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No disrespect to marv who's one of the best scumhunters I know on these forums but a scumhunter isn't what we need today. I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak. We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play. We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies. This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination. Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays. ##Vote: Sandroba | ||
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On November 21 2012 10:51 Acrofales wrote: This is going to be so much fun. I finally made it into a greymist game I am going to go out and assume that Lavos will be a game element and not a player, seeing as he will be "summoned" later in the game. So I am going to assume that the quests are to get to Lavos, and get any town advantages we can on the way (somewhat similar to Resistance mafia). My suggestion is thus to play this just like resistance mafia. Everybody suggests the party they will make if chosen as leader today and gives their reasons. This should be done by 12 hours (or maybe 6, given that it's day 1 and people still need to get going) before the deadline, giving people time to vote on their preferred party leader. To get the discussion started, I would currently choose Marv, Sandro and Syllo along: I know them, I know Sandro and Syllo work well together, and I know they are all good players. I have no clue what the quest will be, so bringing the best players simply seems prudent. However, as the day goes on this may change if I get clear scum reads on any of them. For Sandro and Syllo I feel a scumread is viable in D1. I don't think I can get a read on Marv in D1, but he's still more readable than Toad, who I would otherwise put in that spot. Acrofales, can you elaborate why you immediately wanted to pick Sandroba, Marv, Syllo to go? What did you think would be the benefits and risks of sending three of our best players? | ||
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On November 21 2012 20:45 Acrofales wrote: Not reading the thread already? I was under the impression (and still expect it to be a very real possibility), that a successful mission will give the party members benefits (items, mason chat, a level up, whatever) that will help us root out mafia and/or directly aid us in fighting Lavos. The best players in the game are naturally the best equipped to use such perks. That is, if they're town. Sandro brought up a good counterargument, and making scum choose between shooting likely party members and shooting experienced town players is a good policy. On that note, @Sandro: you have not explained why this policy is pretty much the complete opposite of your proposal in Holy Roman, where you (a veteran and likely target for scum kp) wanted yourself as emperor (and thus a likely target for scum kp) precisely because you are an experienced player. On a similar note, if we follow that logic through, Sandro should not be party leader. No I read your arguments, but they sounded inadequate and non thought through. What really rubbed me the wrong way was your disregard for individual alignment amongst your list. Right now I feel you didn't care, you just wanted an elite team to go under the pretext that they would be best equipped. You purposefully ignored or didn't consider the risks of a team like that and I really don't like that. On November 21 2012 21:09 syllogism wrote: I think his reasoning is weak and your subsequent posts in which you attract more attention towards the fact that someone thinks you are mafia are fairly towny. I do not like your marv or no "vet" as a leader strategy at all, however. Perhaps I'm reading too much into this as being transparent when justifying your party leader vote is good, but this seems overly explanatory. I don't understand what's the point of mentioning that you were going to propose yourself nor why there was a need to mention marv at all (as a side note, I'm surprised that you hold him in this high regard; it's not something I'm used to hearing from you). One motive for saying that you intended to propose yourself could be that townies are "expected" to nominate themselves. The focus of the post is less on what Sandroba has done in this game and more on his general strengths. I'm used to a more direct risk nuke. I agree with your suspicions on acrofales, however. Well the reason I said I would had proposed myself was because if I had been here when the game had started I would had. When I first saw the day1 post I wanted to nominate myself but I decided I'd read through the whole thread first and when I had It no longer seemed viable. It was just part of my thought process. As for Marv, Marv is a player who've lately impressed me with his scumhuntingskills. However that wasn't the reason I mentioned him. The reason I brought him up is a lot of the players in this game does not know you or sandroba. To them Marv is more real then you which I felt caused a very biased support for him amongst the newer players. Which is also entwined with why I gave pretty detailed reasoning about Sandroba. | ||
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On November 21 2012 23:44 Clarity_nl wrote: I think dieno is newbie town, I think you are newbie town. Marv seemed sincere in his reasons of why he isn't running. If I had to pick a party leader at this instant, it would be syllo. But I have not read any of his older games yet so I'm going mostly off of what others are saying. The reason marv is saying I haven't been as constructive yet has a couple of reasons, but the main one is that this is a bigger game than I'm used to. I'm fine with the activity but the interactions are much more complex as a result. I think my first 16-24 hours are just me getting my bearings though. What has people been saying in particular that makes you feel confident in syllo? | ||
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On November 22 2012 00:20 kushm4sta wrote: Holy fuck this thread is so long and 99% of it is about who are we voting leader, which I really don't care about. Not much thought put into this decision but ##vote sandroba Good town, easy to distinguish town from scum. Do you care about who goes on missions? Earlier you said you wanted to send scummy people on missions. Do you still want to do that? Additionally, what did you mean with sending scummy people would give us more to analyse? | ||
