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On December 11 2012 01:08 Promethelax wrote:
which is why I think you are scum. You need to go after 3p because this game has gone on long enough that we, as a town, are pretty clear on our townieness. There are only a few scummy players left and you called all the ones who aren't you town. So you went for the 3p. You are scum. I look forward to your lynch. What?
Look at my filter. It's not like I hit today yelling "EVERYONE BUT PHAGGA IS TOWN GAIZ, EVERYONE BUT PHAGGA TOWN." There were a few other players who MIGHT have been scum, but I wasn't buying it based on setup, and then his filter fit with the setup speculation where maybe he could account for missing actions.
But instead of limping onto another townread and trying to save my skin, this is what I'm doing. I don't think any of the other easy options are scum, which is what I've been saying all today, but it's not like that was set in stone earlier. I could have made a case on one or probably any of them if I was really, really trying to force this.
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This is so bad austin.
Why should we kill acro? Do you think we will lose the game if he stays alive and you dont?
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On December 11 2012 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
This is so bad austin.
Why should we kill acro? Do you think we will lose the game if he stays alive and you dont?
My posts. Read them.
No, I don't think he has a magical "town loses" spell. I DO think there's a decent chance he's anti-town/wins with lavos/whatever. But it's just a chance, and it wouldn't be some kind of instant loss.
We should kill acro because I am town. He is not town. I don't know how to make it clearer than that. I would like to lynch scum, but I don't have any scumreads. So I've got to go with the least-townie option, as we can't no-lynch, and that's acro.
Some of the votes on me aren't even "austinmcc scum." They're just "well, we can't no-lynch." For some of the players who think I'm scum, it's just process of elimination, without even considering that scum may have just planted someone to play the long game.
I happen to know my alignment, so...sorry. I'm not buying into the austinmcc scum story.
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why did you waste your time writing your old man post?
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err...not wasting because it was amazing. But it didn't help us find scum.
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Because it didn't take much time at all. Because half the thread isn't ACTUALLY interested in finding scum, they're interested in ending this cycle and fighting lavos.
Because...nobody seems to accept my other arguments? Because I have fun playing mafia, and it's slightly less fun when you're getting mislynched, so I'd prefer to play in a way that adds fun back into the game?
It's not exactly the first time I've made a ridiculous post defending myself or attacking someone I think is scummy. See...the case/play I wrote about annul being a wank-fiend in Liquid City. See...batman.
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Austin, you were in WLIIA, right?
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On December 11 2012 01:30 Promethelax wrote:
Austin, you were in WLIIA, right?
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I was not.
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oop, never mind, sorry. Did you red it? (this is relevant)
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On December 11 2012 01:41 Promethelax wrote:
oop, never mind, sorry. Did you red it? (this is relevant)
No. Almost all recent games up until Whose Line and Mario Mini I read, but I actually have no read those two. I took a short break and missed them.
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Is there something I need to go read in particular? Or is this a prom-specific line of thought?
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it is not all that important if you haven't read it. I can explain my reasoning though.
In WLIIA a scum (SnB) took an early lead by fake claiming a town power role but because of the mechanics had to fake a lot of his abilities. He did this by claiming useless checks, tracking the players who died at night, etc. I think Acro has done a very similar thing here in terms of the use of his powers (they have been sub-optimal in terms of the numbers of dead players checked) and I thought that you not calling him scum was weird since there was a recent example of just that play. Since you haven't read the game though it doesn't help.
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I really don't think austin is scum. I didn't think ZB was scum, and austin hasn't really changed that. His play just feels COMPLETELY different than his scum play in Aperture 2.
I don't know what you expect from a town austin, but accusing him for going after the 3rd party is silly. Not that I particularly want to lynch Acro either, but "I think you're scum. Go prove that you aren't by finding scum for us because I'm too lazy and don't feel like looking at anyone except you" is silly.
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On December 11 2012 01:56 Promethelax wrote:
it is not all that important if you haven't read it. I can explain my reasoning though.
In WLIIA a scum (SnB) took an early lead by fake claiming a town power role but because of the mechanics had to fake a lot of his abilities. He did this by claiming useless checks, tracking the players who died at night, etc. I think Acro has done a very similar thing here in terms of the use of his powers (they have been sub-optimal in terms of the numbers of dead players checked) and I thought that you not calling him scum was weird since there was a recent example of just that play. Since you haven't read the game though it doesn't help.
