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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
Acro has done more for this town than just about anyone and you want to lynch him while hes AFK? We lynch Austin today. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 10 2012 12:28 Adam4167 wrote: No, screw this dumb line of thinking. Acro has done more for this town than just about anyone and you want to lynch him while hes AFK? We lynch Austin today. You and Syllo both have this line of reasoning, and I don't understand it at ALL. (1) Acro has done more for this town than just about anyone (2) Acro is NOT town (3) We don't actually KNOW Acro's wincon or really what he does, in full You want to leave him alive because he's done a lot for town. But you know he's NOT town. If you were in a 3-man LYLO situation in another game, and one of the two other guys claimed scum in the the thread, just typed "I'm scum," but had been super townie all game and had made cases on his scumbuddies, etc., wouldn't you still lynch that guy? You wouldn't let scum win that game just because the scum player had helped town so much. Yes, Acro is probably not scum (technically, do we actually KNOW this? We just have a parity check, right?). But you don't know his wincon, you don't know what he can do next cycle, and you DO know that he won't add to town's KP against lavos. But it's cool, because he's helped town. That's the sort of thinking that makes Holy Roman happen. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On December 10 2012 11:36 Promethelax wrote: Not necessarily. I'll know that when I have all the information. What. So what changed from earlier from not wanting me even to claim the name of an ability to wanting people's role names?? | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
I also don't care what Acro's win condition is at this point, I said earlier, I have no beef with 3rd party. What I see now is someone under suspicion trying to sway the town into voting a 3rd party because there's no more easy lynches. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I do loves me some speculation, so...was anyone else having similar thoughts? That we've got the remaining scum buried somewhere? Assuming scum DID bury someone, anyone else have ideas as to roles that you'd risk so much to protect? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 10 2012 12:59 Adam4167 wrote: Yeah I really don't care what happened in Holy Roman. I also don't care what Acro's win condition is at this point, I said earlier, I have no beef with 3rd party. What I see now is someone under suspicion trying to sway the town into voting a 3rd party because there's no more easy lynches. Hi there. I'm the easy lynch. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
And town's wincon is to kill lavos. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On December 10 2012 12:59 austinmcc wrote: Going to sleep. I do loves me some speculation, so...was anyone else having similar thoughts? That we've got the remaining scum buried somewhere? Assuming scum DID bury someone, anyone else have ideas as to roles that you'd risk so much to protect? Of course I've had similar paranoid thoughts. The problem with that is, are we sure that scum knew what would happen when Lavos appeared? If they didn't than they could not have played for this endgame. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
The guy has been fairly disinterested for a long stretch here, which is neither town nor scum indicative given how tired we all are of this game... However, what's stood out most to me about his play is that the only suspect I clearly recall him pressuring was phagga. A large chunk of this game he's been subjected to the rather bad "Your night actions don't check out. Therefore, scum..." argument (bad because there was no scum motive for it). I had no problem with him defending his actions, but the zeal with which he did it did stand out to me. I mean, on a day where no one was seriously pushing to lynch him he repeatedly commented on how he wanted a case to defend against and in the process did little to no scumhunting at all... Add to that the scumshot that Hapa allegedly took at a time where he clearly was not the optimal target for scum (why not syllo or dieno???) and things feel a bit off. Further, it's been commented before that flamethrower is a rather ridiculous ability for town to have due to all the secondary damage town would likely take. Speculation to be sure, but something to think about. If for whatever reason austin really is town, and the last scum really has done a good job of "blending in," then Hapa's filter would be the first filter I'd dive into. I bet Hapa will angrily ask for a case to defend against now, but I just wanted to throw this out there as something to think about. + Show Spoiler + Sadly, my motivation too is pretty low right now given the length of this game T.T... | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
