a risk to take as scum, since if he were the scum dayvig he would have the foresight to see that the town dayvig would just shoot him. Does that make sense? If he is the town dayvig he can do this to confirm his role and force the mafia dayvig into not using his shot because it would reveal scum.

Are we never going to talk about toadesstern today


Why are you necessarily making the assumption that there is 1 town dayvig and 1 scum dayvig?

Why couldn't there be 2 town dayvig?

Quite possible. But because scum has no prior knowledge of the setup I don't think they would use this shot in response to early Day 2 pressure because fear of counterclaim.

If there is no other claim, I'm inclined to let Chezinu live for now but for balance reasons I think scum having 1 dayvig and town having none is incredibly unlikely. It is probably either 2 in favor of town or 1:1. Either way it would be a more productive way of dealing with Chezinu right now.

I'm not sure I can be accused of defending him when I'm asking for him to be shot.


Ok...I think I'm following.

I'm not disagreeing with ridding of Chez. What I'm disagreeing with is the thought process that if Chez flips green, that automatically makes grush red.

It makes him look worse, sure. But it is just as likely that grush could be green and trying to jump on the opportunity to rid of Chez thinking he's scum.

Hypothetical:
Wouldn't a scum dayvig know that Chez is green, and shooting him would reveal that? This makes it seem, in my mind at least, that grush is town just knowing that he wouldn't out himself as a vig if he were scum.

...I think my train of thought it followable


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Lol precisely
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 01 2013 04:06 GMT
#2483
@Moc & Doc. What you think of my last post?
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 01 2013 04:07 GMT
#2484
On March 01 2013 13:06 geript wrote:
@Moc & Doc. What you think of my last post?

To be honest.. im waiting to leave.. so not paying attention to anything enough to comment.. just want to see a flip and then fuck off
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 01 2013 04:12 GMT
#2485
I'm not sure what you're responding to. Do you mean to say Toades pushing Prom for pardoner was a ploy to guarantee he would be killed by whoever was elected?
RIP Aaliyah
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 01 2013 04:15 GMT
#2486
Im over this.. im starting to think grush was just trolling

Geript. i will have a look through what you wrote later on.. im not sure why your pushing the point though.. Toad has enough evidence on him to justify a consolidated vote

So i am not sure what you are trying to prove.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 01 2013 04:17 GMT
#2487
No, I'd have to look back on the timing of when he brought that up for it to matter. It could possibly be true but not enough on that. I'm saying that when I made the second big push to put prom in the pardoner role, because VE was leading and looking to win it, following my prom pardoner push is scummy because it was an attempt to force VE to be restrained. It's similar to a safety play in bridge.

I will admit that this doesn't look great for me (as I made the follow up push), but its something to think about.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
March 01 2013 04:17 GMT
#2488
On March 01 2013 13:15 MilkSuckler wrote:
Im over this.. im starting to think grush was just trolling

Geript. i will have a look through what you wrote later on.. im not sure why your pushing the point though.. Toad has enough evidence on him to justify a consolidated vote

So i am not sure what you are trying to prove.

With the milkman gone.... Got milk?

Also, sorry for crying over the split milk...

actually... the jokes aren't helping how I feel...
lol, clueless in The Prism!
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 01 2013 04:20 GMT
#2489
On March 01 2013 13:15 MilkSuckler wrote:
Im over this.. im starting to think grush was just trolling

Geript. i will have a look through what you wrote later on.. im not sure why your pushing the point though.. Toad has enough evidence on him to justify a consolidated vote

So i am not sure what you are trying to prove.

The more pressure the better. If Toadesstern is town he should be able to clearly demonstrate his logic.

The main issue is that he used the entirety of Day 1 to credit himself for the Prom lynch and cast doubt on everyone else who agreed with him.

Why would any townie do this? I have played with Toadesstern and he isn't that arrogant. Even Ace isn't that arrogant.

I pushed Prom immediately after going through his filter. I then used the rest of the day to pressure other players (to try and get an idea of the rest of the scumteam), improve town discussion, clarify my own thinking, i.e. goals and behaviors any town player should strive to achieve. Although I'm not perfect, I made an honest effort to remain productive. "Oh yeah I nailed scum in 2 hours bitch lol everyone on skype says I'm town" is the opposite of productive and it comes across as an effort to avoid talking about anything else.

