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##Hire: Henchmen
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Hi, I'd proposed myself to lead the party since I feel I possess the essential quality's we'd want for a mission leader. But I feel I'm late to sign myself up and as it stands there already is already a candidate I want to support. As it stands right now I want Sandroba for our first party leader.
No disrespect to marv who's one of the best scumhunters I know on these forums but a scumhunter isn't what we need today.
I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak.
We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play.
We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies.
This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination.
Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays.
##Vote: Sandroba
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On November 21 2012 10:51 Acrofales wrote:This is going to be so much fun. I finally made it into a greymist game  I am going to go out and assume that Lavos will be a game element and not a player, seeing as he will be "summoned" later in the game. So I am going to assume that the quests are to get to Lavos, and get any town advantages we can on the way (somewhat similar to Resistance mafia). My suggestion is thus to play this just like resistance mafia. Everybody suggests the party they will make if chosen as leader today and gives their reasons. This should be done by 12 hours (or maybe 6, given that it's day 1 and people still need to get going) before the deadline, giving people time to vote on their preferred party leader. To get the discussion started, I would currently choose Marv, Sandro and Syllo along: I know them, I know Sandro and Syllo work well together, and I know they are all good players. I have no clue what the quest will be, so bringing the best players simply seems prudent. However, as the day goes on this may change if I get clear scum reads on any of them. For Sandro and Syllo I feel a scumread is viable in D1. I don't think I can get a read on Marv in D1, but he's still more readable than Toad, who I would otherwise put in that spot.
Acrofales, can you elaborate why you immediately wanted to pick Sandroba, Marv, Syllo to go? What did you think would be the benefits and risks of sending three of our best players?
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On November 21 2012 20:45 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 19:29 risk.nuke wrote:On November 21 2012 10:51 Acrofales wrote:This is going to be so much fun. I finally made it into a greymist game I am going to go out and assume that Lavos will be a game element and not a player, seeing as he will be "summoned" later in the game. So I am going to assume that the quests are to get to Lavos, and get any town advantages we can on the way (somewhat similar to Resistance mafia). My suggestion is thus to play this just like resistance mafia. Everybody suggests the party they will make if chosen as leader today and gives their reasons. This should be done by 12 hours (or maybe 6, given that it's day 1 and people still need to get going) before the deadline, giving people time to vote on their preferred party leader. To get the discussion started, I would currently choose Marv, Sandro and Syllo along: I know them, I know Sandro and Syllo work well together, and I know they are all good players. I have no clue what the quest will be, so bringing the best players simply seems prudent. However, as the day goes on this may change if I get clear scum reads on any of them. For Sandro and Syllo I feel a scumread is viable in D1. I don't think I can get a read on Marv in D1, but he's still more readable than Toad, who I would otherwise put in that spot. Acrofales, can you elaborate why you immediately wanted to pick Sandroba, Marv, Syllo to go? What did you think would be the benefits and risks of sending three of our best players? Not reading the thread already? I was under the impression (and still expect it to be a very real possibility), that a successful mission will give the party members benefits (items, mason chat, a level up, whatever) that will help us root out mafia and/or directly aid us in fighting Lavos. The best players in the game are naturally the best equipped to use such perks. That is, if they're town. Sandro brought up a good counterargument, and making scum choose between shooting likely party members and shooting experienced town players is a good policy. On that note, @Sandro: you have not explained why this policy is pretty much the complete opposite of your proposal in Holy Roman, where you (a veteran and likely target for scum kp) wanted yourself as emperor (and thus a likely target for scum kp) precisely because you are an experienced player. On a similar note, if we follow that logic through, Sandro should not be party leader.
No I read your arguments, but they sounded inadequate and non thought through. What really rubbed me the wrong way was your disregard for individual alignment amongst your list. Right now I feel you didn't care, you just wanted an elite team to go under the pretext that they would be best equipped. You purposefully ignored or didn't consider the risks of a team like that and I really don't like that.
On November 21 2012 21:09 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 18:13 Keirathi wrote:
Syllogism/sandroba:
You guys have ignored us, but what do you think of Toads reasoning for me being scum? Do you think I'm scum?
What about Deinos 2 scum reads and 2 town reads? Agree or disagree with any of them? I think his reasoning is weak and your subsequent posts in which you attract more attention towards the fact that someone thinks you are mafia are fairly towny. I do not like your marv or no "vet" as a leader strategy at all, however. Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 18:34 risk.nuke wrote:
Hi, I'd proposed myself to lead the party since I feel I possess the essential quality's we'd want for a mission leader. But I feel I'm late to sign myself up and as it stands there already is already a candidate I want to support. As it stands right now I want Sandroba for our first party leader.
