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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 08 2013 02:51 GMT
#841
On January 08 2013 11:46 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 11:45 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:41 yamato77 wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:
CC's defense of his admittedly scummy okay this game is this:


On January 08 2013 05:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 08 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads


In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me.


I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you.


His main point is that I just "heap shit on weak players". I don't know how you'd like me to defend that, because it's true. Some people need shit heaped on them to start doing stuff. Most of it is based on my shitty stream post, which, as all indicates, heaps shit on players. I heap some shit here and there, it's all fine. I want answers. And if you have to dig your way out that's perfectly fine with me.

The thread has been pathetically inactive for how long the game has been going. If I have to make myself seem scummy to generate some sort of response, well here we have it.

Problem is, I haven't heard from players that are really concerning like SP or Yamato.


He says he has to be scummy because its the only way to move the thread forward. Again, how is this indicative of a town mindset? If he's town, why does he want to intentionally look scummy so that town wastes time and effort looking at him? No, he's much more likely to be scum baiting town into lynching him while thinking they won't because "scum wouldn't look so scummy".

Furthermore, how is his play supposed to generate useful discussion? This whole post looks like post-hoc rationalization, a trademark of scum behavior. If he wanted to move the thread forward meaningfully, why didn't he do so by actually making substantiated cases on his reads with evidence to back up his cutesy one-liners? Because he's full of shit and he knows it.


It took you an hour to dig up that? I am disappoint. If you really thought I was scum you would have had that in 10 minutes tops.

Oh, and you seemed to have missed the part where I said I wasn't intentionally looking scummy, it was just a bi-product of my shenanigans to get answers. You know, the post after that in my filter.

Try harder please, Yamato. Why am I scummy? This is just an extension of the "You aren't promoting useful discussion" argument.

Excuse me for having other things to do in my life besides prove to town that you are scum.

Are you going to do anything today besides defend yourself? Poorly,I might add.

I bring up plenty of points besides just the useful discussion point. You cannot deny it looks like straight up post-hoc rationale. You didn't intend to look scummy with your shit but now that you do and you realize people see it that way you're making up bullshit excuses for your shit play.

I'm dine with reading your useless posts. It is in town's best interest to see you hang.

##Vote: Mr Cheesecake


Weren't you accusing him of... not defending himself before?


Where is this exactly?


Oh that was DP. I dunno why, but I'm thinking of both of you as one entity for some reason.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2013 02:51 GMT
#842
On January 08 2013 11:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 11:48 yamato77 wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I know I just said I hate meta cases, but I think I've got a decent piece of meta here.

In both of our games together, we were both town. Yamato would always post quickly and fiercely to any pressure he received. His posting this game feels more structured and put together. It's taking him a long time to put stuff together. He doesn't feel like that town Yamato I know and loathe.

On January 08 2013 11:41 yamato77 wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:
CC's defense of his admittedly scummy okay this game is this:


On January 08 2013 05:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 08 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads


In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me.


I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you.


His main point is that I just "heap shit on weak players". I don't know how you'd like me to defend that, because it's true. Some people need shit heaped on them to start doing stuff. Most of it is based on my shitty stream post, which, as all indicates, heaps shit on players. I heap some shit here and there, it's all fine. I want answers. And if you have to dig your way out that's perfectly fine with me.

The thread has been pathetically inactive for how long the game has been going. If I have to make myself seem scummy to generate some sort of response, well here we have it.

Problem is, I haven't heard from players that are really concerning like SP or Yamato.


He says he has to be scummy because its the only way to move the thread forward. Again, how is this indicative of a town mindset? If he's town, why does he want to intentionally look scummy so that town wastes time and effort looking at him? No, he's much more likely to be scum baiting town into lynching him while thinking they won't because "scum wouldn't look so scummy".

Furthermore, how is his play supposed to generate useful discussion? This whole post looks like post-hoc rationalization, a trademark of scum behavior. If he wanted to move the thread forward meaningfully, why didn't he do so by actually making substantiated cases on his reads with evidence to back up his cutesy one-liners? Because he's full of shit and he knows it.


It took you an hour to dig up that? I am disappoint. If you really thought I was scum you would have had that in 10 minutes tops.

Oh, and you seemed to have missed the part where I said I wasn't intentionally looking scummy, it was just a bi-product of my shenanigans to get answers. You know, the post after that in my filter.

