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yamato77
11589 Posts
I don't think it's any stretch to say everyone should be on board with killing Palmar today. Sloosh is townier by a mile and Palmar is obviously not even playing the game, so he should just die. If he's town, oh well, someone has to die, and he's admitted to us that he's going to do nothing. If he's mafia then his team is retarded, or he's too cocky for his own good. One thing I will say today is that I don't think VE is mafia at the moment. Drunk VE was very town last night. <3 drunk VE. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 10 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote: One thing I will say today is that I don't think VE is mafia at the moment. Drunk VE was very town last night. <3 drunk VE. Please translate which one. I think VE is a probably townie read and will defend him if/when pressure is applied, OR; I think VE is a leaning townie and willing to hear out pressure if/when applied | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
I don't think what people are calling him mafia for right now is very convincing stuff, as I said day 1 about Snarf's case, but I have no vested interest in defending him myself at this point in time. If he's town, he'll do just fine without me interjecting. It'll be a different deal if nothing changes tomorrow and people start throwing votes his way, however, and I still think he's town. Then you might see me defend him. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
Well my vote is most likely on Palmar tomorrow. I am waiting to read this super post I think he said he was going to deliver, before making a final decision. I also recognise sl0osh contributed significantly with the phagga read/case, but, frankly, I was expecting him to step up more. In particular after his promises on how to manage the nomination days. Its almost as if he made the case, and then regressed back to late Day1. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
*Too entrenched with re-formatting my computer* Sorry this is Off-Topic, so PM if you know the answer. [fluff question I am hoping someone here knows] i have a game on Origin, BUT the account i created was a typo'd email addy (i.e. I never verified it) Somehow, it still let me buy a game (so didnt realise till too late). I cant find an email address to contact Origin to find out how to fix this, and have been waiting 1hr30min for the Live Chat (and still waiting) | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On February 10 2013 11:58 Mocsta wrote: palmar So you are motivated enough to actively lurk and respond when mentioned. But not motivated enough to provide your own highly regarded thoughts and reads? If as a townie u keep saying "tis OK. Lynch me" why bother to respond in the first place? Fact: I can't confirm/deny if your motivations are low. What I do know is that this setup allows for a pro town townie to NEVER be lynched or killed. I still don't get why highly regarded players (such as yourself and others) have not stepped up. This nomination mechanic is better than bodyguards. Hence i find it is peculiar it is not being taken advantage of... My previous games have nothing to do with how I play this game and active lurking is not a scumtell unless you apply it correctly, those are just some future pointers for you in mafia. Anyway, I will be voting Sloosh, I don't think he can be scum so I'm not too concerned if it's me who dies. Whichever faction you're playing for at the moment Mocsta should not have to worry about losing you based on your pure effort put into the game alone. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Anyway, I think yamato, prplhz, snarfs, phagga, visceraeyes and cheesecake should be in the initial round of scum. I guess VE should not be strongly considered in this group unless I'm wrong about prplhz, but who knows. I'm fairly certain 2-4 of those players are scum. This leaves the group of me, mochsta, JX, oat, jay, djodref and sloosh as most likely 5-7 townies. jay and djodref are the ones I like the least. I'm not going to bother you guys with detailed PR cases (that's what I really call them, I actually write cases to convince town, not to prove people are mafia). I'm just going to pick out scum and tell you why in short. Yamato is most likely scum. He basically seems to be picking a target that looks like it could die and then going for him. The giveaway part for me is how he's pushing his reads. Notice how often he seems to be looking for reasons to lynch people instead of looking for people who are scum: On February 07 2013 22:48 yamato77 wrote: What town needs now is to consolidate, and I don't think anyone would oppose a JX lynch. It's quite interesting yamato77 already made it quite clear what he was going to do when JX predictably flipped town: On February 08 2013 10:27 yamato77 wrote: Regardless of the JX flip I think Palmar is claiming mafia to us with that last post about the lynch. And again with the "let's get everyone working together to lynch someone, not necessarily scum, just a lynch. To be fair he seems to think we're all town, but whatever. On February 10 