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On November 22 2012 01:34 Acrofales wrote: Didn't I already answer that question? Oh yes. I remember. I did: At the time, I was leaning Djoref, because I was feeling town on him, and sending a somewhat experienced town seemed better than veteran Sandro with 3 noobies. However, he says he cannot commit the time, leaving us with Sandro and Syllo. Iamperfection and Dino are unfortunately not serious candidates for me. Perfection is way too focused on people seeing him as town and not nearly focused enough on playing the game. Dino is fluffy. Talking about fluffy, where is BioSC? No you haven't answered the question. I know where you stand on the mission leader. You've said you endorse both sandroba and syllogism and voted sandroba. But for the rest of the party? Do you still think veterans should be selected by sandroba to go on the mission? Or should I take your vote on sandroba (who've hinted he intend to send less known players) that you no longer support that idea. And if so my question was why. | ||
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On November 22 2012 02:56 Acrofales wrote: Made it big bold and blue, because you apparently can't read otherwise. It means I like Sandro's policy and agree that as long as town people are picked I don't mind them being newbs who may not be able to best use any potential rewards, because veterans could be too much of a target for scum KP in any case without heaping more on. Wrong. That ment Sandroba brought up a good argument. It said nothing about you changing your stance. But whatever. | ||
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On November 22 2012 03:56 BioSC wrote: Good morning folks, glad to see the game has started in full swing. I've got a LOT to catch up on, see you in 20-30 mins. How's it going? | ||
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Yeah sorry, On November 22 2012 06:14 BioSC wrote: Kay, that took longer than I thought. You guys type too much. Re-reading through the OP/Daypost, I firmly believe that it's in towns best interest to win each event. Hurp derp, obvious, I know, but the plans to intentionally put someone who's "questionable" on the team a bad idea since if he is scum, it may result in a lost event. I believe, at least for this cycle, we should be putting 4 people together who are most likely town to try an win this and every challenge. Should the event fail, then we can have a look at people on the team who are most likely to be scum and act accordingly. Now, boiling away all the fat from the discussion, a few people have popped up for the leaders, both of whom I would have no problems electing as party leader, Syllo and Sandroba. I'm liking Sandroba simply because I agree with his plan insomuch as picking town reads. The way he stated it and stated it early makes me have a town read on him early. I would, however, like him to at least let us know whom he plans on picking party-wise, so if he's elected party leader we can know his thought process behind each individual. Syllogism for much of the same reason, simple plan of trying to win the events which I can get behind. This post in particular stuck out to me as why I would be ok with supporting him as well. Finally, I would have supported Marv for party leader, but since he doesn't want it, it would be silly to vote for him. I do believe him to be town, based on his response to Chronic's plan: We need the leader to be accountable for his choices, and rolling dice or random choice isn't the way to do that. In some Bizzaro world where I was elected Party leader, those would be my choices on whom to accompany me, and why. Another Note: Scumhunting is always usefull. But, I agree to a point with this quote. We aren't lynching someone this cycle (That we know of), we are electing a Party Leader, which implys that we need to find town, hence, townhunting is important, at least for this cycle. In the end, however, we do need to find scum, so that town KP can be directed towards scum, and so that we DON'T elect them to the party at all. I've got a couple more hours left before I leave to go visit with family and then I won't be back until late (Central US time). Hypothetically if you were elected partyleader now, who would you choose to bring? | ||
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On November 22 2012 06:35 marvellosity wrote: risk, it says right there in the post. Come on now. I'm an idiot, I mixed things up. Carry on. | ||
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On November 22 2012 06:51 marvellosity wrote: You've played way more games with me than Bio, though, who's played with me... once maybe? And certainly not for a long time. The fashionable read on marvelbabe is that I'm hard to read day 1, and he didn't go with that so meh. I can see how if you're not familiar with my play that he could see what I said there as a towntell anyways. I'd like Bio to say some shizzle on the more controversial topics, like his opinions on Cave/Denisore for example. Clarity - Cave is still bad or scum or both, and the important thing is that he doesn't get invited on today's event. I wouldn't really call Cave & Denisore controversial. Anyone actually have a townread on them? Denisore might just be daft but when Cave posted about Syllos withdrawal I almost swapped my vote to syllo that instant. I'm starting to wonder if syllo might be a safer vote then sandroba. Or I'm just getting paranoid because sandroba haven't posted in a while. | ||
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On November 22 2012 16:53 syllogism wrote: When I said I may reveal who I am going to pick after the day post, I meant that I might explain why I picked the team I did, not just list the names as that is obviously unnecessary What? What benefit would it be not to explain the reasoning for why you picked them? | ||
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On November 22 2012 17:02 syllogism wrote: If the mission is a success and everyone considers me town anyway I don't think that's necessary and I would then rather be lazy. I'm not a fan of your lazy-when-I-feel-like-it strategy. It still feels like you should have your reads on why you picked your team already. It shouldn't be that much of an effort to scribble them down. What do you think of leader-candidates outside you and sandroba? (feel free to ignore kitaman) | ||
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On November 22 2012 18:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so the Candidates are consolidated to GoodKarma: Party Members: Oats, Djo, Sand Syllo: Party Members: He does not want to reveal at this time. Sandro: Party Members: Oats, Dien, Kush(If he doesnt die) Kita: Party Members: Acro, Dien, Prome I agree with Phagga, Can you explain why you put Sandroba on your team? | ||
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On November 22 2012 19:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah pretty much risk. Who are you looking to vote for party leader? I have voted sandroba but It's not in stone. | ||
