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On January 31 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Why is using the double lynch even a discussion?
Having more town-directed KP is always a good thing. Whether we use the double lynch tomorrow or on a later cycle, town-directed KP is ALWAYS the same. The timing of the KP changes, but the amount does not.
Sure. But having more faster is the better way to go. Give me a 5-way lynch right now and ill take it. Clean out some unreadable's and probably hit a scum in the process.
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So I guess town has decided to lynch Axle?
Coin flip inc
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On January 31 2013 07:14 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:08 austinmcc wrote:On January 31 2013 06:58 FiveTouch wrote:
What's going to happen tomorrow right. Is that there's gonna be some people shouting that you should get lynched. And some people shouting that annul should get lynched. And Toad probably saying fuba should get lynched.
And then I probably won't be able to stop what I think is a completely suboptimal lynch, and it'll be rubbish. Whereas if we double lynch, town will much more readily agree to my lynch target, if there's another one up for grabs.
It's basically a win for everyone. I swear you didn't type this British before being outed. That still leaves us what you're calling a rubbish lynch tomorrow. In that case it doesn't stop a suboptimal lynch. That wording makes it sound like we'll just robo-lynch your target of choice and then have a normal lynch discussion concerning target #2, instead of just having a normal lynch discussion concerning the only lynch. I'm going to assume this is just poor wording or whatever, and not push this point. If Axle flips mafia, then we have one mafia left to find. I'd much rather lynch the scummiest two guys right away and increase our odds of hitting mafia right then, drastically, then save it for some hypothetical situation later when town might be in trouble and it's a desperation move, rather than it being an empowering move. I would say it amazes me that you can't see this stuff, or don't consider it more important than your arguments, but it doesn't at all, sadly. I SEE that stuff. I almost-entirely disagree with it.
If you want it for a situation where we're down to one mafia, you can hold it until then (unless we're awful). Rather than relying on "If x flips mafia," we can double lynch WHEN someone flips mafia.
And I don't see why we'd lynch the two scummiest guys right away, instead of lynch the single scummiest guy for a day or two, and then lynch the two scummiest guys. It's not less powerful later, it's MORE powerful later when the pool of scummy guys is smaller.
If you want to say that it's better for thread morale or stuff like that, then fine, that's a point that I'm not really going to argue because it's more mushy. But the math on when it's weakest/strongest isn't in your favor here, the double lynch gets stronger as the pool of scummy folks gets smaller. It's not "desperation" at all to double lynch later.
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On January 31 2013 07:17 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote:On January 31 2013 07:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Why is using the double lynch even a discussion?
Having more town-directed KP is always a good thing. Whether we use the double lynch tomorrow or on a later cycle, town-directed KP is ALWAYS the same. The timing of the KP changes, but the amount does not. Sure. But having more faster is the better way to go. Give me a 5-way lynch right now and ill take it. Clean out some unreadable's and probably hit a scum in the process.
Why is it "better"? You can lynch unreadable people any cycle. You can clear them out BEFORE you double lynch. If the benefit is that you "probably" hit scum, then the chance that you hit them increases with each cycle, so that's a downside, not a benefit.
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Austin why are you being super active when we're talking about whether or not we should double lynch as opposed to when we talk about who we want to lynch?
Aren't there at least a couple people you want dead right now?
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On January 31 2013 07:31 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:17 Adam4167 wrote:On January 31 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote:On January 31 2013 07:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Why is using the double lynch even a discussion?
Having more town-directed KP is always a good thing. Whether we use the double lynch tomorrow or on a later cycle, town-directed KP is ALWAYS the same. The timing of the KP changes, but the amount does not. Sure. But having more faster is the better way to go. Give me a 5-way lynch right now and ill take it. Clean out some unreadable's and probably hit a scum in the process. Why is it "better"? You can lynch unreadable people any cycle. You can clear them out BEFORE you double lynch. If the benefit is that you "probably" hit scum, then the chance that you hit them increases with each cycle, so that's a downside, not a benefit.
In virtue of them being unreadable, Id like them gone as fast as possible so we can focus everyone else, assuming the game hasn't ended already. Each night-kill before we double lynch reduces our comparative control over said double lynch.
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On January 31 2013 07:42 yamato77 wrote:
Austin why are you being super active when we're talking about whether or not we should double lynch as opposed to when we talk about who we want to lynch?
Aren't there at least a couple people you want dead right now?
For non-scummy reasons, like, "I have time right at this moment."?
I have a couple questions I would like answered, more than I have a couple people I want dead right now. Like the one I asked you.
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And if we hit a scum before we double lynch we're guaranteeing a mislynch. Odds are we won't hit two scum double lynching with two scum up but we're taking out unreadable people. This is beneficial for us because we will be wasting less days with agreed lynches where the people in question won't say shit. I haven't seen you say a single reason except towns power goes up as we have less people (obvious). That also regardless of when we use it.
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On January 31 2013 07:44 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:42 yamato77 wrote:
Austin why are you being super active when we're talking about whether or not we should double lynch as opposed to when we talk about who we want to lynch?
Aren't there at least a couple people you want dead right now? For non-scummy reasons, like, "I have time right at this moment."? I have a couple questions I would like answered, more than I have a couple people I want dead right now. Like the one I asked you.
Something about the difference between you and Axle?
Basically just a question to appear to make yourself look better to me.
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Hi guys, I just wanted to pop in to tell you how bad you are. It's fucking obvious by now that FT is the scummiest person alive on this planet. Go play tetris srs.
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Lol, Vivax.
I'm pretty confident in my town read on Marv, even if he is lynching Axle.