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote: I don't think it's any stretch to say everyone should be on board with killing Palmar today. Sloosh is townier by a mile and Palmar is obviously not even playing the game, so he should just die. If he's town, oh well, someone has to die, and he's admitted to us that he's going to do nothing. If he's mafia then his team is retarded, or he's too cocky for his own good. prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why: He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself. Examples: On February 07 2013 21:30 prplhz wrote: But we're not lynching people because you think their play is "abhorrent to [your] notion of playing to win". His reputation is well earned and it's silly to lynch him on day 1 unless there's a really good case but the entire case against him can be explained away with "he's had a mental breakdown" and we can tolerate that for a single day as long as he isn't straight up lying to us so lets just wait it out and see what happens. Only bad thing about that is that we have to lynch someone else and this game isn't making much sense to me. I think I need to talk to slOosh. On February 08 2013 07:38 prplhz wrote: @VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar? On February 08 2013 01:14 prplhz wrote: Will people please comment on jaybrundage. JieXian sucks and he'll need to do something about that but in the meantime I want some feedback on jaybrundage. The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him. Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night?  Anyway, more later if I have time. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
I know Palmar doesn't tend to rely on meta. So I can understand the doubt with prplhz. His play style to me is inherently scummy or at the least very self-centered. I think it really is between prplhz/VE as 1 scum. I will have to reread yamato. His case on me was terrible, and he didn't even bother to defend my counter case asking me to reread thinking he was town... When I reread it, none of it still made any sense. I haven't minded his actions post that case, but will reread. I still think phagga is the best candidate for day3. SlOosh, may I ask who you are planning to lead with on day3? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I'm leaning Palmar because I don't think he'll be able to conjure up any interest in the game now that we're several days in and he has hardly even read it and I don't want him to hang out and be an annoyance for the rest of the game. I don't know what he'll flip and I'm not interested, we'll find out soon enough. At least the other two guys appear still to be interested in this game. Prp says: I want to lynch Palmar cause I am irritated by him. What a shitty reason to vote for Palmar. Also, he still doesnt want to answer who he wants to lynch outside of the nomination people. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
Fair points on prplhz. Trying to get info out of him is like trying to make olive oil from olives and bare hands.... What are your thoughts on Palmar read of yamato77? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
Would you be against a policy lynch on Djodref? Its getting ridiculous now how long it has been since his last post. On February 08 2013 02:36 Djodref wrote: Well, I don't want to lynch JieXian if he wants to lynch Palmar. Regarding your last post about Palmar, here is my take. Town Palmar lynches scum (like in Hero Mini Mafia) or trolls like there is no tomorrow (like in LVIII). Here I seriously doubt that prplhz is scum, so I doubt that Palmar is town. I would also like to remind you that you sheeped onto Palmar's wagon at some point in this game  That is basically close to 72hours with no feedback what so ever. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote: Even if I do this, why is that a problem? I mean, if I come up with malicious advice then I agree that it would be a problem, but I don't, do I?[...] prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why: He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself. The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him. Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night? Anyway, more later if I have time. On February 10 2013 22:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Prp is scummy, Prp says: I want to lynch Palmar cause I am irritated by him. What a shitty reason to vote for Palmar. Also, he still doesnt want to answer who he wants to lynch outside of the nomination people. No, it's not a shitty reason to vote Palmar. Which nominee do you want us to lynch and why? I'm not confident in any of the nominees being scum so I'm lynching the one I expect will cause the most disruption if he lives. Imagine Palmar lives, tomorrow he'll push either yamato77 or, more likely, me and I don't doubt that he'll succeed. I'll flip town and then where the fuck are you? Back at lynching Palmar again. Alternatively, his interest in this game disappears again and then his activity drops to abysmal levels. Back at lynching Palmar again. Of course, if I had a scum read in any of the other candidates I'd lynch them but that's simply not the case. Yea I didn't answer who I wanted to lynch outside of the nominees because we aren't lynching outside of the nominees right now. I'll answer you tomorrow, I don't think that's a big problem. One day, one lynch, today is today and tomorrow is tomorrow. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