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On November 22 2012 21:14 Acrofales wrote: Trust and something approaching praise coming from risk.nuke, how... unusual. Risk, what do you feel is wrong with Sandro and Syllo at the moment? I don't know what you are talking about Acro. As for Oats, He made a tunnelcase on clarity and when it didn't work he tried the yell higher approach. I also didn't like that he voted toad who's notoriously difficult to read but that is a lesser concern. My main problem with oats is he hasn't really done anything in actual terms to distinguish himself as town while he's playing one of the easier ways to play as scum. Furthermore I get the feeling of two sides of him. One calm and considerate and one yell as high as you can side. Right now I don't have an abundant of trust for syllogism and sandroba wants to send oats. I have townreads goodkarma and Djodref. | ||
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On November 22 2012 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote: What do you mean by the yell higher approach? and can you quote both sides of me? When you typed your case and you repeatedly told everyone to go back and look at your case asking for opinions. I might not had found it suspicious if it wasn't because the case was impossible-to-not-see terrible. Some of the post you make indicate that you are capable of staying composed and focused when you post. So why do other parts of your filter look like you're just letting your mouth run. | ||
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On November 22 2012 21:56 marvellosity wrote: Right, it could be fake, but the natural and probable assumption is that it isn't. There's not a lot else to say on the matter. Kush can you explain your ability, why you targeted marv? And can you potentially abort it? | ||
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On November 22 2012 22:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause I am letting my mouth run? I wasnt asking people to read the case, I was asking for opinions on it, sorry if it came out that way. Too many negatives in your second sentence that I dont really understand. If I make a terrible case and no one says anything, I may unknowingly keep doing it which isnt good. I may have gone over the top and I am sorry if it irritated you. It didn't irritate me, it made me suspicious of your behaviour which contrary to irritation is alignment indicative. | ||
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On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What about goodkarma? | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:19 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count Kitaman27 (4): Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, Toadesstern Goodkarma (2): djodref, goodkarma Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (5): Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler Players who have yet to vote (9): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, Adam4167, sandroba Remember that voting is mandatory. All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I forgot to unvote. ##unvote: Sandroba ##Vote: goodkarma | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote: I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:37 marvellosity wrote: risk, what makes you feel so good about goodkarma? I like how he post. I feel I can follow his thoughts. | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:42 syllogism wrote: You say that you do not trust me. Does that mean you don't think that I'm town or just that I'm less likely to pick a good team than goodkarma. Why did you trust sandroba over me? It's not about that, with you and sandroba I don't know who to trust. I agreed with you on several of your points you made against Sandroba which was what caused my initial mistrust for him and why I started looking around for other candidates. However there are several things about Sandroba that I don't think scum would do that you neglected to bring up. In the end I'm not sure if sandroba is town or scum. In Election Mafia Arctocod had great support and was to be elected when scum made him unable. After that a scum candidate rocketed. I feel suspicious at you coming in as a second place holder rocketing up unresisted. I think it's safer to step back and support a candidate that only have support from people I had townreads on. | ||
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On November 23 2012 00:38 Dienosore wrote: I hope I haven't committed suicide with this post :X Alright, guys. I've been doing a lot of watching these past 30~ pages or so. I've come up with this aggregate system that isn't based around calling people towny or scum, but rather personal interactions. Using my extraordinary abilities to decipher what people mean rather than what they say, I've drawn out what I think is turning out to be a very interesting relationship map, and here it is: The wiggly lines show hate/distrust, while the straight lines show some sort of companionship. There are a few other types of lines in there that represent different things, but I don't really feel like going into depth about every little mark. From this, I am able to extrapolate what I see into a larger picture. The only things that really set off flags for me are these: - Djodref and Goodkarma coming up as strong scumreads. - Kitaman drawing a lot of attention for little reason. - CaveJohnson coming up as scummy. - Iamperfection being indicated in secret relationships with SnB and CaveJohnson. I've also spotted some sort of mysterious link between Promethelax/Kushm4sta, Promethelax/Kitaman, and Risk.Nuke/Promethelax. I find it hard to think townies would be forming these sort of clandestine connections this early in the game, though it does not necessarily make them scum. There is always the possibility of a third party out there. Right now, I havn't really made any clear towny reads using this map other than Syllo. Sandroba was clear town for me until Syllo raised some suspicion with his >50% remark. Another flag is the sudden surge of support for Kitaman27 from people who I've dubbed as suspicious. What's also interesting is who is not on the map. BioSC caught a bit of negative attention from Iamperfection early on, then sort of disappeared. Not sure what this means. Alright that's all I have for now. Looking through all my info, it's pretty clear that I'm not going to be first leader, and that's fine with me. I just hope I get in the party and survive the night. What in dumbs name? Kush. These are the moronscum you dayvig. | ||
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On November 23 2012 02:33 kitaman27 wrote: Lets not read into this. I think its pretty clear grey modkilled kush because he suicided using an ability that had no chance of success. nvm I missread. | ||
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On November 23 2012 12:11 Oatsmaster wrote: I think we should wait for Syllo to post before jumping to conclusions Here is something I love, an independent thinking man. Moving on, I'm really wondering where sandroba have gone. I'm leaning I want to lynch him but I'm going to at least park my vote on him untill he comes back. ##Vote: sandroba | ||
