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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 01 2012 15:45 GMT
#5461
We just passed Insane Mafia 2 as the second largest thread in the tl mafia subforum. I'm not sure if that's something to celebrate or not :p
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
CaveJohnson
Profile Joined October 2012
278 Posts
December 01 2012 15:47 GMT
#5462
A is a trap
B is stupidity
C means we can't use those people for future events but guarantees a success

Thats how I see it.
Mafia smurf
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 01 2012 15:49 GMT
#5463
Or it removes our abilities, you can interpret it a couple of ways. I'm thinking of switching to B because as said, his form before picking up the sword is rather weak.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 01 2012 15:50 GMT
#5464
Oats can you just claim what you know or don't know? You are already a mafia target and if S&B is mafia they certainly know that you have some sort of ability
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 01 2012 15:53 GMT
#5465
No I dont have proof that S&B is scum, I just really think so, his activity is so fucking limited the whole game,
And the cycle I got hit for 250, I used an ability like a vet which damages vistors hp by 100, which S&B claimed. Then he claimed he visited me,
so circumstancial evidence backed up by inactivity even after he got back from overseas.
No gg, No skill.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 01 2012 15:58 GMT
#5466
Well he claimed using an ability on you and I've an idea what it might have done

Strongandbig you might as well claim what it was
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 01 2012 16:09 GMT
#5467
On December 01 2012 08:59 GreYMisT wrote:
Boss Battle:
Slash

You have 3 options to choose for your party to try to defeat Slash!
A) Grab for that sword on the wall!
B) “Fuck It!” – All players charge in at once!
C) Use the last of your MP on a triple tech attempt!


Boss Battle:
Flea

You have 4 options to choose for your party to try to defeat Flea!
A) Triple Tech attack first
B) “Clarity_nl “ attacks first!
C) “Dienosore “attacks first!
D) “ Djodref“ attacks first!
E) “ Oatsmaster“ attacks first!

Grab for the sword sounds fishy as hell. I'm going to vote B & E
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 01 2012 16:31 GMT
#5468
Hmm, some scummy looking players vote for B instead...
LINK??
No gg, No skill.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 01 2012 16:35 GMT
#5469
On December 01 2012 20:26 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
Because of the amount of effort Acro has put into the game and my belief that he has the towns best interest at heart, I am not going to 100% claim my actions in order to protect his HP information. I do not believe the information I'm withholding is valuable enough to town to justify giving scum/other 3rd parties that info.

I gain vig hits equal to 2x the damage I deal to myself and untargetability as my secondary ability.
N1 - 63 HP
N2 - Target CJ for 126 damage
N3 - # HP (withheld to prevent knowledge of Acro's HP)
N4 - Target Toad
N5 - I'll debate whether its worth claiming.

Things to note:
My target on CJ seems to have been delayed. In addition, it directly contradicts gk's claim. There is an extra 75 damage that went missing on CJ Night 3. However, my hit should have gone through Night 2, and I don't know why it didn't.

I was unable to deal the amount of damage to myself that I wanted to last night. I still have a shot, its just less than I was expecting. The amount I fell short makes no sense from a percentage standpoint. It was not a round number.

No heals to report.


I don't want to use tech attacks for this event. I want to try taking that sword and I want Robo to attack first.

##Slash: A
##Flea: E


So explain to me how your attack got "delayed?" Because from what I see in your claim, your damage should have gone through night 2. My shot went off on night 3...

Are you dense or scum, and keep in mind I already think you're scum? What part of I don't know what happened did you not understand? I wouldn't withhold that information because the situation is confusing enough as it is. As far as I can tell, I'm the only player that has the option to deal abnormal amounts of damage (i.e. not increments of 5). The simplest solution is that my hit was delayed and yours was half of what you say it was.

This brings me to another point:
On November 29 2012 13:04 goodkarma wrote:
Might as well roleclaim now:

My name is Fiona. I have a vigilante-type role.

Night 3, I was responsible for 150 points of damage on CaveJohnson.

So here's what I propose:
1) You see if anyone comes forward to counterclaim the damage.
2) If someone does one of us is scum. Lynch accordingly.
3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized.


See you guys later after I've calmed down.

CJ claimed more damage than you claimed to have dealt. Why was that not accounted for in your proposal? What did you think happened to the 51 damage? Why am I automatically scum, by your reasoning?



