EPTToadesstern, you need to explain right this very second exactly (or as close to exactly as you can within the rules) how your roleblock was phrased.
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DoctorHelvetica
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Toadesstern, you need to explain right this very second exactly (or as close to exactly as you can within the rules) how your roleblock was phrased. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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how can you also early discredit ve/layabout for sheeping you then after the lynch spout that they are confirmed town only because promethelax was mafia how does being right about something confirm your alignment | ||
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Toadesstern
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On March 02 2013 00:24 iamperfection wrote: god damn flood control i agree with you chez he seems to not want to put information out there at all even in his own weird way seems like he is just crying. yeah but that's what chez does no matter of alignment. I don't think it's possible to read Chez anyways and the only possible way to go about a Chez lynch is by process of elimination. With VE and BC flipping town, laya+DrH probably being town (I know I am town) that only leaves chez for now and he's one of the guys who isn't influentual at all, no matter of alignment, which explains the easy lynch on prom. If someone like VE or me would have been mafia we would have had a shitstorm d1 with the intention to either save prom or to make it as hard as possible for town to read the thread. Not saying we didn't btw, because with what was going on d1 it wasn't easy to follow up at all and I know at least one guy said something like "one out of VE /Toad has to be mafia" (lynch that guy, whoever it was btw, unless he looks really townish, especially with the VE shot and RB on me). But I'd say it's pretty unlikely for me to shoot VE if I'm mafia in this situation. I don't think mafia expected VE to cool down and finish in a "toad probably not mafia" post and wanted to shoot him to guide the mislynch onto me with a modconfirmed town-VE who was raging mad about me and called for my lynch, a (probably) mafia RB on me (I really don't think someone would use a jail on me for protection instead of other people like VE / dr.H / laya / BC...) because I did that in fruity as mafia to make myself look townish. That's obviously all useless to you guys because it works on the assumption that I'm town, which you can't know but that's some of the reasoning for what I'm saying. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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Toadesstern
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On March 02 2013 00:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Stop pretending that the bus idea is the only point against you. Toadesstern, you need to explain right this very second exactly (or as close to exactly as you can within the rules) how your roleblock was phrased. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. What I said is all that I'm allowed to say I think: I was roleblocked. Give me an example of what makes me scummy then because all I read is stuff like this: On March 02 2013 00:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm trying to understand why town Toad gets that much confidence 2 hours into the day, so much that he is going to talk about nothing else except how awesome his case is, how everyone else is a sheep and how the flip is going to without a doubt confirm him to be town how can you also early discredit ve/layabout for sheeping you then after the lynch spout that they are confirmed town only because promethelax was mafia how does being right about something confirm your alignment which again is just "toad looking to good to be town" for the first part, and the 2nd part has nothing to do with discrediting but with pointing out that they were on it later than I did and only agreed to it after I posted it. That's quite an important difference although it still makes them town, as I already explained and you're ignoring it. Anyways, got to fetch up my mom, see you in 30 minutes. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On March 02 2013 00:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Not true. It's the way you handled your read. Forget that you were right, for a moment, the way that you acted that day after calling out Prom was unacceptable and extremely anti-town. I asked to be replaced out because people kept calling me mafia for reasons that are usally towntraits for me, as already shown multiple times while wrongly labeling it mafia-trait and when showing it just answering "well, you know about your meta, you might play like your town meta to screw with us". Again, there's nothing I can say against bullshit like that, NOTHING and it got me mad to a point that I asked to be replaced out. Yes I was rubbing it in to show some people how bad they are. Again, I'm still waiting for a single thing that just shows that I'm supposed to be mafia, you keep saying there's dozen of such things but I haven't seen a single one so far. | ||
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Toadesstern
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DoctorHelvetica
