EPTI've only been able to go through half of his filter yet, but he doesn't really scream scum to me.
Guess I know who to read up on tonight.
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zebezt
185 Posts
I've only been able to go through half of his filter yet, but he doesn't really scream scum to me. Guess I know who to read up on tonight. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
What screams scum about me over zara? You have said a lot of things about me but I have refuted them. Make a new case based on my filter and take off the rose colored glasses. Think about why I would do something as town, and why I would do it as scum. Read my past games if you have to.... your recent cases on me have just been saying I think jsl is scummier. | ||
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zebezt
185 Posts
If I were you and scum I might have chosen Acid as well, to throw off the scent. Seeing as you bring this defense up right away tells me you probably thought of this yourself too. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
Trotske (claimed DT with no counterclaim) Zebezt (confirmed town by Trotske) Shz Jacob Zarepath I am going to operate on the assumption that Trotske is DT, which seems a pretty good one to make right now. Considering that Shz hammered Mocsta when at least one other mafia was protecting Mocsta, I don't think he's mafia. I know that I'm town, so that leaves Jacob as mafia. The important thing to consider is that it's 4 to 1 (absent an SK who has done literally nothing all game; think that's safe to rule out now). If I get lynched today, it's 3 to 1 and then mafia bring it down to 2 to 1, and then we lynch Jacob tomorrow. So unless Shz is magically mafia (he was the first to really go after Mocsta for switching his vote to Mandalor at the last minute, he was critical of Mocsta's logic of killing Omni because he's protecting Laguerta (why not just kill Laguerta?), and hammered Mocsta), mafia lose no matter what. I think that mafia should surrender, and by mafia, I mean Jacob. I'm doing some filter work right now. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
Just assume there is an Sk. The most likely set up is two mafia. Now the Sk doesn't want to give himself away but as soon as two mafia die the first thing he would do is start killing people. See you are starting with the pretext of three mafia plus possible sk (which I find interesting in the fact you seem to know there are three mafia?) But it would probably be 2 mafia one sk. Now either you tunneled onto me because I am the easiest mislynch or you didn't think about it properly. In other words I think with doc being confirmed it is either a Mafia Zara or an Sk, Zeb. Because sk would turn up green to cop checks if he chose that ability. Now the reason I started to think about that was I realised despite having a lot against zeb I couldn't link him to mafia. (and initially I thought cop made him town) But what was interesting how he practically avoided every lynch. Without being part of mafia he wouldn't be saving or bandwagoning and without being town he wouldn't legitimately care. If shz is magically mafia I might kill myself. Now what is also interesting is something I found is zebs filter, while it is before the game starts it proves he would have thought about the win conditions for sk. On January 09 2013 20:34 zebezt wrote: How unfair, there is no coach for the person with the hardest role. On January 12 2013 04:55 zebezt wrote: Yeah, I thought about SK kill conditions alot as well too. Seems very hard. A last night with 4 people including a vigilante also could lead to a winning scenario. So he wouldn't have gone crazy killing people early on. Also would like to point out you haven't responded to my case on you. While being afk for most of the day is convenient it's not exactly helpful. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
Mocsta's last-minute switch onto Mandalor saved Laguerta (and he was one of the later people to go for Laguerta, probably after scum coach suggested bus for Laguerta's crazy bad play) . Mocsta's case on OE assumed Laguerta as scum, but suggested a lynch on OE first (which would potentially then clear Laguerta) Mocsta's case on Trotske, when his OE case doesn't pick up, ALSO argues that Trotske is over-protective of Laguerta and that there must be a relationship there. Zebezt brought up the point that Mocsta stated he was 100% sure Laguerta was scum but still wouldn't vote for him -- only Mafia know 100% sure about anybody's alignment. Mocsta was constantly suggesting that Laguerta was scum but never pushing for Laguerta to be lynched; in fact, he did all he could to avoid it. In fact, whenever he argued Laguerta was scummy, he did it in the same breath as saying that that was evidence for someone else to be lynched. When it appears Mocsta may be going down, he tells Sno_Man that town will need him to "pressure on laguerta." This seems like bait to me, something he hoped we would pick up once Mocsta flips scum -- "He wanted us to pressure Laguerta! Hah! Yeah right!" And then there is the fact that Laguerta/Jacob no-voted, under the premise that he didn't know that the lynch deadline was so soon. But look at the very first thing he says in this game: On January 17 2013 08:08 JacobStrangelove wrote: Heya! Sorry for not posting earlier I was sleeping/reading the thread. To be honest I am still kinda shell shocked from reading 30+ pages straight makes me almost glad for the lurkers... However I skim read a lot due to the lynch time being soon. He knew the lynch deadline was soon. Spag's Associations with Laguerta/Jacob If we look at associations with Spag, we see that Spag said literally NOTHING about Laguerta, and in fact never suspected him of lurking or anything. When Mocsta flips Godfather, his first response isn't to investigate Spag's reason for switching his vote, but to go after ME for my voting with Mocsta (which is fine; it deserved explanation, but he went after me first, and not after Spag.) When it's clear that Spag will be lynched, Jacob FoSes him for being a lurker (when Spag had