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On November 23 2012 23:43 Djodref wrote: I might have sounded angry but I honestly think that this sandroba wagon is pretty stupid. Nobody really brings an original argument and is sheeping syllo ">50% chance that sandro is mafia" and/or basically lynching a lurker with contributions. It's the perfect situation for the mafia to mislynch sandro if he is town, not contribute, blend in. I don't like how this D2 starts at all. For example, risk.nuke dropping in the thread and casting his vote against sandro with his "waiting for sandro to participate to switch my vote to ..." without even giving any alternatives. Fuck this kind of attitude ! FoS risk.nuke "without giving any alternatives"... Do you understand that bringing up alternatives would completely contradict the very reason I parked my vote on sandroba. The point was to build pressure to force him into activity. Saying, I'm parking my vote on sandroba but if he doesn't show up I'm going to vote this guy is just... dumb doesn't even suffice. | ||
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On November 24 2012 00:47 Djodref wrote: @risk.nuke Well, obviously it didn't work because sandro is supposedly sleeping now. What do you plan to do now ? Play the waiting game. | ||
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On November 24 2012 04:09 Djodref wrote: @risk.nuke Play the waiting game ? @risk.nuke Obviously, you know sandroba a little. Could you explain me why you feel like playing the waiting game with sandro is a good idea for today ? He explicitly told us that he was going to get busy this week-end Why couldn't you share a little more about what you think of sandroba so far while we're waiting ? Of course, I would also greatly appreciate any input on TheChronicler ^^ Because I want to hear what he have to say before I decide if I want to lynch him or not. Right now I don't feel sandroba is demonstrating qualitys I would expect from a town sandroba. This might be because he is genuinely busy or just bloody arrogant or scum. Either was right now I want to hear from him, there is time. Chronicler I didn't like his initial plan in the terms of that I didn't agree with it. On the other hand "IF" he is town I don't feel the plan was beneficial for the mafiateam either so from that perspective I can see what he was going for. A lot of people make up their own plans because they like the sense of leadership. I don't think his candidacy plan is alignment revealing. I especially liked this post (clicky) from him, even more so in hindsight of syllos sucess. I am slightly leaning town on him. | ||
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On November 24 2012 05:10 syllogism wrote: I agree that the plan he proposed seemed towny and some of his reactions feel genuine, but his content and that contradiction point the other way. I don't think he is the best lynch today, however. Syllo, what do you feel about adam? | ||
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On November 24 2012 05:13 Djodref wrote: @risk.nuke That's analysis after the fact. At this time, there was no reliable way for us to know if syllo was town or not. Speaking for myself, I've been deciding this after a careful analysis of his posts and I've decided that I should take the risk of voting him. I'm talking about a risk here because he didn't want to reveal his party beforehand, which is something I liked. And that's something TheChronicler shouldn't have liked, given his campaign platform. TheChronicler looked very afraid to vote a scum as a party leader and his plan was all about getting "information". Hence, his vote on syllo doesn't make any sense from a town TheChronicler perspective. In fact, the whole story of a town TheChronicler which wanted to be elected on a bad idea doesn't make sense. Hence, scum. Further thoughts ? By the way, your vote on sandroba is useless... We may not know for sure syllos alignment but as long as occams razor says syllo is town then that speaks in chronicles favor. If my vote on sandroba is useless, is that why you're so attracted to it? Birds of a feather flock. | ||
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On November 24 2012 05:20 syllogism wrote: He has been useless. Nothing really stands out besides maybe him complaining about kita is trying to "ward of people from voting sandroba". At the time adam hadn't mentioned sandro before and presumably wasn't supporting him for party leader. That's a bit thin though and he shouldn't be a priority right now. Yes he has been useless, so have other players but there is more then that. He feels completely inactive. Even when he posts his posts never feel like they are going anywhere and he doesn't follow them up. | ||
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On November 24 2012 14:18 kitaman27 wrote: There are a couple people whose filters I've looked through that I believe warrent mention. The first would be nuke. The thing that bothers me the most about this post is how much resolve nuke has that sandroba is the right man for the job. He doesn't question whether or not sandroba is actually town, which is the first thing I'd be looking for. "Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination." This quote is what I found the most off. When I think of sandroba, I think of a good late game scumhunter. What makes him think that sandroba is a great town hunter, compared to anyone else? It's as if he is coming up with a reason that is perfect for the job to justify his vote. At a later point, nuke attacks arco for his team selection based on experience instead of alignment. This appears to be exactly what he had based his own leader selection upon. Throughout nuke's filter, he is asking tons of questions, but not providing any opinions of his own. This is something I find myself doing quite often as scum. Towards the end of the day, after sandroba goes afk, he switches his support to goodkarma. Rather than convincing others that this is the best route, he is more concerned with his own personal selection. He lists two people as town reads, but provides no real reasoning and shows little effort to attempt to get them added to the party. Today he has voted sandroba on the basis of inactivity. He has not contributed much on day two and hasn't provided any alternate scum reads. He is also not very aggressive, which is something I'm used to seeing when he is town. I have one other person I'd like to bring up, but it will probably have to wait until morning. I'll choose my prefered lynch candidate after that. Scummy post from a scummy player. I don't question that Sandroba is town or not? You're not the first person to bring it