Chrono Trigger Mafia

On November 21 2012 10:51 Acrofales wrote:
This is going to be so much fun. I finally made it into a greymist game

I am going to go out and assume that Lavos will be a game element and not a player, seeing as he will be "summoned" later in the game. So I am going to assume that the quests are to get to Lavos, and get any town advantages we can on the way (somewhat similar to Resistance mafia).

My suggestion is thus to play this just like resistance mafia. Everybody suggests the party they will make if chosen as leader today and gives their reasons. This should be done by 12 hours (or maybe 6, given that it's day 1 and people still need to get going) before the deadline, giving people time to vote on their preferred party leader.

To get the discussion started, I would currently choose Marv, Sandro and Syllo along: I know them, I know Sandro and Syllo work well together, and I know they are all good players. I have no clue what the quest will be, so bringing the best players simply seems prudent. However, as the day goes on this may change if I get clear scum reads on any of them. For Sandro and Syllo I feel a scumread is viable in D1. I don't think I can get a read on Marv in D1, but he's still more readable than Toad, who I would otherwise put in that spot.

On November 21 2012 20:45 Acrofales wrote:

Not reading the thread already?

I was under the impression (and still expect it to be a very real possibility), that a successful mission will give the party members benefits (items, mason chat, a level up, whatever) that will help us root out mafia and/or directly aid us in fighting Lavos. The best players in the game are naturally the best equipped to use such perks. That is, if they're town.

Sandro brought up a good counterargument, and making scum choose between shooting likely party members and shooting experienced town players is a good policy.

On that note, @Sandro: you have not explained why this policy is pretty much the complete opposite of your proposal in Holy Roman, where you (a veteran and likely target for scum kp) wanted yourself as emperor (and thus a likely target for scum kp) precisely because you are an experienced player.

On a similar note, if we follow that logic through, Sandro should not be party leader.

On November 21 2012 21:09 syllogism wrote:

I think his reasoning is weak and your subsequent posts in which you attract more attention towards the fact that someone thinks you are mafia are fairly towny. I do not like your marv or no "vet" as a leader strategy at all, however.



Perhaps I'm reading too much into this as being transparent when justifying your party leader vote is good, but this seems overly explanatory. I don't understand what's the point of mentioning that you were going to propose yourself nor why there was a need to mention marv at all (as a side note, I'm surprised that you hold him in this high regard; it's not something I'm used to hearing from you). One motive for saying that you intended to propose yourself could be that townies are "expected" to nominate themselves.

The focus of the post is less on what Sandroba has done in this game and more on his general strengths. I'm used to a more direct risk nuke. I agree with your suspicions on acrofales, however.

On November 21 2012 23:44 Clarity_nl wrote:


I think dieno is newbie town, I think you are newbie town. Marv seemed sincere in his reasons of why he isn't running.

If I had to pick a party leader at this instant, it would be syllo. But I have not read any of his older games yet so I'm going mostly off of what others are saying.
The reason marv is saying I haven't been as constructive yet has a couple of reasons, but the main one is that this is a bigger game than I'm used to. I'm fine with the activity but the interactions are much more complex as a result.

I think my first 16-24 hours are just me getting my bearings though.

On November 22 2012 00:20 kushm4sta wrote:
Holy fuck this thread is so long and 99% of it is about who are we voting leader, which I really don't care about.
Not much thought put into this decision but
##vote sandroba
Good town, easy to distinguish town from scum.

On November 22 2012 01:34 Acrofales wrote:

Didn't I already answer that question? Oh yes. I remember. I did:


At the time, I was leaning Djoref, because I was feeling town on him, and sending a somewhat experienced town seemed better than veteran Sandro with 3 noobies. However, he says he cannot commit the time, leaving us with Sandro and Syllo.

Iamperfection and Dino are unfortunately not serious candidates for me. Perfection is way too focused on people seeing him as town and not nearly focused enough on playing the game. Dino is fluffy.

Talking about fluffy, where is BioSC?

