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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Yes it can target anyone remaining in the game | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18138 Posts
Austinmcc does NOT care about the future of this game, in any way, shape or form. He cares about not getting lynched, and not getting lynched ONLY. After this cycle it seems we won't get to kill him if I read Greymist's post correctly. Cycles will be focused on killing Lavos. Scum will help Lavos by trying to kill town faster than Lavos can kill them. That is scum's ONLY hope of winning. Now I know this applies to me too. I am a survivor after all. I'd point out that I can shoot Lavos, but that is not a compelling reason why I am not scum. The compelling reason for me not being scum can be found by reading my filter. As scum, I had absolutely NO reason to: 1. Hard defend Sandroba and nail Toad with a case instead. I chose to try to derail an easy, and necessary, bus on one scumbuddy in favour of making a coherent case on my other scumbuddy who was in no way, shape or form, under any real suspicion? 2. Started to bus risk.nuke in cycle 4 (here is where I start pressuring him seriously. Before then I had nothing concrete. This slowly grows into a full-blown scum read over the duration of the game), when Toad was not even dead yet. 3. Claimed I didn't want to be in a party immediately when people started thinking I was a real candidate. Other scum so far has wanted to be in a party. Why would I try NOT to be in a party? 4. Tried to mason chat 2 of my scumbuddies and shot them for 75 damage instead. Sandroba's damage is verifiable, unless someone else wants to claim 75 damage to Sandroba on cycle 1. If this was a scum plan to bus, then why did VE never claim that damage? Shitty plan. Now that I have shown why me being scum would be me playing absolutely terribly, lets move on to the main interest of this post: why austinmcc is scum No plan for the future. No interest in the future Let us start with a quote by austin himself, pointing out why the lack of a long-term plan makes phagga scummy: On December 09 2012 07:04 austinmcc wrote: Syllo, there aren't a lot of voters around and active from what I can tell, so I'm talking to you here. You say this: Game has been long. Yes, I'm sure whoever isn't lynched will get roleblocked. That's expected. But... I am thinking about tomorrow. I am thinking about the day after tomorrow. I want to be around tomorrow, I have a reason to go to 65,000,000 BC, because between shooting Adam and checking Acro, I'd rather check Acro. On the off chance that I can check Acro before lavos pops, although that seems unlikely, I want to be able to do so. Gives us some knowledge of what we're dealing with if he does anything weird. Do you know what phagga wants to do tomorrow? Do you know what phagga wants to do the day after tomorrow? AFTER ALL THE TALK OF WHO CAN USE WHAT ABILITY ON PHAGGA FOR HIM TO COPY...THERE IS STILL NO DISCUSSION OF THAT. He's not thinking about this game's future, because he knows that if I get lynched today, he gets lynched tomorrow. I'm trying to keep playing this game. He doesn't seem interested in the future AT ALL. Why? If we're really about to summon lavos, and he's town, isn't he thinking about where he wants to fight lavos? What he wants to do this cycle? Asking someone to use not a heal but SOMETHING on him that we want against lavos? He's not doing any of that. Because he has no future in this game. So... Phagga has not said what he wants to do in the future of the game. This is clearly a scumtell, because, using the words in this very post: he knows that if austinmcc gets lynched, then phagga will get lynched the next day. Phagga is, according to austin, not interested in the future at all (I disagree, I clearly read that he wanted to get healed so he could heal other people, but I don't remember whether that came before or after this post). What I DO know is that austin has NOT thought about what happens in 1999. He has claimed a whole bunch of abilities in all other eras, but he seems unconcerned about 1999. So... austin does not care about the future, despite saying he does: On December 09 2012 07:08 austinmcc wrote: That's all I've got. I have to run to dinner now, will be checking phone when I can. I'm not scum. I'm trying to play this game and see lavos pop, I'm still thinking about the future. I'm trying to figure things out. I claimed my role in full to try and help with that, I didn't shoot someone who I hadn't read up on for 300 damage. You may not love the case on phagga, but what part of the case on me do you love? If there is one. Okay, so he is thinking