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Response to austinmcc,
With the lynch day i hope to be able to grind out some useful information to mark more scum; with the potentially increased concentration of mafia in iGrok. I have to wait for people to write on this thread though and hopefully a good discussion can get get rolling D2.
((austin feel free to continue to throw questions at me/ things you think should be brought up on this world for d2 it helps me talk and think better... i write thoughts and then directly answer the question helps me :3))
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Austin being called town is rather dumb. His use of his power and all of his play up to this point gives me no reason to think he's town. Nor am I entirely convinced he even has a power. His choices for "confirmed not anti-town" seem odd. The fact that it worked and people suddenly only focused on those he hadn't mentioned in his objection directly resulted in the stupidity involved in thinking Ken was "the best lynch".
I liked Marv's initial critique of Austin's play. That being said, I don't like how Marv repeated the same statement over and over and then dropped his read on him just to vote for Ken, a lynch that made no sense. Why Marv would act this way and not actually reference specific parts of Austin's play is perplexing. I had a town read on him but now I'm not so sure. His "town case" on himself is pretty laughable because I think he knows everyone believes scum Marv capable of a play such as the one he details, much more so because of the lack of an actual flip.
I think it can be unilaterally agreed upon that Clarity and Palmar's actions also had a hand in this mess. If one flips scum I wouldn't doubt the other one is too. That is, if they are being entirely truthful about their abilities. As it stands I don't see why neither one would mention in the thread that they intended to do what they did before doing it, and I think Palmar's little slap on the wrist critique of Clarity's actions and his subsequent explanation for his are weak. I have to believe that both of them were playing sub-optimally and that neither put any thought into potential side effects of their actions to accept the reality they put forth, which seems a lot less likely than some coordinated act from scum to get Foolishness out of a lynch and cause enough confusion to get a mislynch, which is exactly what happened. I don't buy Clarity's defense nor am I particularly motivated to by his refusal to give town more information about his swapping ability, such as if he can reverse the mess he has made somewhat and give town a good shot at a solid day 2 lynch in this thread.
Overall I am certain scum had a hand in what happened. Perhaps at every point of this mess but at least at one. To deny this is to assert that town played stupid ALL of day 1 on their own which is a likelihood I consider to be minute. These are the actions that look the most suspicious to me and are the ones I believe need more explaining. As it stands I believe Foolishness is obvious lynch candidate #1 because of his continued refusal to do anything even remotely pro-town in favor if being a dumbass. The results of his dubious vote/night action on me are yet to be determined but I would not be surprised if they were negative. I make this post in the event that I do die because my role offers me no personal protection to this.
If anyone finds fault with what I've said feel free to disagree, but do so with logic instead of stupid accusations that serve no purpose other than to incite pointless discussion about their intent *coughmementosscough*
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Also before someone asks, I would have lynched Dieno over Ken but I am admittedly less familiar with his filter then I would like seeing as I had no actual vote. I focused my limited time at work the past eight hours in keeping up with this thread which had little activity other than comments I could only read out of context. Austin was also potentially a good lynch but only Marv was interested in that and his play regarding his suspicions of Austin are not encouraging, as I mentioned before.
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Also if you feel the need to read a case on Foolish, just click the filter links for he and I and see for yourself.
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@Palmar
Do you read this thread? If so do you mind responding to my thoughts on your play?
I know you vets like to ignore noobs like me but I think it's a valid concern. Why wouldn't you say in the thread that you made this link when you did it? Didn't it occur to you at the time someone might have a swap power and use it today? I don't like believing in the coincidence of what happened with Foolish. It seems too convenient.
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Remember to send all actions to both myself and GreYMisT, and to send Mr.Wiggles a "Good luck on your finals" pm!
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On December 14 2012 11:39 yamato77 wrote:It's useless posts like these that make it easier for scum to look like they actually have thoughts. What definition of the word useful do you use because in the accepted denotation, one actually has to do something to be called useful. By that metric Foolishness is by far the least useful person. unless you somehow think his stupid play in the other thread was beneficial to town which is pretty questionable.
Have you had a useful post yet? Everything you post is a huge troll
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On December 14 2012 12:05 Darkfirex5 wrote: Response to what yamato just said.
My thoughts on what you just said:
With that in mind, i feel that i will keep an eye on Mementoss to see if he can prove Townie to us or if he will try to derail the lynch on Foolishness or throw him under the bus.
Awaiting peoples comments~
The only thing I remember you posting was your claim that put red text in the thread, and your role explaination being different everytime you tried to explain it? We will wait see if you slip more, to tell if your really full of shit and scum.
PS: I dont need to prove Im townie to you. I need to lynch scum for tomorrow, and that will be my focus.
Also did you even bother to look up Foolishness' meta? Dude usually lurks hard day 1, so that he wont be shot night 1 and can use the extra information day 2 to finger scum. Do I nessecarily think hes town red? No. Do I think hes scum read? No. I will have to judge more by his day 2 play if he is alive.
Also its great that Risen and Darkfire happen to come and throw shit at everyone after the deadline, when they lurked forever and didn't give the other world any input, than blame them for not doing what they would do themselves.
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On December 14 2012 16:01 yamato77 wrote: Austin being called town is rather dumb. His use of his power and all of his play up to this point gives me no reason to think he's town. Nor am I entirely convinced he even has a power. His choices for "confirmed not anti-town" seem odd. The fact that it worked and people suddenly only focused on those he hadn't mentioned in his objection directly resulted in the stupidity involved in thinking Ken was "the best lynch".
