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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
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yamato77
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On December 12 2012 13:39 Risen wrote: Scum reads thus far are bh and Sandro. BH is classic useless presence and sandro said he would be lurking then didnt lurk. I'll be voting for myself. ##vote: Risen First post in the game. Real. Let's come in the thread, late, and make a one-liner post throwing suspicion on two players. On December 13 2012 03:39 Risen wrote: EBWOP: Damnit... My comments are pretty shit except yamato comes into the thread and points out more useless nonsense from sandroba. Meanwhile BH hasn't actually done anything. His opinions shift with the thread without real explanation and he's straight done an about face on his point of not being able to lynch the person we swap without addressing it. + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2012 09:54 Blazinghand wrote: Ugh no you're so wrong ok let me explain for you: 1) today we swap someone 2) tomorrow we lynch someone, and that person necessarily CANNOT BE THE GUY WE SWAPPED So, if we swap a player we cannot lynch him, therefore we swap townies, not scum. On December 12 2012 13:04 Blazinghand wrote: All these weird swap plans that aren't like "lynch scum, swap town" are bad. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hBbE3l.jpg) On December 12 2012 13:09 Blazinghand wrote: Exactly! Yamato77 knows what's up. If we swap a townie, we're more likely to hit scum with our lynch statistically. On December 12 2012 13:13 Blazinghand wrote: Oh also I'd be comfortable sending Sandro over. His ideas are bad but scum wouldn't come out swinging with a plan like that. I think he genuinely believes it's a good plan, and it's not like it's a plan that would be construed as good but secretly give scum an advantage-- it's just sub-optimal. Treating our vote here like a lynch vote would also stimulate discussion, as he mentioned. This strikes me as town motivated, and a town motivated explanation. I'd still prefer me but Sandro is acceptable as a swap candidate. On December 12 2012 13:45 Blazinghand wrote: Hm, actually that's a good point. If BOTH SIDES choose to swap scum, we maximize scum lynching and will never be lynching into a pool of confirmed townies. I've changed my mind, Sandro's plan is excellent if it works like this: All sides swap scum, all sides lynch scum. It avoids the "lynching confirmed town" scenario and will confirm townies the quickest. If we get a majority of people in both houses to sign on this will be great. His third post contains what you might call his "case" on BH which is basically just pointing out that BH changed his mind about the swap theory. If changing your mind is a scum trait, then Risen has us covered. On December 13 2012 03:49 Risen wrote: Scratch Sand as my second scum read. It's now Mementoss. "However, your presence in the thread to push discussion into find scum lynch mode, makes me think you are town." 1) Town doesn't give town reads, and no one asked for your opinion on sandro anyways. 2) Soft defends BH "BH has been spamming quiet a bit, but at least it is getting the thread going" 3) "It could have easily come from a townie who didn't think the consequences through" in reference to Sand's plan. So maybe it's Sand/Mementoss team, but I don't think so. The thing against Sand, and a town Mementoss would know this, is that he's smarter than that. He wouldn't come in and post that plan as town. This shouldn't be a point in Sand's favor, it should be a point against it. Regardless, lynch Mementoss tomorrow, then deal with blazinghand or sand. On December 13 2012 03:53 Risen wrote: If you look at my posting in Chrono Trigger you'll know I wasn't active lurking and just got to the thread. You know TheChronicler is my smurf, why didn't you think to look there? I haven't posted there either. Also note that Mementoss posted a minute before me, that's not active lurking. Why are you trying to muddy up the situation like this? A town sandroba wouldn't ask for others opinions on me, he'd just say "Risen is scum because X" and a town Sandroba wouldn't forward a horrible plan, and finally a town Sandroba wouldn't accuse me of active lurking without checking to see if I had posted in Chrono or anywhere else on the site. I thought it had to be BH as MT's partner, but I guess I was wrong. Mementoss/Sandroba scum team in this thread. With his next two posts he decides to swap his scum team read to Mementoss/BH, and then Sandroba/Mementoss. His "case" on Mementoss is just some weak association bullshit with BH because he "soft-defended" him. His switch back to Sand seems almost entirely OMGUS-based, because it came in response to Sandroba calling him out for his actions up to that point in the game. On December 13 2012 03:55 Risen wrote: There's also another way Sand could have checked to see if I was actually here or not, but I guess I can't comment on that quite yet. The more and more I think about it, the more convinced I am that he's scum. Confirmation bias, GO! On December 13 2012 04:00 Risen wrote: And now he's extremely defensive and using mean words. That's not town Sandroba. More blatant OMGUS by Risen in response to Sandroba. It's worth mentioning that he keeps calling Sandroba scum without actually backing up this read with anything solid besides the IDEA that this isn't his town meta, which he never provides any evidence for. On December 13 2012 05:04 Risen wrote: I hate comments like these. Why are you trying to guide people's conversation? I see no town motivation for posts like these. This post in particular is pretty scummy because he's throwing doubt on Sandro's alignment for a post that is completely town motivated. Sandro wants Foolish, a player who hasn't contributed anything meaningful all game, to explain his thoughts behind a post where he throws shit at Sandro, Risen, and I for "throwing doubt". I made a more blunt response to the same post. How is there no town motivation in trying to get Foolish to post On December 13 2012 08:40 Risen wrote: Makes me think marv is scum who tried to bait someone into voting him. Other reasons I won't talk about right now, too. More throwing doubt on other players, only this time it is Marv, and his reasoning is yet more terrible. How could Marv have baited Foolish with his two posts? Either Risen didn't read the thread AT ALL or he's pulling shit out of his ass and throwing it at people to see what sticks. On December 15 2012 10:15 Risen wrote: I'm so confused. Bh I don't see how you could think Yamato is the lynch over mementoss And lastly we have his latest post, still devoid of content and still with unexplained reads. Now normally I wouldn't say this is very damning, but consider that I posted the majority of this guy's filter. No cherry picking here, I literally took every meaningful post he made (and some not so meaningful), and laid them out. Does this make you think of a town player? Not only is the guy lurking hardcore, but his posts are full of "scum reads" that he never really explains. Everything I didn't quote was him making a one-liner comment about something completely irrelevant. And then there's the fact that his "most explained" scum read in the game, and main accuser, happened to just flip town. Now his posting leaves EVEN MORE to be desired because his trivializing of Sandroba's accusations against him was obviously meaningless. That was town sandroba calling him out, and everything he said he meant. I'll sheep Sandroba. ##Vote (iGrok) Risen | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On December 15 2012 14:40 Darkfirex5 wrote: So... we don't know how Palmer and Foolishness got swaped then? Anyone do anything to cause that? Marv said it might be his warprift of timedoom or whatever. | ||