@Acro
On December 01 2012 20:34 Acrofales wrote:
So your first ability is to do a percentage of a target player's HP damage to yourself, if I understand correctly? Current HP or max HP? Also what percentage? If you ever feel the necessity to claim N3, I want to be able to verify that.

My ability does not use percentages to determine any damage dealt.

What's supposed to happen is:

I pick a number between 0 and [an upper limit].
Damage is dealt TO MYSELF equal to the number I selected.
I then gain a vig hit for 2x the damage dealt and I cannot be targeted the following night.

The percentages part of my post was because I suspect foul play. The number I selected last night, the one to deal damage to myself, was reduced by an amount that makes no sense. It isn't a clean percentage of the total, it isnt a round number, it was just strange and I don't know if anyone has the ability to modify my own.
Alternatively, the math behind my max HP says I can fully charge one more hit before I'm down to 1 hp. I'm going to get at least one more cycle in because I'm untargetable again tonight.


I suspect that only myself and draz targeted Toad, no one else has claimed to do so. I think the mafia has a block 50% damage that was used on Toad. From there, you should be able to extrapolate roughly how much my hit was for, barring CJ's HP fluctuations and Toad lying through his teeth.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
December 01 2012 17:14 GMT
#5470
Hopeless,

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 02 2012 01:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:26 goodkarma wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
Because of the amount of effort Acro has put into the game and my belief that he has the towns best interest at heart, I am not going to 100% claim my actions in order to protect his HP information. I do not believe the information I'm withholding is valuable enough to town to justify giving scum/other 3rd parties that info.

I gain vig hits equal to 2x the damage I deal to myself and untargetability as my secondary ability.
N1 - 63 HP
N2 - Target CJ for 126 damage
N3 - # HP (withheld to prevent knowledge of Acro's HP)
N4 - Target Toad
N5 - I'll debate whether its worth claiming.

Things to note:
My target on CJ seems to have been delayed. In addition, it directly contradicts gk's claim. There is an extra 75 damage that went missing on CJ Night 3. However, my hit should have gone through Night 2, and I don't know why it didn't.

I was unable to deal the amount of damage to myself that I wanted to last night. I still have a shot, its just less than I was expecting. The amount I fell short makes no sense from a percentage standpoint. It was not a round number.

No heals to report.


I don't want to use tech attacks for this event. I want to try taking that sword and I want Robo to attack first.

##Slash: A
##Flea: E


So explain to me how your attack got "delayed?" Because from what I see in your claim, your damage should have gone through night 2. My shot went off on night 3...

Are you dense or scum, and keep in mind I already think you're scum? What part of I don't know what happened did you not understand? I wouldn't withhold that information because the situation is confusing enough as it is. As far as I can tell, I'm the only player that has the option to deal abnormal amounts of damage (i.e. not increments of 5). The simplest solution is that my hit was delayed and yours was half of what you say it was.

This brings me to another point:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 13:04 goodkarma wrote:
Might as well roleclaim now:

My name is Fiona. I have a vigilante-type role.

Night 3, I was responsible for 150 points of damage on CaveJohnson.

So here's what I propose:
1) You see if anyone comes forward to counterclaim the damage.
2) If someone does one of us is scum. Lynch accordingly.
3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized.


See you guys later after I've calmed down.

CJ claimed more damage than you claimed to have dealt. Why was that not accounted for in your proposal? What did you think happened to the 51 damage? Why am I automatically scum, by your reasoning?



@Acro
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:34 Acrofales wrote:
So your first ability is to do a percentage of a target player's HP damage to yourself, if I understand correctly? Current HP or max HP? Also what percentage? If you ever feel the necessity to claim N3, I want to be able to verify that.

My ability does not use percentages to determine any damage dealt.

What's supposed to happen is:

I pick a number between 0 and [an upper limit].
Damage is dealt TO MYSELF equal to the number I selected.
I then gain a vig hit for 2x the damage dealt and I cannot be targeted the following night.

The percentages part of my post was because I suspect foul play. The number I selected last night, the one to deal damage to myself, was reduced by an amount that makes no sense. It isn't a clean percentage of the total, it isnt a round number, it was just strange and I don't know if anyone has the ability to modify my own.
Alternatively, the math behind my max HP says I can fully charge one more hit before I'm down to 1 hp. I'm going to get at least one more cycle in because I'm untargetable again tonight.


I suspect that only myself and draz targeted Toad, no one else has claimed to do so. I think the mafia has a block 50% damage that was used on Toad. From there, you should be able to extrapolate roughly how much my hit was for, barring CJ's HP fluctuations and Toad lying through his teeth.