Try harder please, Yamato. Why am I scummy? This is just an extension of the "You aren't promoting useful discussion" argument.

Excuse me for having other things to do in my life besides prove to town that you are scum.

Are you going to do anything today besides defend yourself? Poorly,I might add.

I bring up plenty of points besides just the useful discussion point. You cannot deny it looks like straight up post-hoc rationale. You didn't intend to look scummy with your shit but now that you do and you realize people see it that way you're making up bullshit excuses for your shit play.

I'm dine with reading your useless posts. It is in town's best interest to see you hang.

##Vote: Mr Cheesecake


Now that's OMGUS.

As for the bolded; I'm not defending myself. I'm trying to feel your reasons for thinking I'm scum. DP has some decent ones. You do not. You can't even explain why my posts are "useless".

Lol you're fucking retarded for calling my vote on you OMGUS. I'm the one YOU responded to, remember? Who is the one making cases on the other? Your reasons for calling me scum are that my case on yoiu is "bad"? You've done nothing to prove that point aside from just saying it.

You're so scummy it's ridiculous.


I'm not calling you scum. Paranoid much?

Then what are you doing in this exchange? Posting more useless bullshit trying to not get yourself lynched.

Stop claiming scum.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2013 02:54 GMT
#843
EBWOP Also how is my vote an OMGUS vote if you're not calling me scum?

Man you're full of shit.
Writer@WriterYamato
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 08 2013 02:56 GMT
#844
@Hapa well lets see I made a case on ShaioPi, Sheeped your case on DP who i'm leaning town on, and then have been gunning for CC.

So that's two people I want to lynch.

Yamato why didnt you want to lynch CC earlier?
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 08 2013 02:57 GMT
#845
OMGUS can come from either alignment. I'm trying to get a feel for you and why you think I'm scum. Trying to see if you're genuine or not.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2013 02:58 GMT
#846
On January 08 2013 11:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
OMGUS can come from either alignment. I'm trying to get a feel for you and why you think I'm scum. Trying to see if you're genuine or not.

If you're not calling me scum then how is there anything for me to OMGUS you for?

You're full of shit. Die scum.
Writer@WriterYamato
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 08 2013 02:59 GMT
#847
On January 08 2013 11:58 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 11:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
OMGUS can come from either alignment. I'm trying to get a feel for you and why you think I'm scum. Trying to see if you're genuine or not.

If you're not calling me scum then how is there anything for me to OMGUS you for?

You're full of shit. Die scum.


Town can OMGUS one another. It happens all the time lol. Calm yourself.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 08 2013 02:59 GMT
#848
@Hapa

There I got Yamato to post some more. What are your thoughts on him? Is he genuine with his reasoning? I'm having a difficult time considering I know him fairly well. Can you provide some insight? I know you were lurking you devil.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2013 03:01 GMT
#849
On January 08 2013 11:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 11:58 yamato77 wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
OMGUS can come from either alignment. I'm trying to get a feel for you and why you think I'm scum. Trying to see if you're genuine or not.

If you're not calling me scum then how is there anything for me to OMGUS you for?

You're full of shit. Die scum.


Town can OMGUS one another. It happens all the time lol. Calm yourself.

OMGUS implies you are doing something I am responding with an OMGUS to. If you aren't calling me scum then how is my vote on you OMGUS at all?

But apparently you aren't, so it's not OMGUS, which means you're just spouting shit out of your mouth like I said you were.

Die scum.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2013 03:04 GMT
#850
On January 08 2013 11:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Hapa

There I got Yamato to post some more. What are your thoughts on him? Is he genuine with his reasoning? I'm having a difficult time considering I know him fairly well. Can you provide some insight? I know you were lurking you devil.

More of this post-hoc rationale.

You're scum bro.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 08 2013 03:07 GMT
#851
On January 08 2013 11:56 jaybrundage wrote:
@Hapa well lets see I made a case on ShaioPi, Sheeped your case on DP who i'm leaning town on, and then have been gunning for CC.

So that's two people I want to lynch.

Yamato why didnt you want to lynch CC earlier?


Four people actually:
On January 07 2013 08:19 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok can we lynch cc now

On January 07 2013 08:23 jaybrundage wrote:
That was so badddddddddddddddddd. I was gonna go reread Xaltos posting cause the more i looked at him the more i could see townie. Like we lynched him when he wasnt even here. I only see a scum driven wagon when I look at the votes.

Hapa questions do you think that both of the scum could of been on that wagon.