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yamato77
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Clarity_nl
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yamato77
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
The Rift has reached Stage 222 Destabilization! And now for our latest message: The Rift has reached Stage 333 Destabilization! | ||
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yamato77
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Darkfire is scum too. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
On December 15 2012 15:34 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah but then Blazing said he would so I became lazy. Yeah yeah I'm on it one sec | ||
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yamato77
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
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yamato77
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yamato77
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
1) bad lurker swap policy - this is basically what scum wants, to cause confusion and deny town the ability to use their tools effectively. This is a minor point because it's entirely possible he's just a profoundly misinformed town player. I don't like it though. I don't like people who push bad plans, and I don't like people who are stubborn about it. 2) I don't like his attack on sandro early in the game. It's not that he made an attack on sandro (though it seemed reasonably clear at the time that sandro was town) but rather, how he phrased it. Take a look: On December 13 2012 06:11 yamato77 wrote: And as for Sandroba, I am disappointed that's player with reputation as a really good town player would be so shitty day1. You are almost as bad as Risen with your negative language but at least you seem cooperative when I ask you questions. So, do you honestly think Risen's play right now is scum because I definitely see zero town motivation in throwing around this much suspicion this early in the game on the most active players- This isn't productive, this is an attempt to look like an attack and test the waters for pushing later without a real commitment. What does yamato really say about Sandro OR Risen here? Nothing. Mementoss calls him out for some inconsistency and this is his defense: On December 13 2012 06:30 yamato77 wrote: Good job twisting my post. I try to make a constructive post about how these two could stop being stupid and suddenly I'm getting picked apart for being hypocritical? My negative language is DESCRIBING their negativity, if you couldn't read properly. Furthermore, my scum read on Risen isn't solely based on the fact that he is only attacking active players, it is that he has posted nothing constructive at all. It was easy enough to discern this from my post but instead of taking it for what it said, you twisted it into something else entirely. Why would town do that? Again we have indirectness from Yamato77, and insight into his scum mindset. Imagine you're town and someone says you said something you didn't. Well you'd say "ah hah he is misinterpreting me on purpose because he is scum" and "or he has in fact made a mistake as town". Look how he ends his post: a question he should know the answer to, which is why town would misinterpret. He doesn't phrase it as a legitimate search for truth but an attack. And when people call yamato out on it? On December 13 2012 12:46 yamato77 wrote: Looking back, this was a gigantic waste of time. I should have just ignored Mementoss. backs off. His play today is worse, and confirms my read. His case on Risen (link) calls out Risen for playing scum when in fact Risen is acting quite townlike. Risen busts into the thread D1 with two reads (albeit with short reasonings). He's open with his thinking process and actively questions things and tries to find out reads (like asking me about why i'm voting yamato77 instead of mementoss). All of this says to me Risen is town. How does Yamato read this as scum? He's calling Risen out for doing town things and claiming it's scum. He's got no case on his darkfire read, hasn't weighed in substantively on memntoss despite his long interaction with him yesterday, and generally seems more interested in making a case and appearing active than pushing it from a town mentality. This mentailty could only come from scum. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
Anyways I killed foolishness last cycle. Not sure why he isn't dead yet. ##vote (iGrok) Mementoss | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I'm scared of touching foolish or austin as I'm not sure what happened to Palmar's thing. Any thoughts? (both worlds) | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
FOS: Risen -and on a minor note, i can't determine to what extent he was indicating scum--> Yamato and Bh. There is a dispute between the two... sorta. Currently im thinking that Bh is less scummy because Risen questioned his judgement on the vote on Yamato. Yeah well sure that may be "town-play" but if i'm going out on the idea that Risen is the scummiest and there has been minor protection between the two... well then, Yamato is now under my suspicion as well. ((no but really read the Sand filter several times. I looked at how mafia wanted to shut him up, which is only reason he died first night. Note the people he was causing problems for, those people are most likely are scum)) | ||
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
While now you do vote for the person i saw as the scummiest... i'm going to have to run through BH's posts again. BH did have a few scummy points from Sand, thus he could be the scum here and you would be my fellow pro-town. Gah, now i have to go back and re-evaluate. It's now Yamato vs BH Yamato vs Risen you being active and seeming like the lone townie fighting against the possible mafia elements... well bah. I'll give you a bit more cred yamato over BH now. Stll keeping the FOS on Risen. | ||
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