No disrespect to marv who's one of the best scumhunters I know on these forums but a scumhunter isn't what we need today.
I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak.
We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play.
We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies.
This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination.
Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays.
##Vote: Sandroba Perhaps I'm reading too much into this as being transparent when justifying your party leader vote is good, but this seems overly explanatory. I don't understand what's the point of mentioning that you were going to propose yourself nor why there was a need to mention marv at all (as a side note, I'm surprised that you hold him in this high regard; it's not something I'm used to hearing from you). One motive for saying that you intended to propose yourself could be that townies are "expected" to nominate themselves. The focus of the post is less on what Sandroba has done in this game and more on his general strengths. I'm used to a more direct risk nuke. I agree with your suspicions on acrofales, however.
Well the reason I said I would had proposed myself was because if I had been here when the game had started I would had. When I first saw the day1 post I wanted to nominate myself but I decided I'd read through the whole thread first and when I had It no longer seemed viable. It was just part of my thought process. As for Marv, Marv is a player who've lately impressed me with his scumhuntingskills. However that wasn't the reason I mentioned him. The reason I brought him up is a lot of the players in this game does not know you or sandroba. To them Marv is more real then you which I felt caused a very biased support for him amongst the newer players. Which is also entwined with why I gave pretty detailed reasoning about Sandroba.
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On November 21 2012 23:44 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 23:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes, I dont really care but since other people are basically using them, why not ask? It doesnt hurt you if you are town right?
I really suggest you start giving opinions on matters so that the players are able to make a read on you..; I think dieno is newbie town, I think you are newbie town. Marv seemed sincere in his reasons of why he isn't running. If I had to pick a party leader at this instant, it would be syllo. But I have not read any of his older games yet so I'm going mostly off of what others are saying. The reason marv is saying I haven't been as constructive yet has a couple of reasons, but the main one is that this is a bigger game than I'm used to. I'm fine with the activity but the interactions are much more complex as a result. I think my first 16-24 hours are just me getting my bearings though.
What has people been saying in particular that makes you feel confident in syllo?
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On November 22 2012 00:20 kushm4sta wrote:
Holy fuck this thread is so long and 99% of it is about who are we voting leader, which I really don't care about.
Not much thought put into this decision but
##vote sandroba
Good town, easy to distinguish town from scum.
Do you care about who goes on missions? Earlier you said you wanted to send scummy people on missions. Do you still want to do that? Additionally, what did you mean with sending scummy people would give us more to analyse?
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And speaking of old opinions. Acrofales, do you still advocate sending a team containing mostly vets. If not explain which reasons made you change your mind?
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On November 22 2012 01:34 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 00:34 risk.nuke wrote:
And speaking of old opinions. Acrofales, do you still advocate sending a team containing mostly vets. If not explain which reasons made you change your mind? Didn't I already answer that question? Oh yes. I remember. I did: Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 20:45 Acrofales wrote:On November 21 2012 19:29 risk.nuke wrote:On November 21 2012 10:51 Acrofales wrote:This is going to be so much fun. I finally made it into a greymist game I am going to go out and assume that Lavos will be a game element and not a player, seeing as he will be "summoned" later in the game. So I am going to assume that the quests are to get to Lavos, and get any town advantages we can on the way (somewhat similar to Resistance mafia). My suggestion is thus to play this just like resistance mafia. Everybody suggests the party they will make if chosen as leader today and gives their reasons. This should be done by 12 hours (or maybe 6, given that it's day 1 and people still need to get going) before the deadline, giving people time to vote on their preferred party leader. To get the discussion started, I would currently choose Marv, Sandro and Syllo along: I know them, I know Sandro and Syllo work well together, and I know they are all good players. I have no clue what the quest will be, so bringing the best players simply seems prudent. However, as the day goes on this may change if I get clear scum reads on any of them. For Sandro and Syllo I feel a scumread is viable in D1. I don't think I can get a read on Marv in D1, but he's still more readable than Toad, who I would otherwise put in that spot. Acrofales, can you elaborate why you immediately wanted to pick Sandroba, Marv, Syllo to go? What did you think would be the benefits and risks of sending three of our best players? Not reading the thread already? I was under the impression (and still expect it to be a very real possibility), that a successful mission will give the party members benefits (items, mason chat, a level up, whatever) that will help us root out mafia and/or directly aid us in fighting Lavos. The best players in the game are naturally the best equipped to use such perks. That is, if they're town. Sandro brought up a good counterargument, and making scum choose between shooting likely party members and shooting experienced town players is a good policy. On that note, @Sandro: you have not explained why this policy is pretty much the complete opposite of your proposal in Holy Roman, where you (a veteran and likely target for scum kp) wanted yourself as emperor (and thus a likely target for scum kp) precisely because you are an experienced player. On a similar note, if we follow that logic through, Sandro should not be party leader. At the time, I was leaning Djoref, because I was feeling town on him, and sending a somewhat experienced town seemed better than veteran Sandro with 3 noobies. However, he says he cannot commit the time, leaving us with Sandro and Syllo. Iamperfection and Dino are unfortunately not serious candidates for me. Perfection is way too focused on people seeing him as town and not nearly focused enough on playing the game. Dino is fluffy. Talking about fluffy, where is BioSC?