about the future, but not about what he can do in 1999, when Lavos will drop out of the sky, something that has been known since the opening post layed out the rules. Now, why did austinmcc think SnB was scum? On December 03 2012 06:28 austinmcc wrote: SnB Leaning scum. Mainly based on the roleclaim, because ... that's the thing I most have to work with. Forget the rolenaming. Forget his other stupid ability that he claimed. He says: (1) SnB says he never asked Grey how this works. Other people seem to be expressing concern that he equated +max HP with "heal" without checking with Grey. Yes, that's questionable. But beyond that...SnB isn't an idiot. If that were actually SnB's ability, he would absolutely have to check with Grey, because...it frigging does 250 damage. The way it's phrased, you can't tell how the parts resolve. Does it do 250 damage to someone, and then, if they're alive, heal them/raise hp? EVEN IF SnB thought +max hp = heal, he has to ask whether he can accidentally kill someone before raising their hp. That's...crazy important. I can believe that he interpreted +max HP to be heal, but I can't believe he wouldn't ask whether both happen at once or whether he basically CPR docs someone if they're under 250 hp. <snip> That's right! He didn't bother figuring out what a critical aspect of his role did before everybody else wanted to know. Now we have: On December 10 2012 11:26 austinmcc wrote: It was announced that whoever wasn't lynched was going to be roleblocked. There was no reason for syllo to make this an idle threat, I actually believe that he's tired of this game and didn't care who got lynched. So it's not really worth sending in an action that's guaranteed to get blocked. Syllo, I checked. No, I did not claim an ability in 1999 AD. I did not know if I had one, there was nothing in my original role about that. Turns out I can choose any of the three gurus and be that guy for 1999 AD. So...either heal/shield, or if we think we've got enough of that, I can go counterattack and hope lavos hits me. Errrr, whoops? Conclusion: austinmcc has done exactly what he accused others of doing. He has showed no interest in looking past the next lynch. If you want any further proof of that, you can peruse some of the juicy quotes from the next point in this case. However, the fact that he never bothered to figure out how his ability works in the endgame can be explained quite easily: his ability works different to what he told us, just as SnB's did and he didn't think his fakeclaim through properly, leaving 1999 as the obvious flaw. The missing scum Once again, in austin's own words: On December 10 2012 11:13 austinmcc wrote: Still not scum. Defending oneself in a game is draining and time-consuming. I'm a little burnt out, and frankly...there's nobody that I like right now for scum. So no, I haven't given up. But I'm convinced that the remaining scum has just hidden himself well, either through creative bussing or some kind of sneaky ability, and they're now entrenched enough that we're stuck having them be part of the lavos fight. Apart from kita, no single player frightens me that much right now, and so I don't think that a single scum player will be a problem. But I don't have a scumread right now. So...my defense is already in thread, same as it was yesterday. Just this cycle the defense is "I'm not scum" without "I'm not scum and that specific person is." So I'm voting acrofales, as I feel that taking him out before lavos is the best thing to do with this cycle. If I don't have a clue who the remaining scum is, I'd rather take out 3P than a townie. There is nobody left who can be scum. Pretty much everybody else is ruled out by mechanics. Updated my list from last cycle: On December 07 2012 21:49 Acrofales wrote: Anyway, lets go through the list of alive players again. Syllo - was in the tent, successful party and nailed Sandro and SnB TC - nailed Toad when there was no reason for it from a scum perspective. Overall townie filter GK - was in the tent, all scum tried to get him killed (except risk) Prom - was shot by SnB, abilities pan out Oats - was shot by SnB, was on a successful party, abilities pan out Iamperfection - has been healing townies all game. Claims check out. Kita - scum seems too weird. Could be 3P with a good fakeclaim. However, town for now. Hapa - Syllo roleblocked him last night and he went nowhere. Forgot to send in abilities. Also filter is moderately townie. Negative points for weird claim and being in quite a number of claim controversies. H1 - filter-based I say town. Ability is consistent and makes sense lore-wise. However, his targets have not been verified. Damage on Drazerk is outright