Do you think it was scummy as fuck for what Zentor and Yamato did. Hammaring with out talking to the town first is terrible we should all b agreeing on shit. Not do rash dumb actons

On January 08 2013 11:15 jaybrundage wrote:
I would be done for a Shaiopi lynch.

Also DP why would you think im scum. If CC comes up as scum. Pushing your partner hard when there is only 2 scum is pretty stupid


Also, at what point did you start leaning town on DP? I can't identify a single point in your filter where you call DP town.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 08 2013 03:07 GMT
#852
Yamato this is fucking absurd. Repeatedly screaming "die scum" at someone is the most useless fucking thing you can do.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2013 03:09 GMT
#853
On January 08 2013 12:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato this is fucking absurd. Repeatedly screaming "die scum" at someone is the most useless fucking thing you can do.

Then lynch him so I don't have to be ingratiated with his useless, scummy presence.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 08 2013 03:09 GMT
#854
I need you (Yamato) to calmly and carefully lay out why you think CC is scum. Because the argument between the both of you has devolved to the point where it's no longer productive.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2013 03:11 GMT
#855
On January 08 2013 12:09 Hapahauli wrote:
I need you (Yamato) to calmly and carefully lay out why you think CC is scum. Because the argument between the both of you has devolved to the point where it's no longer productive.

Read my fucking posts. It's all there. If you don't agree with me I don't give a shit.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 08 2013 03:20 GMT
#856
On January 08 2013 12:11 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:09 Hapahauli wrote:
I need you (Yamato) to calmly and carefully lay out why you think CC is scum. Because the argument between the both of you has devolved to the point where it's no longer productive.

Read my fucking posts. It's all there. If you don't agree with me I don't give a shit.


I've read your posts. Here's a summary of every reason why you think CC is scum:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112&currentpage=39#775
1) CC hasn't called you scum and is defending you. Therefore he's scum.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112&currentpage=40#788
2) Mr.CC is OMGUSing you

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112&currentpage=40#793
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112&currentpage=42#831
3) Mr.CC wants town to be suspicious of him // Mr.CC is "baiting" you into tunneling him

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112&currentpage=42#835
4) Mr.CC is only defending himself



That's your entire case, and it's fucking insane.
#1 and #2 are completely null-tells.
#3 is a HUGE town-tell
#4 is a null tell, and is actually false, considering he's been doing much more than defending himself in the last few pages.

Have you ever considered that you're really really bad at reading Mr.CC? Have you ever gotten a read right on him?
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 08 2013 03:21 GMT
#857
You know, guys.

We could lynch somebody right now.

c:
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 08 2013 03:22 GMT
#858
Cousin, who doth thou wish to lynch?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2013 03:23 GMT
#859
On January 08 2013 12:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:11 yamato77 wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:09 Hapahauli wrote:
I need you (Yamato) to calmly and carefully lay out why you think CC is scum. Because the argument between the both of you has devolved to the point where it's no longer productive.

Read my fucking posts. It's all there. If you don't agree with me I don't give a shit.


I've read your posts. Here's a summary of every reason why you think CC is scum:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112&currentpage=39#775
1) CC hasn't called you scum and is defending you. Therefore he's scum.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112&currentpage=40#788
2) Mr.CC is OMGUSing you

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112&currentpage=40#793
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112&currentpage=42#831
3) Mr.CC wants town to be suspicious of him // Mr.CC is "baiting" you into tunneling him

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112&currentpage=42#835
4) Mr.CC is only defending himself



That's your entire case, and it's fucking insane.
#1 and #2 are completely null-tells.
#3 is a HUGE town-tell
#4 is a null tell, and is actually false, considering he's been doing much more than defending himself in the last few pages.

Have you ever considered that you're really really bad at reading Mr.CC? Have you ever gotten a read right on him?

How is wanting town to be suspicious of you a town tell? The best advice I've ever been given about being town is to get out of the way of the scumhunt. He can't even manage to do that.

Apparently everyone thinks I'm bad regardless of what I do but I'm putting my case out there. As I said, I don't really give a shit if you agree with me or not because I think he's scum.
Writer@WriterYamato
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 08 2013 03:26 GMT
#860
Yamato I think you misunderstand. I'm not wanting town to be suspicious of me. It just happened and I'm rolling with it, but I'm not going to dwell on people thinking I'm scum. People being suspect of me is just a bi-product of my shenanigans.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
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