No you haven't answered the question. I know where you stand on the mission leader. You've said you endorse both sandroba and syllogism and voted sandroba. But for the rest of the party? Do you still think veterans should be selected by sandroba to go on the mission? Or should I take your vote on sandroba (who've hinted he intend to send less known players) that you no longer support that idea. And if so my question was why.
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On November 22 2012 02:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 01:41 risk.nuke wrote:On November 22 2012 01:34 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 00:34 risk.nuke wrote:
And speaking of old opinions. Acrofales, do you still advocate sending a team containing mostly vets. If not explain which reasons made you change your mind? Didn't I already answer that question? Oh yes. I remember. I did: On November 21 2012 20:45 Acrofales wrote:On November 21 2012 19:29 risk.nuke wrote:On November 21 2012 10:51 Acrofales wrote:This is going to be so much fun. I finally made it into a greymist game I am going to go out and assume that Lavos will be a game element and not a player, seeing as he will be "summoned" later in the game. So I am going to assume that the quests are to get to Lavos, and get any town advantages we can on the way (somewhat similar to Resistance mafia). My suggestion is thus to play this just like resistance mafia. Everybody suggests the party they will make if chosen as leader today and gives their reasons. This should be done by 12 hours (or maybe 6, given that it's day 1 and people still need to get going) before the deadline, giving people time to vote on their preferred party leader. To get the discussion started, I would currently choose Marv, Sandro and Syllo along: I know them, I know Sandro and Syllo work well together, and I know they are all good players. I have no clue what the quest will be, so bringing the best players simply seems prudent. However, as the day goes on this may change if I get clear scum reads on any of them. For Sandro and Syllo I feel a scumread is viable in D1. I don't think I can get a read on Marv in D1, but he's still more readable than Toad, who I would otherwise put in that spot. Acrofales, can you elaborate why you immediately wanted to pick Sandroba, Marv, Syllo to go? What did you think would be the benefits and risks of sending three of our best players? Not reading the thread already? I was under the impression (and still expect it to be a very real possibility), that a successful mission will give the party members benefits (items, mason chat, a level up, whatever) that will help us root out mafia and/or directly aid us in fighting Lavos. The best players in the game are naturally the best equipped to use such perks. That is, if they're town. Sandro brought up a good counterargument, and making scum choose between shooting likely party members and shooting experienced town players is a good policy. On that note, @Sandro: you have not explained why this policy is pretty much the complete opposite of your proposal in Holy Roman, where you (a veteran and likely target for scum kp) wanted yourself as emperor (and thus a likely target for scum kp) precisely because you are an experienced player. On a similar note, if we follow that logic through, Sandro should not be party leader. At the time, I was leaning Djoref, because I was feeling town on him, and sending a somewhat experienced town seemed better than veteran Sandro with 3 noobies. However, he says he cannot commit the time, leaving us with Sandro and Syllo. Iamperfection and Dino are unfortunately not serious candidates for me. Perfection is way too focused on people seeing him as town and not nearly focused enough on playing the game. Dino is fluffy. Talking about fluffy, where is BioSC? No you haven't answered the question. I know where you stand on the mission leader. You've said you endorse both sandroba and syllogism and voted sandroba. But for the rest of the party? Do you still think veterans should be selected by sandroba to go on the mission? Or should I take your vote on sandroba (who've hinted he intend to send less known players) that you no longer support that idea. And if so my question was why. Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 20:45 Acrofales wrote:On November 21 2012 19:29 risk.nuke wrote:On November 21 2012 10:51 Acrofales wrote:This is going to be so much fun. I finally made it into a greymist game I am going to go out and assume that Lavos will be a game element and not a player, seeing as he will be "summoned" later in the game. So I am going to assume that the quests are to get to Lavos, and get any town advantages we can on the way (somewhat similar to Resistance mafia). My suggestion is thus to play this just like resistance mafia. Everybody suggests the party they will make if chosen as leader today and gives their reasons. This should be done by 12 hours (or maybe 6, given that it's day 1 and people still need to get going) before the deadline, giving people time to vote on their preferred party leader. To get the discussion started, I would currently choose Marv, Sandro and Syllo along: I know them, I know Sandro and Syllo work well together, and I know they are all good players. I have no clue what the quest will be, so bringing the best players simply seems prudent. However, as the day goes on this may change if I get clear scum reads on any of them. For Sandro and Syllo I feel a scumread is viable in D1. I don't think I can get a read on Marv in D1, but he's still more readable than Toad, who I would