As for what it means about him, I don't know. My reaction is to think he's mafia but it's an emotional reaction that I shouldn't rely on. My reasons for wanting him lynched today have been transparent. I haven't sat on the idea of lynching him in the slightest, my process today has shifted from my earlier decision on Sloosh to my current opinion of Palmar and his commitment to the game. I didn't do this, as he suggests, because other people want to, I did this because I have new information about Sloosh and himself which led me here. I would be disappointed to find out this was town Palmar, but I suppose it wouldn't be surprising. If that's the case, I guess it was three townies, and I was wrong, but I'll talk more about that and what it means tomorrow. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On February 11 2013 03:00 yamato77 wrote: I would be disappointed to find out this was town Palmar, but I suppose it wouldn't be surprising. If that's the case, I guess it was three townies, and I was wrong, but I'll talk more about that and what it means tomorrow. You already know it's wrong! | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 10 2013 15:46 yamato77 wrote: And to think I softdefended this guy day 1. Jesus. What is the purpose of this post, Yamato? Let me answer that for you: You want to distance yourself from the guy that is being perceived as scum by several townie players. But why do you have to do that? Because you're scum. If you were town, you wouldn't care enough about the fact that you softdefended me D1 to post about it. On February 10 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote: I will say this, I am sitting on my reads today on purpose. You guys know what I think about who dies today, and that's enough for the time being. Tomorrow I'll update all of you on my reads, which have changed some since yesterday, but not significantly. More importantly, I've become more confident in them, and have some more evidence, which I will share at a later date if it hasn't already been covered. I don't think it's any stretch to say everyone should be on board with killing Palmar today. Sloosh is townier by a mile and Palmar is obviously not even playing the game, so he should just die. If he's town, oh well, someone has to die, and he's admitted to us that he's going to do nothing. If he's mafia then his team is retarded, or he's too cocky for his own good. One thing I will say today is that I don't think VE is mafia at the moment. Drunk VE was very town last night. <3 drunk VE. I asked you for your reads, and this is your response? I can see no reason why you should not give your reads out now, since you are allegedly finished analysing them and have "become more confident in them". That is unless you are scum. Also, I asked you why you think I'm scum, would you please answer that? Who are your scum reads and why? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On February 10 2013 22:32 Mocsta wrote: SlOosh, may I ask who you are planning to lead with on day3? Not sure if I understand this question - if it is who do I lynch first, it's phagga, because it's the clearest and best chance flip. I like Palmar's list as it has good overlaps with mine. After phagga, I'd probably start convincing people that VE is scum, then maybe prplhz. A strong reason for this is that VE and prphlz are objectively experienced / good players and they are focusing on today's lynch and avoiding talking about anything else. Think about it from a townie perspective. If you conclude that the nomination candidates are all town, then why would you bother spending your time and energies choosing which one to lynch? As if making the correct townie lynch will win the game for us? No, if you conclude that all nomination candidates are town, you should be focusing on who you will lynch tomorrow. You should scumhunt. 4 out of 8, I repeat 4 out of 8 players are scum if there are three townies up for nomination. And you seriously spend time looking at the three townies? Total bull. I've been saying this the whole time, and maybe it's more evident now as you've seen how D2 has played out, but there are clearly people who don't want to talk about anything outside the current nomination pool. What's more is that some of these people clearly think that the candidates are all town, so why would they bother waiting for the lynch before they start contributing? If someone thinks we are town, then they must have some degree of respect for Palmar's / my play, or in the very least desire to dialogue with another townie about their scumreads etc. Why wait for one of us to die? Why wait? | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
I'm still not sure on who to lynch today after Palmar's last post. I like killing yamato. And Oats. And VE still. I'll be back later to post more. | ||
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