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JungleJorge
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jcarlsoniv
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On March 02 2013 02:41 JungleJorge wrote: I jailed toad. I normally wouldn't claim like this, but reading this game is annoying me. Chezinu is confirmed scum btw, we should be voting him. There is absolutely no way chez would shoot someone randomly like that as town, without even giving him a chance to claim. His filter has no previous mentioned of him. Chez was a lynch target for today, so it makes sense for him to use his power as mafia not to waste kp. Besides all these obvious things that make him mafia, his behavior is very different from his town games, where he trolls but actively gives out reads and is way more interactive with players. Here we notice posting in small bursts, only to keep appearances and not engaged in any issues town is discussing. ##Vote Chezinu Speak of the devil... The thing is, there wasn't any huge pressure on chez when he shot. He had suspicion cast on him, but it's not like he was about to die when he shot milkman. Also, nobody counter claimed him. I agree with DrH that it's probably unlikely that scum has a dayvig and town does not. I can't understand being in Chez's position and firing if he were scum. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On March 02 2013 02:41 JungleJorge wrote: I jailed toad. I normally wouldn't claim like this, but reading this game is annoying me. Chezinu is confirmed scum btw, we should be voting him. There is absolutely no way chez would shoot someone randomly like that as town, without even giving him a chance to claim. His filter has no previous mentioned of him. Chez was a lynch target for today, so it makes sense for him to use his power as mafia not to waste kp. Besides all these obvious things that make him mafia, his behavior is very different from his town games, where he trolls but actively gives out reads and is way more interactive with players. Here we notice posting in small bursts, only to keep appearances and not engaged in any issues town is discussing. ##Vote Chezinu I can get behind a Chez lynch (moreso than Toad honestly) but I'd be careful of the logic. Why would town randomly shoot someone, but I can see the same thing for mafia...it seems really dumb just to out oneself that early, especially since he wasn't really a main lynch target; there were probably 3-4 other people talked about equally as much. If he is mafia then to be honest I see something malfunctioning within the scumteam. What it would mean is that the Prom 'bus' probably wasn't a bus at all (and even though I should be ignoring it, Prom's GG post is likely true) and each member appears to be acting somewhat of their own accord, since outing 2 mafia members super early just seems like terrible play even if there is some epic scumplan behind it. | ||
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JungleJorge
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Vivax
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Chez could have tried to push for his lynch in that case or comment on my case whatever and decided to go for his own thing which is scummy. I'd still wait for Chez and grush to answer my questions and cast away any doubts before we make a definite decision. If there's still any doubt we will lynch that guy, a tooth for a tooth and it's not like we lose much of a value if he's indeed town. | ||
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JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
On March 02 2013 02:49 WaveofShadow wrote: I can get behind a Chez lynch (moreso than Toad honestly) but I'd be careful of the logic. Why would town randomly shoot someone, but I can see the same thing for mafia...it seems really dumb just to out oneself that early, especially since he wasn't really a main lynch target; there were probably 3-4 other people talked about equally as much. If he is mafia then to be honest I see something malfunctioning within the scumteam. What it would mean is that the Prom 'bus' probably wasn't a bus at all (and even though I should be ignoring it, Prom's GG post is likely true) and each member appears to be acting somewhat of their own accord, since outing 2 mafia members super early just seems like terrible play even if there is some epic scumplan behind it. It's pretty obvious mafia team is acting dumb. No mafia team busses someone day one for no reason, even if they did it is because they had no better choice. There is no flips besides prom still, so any theories about busses are best saved for when they are need (i.e. late game with nothing else makes sense). Chezinu is scum regardless, despite being a troll he is very good and has very good reads as town, no way in hell he would take that shot. Not only because he missed, but also how he did it and whom he shot. | ||
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layabout
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why you ask? well look: On March 01 2013 08:50 VayeshMoru wrote: This post from you shows a large lack of understanding of the bc and chez meta for mafia. I will agree that chez is likely mafia or third party. My reasoning however is based on how upset he was about rolling red in LIX. He had 0 interest in the game when he rolled red then and similar level of sentiment here would indicate same shit. However given that he attempted to save some of his team in LIX and has done dickall here I would argue third party more likely than red. Given that I was posting the way I was the contributions I made were imo fine as well as the fact I came out and stopped you from doing something stupid. I am fine with a vig shot on macho or grush as they have near crap to really form a solid lynchable opinion on at this venture. I seriously want someone to stop this shit ive seen reoccuring in virtually every game ive played in recently where people get to say "bc is scum or likely scum shoot him/lynch him" with no reasons posted. It leads me to post lists of who I think is scum and not give anyone the benefit of my thought process as people piss me off to the point I feel they don't deserve it. Stop trying to discredit me without an actual case. It's also worth pointing out that since mafia* decided to shoot BC then they felt that he was a threat to them. In other words at least one of the people on the mafia team wanted BC dead.