If you can catch scum that brilliantly in 2 hours surely you can contribute something else by the end of the day. Give me a break, there's no town intentions in that whole filter.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 01 2013 04:21 GMT
#2490
On March 01 2013 13:17 geript wrote:
No, I'd have to look back on the timing of when he brought that up for it to matter. It could possibly be true but not enough on that. I'm saying that when I made the second big push to put prom in the pardoner role, because VE was leading and looking to win it, following my prom pardoner push is scummy because it was an attempt to force VE to be restrained. It's similar to a safety play in bridge.

I will admit that this doesn't look great for me (as I made the follow up push), but its something to think about.

By methodology maybe but if I were town and VE said he might lynch me I'd do whatever I could to make sure that doesn't happen. But I would do that by trying to approach him with logic and convince him I'm not town or convince everyone to elect somebody else mayor.
RIP Aaliyah
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 01 2013 04:28 GMT
#2491
On March 01 2013 13:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 13:15 MilkSuckler wrote:
Im over this.. im starting to think grush was just trolling

Geript. i will have a look through what you wrote later on.. im not sure why your pushing the point though.. Toad has enough evidence on him to justify a consolidated vote

So i am not sure what you are trying to prove.

The more pressure the better. If Toadesstern is town he should be able to clearly demonstrate his logic.

The main issue is that he used the entirety of Day 1 to credit himself for the Prom lynch and cast doubt on everyone else who agreed with him.

Why would any townie do this? I have played with Toadesstern and he isn't that arrogant. Even Ace isn't that arrogant.

I pushed Prom immediately after going through his filter. I then used the rest of the day to pressure other players (to try and get an idea of the rest of the scumteam), improve town discussion, clarify my own thinking, i.e. goals and behaviors any town player should strive to achieve. Although I'm not perfect, I made an honest effort to remain productive. "Oh yeah I nailed scum in 2 hours bitch lol everyone on skype says I'm town" is the opposite of productive and it comes across as an effort to avoid talking about anything else.

If you can catch scum that brilliantly in 2 hours surely you can contribute something else by the end of the day. Give me a break, there's no town intentions in that whole filter.


This is the sentiment I agree with most.

Toad, if you're so super good at scumhunting, why don't you pretend to be useful again?
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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
March 01 2013 04:29 GMT
#2492
just make sure you don't change your stance when he makes up an afk excuse
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 01 2013 04:29 GMT
#2493
Even if I was 100% sure about an early scum lead I sure as hell wouldn't lose the opportunity to apply more pressure either to that individual or to other reads/scummy posts that occur later in the thread. Immediately switching to "oh yeah Im town and just wait for the flip to confirm it" that early on screams early bus
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 01 2013 04:30 GMT
#2494
On March 01 2013 13:29 grush57 wrote:
just make sure you don't change your stance when he makes up an afk excuse

he wasn't afk though he was posting plenty
RIP Aaliyah
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 01 2013 04:44 GMT
#2495
I agree with the Dr.H's argument on toad. Additionally, he hasn't fixed reason why I didn't like him before he's still not doing much. Originally I thought he was just playing it cool to not die N1, and would unveil more about grush/scum on day 2, but so far nothing that I can see that benefits town.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 01 2013 04:46 GMT
#2496
Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 01 2013 04:46 GMT
#2497
I just PM both hosts... oats is same timezone as me.. so hopefully responds
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
March 01 2013 04:51 GMT
#2498
what
what just happened
what
The Macho Man
Profile Joined February 2013
171 Posts
March 01 2013 05:00 GMT
#2499
On March 01 2013 13:17 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 13:15 MilkSuckler wrote:
Im over this.. im starting to think grush was just trolling

Geript. i will have a look through what you wrote later on.. im not sure why your pushing the point though.. Toad has enough evidence on him to justify a consolidated vote

So i am not sure what you are trying to prove.

With the milkman gone.... Got milk?

Also, sorry for crying over the split milk...

actually... the jokes aren't helping how I feel...

are you going to talk about anything else or are literally just going to cry over spilt milk?
Expect the unexpected in the kingdom of madness
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 01 2013 05:10 GMT
#2500
I got caught up running some errands earlier and am back now. Skimmed through the thread and a lot has gone down. I'm gonna type up a few of my thoughts here in a second. I'm working under the assumption that grush is not in fact any variant of dayvig until we hear otherwise.
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