On November 22 2012 02:56 Acrofales wrote:




Made it big bold and blue, because you apparently can't read otherwise. It means I like Sandro's policy and agree that as long as town people are picked I don't mind them being newbs who may not be able to best use any potential rewards, because veterans could be too much of a target for scum KP in any case without heaping more on.

On November 22 2012 03:56 BioSC wrote:
Good morning folks, glad to see the game has started in full swing. I've got a LOT to catch up on, see you in 20-30 mins.

On November 22 2012 06:14 BioSC wrote:


You sniped me...

On November 22 2012 06:14 BioSC wrote:
Kay, that took longer than I thought. You guys type too much.

Re-reading through the OP/Daypost, I firmly believe that it's in towns best interest to win each event. Hurp derp, obvious, I know, but the plans to intentionally put someone who's "questionable" on the team a bad idea since if he is scum, it may result in a lost event. I believe, at least for this cycle, we should be putting 4 people together who are most likely town to try an win this and every challenge. Should the event fail, then we can have a look at people on the team who are most likely to be scum and act accordingly.

Now, boiling away all the fat from the discussion, a few people have popped up for the leaders, both of whom I would have no problems electing as party leader, Syllo and Sandroba.

I'm liking Sandroba simply because I agree with his plan insomuch as picking town reads. The way he stated it and stated it early makes me have a town read on him early. I would, however, like him to at least let us know whom he plans on picking party-wise, so if he's elected party leader we can know his thought process behind each individual.

Syllogism for much of the same reason, simple plan of trying to win the events which I can get behind. This post in particular stuck out to me as why I would be ok with supporting him as well.



Finally, I would have supported Marv for party leader, but since he doesn't want it, it would be silly to vote for him. I do believe him to be town, based on his response to Chronic's plan:



We need the leader to be accountable for his choices, and rolling dice or random choice isn't the way to do that.

In some Bizzaro world where I was elected Party leader, those would be my choices on whom to accompany me, and why.

Another Note:



Scumhunting is always usefull. But, I agree to a point with this quote. We aren't lynching someone this cycle (That we know of), we are electing a Party Leader, which implys that we need to find town, hence, townhunting is important, at least for this cycle. In the end, however, we do need to find scum, so that town KP can be directed towards scum, and so that we DON'T elect them to the party at all.

I've got a couple more hours left before I leave to go visit with family and then I won't be back until late (Central US time).

On November 22 2012 06:35 marvellosity wrote:
risk, it says right there in the post.

Come on now.

On November 22 2012 06:51 marvellosity wrote:


You've played way more games with me than Bio, though, who's played with me... once maybe? And certainly not for a long time.

The fashionable read on marvelbabe is that I'm hard to read day 1, and he didn't go with that so meh. I can see how if you're not familiar with my play that he could see what I said there as a towntell anyways.

I'd like Bio to say some shizzle on the more controversial topics, like his opinions on Cave/Denisore for example.

Clarity - Cave is still bad or scum or both, and the important thing is that he doesn't get invited on today's event.

On November 22 2012 16:53 syllogism wrote:
When I said I may reveal who I am going to pick after the day post, I meant that I might explain why I picked the team I did, not just list the names as that is obviously unnecessary

On November 22 2012 17:02 syllogism wrote:

If the mission is a success and everyone considers me town anyway I don't think that's necessary and I would then rather be lazy.

On November 22 2012 18:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the Candidates are consolidated to
GoodKarma:
Party Members: Oats, Djo, Sand
Syllo:
Party Members: He does not want to reveal at this time.
Sandro:
Party Members: Oats, Dien, Kush(If he doesnt die)
Kita:
Party Members: Acro, Dien, Prome

On November 22 2012 19:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah pretty much risk.
Who are you looking to vote for party leader?

On November 22 2012 21:14 Acrofales wrote:

Trust and something approaching praise coming from risk.nuke, how... unusual.

Risk, what do you feel is wrong with Sandro and Syllo at the moment?

On November 22 2012 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
What do you mean by the yell higher approach? and can you quote both sides of me?

On November 22 2012 21:56 marvellosity wrote:


Right, it could be fake, but the natural and probable assumption is that it isn't. There's not a lot else to say on the matter.