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There are only two possible roleblocks in the game. One of which has flavor: Malfuncioning Protectron: You are a bit Broken!! Each night you may "Protect" someone by throwing them in the town's jail. They will be unable to perform actions, but will be unable to be actioned upon. Your target will not be notified if they were protected from a shot in this way because of the concussion. The mafia roleblock has no flavor. On March 02 2013 00:59 Toadesstern wrote: just a regular roleblock, no flavor to it. On March 01 2013 10:00 Vivax wrote: I'm being told that I've been roleblocked and that's it. Can we lynch MilkMan pls? So, I'm inclined to think Toadesstern is the liar here and we move forward on a lynch. If Toadesstern flips town (shame on him in that case), then we kill Vivax tonight. Does that work for everyone? | ||
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Toadesstern
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On March 02 2013 01:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Okay. Either Toadesstern or Vivax is a confirmed liar and is mafia. There are only two possible roleblocks in the game. One of which has flavor: The mafia roleblock has no flavor. So, I'm inclined to think Toadesstern is the liar here and we move forward on a lynch. If Toadesstern flips town (shame on him in that case), then we kill Vivax tonight. Does that work for everyone? You linked a quote telling people that the target won't be notified about a SAFE. God I should have ignored you and not VE... | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On March 02 2013 00:58 Toadesstern wrote: I asked to be replaced out because people kept calling me mafia for reasons that are usally towntraits for me, as already shown multiple times while wrongly labeling it mafia-trait and when showing it just answering "well, you know about your meta, you might play like your town meta to screw with us". Again, there's nothing I can say against bullshit like that, NOTHING and it got me mad to a point that I asked to be replaced out. Yes I was rubbing it in to show some people how bad they are. Again, I'm still waiting for a single thing that just shows that I'm supposed to be mafia, you keep saying there's dozen of such things but I haven't seen a single one so far. 1. Your case against Prom never evolves and is mostly built around his RNG plan not promoting good discussion, much like the Pardoner plan you submitted despite admitting it wasn't a good idea 2. You put no effort into scumhunting for the rest of the day, only attacking people who agreed with you and claiming towncred for yourself. Since it was so early and Prom had yet to flip that's a bit odd 3. Still curious how you moved from VE/Layabout/Me being sheep on you (despite the fact that I built my case on Prom without ever having read your posts) to being confirmed town 4. There is no way you actually believe that every single person who accuses mafia rightly on Day 1 is confirmed town, you are not that stupid 5. After calling out Prom in 2 posts, you made no attempt to put pressure anywhere else, no real attempt to put further pressure on him, only arguing about how awesome and town you are 6. Either you or Vivax is a confirmed liar right now 7. Didn't want mayor cuz no bodyguards even though you're apparently the best town player in this game and already a huge target, why not take that role to guarantee VE isn't elected and lynches you. Also said you'd only want mayor to lynch a vet 8. Horrible bullshit case on Milksuckler showing early aggression and bad logic, attack him for sheeping when the opinion is a very common and popular one amongst TL Mafia players, one that likely every player has an opinion on and isn't really indicative of alignment either way. I also disagree with the idea that we should never D1 lynch vets but I don't think it's scummy to agree with that and nobody else should either 9. The particular phrasing of "Prom will confirm me" is troubling, suggests prior knowledge of his alignment 10. Still no real case against grush, your accusations on machoman are based on a metaread that you're not providing evidence for so for players like me who don't know who iamp is this is not doing a good job of moving the town 11. The scummiest thing Prom did was in his farewell post (attacking JJ with logic near impossible for town to use) which you glossed over, that was the point when I and everyone else became supremely confident he was scum because everything before that was about as good as it gets for a Day 1 early case, which is not very good at all. I don't believe you can be that good and that confident THAT early simply because there wasn't enough evidence at the time to warrant it only 1 of these points depends on you being "too good" so i hope that helps | ||
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There aren't two vanilla roleblock powers in this game so how can there be two vanilla roleblocks? | ||
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Vivax
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I for sure am not lying and got a standard roleblock notification, so don't try to pull these stunts on me. @ Oo You said in your post that Milkman was "confirmed town". 1. Why are you saying this? My points against him were strong and he was scummy, where is evidence that he was confirmed town? Did you know something I do not? 2. Why are you saying that to call me scummy but not to dissuade me from lynching him? And why aren't you pushing for a Chezinu lynch since he shot him? | ||