otherwise put in that spot. Acrofales, can you elaborate why you immediately wanted to pick Sandroba, Marv, Syllo to go? What did you think would be the benefits and risks of sending three of our best players? Not reading the thread already? I was under the impression (and still expect it to be a very real possibility), that a successful mission will give the party members benefits (items, mason chat, a level up, whatever) that will help us root out mafia and/or directly aid us in fighting Lavos. The best players in the game are naturally the best equipped to use such perks. That is, if they're town. Sandro brought up a good counterargument, and making scum choose between shooting likely party members and shooting experienced town players is a good policy.On that note, @Sandro: you have not explained why this policy is pretty much the complete opposite of your proposal in Holy Roman, where you (a veteran and likely target for scum kp) wanted yourself as emperor (and thus a likely target for scum kp) precisely because you are an experienced player. On a similar note, if we follow that logic through, Sandro should not be party leader. Made it big bold and blue, because you apparently can't read otherwise. It means I like Sandro's policy and agree that as long as town people are picked I don't mind them being newbs who may not be able to best use any potential rewards, because veterans could be too much of a target for scum KP in any case without heaping more on.
Wrong. That ment Sandroba brought up a good argument. It said nothing about you changing your stance. But whatever.
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On November 22 2012 03:56 BioSC wrote:
Good morning folks, glad to see the game has started in full swing. I've got a LOT to catch up on, see you in 20-30 mins.
How's it going?
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On November 22 2012 06:14 BioSC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:10 risk.nuke wrote:On November 22 2012 03:56 BioSC wrote:
Good morning folks, glad to see the game has started in full swing. I've got a LOT to catch up on, see you in 20-30 mins.
How's it going? You sniped me...
Yeah sorry,
On November 22 2012 06:14 BioSC wrote:Kay, that took longer than I thought. You guys type too much. Re-reading through the OP/Daypost, I firmly believe that it's in towns best interest to win each event. Hurp derp, obvious, I know, but the plans to intentionally put someone who's "questionable" on the team a bad idea since if he is scum, it may result in a lost event. I believe, at least for this cycle, we should be putting 4 people together who are most likely town to try an win this and every challenge. Should the event fail, then we can have a look at people on the team who are most likely to be scum and act accordingly. Now, boiling away all the fat from the discussion, a few people have popped up for the leaders, both of whom I would have no problems electing as party leader, Syllo and Sandroba. I'm liking Sandroba simply because I agree with his plan insomuch as picking town reads. The way he stated it and stated it early makes me have a town read on him early. I would, however, like him to at least let us know whom he plans on picking party-wise, so if he's elected party leader we can know his thought process behind each individual. Syllogism for much of the same reason, simple plan of trying to win the events which I can get behind. This post in particular stuck out to me as why I would be ok with supporting him as well. Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 17:33 syllogism wrote:
But getting a team together is not a collective effort; players only have to identify one likely townie who is also likely capable of identifying 3 additional ones. If I was a party leader, I wouldn't pay much attention to who most people think are town. As such I suppose it can be argued the possible party leaders should devote more time on town hunting, but everyone else should mostly just justify their party leader vote and spend the rest of their efforts on finding mafia.
Do you agree that it's easier to get reads if people post and explain their mafia reads than if they only talk about who they find to likely be town? Finally, I would have supported Marv for party leader, but since he doesn't want it, it would be silly to vote for him. I do believe him to be town, based on his response to Chronic's plan: Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:45 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 12:42 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:41 marvellosity wrote:
i wonder how long we can discuss this infinitely awful idea for. Respond to my modified version? if i'm leader and i choose my strongest 3 townreads, why the fuck do I want people who aren't strong reads on my team? I chose those 3 people for a reason. People will be discussing who should potentially be in any party anyway. No-one is prevented from doing this, so giving them some arbitrary power to choose doesn't add anything. When it comes down to it, you want the 4 people likeliest to be townie in the party. We need the leader to be accountable for his choices, and rolling dice or random choice isn't the way to do that. In some Bizzaro world where I was elected Party leader, those would be my choices on whom to accompany me, and why. Another Note: Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote:On November 21 2012 16:12 phagga wrote:
I like Sandroba's plan, his logic is sound. However, I find it dangerous to derive a town read from it, nothing is stopping scum to put up this plan to get themselfes elected.