On November 22 2012 22:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause I am letting my mouth run?
I wasnt asking people to read the case, I was asking for opinions on it, sorry if it came out that way. Too many negatives in your second sentence that I dont really understand. If I make a terrible case and no one says anything, I may unknowingly keep doing it which isnt good. I may have gone over the top and I am sorry if it irritated you.

On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p

On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:

I still need to find the guy I want to vote for.

Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros.
Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine.
Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.

That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to?

On November 23 2012 00:37 marvellosity wrote:


risk, what makes you feel so good about goodkarma?

On November 23 2012 00:42 syllogism wrote:

You say that you do not trust me. Does that mean you don't think that I'm town or just that I'm less likely to pick a good team than goodkarma. Why did you trust sandroba over me?

On November 23 2012 00:38 Dienosore wrote:
I hope I haven't committed suicide with this post :X

Alright, guys. I've been doing a lot of watching these past 30~ pages or so. I've come up with this aggregate system that isn't based around calling people towny or scum, but rather personal interactions. Using my extraordinary abilities to decipher what people mean rather than what they say, I've drawn out what I think is turning out to be a very interesting relationship map, and here it is:



The wiggly lines show hate/distrust, while the straight lines show some sort of companionship. There are a few other types of lines in there that represent different things, but I don't really feel like going into depth about every little mark.

From this, I am able to extrapolate what I see into a larger picture. The only things that really set off flags for me are these:

- Djodref and Goodkarma coming up as strong scumreads.
- Kitaman drawing a lot of attention for little reason.
- CaveJohnson coming up as scummy.
- Iamperfection being indicated in secret relationships with SnB and CaveJohnson.

I've also spotted some sort of mysterious link between Promethelax/Kushm4sta, Promethelax/Kitaman, and Risk.Nuke/Promethelax. I find it hard to think townies would be forming these sort of clandestine connections this early in the game, though it does not necessarily make them scum. There is always the possibility of a third party out there.

Right now, I havn't really made any clear towny reads using this map other than Syllo. Sandroba was clear town for me until Syllo raised some suspicion with his >50% remark.

Another flag is the sudden surge of support for Kitaman27 from people who I've dubbed as suspicious.

What's also interesting is who is not on the map. BioSC caught a bit of negative attention from Iamperfection early on, then sort of disappeared. Not sure what this means.


Alright that's all I have for now. Looking through all my info, it's pretty clear that I'm not going to be first leader, and that's fine with me. I just hope I get in the party and survive the night.

On November 23 2012 02:33 kitaman27 wrote:


Lets not read into this. I think its pretty clear grey modkilled kush because he suicided using an ability that had no chance of success.

On November 23 2012 12:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think we should wait for Syllo to post before jumping to conclusions

On November 23 2012 23:43 Djodref wrote:
I might have sounded angry but I honestly think that this sandroba wagon is pretty stupid. Nobody really brings an original argument and is sheeping syllo ">50% chance that sandro is mafia" and/or basically lynching a lurker with contributions.

It's the perfect situation for the mafia to mislynch sandro if he is town, not contribute, blend in. I don't like how this D2 starts at all.

For example, risk.nuke dropping in the thread and casting his vote against sandro with his "waiting for sandro to participate to switch my vote to ..." without even giving any alternatives. Fuck this kind of attitude !

FoS risk.nuke

On November 24 2012 00:47 Djodref wrote:


@risk.nuke

Well, obviously it didn't work because sandro is supposedly sleeping now. What do you plan to do now ?

On November 24 2012 04:09 Djodref wrote:


@risk.nuke

Play the waiting game ?



@risk.nuke

Obviously, you know sandroba a little. Could you explain me why you feel like playing the waiting game with sandro is a good idea for today ? He explicitly told us that he was going to get busy this week-end

Why couldn't you share a little more about what you think of sandroba so far while we're waiting ?
Of course, I would also greatly appreciate any input on TheChronicler ^^

On November 24 2012 05:10 syllogism wrote:

I agree that the plan he proposed seemed towny and some of his reactions feel genuine, but his content and that contradiction point the other way. I don't think he is the best lynch today, however.