up so perhaps I've phrased it poorly but I did absolutely believe Sandroba was town at the time. As I said his activity was promising and from what I had seen at that time he looked townier by far then anyone else. The next person who disagrees with that better be able to tell me why Sandroba was scummy at that time. You other point is bullshit. I had a townread on sandroba. Acrofales didn't have townreads on his three candidates. He just wanted to send them because they were good players and for that reason. If you want opinions from me you're free to ask me for them and I may or may not give you an answer, but if you don't I'll be damned if I'll accept that you show up later accusing me of not sharing opinions when all game you've not given a fuck about them. I started disliking Sandroba when Sandroba stopped acting like a townie. If you think that's suspicious you need to learn how to play this game. Furthermore the reason I'm voting sandroba is not inactivity and if you don't think he's scummy I want to hear concrete reasons why from you. | ||
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On November 24 2012 20:56 sandroba wrote: @acro No. The way he keeps trying to discredit people that are in the "confirmed town" status and pushing doubt when there is absolutely no reason to. The biggest fear for scum in a game is that town organizes behind confirmed strong players. His spreading of mistrust only benefits him as mafia, especially at this point when there is no reason to consider it as an option. You can check that a lot of his posts have this as the sole purpose. @risk If not for inactivity, then why are you voting for me? @everyone Just think for a second. Look at the team I picked. If I were scum and planning to fail the mission I would be basically commiting suicide. Don't try to hide and make it sound as if the reason you're scummy is inactivity. This is not your town playstyle. After you asserted yourself as leader you completely lost interest, don't give me any I was busy crap because I can tell a disinterested player from an afk one. Even now as you're the primary lynch target you haven't bothered to make a case against anyone else. My parents was coming by today and I had to put away the laptop when they rang the doorbell. They already think I spend to much time playing mafia so sitting by the laptop as we had lunch wasn't an option. Then I spent the day with them. | ||
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On November 25 2012 01:11 kitaman27 wrote: Oh really? So now I'm scummy? Funny because before I brought you up, you've never mentioned me. Strange considering I was one of the three main candidates yesterday, yet you completely ignored me. No need to get worked up. I know I mentioned how I'm used to seeing you aggressive, but it doesn't really count if it comes after I mention it. Why should I have to ask for your opinions? Why not give them yourself and then push your thoughts on people once you do post them? I started disliking Sandroba when Sandroba stopped acting like a townie. If you think that's suspicious you need to learn how to play this game. Furthermore the reason I'm voting sandroba is not inactivity and if you don't think he's scummy I want to hear concrete reasons why from you. Main candidate... your campaign was a joke. Also, nice selective quoting and responses. Cutting out my defence of your bullshit. here is the uncut post. + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2012 20:43 risk.nuke wrote: Scummy post from a scummy player. I don't question that Sandroba is town or not? You're not the first person to bring it up so perhaps I've phrased it poorly but I did absolutely believe Sandroba was town at the time. As I said his activity was promising and from what I had seen at that time he looked townier by far then anyone else. The next person who disagrees with that better be able to tell me why Sandroba was scummy at that time. You other point is bullshit. I had a townread on sandroba. Acrofales didn't have townreads on his three candidates. He just wanted to send them because they were good players and for that reason. If you want opinions from me you're free to ask me for them and I may or may not give you an answer, but if you don't I'll be damned if I'll accept that you show up later accusing me of not sharing opinions when all game you've not given a fuck about them. I started disliking Sandroba when Sandroba stopped acting like a townie. If you think that's suspicious you need to learn how to play this game. Furthermore the reason I'm voting sandroba is not inactivity and if you don't think he's scummy I want to hear concrete reasons why from you. | ||
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Also, I was roleblocked. ##vote syllogism | ||
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On November 25 2012 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote: wtf just happened. Does anyone have any idea? maybe a minigame or a riddle. | ||
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On November 25 2012 10:16 Djodref wrote: I took 30 damage ! I propose myself as a party leader for today ! My team would consist of Acro, Clarity and Dieno ! I'm quite confident to pull off a success for the event with such a team ^^ Why not syllo? The way I understood it he can't be elected but he can still be a groupmember. | ||
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On November 25 2012 10:19 goodkarma wrote: That makes things harder... So, it should be a no-brainer to shoo in one of the people from the previous successful party. I would rather not have dienosaur as party leader. Between Oats and Keir, I flipped a coin and it came up... ##Vote: Keirathi But in all seriousness, Oats and Keir do not have Syllo-esque reads, and I believe it would be best if they have some guidance for who else they bring. Even if it's just Syllo telling one of them exactly what to do (In fact, I'd approve of this idea.). What kind of selection process is that... | ||
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The countdown might also be for something one or all of us did in the thread. Like chances, if we do something ten times something bad/good will happen (most likely bad). I think your party's are bad and as such I'll be running for partyleader. Preliminarily my team will consist of syllogism, oats and chronicler. | ||
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On November 25 2012 22:44 syllogism wrote: Risk what do you think about Prom I'll look him over now. | ||
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On November 25 2012 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Risk, I am not taking your party seriously. Why in the flipping world would you not take Dien with you? WHY? Because he appears to be getting the shit kicked out of him by this magus guy that's why. | ||