Why is everyone asking for town reads? I understand that the mechanics are working differently, but everyone just spreading their townreads like the flu will only make it easier for scum to decide who to shoot at night. People like Keirathi and me who have no desire in being elected D1 should not be giving out any townreads, instead we can actually scum hunt in the traditional way and establish ourselfes as town this way. I even think that most candidates should not be throwing out their town reads unless they seem to be a serious candidate (meaning several people have voiced interest in voting that person). The reason we're not doing traditional scumhunting is because we don't have the power to lynch scum. Our time is best used determining who is most likely town, as we're (hopefully) voting for townies as party leader. I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting. Hope that helps. I see a couple people have questions for me. I'll make a followup post for them within the hour and then I'm calling it a night. Scumhunting is always usefull. But, I agree to a point with this quote. We aren't lynching someone this cycle (That we know of), we are electing a Party Leader, which implys that we need to find town, hence, townhunting is important, at least for this cycle. In the end, however, we do need to find scum, so that town KP can be directed towards scum, and so that we DON'T elect them to the party at all. I've got a couple more hours left before I leave to go visit with family and then I won't be back until late (Central US time).
Hypothetically if you were elected partyleader now, who would you choose to bring?
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On November 22 2012 06:35 marvellosity wrote:
risk, it says right there in the post.
Come on now.
I'm an idiot, I mixed things up. Carry on.
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On November 22 2012 06:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:46 iamperfection wrote:
@ Marv
What do you think of bios town read on you. I think it is bs and it seems like to me it was a pre calculated move to come into the thread with. I dont see how anyone can drop a strong town read and i can see you easily saying that quote in his post regardless of alignment
Bios post also doesn't say much at all just that he doesn't have a problem what is going on.
Im thinking scum You've played way more games with me than Bio, though, who's played with me... once maybe? And certainly not for a long time. The fashionable read on marvelbabe is that I'm hard to read day 1, and he didn't go with that so meh. I can see how if you're not familiar with my play that he could see what I said there as a towntell anyways. I'd like Bio to say some shizzle on the more controversial topics, like his opinions on Cave/Denisore for example. Clarity - Cave is still bad or scum or both, and the important thing is that he doesn't get invited on today's event.
I wouldn't really call Cave & Denisore controversial.
Anyone actually have a townread on them? Denisore might just be daft but when Cave posted about Syllos withdrawal I almost swapped my vote to syllo that instant.
I'm starting to wonder if syllo might be a safer vote then sandroba. Or I'm just getting paranoid because sandroba haven't posted in a while.
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I think the hosts said the team would be in the daypost.
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On November 22 2012 16:53 syllogism wrote:
When I said I may reveal who I am going to pick after the day post, I meant that I might explain why I picked the team I did, not just list the names as that is obviously unnecessary
What? What benefit would it be not to explain the reasoning for why you picked them?
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On November 22 2012 17:02 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 16:58 risk.nuke wrote:On November 22 2012 16:53 syllogism wrote:
When I said I may reveal who I am going to pick after the day post, I meant that I might explain why I picked the team I did, not just list the names as that is obviously unnecessary What? What benefit would it be not to explain the reasoning for why you picked them? If the mission is a success and everyone considers me town anyway I don't think that's necessary and I would then rather be lazy.
I'm not a fan of your lazy-when-I-feel-like-it strategy. It still feels like you should have your reads on why you picked your team already. It shouldn't be that much of an effort to scribble them down.
What do you think of leader-candidates outside you and sandroba? (feel free to ignore kitaman)
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Sandroba, what do you think of candidates beside yourself and Syllo? If both of you were suddenly made unable to lead. Who would you vote for?
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It's a theoretical question, Humor me.
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On November 22 2012 18:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the Candidates are consolidated to
GoodKarma:
Party Members: Oats, Djo, Sand
Syllo:
Party Members: He does not want to reveal at this time.
Sandro:
Party Members: Oats, Dien, Kush(If he doesnt die)
Kita:
Party Members: Acro, Dien, Prome
I agree with Phagga, Can you explain why you put Sandroba on your team?
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