EPTBH, your case on me is pretty much exactly what I expected except worse. I have already explained in detail why I made the post you quoted but you ignored that part of my filter in favor of the one post where I realize I made a mistake, which you characterize as a scum "backing off". If that is the most convincing material you think exists then you should reevaluate your thoughts on my play.
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yamato77
11589 Posts
BH, your case on me is pretty much exactly what I expected except worse. I have already explained in detail why I made the post you quoted but you ignored that part of my filter in favor of the one post where I realize I made a mistake, which you characterize as a scum "backing off". If that is the most convincing material you think exists then you should reevaluate your thoughts on my play. | ||
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Darkfirex5
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 16 2012 02:53 Darkfirex5 wrote: After reading Sandroba's filter several times, based upon him geting killed last night, it seemed he was cracking down on Risen the most as well as keeping Yamato in check. But ultimately Sandroba was really grinding on Risen's posts and making good analysis. Based on the facts of what Sandroba was saying and the fact that mafia killed him indicates to me he was a threat to Risen. FOS: Risen -and on a minor note, i can't determine to what extent he was indicating scum--> Yamato and Bh. There is a dispute between the two... sorta. Currently im thinking that Bh is less scummy because Risen questioned his judgement on the vote on Yamato. Yeah well sure that may be "town-play" but if i'm going out on the idea that Risen is the scummiest and there has been minor protection between the two... well then, Yamato is now under my suspicion as well. ((no but really read the Sand filter several times. I looked at how mafia wanted to shut him up, which is only reason he died first night. Note the people he was causing problems for, those people are most likely are scum)) As to the bolded part: how do you know that the only reason he did is because mafia wanted to shut him up? There are lots of reasons for killing someone, especially such a strong town player as sandroba. So your assertion that he was killed because of the people he was suspicious of is strange. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Also another small point: he was advocating swapping lurkers so that they aren't around on lynch day, yet he hasn't been lurking himself. If he was scum, and that plan got put into action, he would have wanted to be the person swapped around a lot. | ||
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Keirathi
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
My assertion: I looked at what Sand was saying and he was making good points keeping people in check. So me taking the hunch that he was onto something about geting scum.Then mafia killing him because he was saying things that were threatening to their saftey? What say you then? Is there a "more-likely" reason on why they killed him? Granted you said, he was a strong town player. With that don't you think he was making strong town points in this game? Anyway, i'd like to hear why you think he was killed if it was not for him making points and geting close to labeling scum. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 16 2012 03:30 Darkfirex5 wrote: If you are saying that he was killed not because of the points he was making, well what do you think it would be hm? It was, oh this guy was talking and he is known to be good, let's kill him. Do i not understand this game at all where mafia would kill the biggest threat to them? That meaning the person (sand) making the most points on them calling them out? My assertion: I looked at what Sand was saying and he was making good points keeping people in check. So me taking the hunch that he was onto something about geting scum.Then mafia killing him because he was saying things that were threatening to their saftey? What say you then? Is there a "more-likely" reason on why they killed him? Granted you said, he was a strong town player. With that don't you think he was making strong town points in this game? Anyway, i'd like to hear why you think he was killed if it was not for him making points and geting close to labeling scum. My point is, as scum you kill strong town players no matter how close they are to being "right". There's a reason people like Marv/Palmar/sandro/syllogism/etc are killed night 1 every game, no matter how good their day 1 reads are. So yea, you saying that the only reason he was killed was solely because of his day 1 reads is strange. | ||
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yamato77
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
Is there more to discuss? I was geting at how sand more likey making posts against scum which is why he was killed. Then possibly take his acusations and link them to discussion now. (On phone ill try to be checking in) | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On December 16 2012 03:44 Darkfirex5 wrote: I disagree with that, let's say sand was completely wrong and was acusing townies, wouldn't it be better to have him alive to continue creating false acusations. Also sand isnt the only vet here... (Me speaking as if i have played more than 2 mafia games and i know who the vets are) Is there more to discuss? I was geting at how sand more likey making posts against scum which is why he was killed. Then possibly take his acusations and link them to discussion now. (On phone ill try to be checking in) No, because eventually Sand will get it right and nail the whole scum team. The longer you leave good town players alive the more time they have to get their reads right, which they will do eventually. | ||
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
Are u hinting that i shouldn't be reading his posts? It just seems like u guys are trying deter me from puting what he said to use. I maintain the fos on risen while i await his comments. | ||
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yamato77
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 16 2012 04:18 Darkfirex5 wrote: Gah, ooc knowledge. -_- Are u hinting that i shouldn't be reading his posts? It just seems like u guys are trying deter me from puting what he said to use. I maintain the fos on risen while i await his comments. Of course not. His reads are important. But assuming that he was killed solely because of his reads is a recipe for disaster. Maybe he was right, maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was killed because he was right, maybe he was killed just because of his reputation. All we know is that he was killed, and that he was town. | ||
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yamato77
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yamato77
11589 Posts
If you are keeping up with this thread, who do you think we should lynch? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 16 2012 03:42 yamato77 wrote: Keir what do you think about Risen? Do you have any scum reads? I'm having a tough time deciding about Risen. A lot of his play feels scummy. But in both of the games I've played with town Risen, he's felt scummy too (granted, one of those times, I was scum and pushed for his mislynch). And the only scum game of his that I've read was Chrono, which he wasn't actually very scummy in. And as far as scum reads....none that I feel really good about. Mementoss is my gut feel right now, but I'm on my phone so its a bit hard to make a case right now. I'll be back to my computer in a few hours, and write something up. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
With that I will be off at work for ten hours. Hopefully people start actually posting by then. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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yamato77
11589 Posts
OK last post. Gotta go for real this time. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
First, he immediately starts off with reads.(link). Poorly supported reads, but reads. He's not afraid to speak his mind. He calls out Yamato's plan for what it is, also (link) which scum Risen doesn't really have a motivation to do. His attack on me (link), misguided though it is, wouldn't be done by scum D1 when giving scumreads on people in this thread was uncommon. Why stick your neck out for no reason? The biggest reason people dislike him right now is he had a scumread on Sandro. Although the reasoning for his scumread on Sandro and his scumread on me (that I changed my mind a lot) was bad, he was discussing it with the thread and actively changed his read on sandro and mementoss when he encountered new arguments and evidence. In fact, it's more evidence for being town. We're not lynching Risen today, whether he likes me or not, because he's been playing like a damn townie. On December 16 2012 04:27 Keirathi wrote: Of course not. His reads are important. But assuming that he was killed solely because of his reads is a recipe for disaster. Maybe he was right, maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was killed because he was right, maybe he was killed just because of his reputation. All we know is that he was killed, and that he was town. Although we can't assume Sandro's reads are correct, we CAN assume they're town-motivated, and reasonably well thought out, since it's Sandro. As a general rule I don't speculate about night kills because it's very WIFOM-ey but it can be done right. Sandro doesn't stick out to me as an unusual NK though since besides Palmar or Marv he's the best player here. I'll sit down with his filter and go over his thoughts on other players and see if I agree. | ||
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