Correct me if I'm wrong. This is how I've followed it. 1) Acro/hopeless different 2) Acro claims third party 3) Acro gets taken on the random mission led by our glorious leader Dienosore and we fail. On this mission with Acro are Keirathi and Goodkarma. These two haven't flipped, so maybe they're scum, but I don't think Keir is scum. For me this narrows our loss to GK and acro. Acro as a claimed third party makes me think he's the reason we lost. 4) We decide to lynch austin and everyone then decides to lynch phagga. Now we're lynching austin again. So... fill me in? I still believe austin is scum b/c of z-bo and Acro is third party b/c of austin's recent interactions with him, I'm just trying to figure out how people know he's third party. To me he's most likely third party witha side possibility of bus. Looking at austin's most recent post makes me think he knows Acro isn't scum (then again, somehow everyone in here seems to know acro isn't scum except me. The guy who checked him against hopeless), and if austin flips scum it almost confirms acro as third party/scum, to me. I don't see a townie claiming third party. This would therefor confirm hopeless as town to me, disregarding the off chance that I hit third party/scum. But then why isn't hopeless pushing for an acro lynch since in hopeless' mind he should KNOW acro isn't town if hopeless is town. Ergo quid pro quo etc, we lynch austin. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 10 2012 12:59 Adam4167 wrote: Yeah I really don't care what happened in Holy Roman. I also don't care what Acro's win condition is at this point, I said earlier, I have no beef with 3rd party. What I see now is someone under suspicion trying to sway the town into voting a 3rd party because there's no more easy lynches. This is what I'm talking about. We win by defeating lavos. Scum win by killing off town and having mafia alive. So what happens if all mafia are dead, we summon lavos, and he somehow wipes us? Nobody wins? Everyone loses but lavos? Grey has spent a lot of time crafting this game and hosting it, and I don't think that he'd leave this gaping hole in the setup where nobody wins. You've got no idea if Acro is the gap-filler. A third party that's pro-lavos. Working to summon lavos, but then against town once that happens. You may not have a beef with 3rd party now, but if that third party has a win condition that is actively anti-town, you darn well better have a beef with 3rd party. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 10 2012 13:01 goodkarma wrote: If there's one alternative scum suspect other than austin I would say it would have to be Hapa. The guy has been fairly disinterested for a long stretch here, which is neither town nor scum indicative given how tired we all are of this game... However, what's stood out most to me about his play is that the only suspect I clearly recall him pressuring was phagga. A large chunk of this game he's been subjected to the rather bad "Your night actions don't check out. Therefore, scum..." argument (bad because there was no scum motive for it). I had no problem with him defending his actions, but the zeal with which he did it did stand out to me. I mean, on a day where no one was seriously pushing to lynch him he repeatedly commented on how he wanted a case to defend against and in the process did little to no scumhunting at all... Add to that the scumshot that Hapa allegedly took at a time where he clearly was not the optimal target for scum (why not syllo or dieno???) and things feel a bit off. Further, it's been commented before that flamethrower is a rather ridiculous ability for town to have due to all the secondary damage town would likely take. Speculation to be sure, but something to think about. If for whatever reason austin really is town, and the last scum really has done a good job of "blending in," then Hapa's filter would be the first filter I'd dive into. I bet Hapa will angrily ask for a case to defend against now, but I just wanted to throw this out there as something to think about. + Show Spoiler + Sadly, my motivation too is pretty low right now given the length of this game T.T... *angrily asks for a case* But seriously... SnB, VE, and Risk tried to get me lynched. Therefore I clearly should be a scum suspect. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On December 10 2012 13:05 Hapahauli wrote: *angrily asks for a case* But seriously... SnB, VE, and Risk tried to get me lynched. Therefore I clearly should be a scum suspect. Busses happen, and you're the scariest person that could reasonably be scum due to your claim. | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
On December 10 2012 13:05 austinmcc wrote: This is what I'm talking about. We win by defeating lavos. Scum win by killing off town and having mafia alive. So what happens if all mafia are dead, we summon lavos, and he somehow wipes us? Nobody wins? Everyone loses but lavos? Grey has spent a lot of time crafting this game and hosting it, and I don't think that he'd leave this gaping hole in the setup where nobody wins. You've got no idea if Acro is the gap-filler. A third party that's pro-lavos. Working to summon lavos, but then against town once that happens. You may not have a beef with 3rd party now, but if that third party has a win condition that is actively anti-town, you darn well better have a beef with 3rd party. See? Look at this post, if you're town why aren't you defending yourself by airing the possibility that Acro could be scum? | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On December 10 2012 13:05 austinmcc wrote: This is what I'm talking about. We win by defeating lavos. Scum win by killing off town and having mafia alive. So what happens if all mafia are dead, we summon lavos, and he somehow wipes us? Nobody wins? Everyone loses but lavos? Grey has spent a lot of time crafting this game and hosting it, and I don't think that he'd leave this gaping hole in the setup where nobody wins. You've got no idea if Acro is the gap-filler. A third party that's pro-lavos. Working to summon lavos, but then against town once that happens. You may not have a beef with 3rd party now, but if that third party has a win condition that is actively anti-town, you darn well better have a beef with 3rd party. I will take issue with Acro only when his actions give me a reason to. My objective, as you've pointed out, is to kill scum, not 3rd party. | ||
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