missing. Cannot verify damage on Toad. Only confirmed shot is Hapa. Adam - same story. Zbo/austin - claim is not making sense so far. Null filter. Elimination game makes him scum. With Phagga dead that leaves Adam, H1 and Hapa as possible scum. I agree, however, with austin when he says that it is really hard to see one of them as scum. Their filters read moderately townie. However, if austin is town, then he KNOWS one of them must be scum. Rather than figuring out which one, he decides to take the easy way out: lynch the 3rd party. There is a good chance town is not opposed to lynching 3P if they cannot find scum, so I am the lynch by default if austin can worm himself out of the lynch. Why? Because scummcc knows that any case he makes against Hapa, H1 or Adam will be unconvincing. If austin really was town, he would be looking for scum, not trying to lynch 3P. As an aside and a minor bonus point: On December 09 2012 07:26 austinmcc wrote: EXHIBIT 1: holy Roman. This isn't a caller game, but not knowing anything about third party has sometimes been bad for town. Huh? In HRM there was no 3rd party, except for iGrok who got himself killed really early on (N1 if I recall correctly, might have been N2). He might have become a threat at some point, but he got killed before any speculation about 3P even started. There were 2 scumteams. Drazerk was scum with a typical scum wincon. So... why are you misrepresenting what happened in an old mafia game to give your argument more force? Is it perhaps because you are afraid you'll need anoter body to throw on the lynch mill, because Phagga WILL flip town? Conclusion: austinmcc does not care about the future, just about avoiding the lynch. austinmcc doesn't care about his abilities, because they were fake. austinmcc does not care about scumhunting, because he cannot find a way to credibly paint one of the remaining townies as scum. In closing, austinmcc is scum. ##Lynch austinmcc ##Epoch 1999 | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18138 Posts
On December 10 2012 22:12 Promethelax wrote: wouldn't that also jail lavos? That seems particularly bad for us. Asking greymist. His post about Lavos states that Lavos cannot be roleblocked or healed. Am asking whether black hole can target Lavos and if so, what happens to the jail. My assumption is that it just does 100 damage and the jail fizzles, but waiting for greymist to wake up. Alternatively, I can ask mementoss as well  | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Hapa you should probably use your fireproofing on iamperfection or one of the damage dealers. I don't know who Prom has been seed shielding, but in case there is a danger of one of them being visited, he should claim his targets. The ability I will be using deals damage to two targets (some to A, more to B) while also making A immune to other actions. I will probably use it on kita first if he is capable of dealing a lot of damage. | ||
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Acrofales
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
been seeding Keir, no one visit him. Thought the Lavos fight would be a party quest and that he would be taken along, figured it would be best if he had protection. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I AM A BUNCH OF OLD, WISE DUDES Throughout history, old wise dudes have been proven to be (1) intelligent and (2) good at martial arts. Nobody has ever been trained in martial arts by a child, or a teenager, or even just a slightly-balding middle-aged man. No. If you really want good martial arts training, you find the oldest, most wrinkled, old dude in the land. He imparts all sorts of wisdom, you train under him, and you become awesome. That's how it works. Always. Daniel-san befriends Mr. Miyagi. Learns martial arts and important life lessons from Mr. Miyagi. At the final karate tournament, Daniel-san uses the crane kick to win. Lynching me is the equivalent of Daniel-san walking out of the ring in the final match and crane kicking Mr. Miyagi in the face. It's a bad idea, and it wouldn't be right. Master Splinter teaches the teenage mutant ninja turtles martial arts and ... how to live in the sewers or whatever. Do the teenage mutant ninja turtles ever get tired of fighting Shredder and decide to poke holes in Master Splinter with their weapons? No. Because that would be stupid, and they'd probably get fat and lazy and just eat pizza without his training. Are you seeing a pattern? Gandalf is old, although not necessarily good at martial arts. However, when some gimpy little midgets leave him to fall down a hole, what happens? He comes back and helps those same gimpy little midgets with his wise old man powers. Do the X-men ever think "gee, I haven't seen any bad mutants in a while, better just clobber Professor X today!"