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On January 31 2013 07:57 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:44 austinmcc wrote:On January 31 2013 07:42 yamato77 wrote:
Austin why are you being super active when we're talking about whether or not we should double lynch as opposed to when we talk about who we want to lynch?
Aren't there at least a couple people you want dead right now? For non-scummy reasons, like, "I have time right at this moment."? I have a couple questions I would like answered, more than I have a couple people I want dead right now. Like the one I asked you. Something about the difference between you and Axle? Basically just a question to appear to make yourself look better to me. That's the one. Why are my interactions with gonzaw/chez/prplhz and discussions about them making you entirely sure I'm mafia, while they are inconclusive evidence as far as Adam is concerned?
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On January 31 2013 08:08 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:57 yamato77 wrote:On January 31 2013 07:44 austinmcc wrote:On January 31 2013 07:42 yamato77 wrote:
Austin why are you being super active when we're talking about whether or not we should double lynch as opposed to when we talk about who we want to lynch?
Aren't there at least a couple people you want dead right now? For non-scummy reasons, like, "I have time right at this moment."? I have a couple questions I would like answered, more than I have a couple people I want dead right now. Like the one I asked you. Something about the difference between you and Axle? Basically just a question to appear to make yourself look better to me. That's the one. Why are my interactions with gonzaw/chez/prplhz and discussions about them making you entirely sure I'm mafia, while they are inconclusive evidence as far as Adam is concerned?
Because you know more about what you're doing than Axle.
And Axle's posts are far more difficult to decipher, so your association is more overt.
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On January 31 2013 08:08 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:57 yamato77 wrote:On January 31 2013 07:44 austinmcc wrote:On January 31 2013 07:42 yamato77 wrote:
Austin why are you being super active when we're talking about whether or not we should double lynch as opposed to when we talk about who we want to lynch?
Aren't there at least a couple people you want dead right now? For non-scummy reasons, like, "I have time right at this moment."? I have a couple questions I would like answered, more than I have a couple people I want dead right now. Like the one I asked you. Something about the difference between you and Axle? Basically just a question to appear to make yourself look better to me. That's the one. Why are my interactions with gonzaw/chez/prplhz and discussions about them making you entirely sure I'm mafia, while they are inconclusive evidence as far as Adam is concerned?
Adam, or Axle?
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On January 31 2013 08:09 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 08:08 austinmcc wrote:On January 31 2013 07:57 yamato77 wrote:On January 31 2013 07:44 austinmcc wrote:On January 31 2013 07:42 yamato77 wrote:
Austin why are you being super active when we're talking about whether or not we should double lynch as opposed to when we talk about who we want to lynch?
Aren't there at least a couple people you want dead right now? For non-scummy reasons, like, "I have time right at this moment."? I have a couple questions I would like answered, more than I have a couple people I want dead right now. Like the one I asked you. Something about the difference between you and Axle? Basically just a question to appear to make yourself look better to me. That's the one. Why are my interactions with gonzaw/chez/prplhz and discussions about them making you entirely sure I'm mafia, while they are inconclusive evidence as far as Adam is concerned? Because you know more about what you're doing than Axle. And Axle's posts are far more difficult to decipher, so your association is more overt. How does knowing about what I'm doing factor into this, specifically? It sure doesn't make my reads right.
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On January 31 2013 08:11 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 08:08 austinmcc wrote:On January 31 2013 07:57 yamato77 wrote:On January 31 2013 07:44 austinmcc wrote:On January 31 2013 07:42 yamato77 wrote:
Austin why are you being super active when we're talking about whether or not we should double lynch as opposed to when we talk about who we want to lynch?
Aren't there at least a couple people you want dead right now? For non-scummy reasons, like, "I have time right at this moment."? I have a couple questions I would like answered, more than I have a couple people I want dead right now. Like the one I asked you. Something about the difference between you and Axle? Basically just a question to appear to make yourself look better to me. That's the one. Why are my interactions with gonzaw/chez/prplhz and discussions about them making you entirely sure I'm mafia, while they are inconclusive evidence as far as Adam is concerned? Adam, or Axle?
Axle**
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Alright, some points that caught my attention when reading through clarity and Adam's filters:
Clarity:
Runs for mayor based on a platform of being a townie townie and creating a good atmosphere D1. It actually kinda sounds like he's just running for "townie". Seems strange to emphasize one of your strengths D1 when town wants a mayor for more than just one day.
Promises Djo reads, never gave them. Not sure what we can draw from this, since he then disappeared after that. I think this is standing out to me because Djo was really suspicious of clarity and he died N1. He also questioned why Djo was asking so many question, which is kind of a weird thing to be suspicious of. However, Djo said clarity returned to his null zone, so I’m not sure what to think.
Adam:
Talks about relatively unimportant things instead of the important ones
Has some weird/weak reasons to find people townie
He doubted the chezinu lynch because chezinu followed the chezinu rule
Mosca seemed particularly suspicious of him because of how adam was deciding people were town, and he died last night (was he the only one? Marv commented on the reasoning, but he couldn't be killed.)
Then there's the ninja vote that I can't really take offense to (I did it, I'm pretty sure others did as well), but he WAS absent for about 34 hours before he returned to the thread with nothing to add
Right now, top scumreads are austin and adam. I think they're scummy apart, and I think their motivations seem to mesh really well together. (also possible scumslip? lol)
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Oh, and I'd change my vote to either of them off of axle if we could get a lynch today. But at this point it probably won't happen.
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EBWOP: ...and it's probably a bad idea anyway, since I don't think other people are as convinced as I am.
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Yea, Adam is being his lurky and relatively useless scumself, I think he should definitely be one of the lynches tomorrow.
Make sure to vote double lynch also guys!!!
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