I never said you were scum. If you were to look, I have you listed as a town read. I just couldn't follow how you concluded your ability was delayed, and I still don't. No one to date has claimed any kind of ability that would postpone damage as you've described.


Consider that the fifty-one points of damage I didn't inflict could have come from another source that's not reporting, and your damage night 2 could have been somehow nullified. This would involve three people's abilities.

This is actually a simpler possibility than your proposal of a type of ability that no one's claimed to have postponed your damage, and saying I dealt a different amount of damage than what I said I did (this scenario would actually involve four people: me, you, and someone with a damage mitigation ability on CJ, and someone with this damage-postponement ability which imho is pretty far-fetched...)...


Finally, one last possibility: CaveJohnson is lying.

Take your pick, but imho your scenario is the least plausible of the three listed here.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 01 2012 17:28 GMT
#5471
I also dealt 50 damage to Cave night three (because I'm mean)

Maybe by cycle 15 he might actually die off.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 01 2012 17:30 GMT
#5472
##Slash "A"
##Flea "C"


Still like grabbing for the sword and saving a tech attack for later in the cycle. Sending Frog early seems fine by me, if the first incarnation of flea just drains MP then hopefully there's no damage component and we can have robo for later in the cycle.
Fe fi fo fum.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
December 01 2012 17:32 GMT
#5473
On December 02 2012 00:58 syllogism wrote:
Well he claimed using an ability on you and I've an idea what it might have done

Strongandbig you might as well claim what it was


I increase my target's max hp by 300 and damage them by 250.

This ability can fail under certain conditions. On oatsmaster it succeeded.

I also claim the 1 hp damage on drazerk, i have a troll ability with 99% chance to do 1 damage and 1% chance to reduce target to 1hp.

also voting grab sword and oatsmaster, seems the most reasonable thing atm
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 01 2012 17:36 GMT
#5474
K I feel like I'm being completely trolled over. I'm out until after deadline today anyways.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 01 2012 17:36 GMT
#5475
s&b, does this ability heal them up 300 hp and then damage them by 250, or only damage them by 250?

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 01 2012 17:50 GMT
#5476
On December 02 2012 02:32 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 00:58 syllogism wrote:
Well he claimed using an ability on you and I've an idea what it might have done

Strongandbig you might as well claim what it was


I increase my target's max hp by 300 and damage them by 250.

This ability can fail under certain conditions. On oatsmaster it succeeded.

I also claim the 1 hp damage on drazerk, i have a troll ability with 99% chance to do 1 damage and 1% chance to reduce target to 1hp.

also voting grab sword and oatsmaster, seems the most reasonable thing atm

That ability makes no sense and using it makes even less sense. Why did you think using that on Oats was a good idea?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18356 Posts
December 01 2012 17:54 GMT
#5477
Between GK, S&B and Kita, the D3 damage to Drazerk is finally accounted for. That just leaves lots of damage missing on days 1, 2 and 4.

Kita, who did you hit on D2?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18356 Posts
December 01 2012 18:00 GMT
#5478
Yeah, claims are making less sense by the minute. It is too hard to determine who is lying and scum might have abilities to screw with our reads.

I really want to know what happened to Drazerk, though. People have claimed 251 damage to him that is not showing up anywhere.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
December 01 2012 18:00 GMT
#5479
On December 02 2012 02:50 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 02:32 strongandbig wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:58 syllogism wrote:
Well he claimed using an ability on you and I've an idea what it might have done

Strongandbig you might as well claim what it was


I increase my target's max hp by 300 and damage them by 250.

This ability can fail under certain conditions. On oatsmaster it succeeded.

I also claim the 1 hp damage on drazerk, i have a troll ability with 99% chance to do 1 damage and 1% chance to reduce target to 1hp.

also voting grab sword and oatsmaster, seems the most reasonable thing atm

That ability makes no sense and using it makes even less sense. Why did you think using that on Oats was a good idea?


It gives +50 net hp and makes them benefit more from other peoples' heals. It doesn't count as a heal itself though, it just raises the max hp without removing any of the damage they've taken or whatever a heal technically counts as.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 01 2012 18:04 GMT
#5480
Okay so why did it take you until N4 to use this ability? Why did you use your "troll" ability on drazerk before that?

Oatsmaster: can you ask Greymist what your max hp is, thanks
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