On November 24 2012 05:13 Djodref wrote:


@risk.nuke

That's analysis after the fact. At this time, there was no reliable way for us to know if syllo was town or not.
Speaking for myself, I've been deciding this after a careful analysis of his posts and I've decided that I should take the risk of voting him. I'm talking about a risk here because he didn't want to reveal his party beforehand, which is something I liked. And that's something TheChronicler shouldn't have liked, given his campaign platform.
TheChronicler looked very afraid to vote a scum as a party leader and his plan was all about getting "information". Hence, his vote on syllo doesn't make any sense from a town TheChronicler perspective. In fact, the whole story of a town TheChronicler which wanted to be elected on a bad idea doesn't make sense. Hence, scum.
Further thoughts ?

By the way, your vote on sandroba is useless...

On November 24 2012 05:20 syllogism wrote:

He has been useless. Nothing really stands out besides maybe him complaining about kita is trying to "ward of people from voting sandroba". At the time adam hadn't mentioned sandro before and presumably wasn't supporting him for party leader. That's a bit thin though and he shouldn't be a priority right now.

On November 24 2012 14:18 kitaman27 wrote:
There are a couple people whose filters I've looked through that I believe warrent mention. The first would be nuke.



The thing that bothers me the most about this post is how much resolve nuke has that sandroba is the right man for the job. He doesn't question whether or not sandroba is actually town, which is the first thing I'd be looking for.

"Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination."

This quote is what I found the most off. When I think of sandroba, I think of a good late game scumhunter. What makes him think that sandroba is a great town hunter, compared to anyone else? It's as if he is coming up with a reason that is perfect for the job to justify his vote.



At a later point, nuke attacks arco for his team selection based on experience instead of alignment. This appears to be exactly what he had based his own leader selection upon.

Throughout nuke's filter, he is asking tons of questions, but not providing any opinions of his own. This is something I find myself doing quite often as scum.

Towards the end of the day, after sandroba goes afk, he switches his support to goodkarma. Rather than convincing others that this is the best route, he is more concerned with his own personal selection. He lists two people as town reads, but provides no real reasoning and shows little effort to attempt to get them added to the party.

Today he has voted sandroba on the basis of inactivity. He has not contributed much on day two and hasn't provided any alternate scum reads. He is also not very aggressive, which is something I'm used to seeing when he is town.

I have one other person I'd like to bring up, but it will probably have to wait until morning. I'll choose my prefered lynch candidate after that.

On November 24 2012 20:56 sandroba wrote:
@acro No. The way he keeps trying to discredit people that are in the "confirmed town" status and pushing doubt when there is absolutely no reason to. The biggest fear for scum in a game is that town organizes behind confirmed strong players. His spreading of mistrust only benefits him as mafia, especially at this point when there is no reason to consider it as an option. You can check that a lot of his posts have this as the sole purpose.

@risk If not for inactivity, then why are you voting for me?

@everyone Just think for a second. Look at the team I picked. If I were scum and planning to fail the mission I would be basically commiting suicide.

On November 25 2012 01:11 kitaman27 wrote:


Oh really? So now I'm scummy? Funny because before I brought you up, you've never mentioned me. Strange considering I was one of the three main candidates yesterday, yet you completely ignored me.



No need to get worked up. I know I mentioned how I'm used to seeing you aggressive, but it doesn't really count if it comes after I mention it. Why should I have to ask for your opinions? Why not give them yourself and then push your thoughts on people once you do post them?

I started disliking Sandroba when Sandroba stopped acting like a townie. If you think that's suspicious you need to learn how to play this game. Furthermore the reason I'm voting sandroba is not inactivity and if you don't think he's scummy I want to hear concrete reasons why from you.

On November 25 2012 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:

wtf just happened. Does anyone have any idea?

On November 25 2012 10:16 Djodref wrote:
I took 30 damage !

I propose myself as a party leader for today !

My team would consist of Acro, Clarity and Dieno !
I'm quite confident to pull off a success for the event with such a team ^^

On November 25 2012 10:19 goodkarma wrote:



That makes things harder...