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On November 25 2012 22:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Party success is determined before night actions. So there is no way he can die before the party success is determined Yes but nothing says that HP isn't a factor. | ||
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His filter is pretty long and confusing, it's hard to determine what is fluff and not. First couple of posts, he post-talk a lot (nothing of value). I recall someone saying him wanting to limit the candidates to 3-5 was scummy. I don't really agree, I think limiting candidates is the right way to go. He nominated Acro for candidate as competion for sandroba and then moved on to kita. (I think his townread is acro looks very easy to fake) Also I think this was after sandroba had lost his momentum. Regarding his claim. (If I understand correctly "everyone who targets his target is roleblocked") He immediately assumes Sandroba targeted Syllogism disregarding other reasons for why Sandroba could had been roleblocked. Seems fishy because Sandroba seemed like a very reasonable target for town roleblockers. I'm not really of a mind to say if it's a mafia abillity of a town abillity, I've never seen any abillity simmilar to his his before and I haven't figured out enough of the setup to analyse with deduction. I'm not sure what I think of him, his behavior is suspicious but he have several huge posts where he seems to be involved. | ||
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On November 25 2012 23:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Nothing says that HP is a factor. Yeah but why gamble. I think it makes sense if hp is a factor. Additionally in games like this there are likely dangers to rolenameclaiming. I really don't see the benefit of putting a near dead nameouted person on the team over syllogism. On November 25 2012 23:28 syllogism wrote: Risk if you had to pick fourth person onto your team, who would that be? Are you going to tell me what you thought about prom? Assuming I couldn't take Keir. Clarity maybe. | ||
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On November 25 2012 23:45 marvellosity wrote: So was Prome also 'guessing' that I had targeted syllogism then? I don't know if he lied about his ability, I'm suspicious of his resulting behaviour. | ||
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On November 25 2012 23:56 Djodref wrote: Toad is 99% scum For toad to be town, it would take
On a side note, I think that Hopeless is likely to be his scum partner and that Toad really need to have vote cast on him at each cycle. The robot claim was the fakeclaim associated to his role, I would say. Okay, I guess that everybody would agree on this one already, so that wasn't my main point. How do we handle him ? I think the safest way would be to roleblock him until we can kill him during the day. I think that night actions directed towards him are likely to be redirected via busses by the mafia team or 3rd party players. Does anybody has an idea about how we could safely get rid of him instead of using a lynch ? Toad is definitely scum. Two players claiming copchecks. And sandroba had the framebus and he was roleblocked (unless he lied). As to your question, there is no failsafe way to kill him except dayvigs/lynch. | ||
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On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote: I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. | ||
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On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote: Well, I would not vote for the following reasons
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. | ||
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Look you need to start understanding the setup. We've had two cycles and nobody died. This is not the average mafia game where scum race to kill townies at night and town lynch mafia at day. We obviously have to much hp for that. Our wincondition is killing Lavos. We have too much hp for it to be just a straight transfer from the regular health system. So what is HP for? We know it's important because mafia have ability's to lower hp and we seem to have abillitys to restore it. I'm not saying people can't be killed with it but I don't think it's its main purpose. What do we know about the setup except that we need to kill lavos. It revoles around completing missions. This is addition to mafias low kp leads me to believe mafia is likely working more like saboteurs trying to fail missions to weaken the town for the upcoming battle. So what can potentially have an effect on the success of a mission. What I can think of is Hidden sucess modifers. HP. Town:Mafia ratio. Mafia abillitys. I think that in order to complete a mission the chosen group need to have a certain score and that score is determined by HP and HSM. And this is why I don't want to send anyone with low hp. | ||
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On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote: you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. | ||
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On November 26 2012 02:19 marvellosity wrote: I always listen to you, I just don't let anyone know. Shh! On a serious matter, if you think Chronicledude is town and telling the truth, why don't you think Toad is necessarily scum? Yes but generally people assume I have extra knowledge and this is how they tend to react (pickyourpoison) And CJ has the right of it. If acro is 1-shot he should had claimed immediately. And he did not push toad very hard. | ||
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On November 26 2012 02:37 marvellosity wrote: yeah, what Hopeless quoted. Unless it's a misunderstanding. Yeah I ment toad didn't seem nailed before chronicler claimed the check. | ||
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syllo, care to weigh on on what I think regarding HP and HSM? | ||
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On November 26 2012 03:30 Keirathi wrote: No it's not useless. For instance, I think the probable scenario is something like this: Normal Townies: 100 HMS High HMS Townies: 250 HMS Low HMS Townies: 40 HMS Normal Mafia: -300 HMS When the mission starts, if the total HMS value of the group is > 0, the event is successful. (These are obviously just made up numbers. Just an example for context.) Even if I believed a system like that likely the problem is those numbers are values. And values are not Modifiers. Thus we would had been told each player have a hidden/unknown success value. | ||
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On November 26 2012 04:18 Hopeless1der wrote: We're you given a "you have x total gold" or "you have received x amount of gold"? The latter suggests we can give you gold. Gotta read the setup you guys...