+ Show Spoiler [*] + (most likely unless there is a sk and there were blocked shots) On March 01 2013 08:57 VayeshMoru wrote: not sure why obviousone is on so many lists -_- However Jcarlsoniv Geript Junglejorge Layabout Hassy Chez** likely in that list is 2 mafia and 1 third party. Haven't put in much more thought but RO, WF and milkman should all be on everyones watch lists as well. If DrH stops contributing like he did day 1 then hes likely third party. Before anyone asks why I care about mafia and third party. Town has to off them to win as well. **I have added to colors to reflect my own reads. Now if none of these players are scum then mafia's shot makes much less sense, and if 1 is scum it's chez, 2 then probably chez and hassy. But why am i so sure it's chezinu? Well the majority of players in this game have probably been skipping/ignoring/not getting chezinu's posting. I expect most people to have labelled him "null" because his posting style is unconventional. But BC is one the the players that can at least read him sometimes. And the way to do this is by activity. So BC had a scum read on Chezinu. When you factor in the way that BC almost got Dr.h it's clear that he had the ability to push a chezinu lynch if he so desired. Removing BC would greatly reduce the chance that he would be lynched. I cannot remember the game exactly but chezinu was mafia and was lurking just how is has done this game and he was nailed on such a meta case and lynched and that reinforces my belief that he is scum this game. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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JungleJorge
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WaveofShadow
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On March 02 2013 02:58 jcarlsoniv wrote: JJ, what ever happened to you being convinced that aquanim is scum? I'm going to assume it's because it's easier to pick off strong scumreads than weak ones. Hence my upcoming vote switch: I like the recent posts regarding Chez and I think it's enough for me to get onboard the train. ##unvote ##Vote: Chezinu | ||
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JungleJorge
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On March 02 2013 02:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: Speak of the devil... The thing is, there wasn't any huge pressure on chez when he shot. He had suspicion cast on him, but it's not like he was about to die when he shot milkman. Also, nobody counter claimed him. I agree with DrH that it's probably unlikely that scum has a dayvig and town does not. I can't understand being in Chez's position and firing if he were scum. That's the dumbest assumption I've read. Why on earth it's unlikely that only scum has a dayvig? And Chezinu had no pressure on him? If you read the thread prior to the shot you'll see plenty of people arguing for a chez lynch. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On March 02 2013 03:01 JungleJorge wrote: His recent posting has shaken my read a bit. I still find the interactions between him and prom very weird, but it's mostly on prom's part. That post I quoted earlier is still a very huge red flag for me, but we can discuss him later. Now we have sure scum to kill. Really? Cuz I'm certainly still not convinced that Chez is red blooded. | ||
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JungleJorge
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WaveofShadow
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Have either of you two changed your minds on this based on the recent discussions? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 02 2013 03:04 JungleJorge wrote: That's the dumbest assumption I've read. Why on earth it's unlikely that only scum has a dayvig? And Chezinu had no pressure on him? If you read the thread prior to the shot you'll see plenty of people arguing for a chez lynch. Arguing for a lynch on chez is FAR different than him being on the lynch block. People have made arguments for me being scum, but I was never really pressured either because I never felt like I was about to die. Chez isn't some newbie with cold-feet. I'd bet money that he didn't fire because he was shaking in his boots, scared of being lynched. | ||
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layabout
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As to my comments about hassy they are a reflection of my view on lurkers. Q: How does town deal with lurkers on day1? A: Town ignores them. They are very difficult to read and are often absent for reason beyond their control, we do not know why they are absent. Town instead focuses on players which are there and lynches the scummiest of the bunch. Town relies on blue roles with KP to deal with lurkers since they are at best a coinflip. Players that focus their attention on lurkers day 1 are players that are focusing on easy targets that may not do much to defend themselves rather than players that are doing things that they can be held accountable for and that can be analyzed. These players are acting in a way that furthers mafia goals more than it does town. Town lynches lurkers on day1 when it cannot reach a consensus and because lurkers are dangerous players to have around endgame since they are such a coinflip. So I picked up on people posting and pushing lurkers. As far as Hassy was concerned since he is also from the UK and nobody had answered prom's question about why he might be absent i felt that i should. I have also experienced coming into a game that starts at a very late time for me and being met with a thread full of people calling me scum because i missed 16 or so hours which can be very frustrating if you don't have much time. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On March 02 2013 03:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: Arguing for a lynch on chez is FAR different than him being on the lynch block. People have made arguments for me being scum, but I was never really pressured either because I never felt like I was about to die. Chez isn't some newbie with cold-feet. I'd bet money that he didn't fire because he was shaking in his boots, scared of being lynched. I agree, but that doesn't mean his shot made sense. Layabout's argument summarizes that. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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GreYMisT
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Violations include Violating the No PM rule in addition to using outside the game information which is not availible readily to the other players to influence the proceedings of the day. I will discuss this post game. There will be outside the game punishment for this action. Again, discussion of this modkill will happen IN THE POST GAME. Do not make me have to remove anyone else this game. Please. With 20 Players alive it takes 11 to lynch | ||
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