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glurio
Germany597 Posts
I believe vivax is telling the truth with his roleblock and vig statement. Also i think chez is probably a misguided town-dayvig would scum be so bold and really just shoot someone who isn't a big scumread in the face like that? I took a look at vayesh's filter. The reads he mentioned are the following: Wade Fell + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 06:36 VayeshMoru wrote: It has come to the annuls of a man so lazy he forgot to don his mask. The shadows that adorned the face of this everywhere layer should come to reach the eyes of all. Tremble the men of black should start. The marching feet of justice shall not halt. A list of reads by VE where he thinks Toad might be third party + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 07:15 VayeshMoru wrote: of those thoughts Vayesh sees one common thought. A second thought is almost in align and the third is not yet fully concluded. The amphibian seems more some mutating thing, or perhaps the one who sells spirits. The man of bovine is still not fully alluded. geript + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 09:25 VayeshMoru wrote: the ripped man is a man of the darkness. His serpentine ways are merely a habit of his nature Here a list of DrH where he agrees: layabout JJ geript testsubject vivax + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 11:17 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh likes the words flowing from your gallifreyan mouth. The synconization of thoughts is more alike than that of any other soul. The logical conclusion is to give you power of the death machines. Toad scum/3rd party again + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2013 07:40 VayeshMoru wrote: Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more. However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid. If you were town you would not want this man in office. Toad is scum / third party geript again + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote: geript is scum so fear him you should not Chez scum/3rd party + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2013 08:50 VayeshMoru wrote: This post from you shows a large lack of understanding of the bc and chez meta for mafia. I will agree that chez is likely mafia or third party. My reasoning however is based on how upset he was about rolling red in LIX. He had 0 interest in the game when he rolled red then and similar level of sentiment here would indicate same shit. However given that he attempted to save some of his team in LIX and has done dickall here I would argue third party more likely than red. Given that I was posting the way I was the contributions I made were imo fine as well as the fact I came out and stopped you from doing something stupid. I am fine with a vig shot on macho or grush as they have near crap to really form a solid lynchable opinion on at this venture. I seriously want someone to stop this shit ive seen reoccuring in virtually every game ive played in recently where people get to say "bc is scum or likely scum shoot him/lynch him" with no reasons posted. It leads me to post lists of who I think is scum and not give anyone the benefit of my thought process as people piss me off to the point I feel they don't deserve it. Stop trying to discredit me without an actual case. And his death post: On March 01 2013 08:57 VayeshMoru wrote: not sure why obviousone is on so many lists -_- However Jcarlsoniv Geript Junglejorge Layabout Hassy Chez likely in that list is 2 mafia and 1 third party. Haven't put in much more thought but RO, WF and milkman should all be on everyones watch lists as well. If DrH stops contributing like he did day 1 then hes likely third party. Before anyone asks why I care about mafia and third party. Town has to off them to win as well. If you just look at the posts i quoted isolated, geript is clear winner with 4 posts about him. I do think we can find scum if we look at what he posted because there must be a reason why he got killed. He mentioned the following people (number of times they got mentioned): geript (4) toad (2) chez (2) JJ (2) layabout (2) hasyy (1) jcarlsoninv (1) wade fell (1) vivax (1) testsubject (1) | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On March 02 2013 01:16 Vivax wrote: What is this flavour story Helvetica. You're making things up. That stuff about the jailer seems to be just that, flavour. Did you even ask the host? I for sure am not lying and got a standard roleblock notification, so don't try to pull these stunts on me. @ Oo You said in your post that Milkman was "confirmed town". 1. Why are you saying this? My points against him were strong and he was scummy, where is evidence that he was confirmed town? Did you know something I do not? 2. Why are you saying that to call me scummy but not to dissuade me from lynching him? And why aren't you pushing for a Chezinu lynch since he shot him? There is only one true roleblocker in the game. the malfunctioning protectitron is a medic/roleblocker. the clause at the end of the post says that if the malfunctioning protectitron protects you that night you will be notified (with the flavor of the concussion). i.e. it's impossible for two regular roleblocks to occur on any night and one of you is the liar milkman is dead and flipped town by the way | ||
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