For you, Chronicler, anyone else who was wondering why I haven't called acro scum (recently) and am advocating my lynch choice for today as actually lynching a third party:
On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Factions and win conditions
At some point in the game Lavos will be summoned. The powers and nature of Lavos are hidden until 1999 AD. Win conditions are based around Lavos. Lavos will spawn at a predetermined time in the game. If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately.
Town: Defeat Lavos.
Mafia: Kill ALL town and have 1 mafia left alive
Third Party: you thought i was going to tell you? haha.
OP says there's a third party. One player has claimed third party. No other player has. As interesting as it would be for another third party player to slow roll this, knowing that the acro/hopeless parity check meant one of them was scum, that person hasn't come forward on the last day of the game, more or less.
If there were another third party, they'd step up this cycle and say something. Nobody is, so I'm convinced Acro actually IS third party.
I know that "hey guys lynch a third party, not me" isn't as compelling as me offering a solid case on someone who's red. But...it's what I've got. You guys can mislynch me, or you can lynch the one guy we KNOW isn't town.
p.s. wise old men, etc.
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On December 11 2012 02:03 Keirathi wrote:
I don't know what you expect from a town austin, but accusing him for going after the 3rd party is silly. Not that I particularly want to lynch Acro either, but "I think you're scum. Go prove that you aren't by finding scum for us because I'm too lazy and don't feel like looking at anyone except you" is silly.
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I really dont see your point of reposting that austin. Also blue bolded?
Again, since when is lynching 3rd party better than someone who almost everyone thinks is scum?
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Apparently I say silly more than I thought.
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On December 11 2012 02:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont see your point of reposting that austin. Also blue bolded?
Again, since when is lynching 3rd party better than someone who almost everyone thinks is scum?
READ MY POSTS. READ THE THREAD. READ. IT IS GOOD TO READ.
IT IS BETTER TO LYNCH SOMEONE WHO IS 3RD PARTY THAN SOMEONE WHO ALMOST EVERYONE/50% + 1 PEOPLE/EVERYONE/WHATEVER THINKS IS SCUM WHEN THAT PERSON IS ACTUALLY TOWN.
Just because you guys don't know I'm town like I do doesn't mean the above sentence is wrong.
Your argument is that it's better to mislynch than to lynch a third party, just because of the belief that the mislynched player is scum. That is absolutely false and it's ridiculous.
You feel very much like you want to lynch me , but are relying on particularly poor logic, like above. You admit that you don't have any reads beyond me, that there's nobody you'd want to lynch if you knew I was town, and yet you attack me for taking the same position.
Because it's important to me, I'm going to repeat this. Your argument is that it's better to mislynch a townie than to lynch a third party, so long as people believe the mislynched player is scum. It's not. It never will be.
If I'm going to get lynched, at least let it be by rational and logical people.
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On December 11 2012 02:09 Keirathi wrote:
Apparently I say silly more than I thought.
It is a word that describes this situation. BUT NOT EVEN MY SILLY ARGUMENT IS WORKING.
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What I get from austin since my post:
1. I am in fact 3P (thank you, my role pm agrees with you).
2. Nobody else looks like scum.
Therefore we should lynch 3P. Why, when we have obvious scum sitting right in front of us? I will simply repeat myself until the rest of town figures this out:
austinmcc has not addressed the fact that he was not looking past preventing himself getting lynched by making a case on the ONLY person who he could possibly get town to switch to.
He did not bother figuring out how his role worked, despite calling it scummy when SnB did not do that exact same thing.
He cannot explain why the shield on Hapa appears to not have existed.
He knows the rest of town has caught him out. He knows any case he makes on anybody else will look forced, because it WILL be forced (they're town after all). His only hope is to lynch the 3P.
Now me being a survivor obviously has me with a vested interest in surviving, but even without that, it is clear that austin is scum. He's run out of rocks to hide under and that is about it. He first threw the towel in the ring with his wise men post, but rather than continuing to blazinghand up the thread in hilarious manner, he took the lifeline Oats threw him.
Oh, and if you think I will be no help vs. Lavos, my 100 damage is worth 4 cycles of most townies being alive. I think I will more than pay for myself. I don't need your heals, I still have oodles of hitpoints.
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