So, it should be a no-brainer to shoo in one of the people from the previous successful party.

I would rather not have dienosaur as party leader.

Between Oats and Keir, I flipped a coin and it came up...

##Vote: Keirathi


But in all seriousness, Oats and Keir do not have Syllo-esque reads, and I believe it would be best if they have some guidance for who else they bring. Even if it's just Syllo telling one of them exactly what to do (In fact, I'd approve of this idea.).

On November 25 2012 22:44 syllogism wrote:
Risk what do you think about Prom

On November 25 2012 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Risk, I am not taking your party seriously.
Why in the flipping world would you not take Dien with you? WHY?

On November 25 2012 22:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Party success is determined before night actions. So there is no way he can die before the party success is determined

On November 25 2012 22:49 risk.nuke wrote:

I'll look him over now.

On November 25 2012 23:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Nothing says that HP is a factor.

On November 25 2012 23:28 syllogism wrote:
Risk if you had to pick fourth person onto your team, who would that be? Are you going to tell me what you thought about prom?

On November 25 2012 23:45 marvellosity wrote:


So was Prome also 'guessing' that I had targeted syllogism then?

On November 25 2012 23:56 Djodref wrote:

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Toad is 99% scum

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For toad to be town, it would take

• Acro's case against him to be mislead
  
• TheChronicler lying or Toad framed/bussed during the first cycle
  
• Acro's lying or Toad framed/bussed during the second cycle
  
• Town Toad to hide the fact that he needs votes cast on him every cycle
  
• Town Toad to act like a mafia player
  

On a side note, I think that Hopeless is likely to be his scum partner and that Toad really need to have vote cast on him at each cycle. The robot claim was the fakeclaim associated to his role, I would say.

Okay, I guess that everybody would agree on this one already, so that wasn't my main point.

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How do we handle him ?

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I think the safest way would be to roleblock him until we can kill him during the day. I think that night actions directed towards him are likely to be redirected via busses by the mafia team or 3rd party players. Does anybody has an idea about how we could safely get rid of him instead of using a lynch ?

On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:


I think it's because you are not active enough
I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you.

On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:


Well, I would not vote for the following reasons

• The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
  
• The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
  
• The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
  
• The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....

On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:

you think acro faked his copclaim as well?

On November 26 2012 02:19 marvellosity wrote:


I always listen to you, I just don't let anyone know. Shh!

On a serious matter, if you think Chronicledude is town and telling the truth, why don't you think Toad is necessarily scum?

On November 26 2012 02:37 marvellosity wrote:
yeah, what Hopeless quoted. Unless it's a misunderstanding.

On November 26 2012 03:30 Keirathi wrote:

No it's not useless.

For instance, I think the probable scenario is something like this:

Normal Townies: 100 HMS
High HMS Townies: 250 HMS
Low HMS Townies: 40 HMS
Normal Mafia: -300 HMS

When the mission starts, if the total HMS value of the group is > 0, the event is successful.

(These are obviously just made up numbers. Just an example for context.)

On November 26 2012 04:18 Hopeless1der wrote:

We're you given a "you have x total gold" or "you have received x amount of gold"? The latter suggests we can give you gold.

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Gotta read the setup you guys...

• Each player has a HIDDEN NUMBER VALUE (not a modifier)
  
• There are other HIDDEN FACTORS that contribute to this as well
  

On November 26 2012 18:35 Djodref wrote:
There is no democracy in this town. Only one party.
Totalitarism is bad for discussion though...

On November 26 2012 18:50 Promethelax wrote:
Dieno: could you tell us what you infer from your crazy maps? Those help us as much as me posting a list of player names with everyone shaded a different shade of purple. It probably means something to me but you have no idea what.

On November 26 2012 18:51 Promethelax wrote:
Risk: no comments on the last 14 hours?

On November 26 2012 18:53 Promethelax wrote:


I think it has gone past that to totally meaningless. That is why I want his conclusions. If ntohing else they are good for a laugh.

