EPTAdditionally Toad's attempt to come up with players that he views ads confirmed town in thread reflects town thinking not mafia thinking. Mafia need to be able to push lynches again town at some point in the game and having a bunch of players that they cannot touch reduces their ability to do this. It's also harder for them to push their agenda opposite trusted town figures. Conversely it is town job to find these figures, though generally people don't feel the need to say who is almost certainly town since these players are so easy to identify. But since Toad named me my perspective might be slightly different.
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Additionally Toad's attempt to come up with players that he views ads confirmed town in thread reflects town thinking not mafia thinking. Mafia need to be able to push lynches again town at some point in the game and having a bunch of players that they cannot touch reduces their ability to do this. It's also harder for them to push their agenda opposite trusted town figures. Conversely it is town job to find these figures, though generally people don't feel the need to say who is almost certainly town since these players are so easy to identify. But since Toad named me my perspective might be slightly different. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 02 2013 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote: EBWOP: doesnt' mean his shot made sense from a town POV. Layabout's current and earlier arguments summarize that. But it doesn't make sense from a scum perspective either. If chez was scum, he knows milkman is town, and that shooting him would raise suspicion. Shooting first as a scum day vig is risky because of counter claiming (which no one did). Also, doesn't scum like 3rd party roles? They make more confusion for town, and have higher chances of hitting town. So if chez thought milkman was bartender, wouldn't that be something a scum chez would want to keep around? And Gg toad | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On March 02 2013 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote: But it doesn't make sense from a scum perspective either. If chez was scum, he knows milkman is town, and that shooting him would raise suspicion. Shooting first as a scum day vig is risky because of counter claiming (which no one did). I raised points about that in an earlier post; the scumteam seems incredibly disorganized. The Toad flip just about confirms for me that the 'bus attempt' was essentially forced upon them or there was no bus at all. Also, doesn't scum like 3rd party roles? They make more confusion for town, and have higher chances of hitting town. So if chez thought milkman was bartender, wouldn't that be something a scum chez would want to keep around? Chez could very easily have been lying, or as layabout suggested, he doesn't give a shit. And Gg toad | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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layabout
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plus they knew about 1 town vig and if they were responsible for the nightkills they know that if there is 3rd party it's likely the bartender likely, they also knew there was a town tracker. This suggests that there would be less KP left over and potentially more roles that have to visit people, and less chance of a town vig. | ||
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Restraining Order
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To which I say "it's Chezinu". Looking at activity/involvement/behavior it's clear he's not town. Well, as clear as a Chezinu can get, at least. Now he unveiled himself as dayvig, that means he is mafia, since he can't be 3p... Voting him. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
I am really shocked at the amount of emotional investment people seem to put into mafia. This was one of the main reasons I assumed both VE and Toad couldn't both be town since they were constantly at each other's throats and VE was getting so unbelievably pissed off...I basically assumed that it was all some sort of scum charade since it's just forum posting. Toad's emotional martrydom, resorting to (almost?) cheating to clear his name and flip really proved me wrong...I really am new to the mafia world. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
what kind of person could put in so much time and not become emotionally invested? also we aren't supposed to talk about modkills not matter how much it's tearing me up inside. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 02 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote: I meant to post this earlier since people were asking, but I suppose now is an appropriate time as well, make of it what you will. I am really shocked at the amount of emotional investment people seem to put into mafia. This was one of the main reasons I assumed both VE and Toad couldn't both be town since they were constantly at each other's throats and VE was getting so unbelievably pissed off...I basically assumed that it was all some sort of scum charade since it's just forum posting. Toad's emotional martrydom, resorting to (almost?) cheating to clear his name and flip really proved me wrong...I really am new to the mafia world. That's like saying we don't get emotionally invested in LoL  Also, I realize my defense is basically "it doesn't make sense", but I'm just not convinced. | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 01 2013 15:55 Aquanim wrote: @TestSubject, why do you think one of OO and myself is scum? Also, I'd like to hear your read on layabout. GG Milkman. Your milk is delicious. The way you 2 were fighting made me think you were both scummy, but also made it unlikely that you were both mafia. I have been working under assumptions similar to those that WoS recently expressed and am starting to think that those assumptions aren't so great. It hasn't gotten me to anything conclusive anyway. On March 02 2013 02:41 JungleJorge wrote: I jailed toad. I normally wouldn't claim like this, but reading this game is annoying me. Chezinu is confirmed scum btw, we should be voting him. There is absolutely no way chez would shoot someone randomly like that as town, without even giving him a chance to claim. His filter has no previous mentioned of him. Chez was a lynch target for today, so it makes sense for him to use his power as mafia not to waste kp. Besides all these obvious things that make him mafia, his behavior is very different from his town games, where he trolls but actively gives out reads and is way more interactive with players. Here we notice posting in small bursts, only to keep appearances and not engaged in any issues town is discussing. ##Vote Chezinu I don't understand why JJ claimed here. Even if we are 100% sure that JJ is telling the truth, it doesn't tell us anything about Toad other than the fact that he didn't lie about the RB. He could still have been scum. | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 02 2013 03:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: That's like saying we don't get emotionally invested in LoL Also, I realize my defense is basically "it doesn't make sense", but I'm just not convinced. I think what he's pointing out though is that some players, like Toad did here, are playing suboptimally because of that emotional invest. I know that when I do analysis I usually just see those emotions as a cover to allow them to get away with scummy plays, when Toad's play shows us that that is not always the case. I know a lot of being a good player comes down to sorting out the sincere bad plays from the intentional ones, but I can tell you right now that assessing the egos and emotions in this game has really thrown me for loop. I feel like its a big hole in my play and if anyone has any advice on patching it more quickly, it would be much appreciated. | ||
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geript
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On March 02 2013 03:37 layabout wrote: wave do you know how much time this game takes? what kind of person could put in so much time and not become emotionally invested? also we aren't supposed to talk about modkills not matter how much it's tearing me up inside. I didn't really talk about the modkill, I talked about his flip. Technically he was called out about mentioning skype much earlier in the game which showed his emotional investment. On March 02 2013 03:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: That's like saying we don't get emotionally invested in LoL Also, I realize my defense is basically "it doesn't make sense", but I'm just not convinced. Yeah Soniv I'm beginning to see that, haha. Although to be fair I'm sure there are some people who don't get emotionally invested in LoL; I'm just not one of them. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
and I wasn't shot. Looks like mafia is trying to get me lynched now. But you guys better watch out! You guys don't even know how many bullets I have nor how many times I can shoot in one day... Don't you love semi-open setups? | ||
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geript
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On March 02 2013 04:19 geript wrote: Chez that is not a defense. Yeah, I don't defend or make cases. | ||
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geript
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
I'm not going to bother with that. I've been saying that for far to long and people only listen to me post game. I'm just going to make my list and you can accept it or not. I have no grounds to ask for mercy at this point. | ||
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Chezinu
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