clearly stated he wouldn't be around for a bit), and leaves his vote parked there when it's clear nothing will prevent a Spag lynch. But most of Jacob's energy that day was spent trying to poke holes in my case on Spag and trying to suggest that I am scummy or involved in a bus. When zebezt suggests that our RB should RB JAcob, what's Jacob's pro-town response? "No, dont' waste your RB, you should put it on a REAL scum read, like X, Y, or Z!" No, instead, it's "heh, sure thing." Town would not be satisfied with knowing that a night action is being wasted on them. On the night of the Spag lynch, Jacob really goes after myself and Zebezt, and has been after me all game without a single in-depth post of analysis. If he were really convinced I were scum, you'd think he'd do some actual investigation. When Jacob calls me out for busing, his arguments are that Acid and Shz ALSO thought it was a bus, that my lists were scummy, and that my arguments against Spag were timed scummily and made of wind. Note that he's hiding behind two townies for this, ignores the fact that I was the very first person to vote for Spag, and that my arguments were rigorous and, most of all, correct. And if he is so certain that I am scum, why does he even both suspecting zebezt near the end of the night? The consensus is that there's only one scum left, so if I'm scum, why is he suspecting other people as well? It's not that you can't suspect multiple people, but he's pretty dead-set on me from what I can tell. I'm convinced Jacob is scum mostly from process of elimination, as I know that I am town, but the preceding points cement my suspicions and will hopefully cement those of the rest of town. ##Vote JacobStrangelove | ||
shz
Germany2687 Posts
Even though Jacob's vote didn't seal the deal for Spag for 100%, this is still suspicious as it was 90% sure Spag would get killed that day. What I'm honestly baffled by is this: Why wasn't this caught earlier. This is actually a pretty big tell. On January 21 2013 21:40 JacobStrangelove wrote: Now what is also interesting is something I found is zebs filter, while it is before the game starts it proves he would have thought about the win conditions for sk. So he wouldn't have gone crazy killing people early on. Also would like to point out you haven't responded to my case on you. While being afk for most of the day is convenient it's not exactly helpful. Yes. But as long as there is no sign of an SK, don't fucking think about it. We will find out soon enough. If Jacob flips town this will get tricky, as zare and zebe are both equally town/scum at this point in my opinion. But, zeb is confirmed town as long as no one contradicts Trotskes claim, so zar should be the obvious choice next. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
First off I knew it was soon. Like 3 hours or so I didn’t think it was soon as in 1 hour. You are twisting the word soon in this case considering days are 48 hours long I think I am pretty alright in saying what I thought was going to be 2-3 hours soon. | ||
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shz
Germany2687 Posts
On January 21 2013 22:20 JacobStrangelove wrote: In the middle of my reply but I wanted to clear something up real quick. First off I knew it was soon. Like 3 hours or so I didn’t think it was soon as in 1 hour. You are twisting the word soon in this case considering days are 48 hours long I think I am pretty alright in saying what I thought was going to be 2-3 hours soon. We believe Trotstke is DT, right? So then, zebe is town too (we ignore SK for now). I'm town. This leaves you and zare. So why shouldn't we just lynch you both and be done with it? At the moment I think you are the better candidate so I would lynch you first. If you should tell the truth and be town, great, we just lynch zare and the game is takes a bit longer then needed. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
......... First off I knew it was soon. Like 3 hours or so I didn’t think it was soon as in 1 hour. You are twisting the word soon in this case considering days are 48 hours long I think I am pretty alright in saying what I thought was going to be 2-3 hours soon. I have already gone though many times about the no vote, think about it from both angles. No voting as mafia gets nothing. I already was thinking trotske was scum based off the post from acid if I was mafia I could have voted for him and got him lynched. Not to bring up the dead but acid said this in regards to trotske. I don't think I need to explain how a 4-3 ratio is stupidly more advantageous to scum than *maybe* getting a bit of town cred. Why would I do that to not gain any cred? If we look at associations with Spag, we see that Spag said literally NOTHING about Laguerta, and in fact never suspected him of lurking or anything. Was a lurking? I think I was one of the only people in discussion most of the time. When Mocsta flips Godfather, his first response isn't to investigate Spag's reason for switching his vote, but to go after ME for my voting with Mocsta (which is fine; it deserved explanation, but he went after me first, and not after Spag.) Your post explaining why you voted the way you did looked far worse than spags. He turned out to just be amazing with words. But he seemed at the time to give an explanation I couldn’t refute at least not immediately. When it's clear that Spag will be lynched, Jacob FoSes him for being a lurker (when Spag had clearly stated he wouldn't be around for a bit), and leaves his vote parked there when it's clear nothing will prevent a Spag lynch. But most of Jacob's energy that day was spent trying to poke holes in my case on Spag and trying to suggest that I am scummy or involved in a bus. When Jacob calls me out for busing, his arguments are that Acid and Shz ALSO thought it was a bus, that my lists were scummy, and that my arguments against Spag were timed scummily and made of wind. Note that he's hiding behind two townies for this, ignores the fact that I was the very first person to vote for Spag, and that my arguments were rigorous and, most of all, correct. I don’t remember