I liked Marv's initial critique of Austin's play. That being said, I don't like how Marv repeated the same statement over and over and then dropped his read on him just to vote for Ken, a lynch that made no sense. Why Marv would act this way and not actually reference specific parts of Austin's play is perplexing. I had a town read on him but now I'm not so sure. His "town case" on himself is pretty laughable because I think he knows everyone believes scum Marv capable of a play such as the one he details, much more so because of the lack of an actual flip.
I think it can be unilaterally agreed upon that Clarity and Palmar's actions also had a hand in this mess. If one flips scum I wouldn't doubt the other one is too. That is, if they are being entirely truthful about their abilities. As it stands I don't see why neither one would mention in the thread that they intended to do what they did before doing it, and I think Palmar's little slap on the wrist critique of Clarity's actions and his subsequent explanation for his are weak. I have to believe that both of them were playing sub-optimally and that neither put any thought into potential side effects of their actions to accept the reality they put forth, which seems a lot less likely than some coordinated act from scum to get Foolishness out of a lynch and cause enough confusion to get a mislynch, which is exactly what happened. I don't buy Clarity's defense nor am I particularly motivated to by his refusal to give town more information about his swapping ability, such as if he can reverse the mess he has made somewhat and give town a good shot at a solid day 2 lynch in this thread.
Overall I am certain scum had a hand in what happened. Perhaps at every point of this mess but at least at one. To deny this is to assert that town played stupid ALL of day 1 on their own which is a likelihood I consider to be minute. These are the actions that look the most suspicious to me and are the ones I believe need more explaining. As it stands I believe Foolishness is obvious lynch candidate #1 because of his continued refusal to do anything even remotely pro-town in favor if being a dumbass. The results of his dubious vote/night action on me are yet to be determined but I would not be surprised if they were negative. I make this post in the event that I do die because my role offers me no personal protection to this.
If anyone finds fault with what I've said feel free to disagree, but do so with logic instead of stupid accusations that serve no purpose other than to incite pointless discussion about their intent *coughmementosscough*
I can agree with some of your thoughts here actually.
I had a decent town-read on austin pre claim as I said, then his way of directing things befoer the lynch was pretty bad. But at least he was trying to get consilidation. I think thats a town quality. I don't trust him 100% though.
Marv dropped his read on austin because there was 30 minutes left and he didn't want a no lynch. I don't have a doubt in my mind that marv will push the austin lynch again when he can, either tomorrow if austin gets swaped somehow, Or the next day.
I don't think that clarity and Palmar are scum together. That would be pretty damn sloppy to do that and fuck up the towns lynch, its got scum motivation written all over it, but it coulda brought total unessecary heat to themselves because they did not discuss it with the thread. The only reason getting thsi heat would be worth the risk is to save scum on the chopping block, and since there is only 2 scum per world, they couldn't have been working together to save a town foolishness. If anything scum would be happy to mis lynch a town foolishness day one, so there is no reason for them to bring eyes to them to save a good mislynch.
Why do you think scum had a hand in the lynch? It was more like town inactivity and everyone sheeped a foolishness vote, and once he was gone they were like shit I have nothing to talk about. Austin comes out with objection to give town a stepping stone, and people werent around.
The only problem I have with this post is the following. Your putting suspicions on like a quarter of the game, and don't seem to be solid on any. It gives you lots of wiggle room to just go and sheep and change your mind tomorrow when its important. You put suspicion on austin, marv, clarity, palmar, and foolishness all in this one post. Your giving yourselfs outs bby not really fulling committing to a few solid reads. And I don't see the town motivation in calling everyone scum. The scum motivation, is you want people off your back, aka me.
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Also, I will be in a tournament away this weekend, maybe be back before deadline to discuss the lynch fully.
So this is what I will try to do, give initial read early and place a vote. Than continue to hopefully have time for one decent analysis post per day, and maybe get back before deadline and discuss last minute alterations that might occur.
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With the minor defense on foolishness, if we were to consider it i need to seem him post something here that indicates a better pick for lynching scum. Also what was that ability you used marv?
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I think yamato wall of posts is not how I remember yamato at all from his newbie.
With how the situation with me and Palmar turned out, I am certain that he is town. I see no reason for a scum Palmar to explain what happened after it did. This also means that I did not mean to swap foolishness over, so if I'm scum I did not swap people to save a scum Foolish. So if Foolish is scum both me and Palmar are cleared, yes?
Palmar is cleared no matter what in my eyes.
I'll be making a case on yamato later tonight.
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Enjoying the explanation given my marv
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@marv:
Really? Advocating lynching for information? That doesn't sound like the town marv I know who trusts himself implicitly.
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I'm putting suspicion on players I find suspicious with their actions on the lynch. I know none of it is particularly solidified or damning but hey, it's all we have at this point because town isn't posting enough to get good scum reads and we just mislynched Kenpachi for lurking too much.
Clarity I am unsure why you suddenly become suspicious of me because of my supposed meta. If me making a well-reasoned post on my thoughts on the lynch that happened while I was at work is scummy I guess I should quit this game. Good luck with your case though.
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Also good job not responding to a single other thing I said in the post and just writing it off for this supposed scum read you have on me.
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Mementoss I don't have any strong reads at the moment except Foolish who you think is just playing his meta. I give a lot of weak reads because I don't understand what happened fully and I think some of it needs clarifying. As it is though everyone seems content to ignore what happened at lynch without explaining themselves further which is odd because I would expect town to be more forthcoming with this kind of information.
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@Dieno:
What about the fact that the OP specifically says "There are 2 mafia in each world at the start of the game". For Clarity to be scum, and that statement to hold true, then there could only be 3 mafia total. Do you think 3 mafia is realistic in an 18 player game?
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I kinda....don't have my spirit yet...
I was going to tell you guys what I had so we could discuss how to use it best for tonight, but iGrok and Grey are offline
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