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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 01 2012 19:55 GMT
#5501
What did you do on N5
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 01 2012 19:56 GMT
#5502
I fail to see how its a good idea to inflict 250 damage to someone with the benefit of increasing their max HP by 300. Like if I was town and I had that power, I would never use it.

Say someone has 450 HP. You knock them down to 200, but their max HP is 750 now. I just don't see how that's beneficial at all, when all of the claimed heals are much MUCH less than that (even if VE is telling the truth about +25% heal, that's still less heal than your damage).
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 01 2012 20:02 GMT
#5503
Concerning the most recent nights action, all I was told was that I was once again saved from death and masamune was restored. I followed up with a PM, asking a few questions that would help me cut through the vagueness. All questions about dmg taken and hp stuff were ignored.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 01 2012 20:08 GMT
#5504
On December 02 2012 05:02 Dienosore wrote:
Concerning the most recent nights action, all I was told was that I was once again saved from death and masamune was restored. I followed up with a PM, asking a few questions that would help me cut through the vagueness. All questions about dmg taken and hp stuff were ignored.

Strongandbig claims that he targeted you on n1 with an ability that does 250 damage to you, but at the same time increases your max hp by 300 and "heals" you by 300 (so +50 net heal). He claims that the healing aspect doesn't count as a normal heal, so you aren't informed about that.

If you assume you took 300 less damage on n1, would the damage you received on n4 been enough to kill you
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 01 2012 20:12 GMT
#5505
snb's ability seems like such bullshit. He's saying it does 50 damage and raises max hp by 300, but the notification you get is that you took 250 damage. How convenient
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 01 2012 20:13 GMT
#5506
ebwop 50 heal*
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
December 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#5507
Sounds like bullshit to me
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#5508
On December 01 2012 19:31 syllogism wrote:
Also I don't believe hapa's claim about a host error. They have been reading the thread and there is very little doubt that they have known about the issue for quite a while. It wouldn't have taken this long to notice the problem. Greymist even answered a question regarding how damage and healing is displayed in PMs when we were discussing hapa's missing PM.

If you are mafia, which I think is likely, I think it's pretty cowardly to attempt to hide behind a host error. You could have asked him about how healing mechanic works, but did not. Furthermore, I think any major, game affecting host errors should be acknowledged in some manner.


Syllo. You are a piece of shit.

I believe in playing to win, and I make no secret of that, but I would never lie about something like host error. Lying about host PM's would be even more of a dick move than what you're doing now, and I will never stoop to your level.

But to sit there and call me a fucking coward is beyond what I can take. Me a coward? Your entire fucking case against me boils down to a stupid PM and "lol someone like hapa has to be scum 'cause idunno." THAT's being a fucking coward, parading around a worthless case and hiding behind worthless reads and being unwilling to do any analysis whatsoever.

I will have some very select words for you post-game.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 01 2012 20:30 GMT
#5509
If there was a host error that went unnoticed for 2+ cycles even though host was there reading our conversations, I think Greymist should confirm. If you aren't lying about the error, what I said does not apply. You do not have to be angry, because it was all based on false assumptions.

Not confirming a mod error isn't any better than confirming it, in fact it is worse.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 01 2012 20:38 GMT
#5510
The point is, mafia shouldn't be able to hide behind false claims about host making an error. There is no way for us, the players, to determine whether that is true or not (not exactly accurate, but close enough). That is not playing mafia and it should not be allowed.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 01 2012 20:39 GMT
#5511
On December 02 2012 05:08 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:02 Dienosore wrote:
Concerning the most recent nights action, all I was told was that I was once again saved from death and masamune was restored. I followed up with a PM, asking a few questions that would help me cut through the vagueness. All questions about dmg taken and hp stuff were ignored.

Strongandbig claims that he targeted you on n1 with an ability that does 250 damage to you, but at the same time increases your max hp by 300 and "heals" you by 300 (so +50 net heal). He claims that the healing aspect doesn't count as a normal heal, so you aren't informed about that.