it being clear he was going to be lynched I was one of the first people to go at him properly if I recall correctly. Can you link to me posting holes in your case all day? Yes I am not going to sit down and ignore everyone else, if I remember I was going after you and zeb when it got to the point where spag hadn’t been in the thread for like a year. What did you want me to do sit around and wait for lynch? (wait just saw shz post you actually voted for him first? I thought I was the first (apart from trotske) to vote for him.) So I am hiding behind two townies and spag... I mentioned that spag might have given away that you were scum by the fact your case was the easiest to refute. On the night of the Spag lynch, Jacob really goes after myself and Zebezt, and has been after me all game without a single in-depth post of analysis. If he were really convinced I were scum, you'd think he'd do some actual investigation. I don’t do single in depth often. You should know this if you took the time to read my previous games. I assume everyone has payed attention to my previous posts and remember the things I said about people being scummy. I am in depth but its spread over several pages as I work it all out. And if he is so certain that I am scum, why does he even both suspecting zebezt near the end of the night? The consensus is that there's only one scum left, so if I'm scum, why is he suspecting other people as well? It's not that you can't suspect multiple people, but he's pretty dead-set on me from what I can tell. I am fairly certain you are scum yes. But if I am wrong I need to find out. Which is why I have been going at zeb along side you. You are basically saying I can’t not know what is going on which is ridiculous. When zebezt suggests that our RB should RB JAcob, what's Jacob's pro-town response? "No, dont' waste your RB, you should put it on a REAL scum read, like X, Y, or Z!" No, instead, it's "heh, sure thing." Town would not be satisfied with knowing that a night action is being wasted on them. To be honest I was pretty frustrated by this point. It was the wrong thing to do though. Mocsta's last-minute switch onto Mandalor saved Laguerta (and he was one of the later people to go for Laguerta, probably after scum coach suggested bus for Laguerta's crazy bad play) . You are reading my filter but you obviously missed my replies to zeb, He could have thought oh Laguerta would be an easy kill later let’s kill the harder to lynch mandalor. Mocsta's case on OE assumed Laguerta as scum, but suggested a lynch on OE first (which would potentially then clear Laguerta) Mocsta's case on Trotske, when his OE case doesn't pick up, ALSO argues that Trotske is over-protective of Laguerta and that there must be a relationship there. Zebezt brought up the point that Mocsta stated he was 100% sure Laguerta was scum but still wouldn't vote for him -- only Mafia know 100% sure about anybody's alignment. Mocsta was constantly suggesting that Laguerta was scum but never pushing for Laguerta to be lynched; in fact, he did all he could to avoid it. In fact, whenever he argued Laguerta was scummy, he did it in the same breath as saying that that was evidence for someone else to be lynched. When it appears Mocsta may be going down, he tells Sno_Man that town will need him to "pressure on laguerta." This seems like bait to me, something he hoped we would pick up once Mocsta flips scum -- "He wanted us to pressure Laguerta! Hah! Yeah right!" This part is so wifom, you have to realise at this point he knew he was going down. Linking Trotske to Laguerta what does this give him? Saying to pressure me when he was going to flip scum is very wifom it could go both ways. Also using someone that looks scummy and likely to get mod killed is a good tool for making cases on other people. At that point in the game I was virtually mod killed. Why would he want to kill me when he could kill someone else and likely have me out of the game as well? I would like to point out Zara hasn't even responded to the arguments against him? Why do this? Can't he answer the questions? | ||
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zebezt
185 Posts
The way you are playing right now it seems like you are trying to cover yourself if zare gets lynched and all eyes turn to you on the next day. Yes I did spend time thinking about how to play SK pregame. This was because the win conditions were not framed correctly so it sounded like if there was only town and and an SK left town would have already won. This was not the intention though. In the setup as we have it now, I think the SK should try make a kill every night if he thinks he has a decent chance to get a scum. If I was SK, you'd be long dead. | ||
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zebezt
185 Posts
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zebezt
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
I am going to vote Zara now so people know where I stand, the reasons why are obvious just read my filter. When I wake up I will continue this. ##Vote zarepath | ||
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zebezt
185 Posts
There is no indication there is one. An SK benefits from eliminating people as fast as possible, as long as he does not end up with too many scum who can easily lynch him in the end. You are smart enough to know this. You are trying to make stories up. | ||
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Trotske
410 Posts
##Vote JacobStrangelove | ||
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zebezt
185 Posts
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zebezt
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
Vote Count! If your vote is not properly formatted it will not be counted. Everyone is required to vote. JacobStrangelove (3) - zarepath, zezbet, Trotske zarepath (1) - JacobStrangelove Not Voting (1) - shz Currently, JacobStangelove is set to be lynched! If you see that anyone's vote is incorrect then pm me. You have roughly 27 hours left to vote! Deadline is at 04:00 GMT (+00:00). | ||
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