I need to remind myself to go back and read the setup, I always forget things a week or so after I read it and assume everything I don't remember is hidden. People were talking about modifiers in the thread, I guess it started out with someone thinking it was the same thing. Still doesn't change how I feel about HP though. | ||
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##vote oats I really would prefer if you replaced dieno with syllo though. | ||
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On November 26 2012 18:35 Djodref wrote: There is no democracy in this town. Only one party. Totalitarism is bad for discussion though... Yeah but bringing up others when they have no chance of being elected is just wifom territory anyway. | ||
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On November 26 2012 18:50 Promethelax wrote: Dieno: could you tell us what you infer from your crazy maps? Those help us as much as me posting a list of player names with everyone shaded a different shade of purple. It probably means something to me but you have no idea what. It's more simmilar to posting bad/useless lists. Except worse. | ||
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On November 26 2012 18:51 Promethelax wrote: Risk: no comments on the last 14 hours? I'm in school, I've only briefly read through the thread as I ate breakfast, didn't see anything I felt like commenting on. Feel free to ask me something you want me to comment on, it will serve to motivate me to actually have a closer look at it. | ||
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On November 26 2012 18:53 Promethelax wrote: I think it has gone past that to totally meaningless. That is why I want his conclusions. If ntohing else they are good for a laugh. Didn't he say it was a relationship map. Hence I assume he makes connections every time two players comments or mentions each other. The point is a map like that tells us nothing. In my early mafia days I tried to make a more advanced version of that and all it really was was enormously time consuming and the final information I read out of it was unrewarding. On November 26 2012 18:59 Promethelax wrote: In a rather selfish way I'd like you to look at Syllo's scum read of me. I don't see where it comes from at all and he hasn't done a good job of supporting it even if there is some merit to his case in his eyes. I'd like you, as a more experienced player, to tell me 1)Why Syllo would be so blase about pressuring me if he actually thought I was scum and 2)if you think I am scum and why/why not. In addition I'd like to hear your thoughts on the party selection, you have said you'd prefer Syllo over dieno, why is that? Syllo asked me that same question a while ago. As for if he's convinced your scum and doesn't push you it could be because he doesn't have a way to kill you anytime soon. I myself usually doesn't bother pushing scumreads if there is no lynch within 48 hours or there is a high chance of vigs. If you've read my filter you'd know I think it's potentially risky to send a person with low hp. Syllo is safer imo. As for my own thoughts. The case on you have merit but there are other people I want dead more. | ||
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On November 26 2012 19:27 Promethelax wrote: I'd like the conclusions you feel are most important, the ones you think I should be paying attention to. Risk: who are those you feel more strongly about than me as scum? Since I am (as far as I can tell) on your be-wary-of-but-don't-bother to-deal-with-yet list. I'd also like your opinion on the necessity of a name claim from me, esspecially for the reason which Syllo gave. That's actually an excellent description of how I feel about you. As for people I want dead I have Toad and then VIscera, Adam and CJ. I don't agree with Syllos reason to why you should claim your name. It might help to determine if it fits your role but I don't think it will exhaust one of mafias safe claims if you're scum. | ||
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On November 26 2012 23:00 Oatsmaster wrote: if 3 of them are scum, who credible is gonna push their cases for them? No one wins if no one votes for them beside themselves. Im just sad that my initial read on Toad was wrong Theoretically, the more of them that run the higher chances townies will pick one of them up to be elected. And Syllo. I can also write 4 names and point fingers while conveniently claiming that I can change any name anytime I want because I haven't read the thread. If you're going to show up then do it right or don't bother. | ||
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On November 28 2012 01:43 Acrofales wrote: I can't say what I need to do, because anybody with Chrono Trigger lore knowledge will probably be able to figure out who I am. As there's probably mechanisms to prevent that from being a good idea, you'll just have to trust me. Have I given you any reason not to trust me? Lets put it this way, If you were third party who's objective would hurt town. Would you claim that or something in the lines of what you just did? | ||
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On November 28 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote: I would lie my ass off. However, I would probably not be leaking 3rd party on all sides. I am a better player than that and you should know it. I played the way I did precisely because I am helping town. If you have any specific accusations, go ahead and make them. You were suspected as scum even with the play you've played. Playing worse might had gotten you lynched already. You're asking us to trust you but you should understand there is no way that's going to happen. | ||
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And the reason your [tags] mess up your post is most likely because when you're doing double tags (red)(b)Example(/b)(/red) make sure the inner and outer tags on both sides is the same. Example do not do (b)(red)Example(/b)(/red). It messes up tags under some conditions. | ||