? No. He's an old man and he's got friggin' mind powers. He doesn't even have to be good at martial arts (probably isn't). He can probably force someone else (who IS good at martial arts) to fight for him. And he's pretty friggin' wise. Confucious, high expectations asian father, Doc Brown, Dumbledore, etc. I can keep going, but I think this should be apparent. You don't attack old, wise men. They are smart. They are good at martial arts. They are valuable assets. Everyone who has ever been trained by an old wise person DOESN'T GO AND ATTACK THAT OLD WISE PERSON. It's just wrong. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18138 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:23 syllogism wrote: Okay I forgive you for delaying the game by one cycle This. Getting you to post that was totally worth it. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 10 2012 23:03 Acrofales wrote: With Phagga dead that leaves Adam, H1 and Hapa as possible scum. I agree, however, with austin when he says that it is really hard to see one of them as scum. Their filters read moderately townie. However, if austin is town, then he KNOWS one of them must be scum. Rather than figuring out which one, he decides to take the easy way out: lynch the 3rd party. There is a good chance town is not opposed to lynching 3P if they cannot find scum, so I am the lynch by default if austin can worm himself out of the lynch. Why? Because scummcc knows that any case he makes against Hapa, H1 or Adam will be unconvincing. If austin really was town, he would be looking for scum, not trying to lynch 3P. This is entirely false. This is the whole reason I'm advocating what I am. SOMEONE has to be scum. It does not HAVE to be one of those folks. Unless everyone else is also an innocent child, you're entirely discounting the idea that someone else is scum. If they hung on this long, I don't think it's because they've got one person under some suspicion and that's all that's left. They've got to have someone decently situated, with some kind of power they think can actually make a difference during the lavos fight. Conclusion: austinmcc does not care about the future, just about avoiding the lynch. austinmcc doesn't care about his abilities, because they were fake. austinmcc does not care about scumhunting, because he cannot find a way to credibly paint one of the remaining townies as scum. In closing, austinmcc is scum. Yes, I did not know if I had a 1999 power. Turns out I do, but no...didn't ask. Yes, that is exactly why I found SnB scummy. But my abilities aren't fake. I've proven one of them, the only one I've had a chance to, and I can tell you your exact hp after tonight. I happen to care enough about scumhunting not to fake it. I don't think any of the "easy" choices are scum, and looking elsewhere hasn't netted me someone that I actually think is scum yet. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Anyway there is no way you could be looking scummier than you currently are. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Wow austin, you shouldve put in this effort earlier. Anyway there is no way you could be looking scummier than you currently are. I don't care if I LOOK scummy for suggesting we kill acro. I care that I'm NOT SCUM. Put it this way... Oats. If you knew I was town, who would you be voting for today? Would you actually have another scumread right now? Or would you be unsure who the remaining scum was? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
why? Cause you are the last scum :D Simple. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Nope dont see anyone else. why? Cause you are the last scum :D Simple. Ta da. I know I'm town. I don't see anyone else. But yet not seeing anyone else is why some of these votes are on me. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 11 2012 01:00 Promethelax wrote: so you don't see anyone else but you think we should lynch Acro? Explain how that isn't an attempt to force a mislynch. ... Acro is 100% not town. Acro may or may not have a town-friendly wincon, but he's 100% not town. Any other target I chose is someone that I don't have a scumread on, that I think is town. I would rather lynch someone I know ISN'T town (and might be anti-town) than someone I think is. If I don't see anyone that I think is scum, then I'd rather drop the only player I know also isn't town. | ||
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austinmcc
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Promethelax
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