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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17955 Posts
November 21 2012 13:49 GMT
#641
Syllo, what will you base your party member selection on?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 21 2012 13:50 GMT
#642
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 21 2012 13:51 GMT
#643
On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote:
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point.


what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 21 2012 13:52 GMT
#644
WHY I THINK CLARITY IS SCUM
He justs posts 1-line comments throughout the whole chronicler incident.. the activity makes people think he is town but he doesnt actually take a stand, just criticized chronicler.
On November 21 2012 12:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 12:29 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 21 2012 12:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O


Useless. Don't post like this.

On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play.


Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa.

----------------------------------------------

I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses.

If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system.

We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose.


What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong.


Scum will have to choose another person or risk showing their hand and causing the event to fail. Town can freely choose themselves since they know they'll only help with the event.

Doesn't seem chaotic to me. Why is it seeming chaotic to you?


Because you're throwing a second layer of wifom into the mix.


Agrees with Hapa, and basically repeats what he and everyone else before said to sound like he is contributing.
On November 21 2012 12:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
Quantity of information does not equal quality of information.

Moving on... I agree with hapa that the person we vote for has to be clear town, but not newbie town as they need to be strong analytically.


Then with the Dienosore stuff, he again posts 1 liner’s criticizing deinosore..
On November 21 2012 13:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 13:53 Dienosore wrote:
You sure are giving me an easy route to fly under the radar as long as I stay silly...


There is a special place in hell for people like you.


The last post with the Diensore actually being stupid, Clarity is asking for advice from town, no willing to take a stand on his own.
On November 21 2012 18:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 18:14 Dienosore wrote:
On November 21 2012 17:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 21 2012 17:34 Dienosore wrote:
In an effort to gain your trust so that I can become the first leader, I have two solid scum reads that I feel need to be shared.


Djodref:

Supports sandroba, though he (weakly) nominated himself. Wants Clarity and Lamp on his team. Has asked a few times to different people what their reads are. Maybe mining for info? Said "I don't think it would be fair for the scum team not being able to kill the party members" Also, put out a hit on a town marv and town Hapa for being dangerous to the mafia. I'd say 80% sure he is scum


goodkarma:

Seems to be in favor of Sandroba for pres, even though he nominated himself for it. wants sandroba and promethelax on his team. Put emphasis on finding townies, not scummies, which could mean he is scum. Asked questions that feel as if they come from mafia perspective (dealing with towny death and kill immunity). Attacks back at Keirathi after he explains that we dont know HOW the scum kills by saying "scum must be able to remove it somehow" Uses distancing language "town" when talking about possible medics. I'm 70% sure he is scum. Seems to be town hunting.



Okay so you explained what both of them are doing but you have not explained why it is scummy. Djo is "mining info" and goodkarma is "town hunting". Both of which are perfectly reasonable ways to play this game as either alignment. Please don't drop random percentages, and stop posting that poster.


It's less what they are doing, and more of HOW. I'm really good at reading language, like what verb tenses they are using or watching for specific pronoun connotations. For both of these guys, it feels very much to me like they are talking from a mafioso perspective, asking questions a scumlord would ask, etc...

That being said, I am not 100% on any of my reads yet and don't really want to throw up any red herrings. All this is only based off of two pages of material. Give me another day or so (assuming these guys keep talking) and I'll have narrowed things down much better.


They..... use certain verb tenses and pronoun connotations.....Asking questions a scumlord would ask?

Can someone please give me a read on Dieno or tell me I should ignore him, I really want to move on from him but every time I think his idiocy stopped it returns with renewed ego.


Keeps tunneling Diensore, an obvious target long after people stopped caring.

Tunneling Djo on a minor issue about his assumptions.
On November 21 2012 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why did you work under the assumption that party members chosen would not be disclosed. Seems rather counter-intuitive to me.


On November 21 2012 22:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
I understand wanting to make sure, who wouldn't, but before the mod shared that info you were working under the assumption that party members chosen would not be disclosed, right?



THIS IS WHY I THINK THAT CLARITY IS SCUM
No gg, No skill.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 21 2012 13:53 GMT
#645
On November 21 2012 11:01 Promethelax wrote:
I see Acro has sniped me in terms of the idea of any potential leader posting their core group. Has anyone played in a similar set-up before? Or does anyone have the link to Resistance? I haven't read it.

Based on the fact that Acro had the same though as me and from our last game together I would currently, put him in my team, along with Acro I would add Marv (come on, wouldn't you?) and as third player I would chose Hapa. Hapa is a guy who over many games I have come to like and respect though I once hated him. He is a great town player and a kinda crappy scum player, seems like the right guy to have along for the ride.

TL:DR My team: Acro, Marv, Hapa

I'm curious if putting one player who seems like a liability (one of the guys known for trolling or one of the smurfs) onto the team so that we can get a read on them from their actions makes sense? It seems like we won't have lynches but knowing who scum is/is not will help town players direct any and all actions which they have and i assume making sure that non-town players not being on the quest team will be a good thing for us as the OP specifies that they can make it more difficult to achieve our objectives.