If you assume you took 300 less damage on n1, would the damage you received on n4 been enough to kill you


no

also, that sounds like a very fishy claim to me.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 01 2012 20:41 GMT
#5512
And that was a completely unwarranted response to what I said.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 01 2012 21:12 GMT
#5513
"lol you don't have to be angry if you're not scum but you are coward scum"

Go fuck yourself.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
December 01 2012 21:13 GMT
#5514
Anywho

We should be voting b I think for slash. Its multiple physical attacks.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
December 01 2012 21:17 GMT
#5515
And I think I will see what the oatmeal man can do.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
December 01 2012 21:22 GMT
#5516
My issue with Hapa's host error claim is that GreY contacted me when he realized based on my in thread claim that he had made an error and that occurred only minutes after I posted the incorrect information in the thread. Now I also don't think that Hapa would lie about host error so some host wifom for you: I doubt GreY would suspect a townie of lying intentionally about what happened to him but there is reason for scum to do it.

I think I'll gambit for grabbing the sword, I don't know shit about the game and that sounds fun. And I wanna see what the Masamune does for us.

## Slash Option A
and ## Flea Option C
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 01 2012 21:25 GMT
#5517
No need to get emotional

It seems to me that S&B's role is more useful as an investigative role, rather than a heal 50 hp role. Based on the two flips we've seen so far, the bad guys in the game match up with the mafia team roles. What we can do is select the player we're most likely to lynch the next cycle, force them to name claim, and have S&B verify that the character name.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
December 01 2012 21:32 GMT
#5518
On December 02 2012 06:25 kitaman27 wrote:
No need to get emotional

It seems to me that S&B's role is more useful as an investigative role, rather than a heal 50 hp role. Based on the two flips we've seen so far, the bad guys in the game match up with the mafia team roles. What we can do is select the player we're most likely to lynch the next cycle, force them to name claim, and have S&B verify that the character name.


Did it occur to you that if strong is scum, then his "confirmations" mean nothing? If the person's town, he'll say it "checks out," and if scum fake claims he'll do exactly the same...
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 01 2012 21:44 GMT
#5519
On December 02 2012 06:32 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 06:25 kitaman27 wrote:
No need to get emotional

It seems to me that S&B's role is more useful as an investigative role, rather than a heal 50 hp role. Based on the two flips we've seen so far, the bad guys in the game match up with the mafia team roles. What we can do is select the player we're most likely to lynch the next cycle, force them to name claim, and have S&B verify that the character name.


Did it occur to you that if strong is scum, then his "confirmations" mean nothing? If the person's town, he'll say it "checks out," and if scum fake claims he'll do exactly the same...


If he confirms a scum fake claim, then he's linked himself to another scum player and we have a 2 for 1 deal. You value the 50 hp heal over the investigative check?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
December 01 2012 21:51 GMT
#5520
On December 02 2012 06:44 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 06:32 goodkarma wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:25 kitaman27 wrote:
No need to get emotional

It seems to me that S&B's role is more useful as an investigative role, rather than a heal 50 hp role. Based on the two flips we've seen so far, the bad guys in the game match up with the mafia team roles. What we can do is select the player we're most likely to lynch the next cycle, force them to name claim, and have S&B verify that the character name.


Did it occur to you that if strong is scum, then his "confirmations" mean nothing? If the person's town, he'll say it "checks out," and if scum fake claims he'll do exactly the same...


If he confirms a scum fake claim, then he's linked himself to another scum player and we have a 2 for 1 deal. You value the 50 hp heal over the investigative check?


Never said that. Just saying we can't trust what he says from his investigative checks.

Nvm though. I see what you're saying now. If we're going to lynch a person he checks regardless of what he says his check turned back, then we can possibly catch him in a lie and get "2 for 1"... Got it. I approve.
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