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On November 29 2012 21:58 Clarity_nl wrote: Could you explain what a paranoid gunman ability is? There's a lot of terms flying around that I'm simply not used to. By the sound of it, you damage anyone who "visits" you? It's an unusual role. http://wiki.scumhunt.com/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner | ||
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And I didn't know if inviting someone counted as a roleblockable action. But hey thanks for outing my name... there probably will be no consequences. | ||
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Greymist: Its the inside of a Tent! Its strangely dark and there appears to be a crystal ball on a table. | ||
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On November 30 2012 01:48 syllogism wrote: It's an incredibly suboptimal way regardless of alignment and some of the things that were said by you were just mindboggling. It doesn't help that, of course, that I was suspicious of your play even before that so I'm interpreting everything through that prism. What kind of consequences do you expect there to be for outing a name of a minor character? You didn't even think it was important to keep it secret as you voluntarily divulged the name before anyone even had posted in the QT. We've had two major characters claim their names and neither of them has even been roleblocked yet. I don't know this is a heavily themed greymist game. For all we know there is third party out there who's objective is to kill me or someone else and now knows it's not me. Then there is the general always a downside to nameclaiming to prevent people from trying to mass-claim. For all we know at any point in the game the mafia can wipe out everyone who's name they know. So now it's your turn. Please, tell me the benefits of nameclaim? | ||
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On November 30 2012 01:55 Acrofales wrote: @risk: you're here and all you're doing is bitchfighting with syllo. It's pointless. Syllo has posted his thoughts about what your reasons are. They sound fake made-up bullshit reasons to me, but I'm getting them filtered through Syllo. How about YOU tell us your reasons for inviting all those players. Why GK, Keirathi, Syllo and Dieno. Why that order? What is it you're trying to accomplish in your QT? Why claim you can damage people in there and then only invite town reads? And while you're answering questions, answer the ones I have now posted twice already. I saw it as more valuable to try and create a town masoncircle. I adviced GK not to claim in the qt but he did it anyway. After that I only wanted to invite near-confirmed townies. | ||
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On November 30 2012 02:04 syllogism wrote: You ignored half of the post but that's okay, I will answer anyway. The name was required because it is suspicious when combined with the flavor provided in the QT. It could be completely meaningless, but it's still potentially evidence. I asked grey about it. It was ONLY flavor. As for the other reason. I revealed MY name in the qt because unless mafia have some sort of spy ability I would have full control of who could see it. YOU outed MY name to the THREAD without even asking my opinion about it. You've did nothing constructive when you joined the qt. You could had tried to interrogate me about reads if you believed I was mafia but you were to bloody lazy and got pissed when I called you a little girl bitch so you decided to out everything for no gain. | ||
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Also can the person who roleblocked me claim. Nobody claims --> mafia roleblock. | ||
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On December 01 2012 08:59 GreYMisT wrote: Boss Battle: Slash You have 3 options to choose for your party to try to defeat Slash! A) Grab for that sword on the wall! B) “Fuck It!” – All players charge in at once! C) Use the last of your MP on a triple tech attempt! Boss Battle: Flea You have 4 options to choose for your party to try to defeat Flea! A) Triple Tech attack first B) “Clarity_nl “ attacks first! C) “Dienosore “attacks first! D) “ Djodref“ attacks first! E) “ Oatsmaster“ attacks first! Grab for the sword sounds fishy as hell. I'm going to vote B & E | ||
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Hapas first ability sound like bogus. The second sound like scum. | ||
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On December 03 2012 17:18 phagga wrote: That post sounds like scum. you have posted almost nothing in the last 72 hours, and all you do is trying to judge a player on is claimed abilities. Hapa has posted a lot in the last few hours, why don't you comment on that? You don't see the irony do you... | ||
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On December 04 2012 21:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Can't go there, plus you must be oblivious to the fact of getting lynched to make such a meager post. Pretty sure you just claimed scum. looks like it | ||
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On December 05 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote: This makes no sense whatsoever. Why the hell would you invite a bunch of town-reads to a circle that completely neuters your damage ability. I'm not buying it. Becauase I deemed my damage abillity weak compared to a masoncircle. | ||
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I'll let you know who I want to kill but not now, I still I haven't read hapas filter. | ||
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Why would I not want more people in my tent. I thought the main case for my role being scum was I wanted to fill up my tent and shoot townies. | ||
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I'm active now because now I have something to do and this game doesn't make me drowsy looking at it. | ||
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