On November 26 2012 18:59 Promethelax wrote:


In a rather selfish way I'd like you to look at Syllo's scum read of me. I don't see where it comes from at all and he hasn't done a good job of supporting it even if there is some merit to his case in his eyes. I'd like you, as a more experienced player, to tell me 1)Why Syllo would be so blase about pressuring me if he actually thought I was scum and 2)if you think I am scum and why/why not.

In addition I'd like to hear your thoughts on the party selection, you have said you'd prefer Syllo over dieno, why is that?

On November 26 2012 19:27 Promethelax wrote:


I'd like the conclusions you feel are most important, the ones you think I should be paying attention to.

Risk: who are those you feel more strongly about than me as scum? Since I am (as far as I can tell) on your be-wary-of-but-don't-bother to-deal-with-yet list. I'd also like your opinion on the necessity of a name claim from me, esspecially for the reason which Syllo gave.

On November 26 2012 23:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
if 3 of them are scum, who credible is gonna push their cases for them? No one wins if no one votes for them beside themselves. Im just sad that my initial read on Toad was wrong

On November 28 2012 01:43 Acrofales wrote:

I can't say what I need to do, because anybody with Chrono Trigger lore knowledge will probably be able to figure out who I am. As there's probably mechanisms to prevent that from being a good idea, you'll just have to trust me.

Have I given you any reason not to trust me?

On November 28 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote:

I would lie my ass off. However, I would probably not be leaking 3rd party on all sides. I am a better player than that and you should know it. I played the way I did precisely because I am helping town. If you have any specific accusations, go ahead and make them.

On November 29 2012 21:58 Clarity_nl wrote:


Could you explain what a paranoid gunman ability is? There's a lot of terms flying around that I'm simply not used to.
By the sound of it, you damage anyone who "visits" you?

Greymist: Its the inside of a Tent! Its strangely dark and there appears to be a crystal ball on a table.

On November 30 2012 01:48 syllogism wrote:

It's an incredibly suboptimal way regardless of alignment and some of the things that were said by you were just mindboggling. It doesn't help that, of course, that I was suspicious of your play even before that so I'm interpreting everything through that prism. What kind of consequences do you expect there to be for outing a name of a minor character? You didn't even think it was important to keep it secret as you voluntarily divulged the name before anyone even had posted in the QT. We've had two major characters claim their names and neither of them has even been roleblocked yet.

On November 30 2012 01:55 Acrofales wrote:
@risk: you're here and all you're doing is bitchfighting with syllo. It's pointless. Syllo has posted his thoughts about what your reasons are. They sound fake made-up bullshit reasons to me, but I'm getting them filtered through Syllo. How about YOU tell us your reasons for inviting all those players.

Why GK, Keirathi, Syllo and Dieno. Why that order? What is it you're trying to accomplish in your QT? Why claim you can damage people in there and then only invite town reads?

And while you're answering questions, answer the ones I have now posted twice already.

On November 30 2012 02:04 syllogism wrote:

You ignored half of the post but that's okay, I will answer anyway.

The name was required because it is suspicious when combined with the flavor provided in the QT. It could be completely meaningless, but it's still potentially evidence.

On December 01 2012 08:59 GreYMisT wrote:

You have 3 options to choose for your party to try to defeat Slash!
A) Grab for that sword on the wall!
B) “Fuck It!” – All players charge in at once!
C) Use the last of your MP on a triple tech attempt!


You have 4 options to choose for your party to try to defeat Flea!
A) Triple Tech attack first
B) “Clarity_nl “ attacks first!
C) “Dienosore “attacks first!
D) “ Djodref“ attacks first!
E) “ Oatsmaster“ attacks first!

On December 03 2012 17:18 phagga wrote:


That post sounds like scum. you have posted almost nothing in the last 72 hours, and all you do is trying to judge a player on is claimed abilities. Hapa has posted a lot in the last few hours, why don't you comment on that?

On December 04 2012 21:09 Clarity_nl wrote:


Can't go there, plus you must be oblivious to the fact of getting lynched to make such a meager post. Pretty sure you just claimed scum.

On December 05 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:


This makes no sense whatsoever. Why the hell would you invite a bunch of town-reads to a circle that completely neuters your damage ability. I'm not buying it.