I actually really like the bolded idea, especially if the party leader explicitly says which of their party they're picking as the "liability" and why. Personally, I think this could be a good way to get reads on people like Marv and Toad who are notoriously hard to pin down.

fyi to the thread, I'm supposed to be at work in ten minutes (lol) but I'll be reading through the thread as the afternoon goes on and I'll be posting my reactions to things I see like this.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 21 2012 13:54 GMT
#646
On November 21 2012 11:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm reading up on resistance mafia, as it was said the setups might be simillar in some ways and I'm not familiar with it.
Just got lynched in my other game so can focus on this starting tomorrow.

I nominate myself as our heroic leader because almost everyone here doesn't know me. That way you won't be fooled by people playing wifom games with their meta!


this is probably a joke/troll post but if he's serious this is some terrible logic
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 21 2012 13:54 GMT
#647
Purely based on the strength of my reads, not giving value to things such as the advantage of "clearing" players who are less likely to get shot. However, right now it seems likely that my team would not include many, if any, "veterans".
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 21 2012 13:55 GMT
#648
On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote:
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point.


what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion?

He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 21 2012 13:56 GMT
#649
@strongandbig
The reason why we do not want to do this at this stage is because, All we know of the events are that the hidden number values that every player has will be used to complete/fail the event. They will not actually do anything to complete the event, at least to my knowledge. On day 1, our priority should be to complete the event and to do that, the party leader should take the 3 towniest players.
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 21 2012 13:56 GMT
#650
sounds reasonable. his play feels very similar to when i played with him last in Bureaucracy.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 14:00 GMT
#651
Oats, how is anyone supposed to take your case seriously when the very first quote, that you claim is me sheeping hapa, was actually me pointing out chronicle's plan is bad. Are you saying I should have an immediate read on him because he suggested a bad plan?

On November 21 2012 22:54 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 11:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm reading up on resistance mafia, as it was said the setups might be simillar in some ways and I'm not familiar with it.
Just got lynched in my other game so can focus on this starting tomorrow.

I nominate myself as our heroic leader because almost everyone here doesn't know me. That way you won't be fooled by people playing wifom games with their meta!


this is probably a joke/troll post but if he's serious this is some terrible logic


It was a joke/low blow at someone who posted something similar, saying that because we don't know him there's no meta and that's a good reason.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 21 2012 14:01 GMT
#652
The comments are above the quotes :D
No gg, No skill.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 14:01 GMT
#653
ebwop If asking someone two questions is considered tunneling then I need to reconsider the way I play this game.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 14:02 GMT
#654
On November 21 2012 23:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
The comments are above the quotes :D


Yes, but you accuse me of sheeping hapa when I end the conversation with "quantity of information is not quality of information" Which is what I basically said just before.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 21 2012 14:03 GMT
#655
On November 21 2012 23:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
The comments are above the quotes :D


maybe clarity is scum, maybe he isn't, but all your case was was providing a commentary without showing why it applied to one alignment over another.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 21 2012 14:05 GMT
#656
Stop nitpicking and address the case.

What I meant by take a stand was to suggest what was bad with the case and how to improve it, not actually a town/scum read.

clear town, but not newbie town as they need to be strong analytically.

Come on, everyone already said that the leader needs to be strong in reads, why repeat it?
No gg, No skill.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 14:06 GMT
#657
Why not?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
November 21 2012 14:07 GMT
#658
On November 21 2012 14:12 TheChronicler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 13:55 iamperfection wrote:
On November 21 2012 13:54 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 21 2012 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did not see the 'when'
sorry.
Also about the Keir thing with marv.
He said that if he did think marv was scum he wouldnt vote him
Then he said that he would have to be sure that marv was town to vote him.
They are the same in my opinion, Keir has the confidence that he will either have a town or scum read on marv by the end of the day, not a null read


I think you're reading that wrong.

Think marv is town = will vote
Thinks marv is scum = will not vote
Unsure of marv = will not vote

You're not considering the possibility of #3 in your reasoning. You're saying Keir will have the confidence, but he hasn't said that at all.

Following quote sums it up.

On November 21 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:
On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Kei
You're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts.

Err... but you said...
On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:

--Quote Pyramid Omitted--

I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through.

Do explain good sir.

What is there to explain? Both of those things you bolded say the exact same thing :o


------------------------------------------

On November 21 2012 13:32 iamperfection wrote:
also by the way i have a town read on Dienosore no nooby scum gonna come in here like that.


Is there a reason everyone feels the need to shout their town reads this game?

-------------------------------------------

On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too).

Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to
-identify town
-vote town to lead the party
-Profit
-Kill Mafia/Lavos
-More Profit




What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD.

I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party.

Come play the setup speculation game with me please!


How about we don't speculate on setup. What is speculating going to do? It's just an opportunity for scum to mislead us when they shouldn't have that opportunity.

is it scummy to say what i think?


It's anti-town to give scum information they can use. You just told scum your town read (assuming you're town). Now scum will value killing your town read higher than they would have. Way to go.

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 21 2012 14:07 GMT
#659
EBWOP: I meant with chronicler's stratagy, not the case
No gg, No skill.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 14:09 GMT
#660
Oats, why do you assume people have a town read on me at all, let alone for activity?
Why did you announce to me that you were making a case, instead of just making it?
Do you actually believe I've tunneled Djo?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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