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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 01 2012 03:18 GMT
#5421
Because of the amount of effort Acro has put into the game and my belief that he has the towns best interest at heart, I am not going to 100% claim my actions in order to protect his HP information. I do not believe the information I'm withholding is valuable enough to town to justify giving scum/other 3rd parties that info.

I gain vig hits equal to 2x the damage I deal to myself and untargetability as my secondary ability.
N1 - 63 HP
N2 - Target CJ for 126 damage
N3 - # HP (withheld to prevent knowledge of Acro's HP)
N4 - Target Toad
N5 - I'll debate whether its worth claiming.

Things to note:
My target on CJ seems to have been delayed. In addition, it directly contradicts gk's claim. There is an extra 75 damage that went missing on CJ Night 3. However, my hit should have gone through Night 2, and I don't know why it didn't.

I was unable to deal the amount of damage to myself that I wanted to last night. I still have a shot, its just less than I was expecting. The amount I fell short makes no sense from a percentage standpoint. It was not a round number.

No heals to report.


I don't want to use tech attacks for this event. I want to try taking that sword and I want Robo to attack first.

##Slash: A
##Flea: E
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
December 01 2012 03:27 GMT
#5422
On December 01 2012 12:16 iamperfection wrote:
did anyone claim the 200 on austin?


That was mine.

I'll probably do it again unless he drastically changes the read I had on Z-BosoN.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
December 01 2012 03:31 GMT
#5423
On December 01 2012 12:27 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:16 iamperfection wrote:
did anyone claim the 200 on austin?


That was mine.

I'll probably do it again unless he drastically changes the read I had on Z-BosoN.

were you set into that or you didn't want to give the replacement a chance?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
December 01 2012 03:34 GMT
#5424
My shot had to be spent, he was my top scum read.

Seemed like the right place for it to go.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 01 2012 03:47 GMT
#5425
On December 01 2012 04:20 CaveJohnson wrote:
Turducken was EMP
Night 2 I used cold snap (Eclair) on Djodref for self preservation reasons. I dunno if he ever got role blocked as a result.
I think Kita was targeted and then screwed with not me.
Spicy Jerky screwed with the first person to visit me and only them.


I didn't get roleblocked so far. Your action didn't get through or you are lying about it.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
December 01 2012 03:54 GMT
#5426
May as well full claim.

Each cycle, I must predict who is going to die in the following cycle.

If I am correct, I get a 200hp shot. I get two shots if the prediction is right in the 2300AD time period.

Cycle 1 I predicted Syllo to die, unaware that cycle 2 would be a lynch (or I would have chosen sandroba). Incorrect.
Cycle 2 I predicted Dienosore to die, due to his HP being low already. Incorrect.
Cycle 3 I predicted Toadesstern to die, assuming that cycle 4 was going to be a lynch (it was not). Incorrect.
Cycle 4 I predicted Toadesstern to die, along the thinking that we had to get a lynch soon. Correct- Shot Z-BosoN.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 15:27:53
December 01 2012 04:24 GMT
#5427
On December 01 2012 09:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Is the deadline for these votes a full cycle?


24 hours than more come
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
December 01 2012 05:18 GMT
#5428
On December 01 2012 11:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys no damage/heals on myself to report. I healed TC last cycle, if you're pissed that I didn't heal Dieno, get over it. dj seems to have protected him again, as I suspected he would, so healing our parity cop should be just fine with you guys thank you very much.

I know nothing of the game, so I'm going to defer to those who do this cycle. Right now that seems to be C/C but I'll let you TriggerFiends talk it out first and vote tomorrow (real time).

tc didn't report your heal what gives?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
December 01 2012 06:21 GMT
#5429
Confirming that I didn't get a pm. Gnight.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 01 2012 07:41 GMT
#5430
On December 01 2012 12:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Because of the amount of effort Acro has put into the game and my belief that he has the towns best interest at heart, I am not going to 100% claim my actions in order to protect his HP information. I do not believe the information I'm withholding is valuable enough to town to justify giving scum/other 3rd parties that info.

I gain vig hits equal to 2x the damage I deal to myself and untargetability as my secondary ability.
N1 - 63 HP
N2 - Target CJ for 126 damage
N3 - # HP (withheld to prevent knowledge of Acro's HP)
N4 - Target Toad
N5 - I'll debate whether its worth claiming.

Things to note:
My target on CJ seems to have been delayed. In addition, it directly contradicts gk's claim. There is an extra 75 damage that went missing on CJ Night 3. However, my hit should have gone through Night 2, and I don't know why it didn't.

I was unable to deal the amount of damage to myself that I wanted to last night. I still have a shot, its just less than I was expecting. The amount I fell short makes no sense from a percentage standpoint. It was not a round number.

No heals to report.


I don't want to use tech attacks for this event. I want to try taking that sword and I want Robo to attack first.

##Slash: A
##Flea: E


Assuming he isn't lying, this post changes my perception of Hopeless, someone who I was sure was scum. Also it incriminates GK even further.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 01 2012 10:08 GMT
#5431
I received two corrections to the damage I took and I actually took 210
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 01 2012 10:31 GMT
#5432
Also I don't believe hapa's claim about a host error. They have been reading the thread and there is very little doubt that they have known about the issue for quite a while. It wouldn't have taken this long to notice the problem. Greymist even answered a question regarding how damage and healing is displayed in PMs when we were discussing hapa's missing PM.

If you are mafia, which I think is likely, I think it's pretty cowardly to attempt to hide behind a host error. You could have asked him about how healing mechanic works, but did not. Furthermore, I think any major, game affecting host errors should be acknowledged in some manner.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18356 Posts
December 01 2012 11:06 GMT
#5433
On December 01 2012 15:21 TheChronicler wrote:
Confirming that I didn't get a pm. Gnight.

Funky shit.

This means the healing notification mechanics may be different than we thought. I find it very hard to believe VE OR TC would be dumb enough to lie about healing at this point.

Either that, or there is some kind of action redirector that is severely screwing with our minds. However, if it is targeted I can think of no sane reason to use that on Hapa and TC rather than high profile players who you'd expect to get healed (Syllo, Marv, Dino).
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
December 01 2012 11:16 GMT
#5434
On December 01 2012 19:08 syllogism wrote:
I received two corrections to the damage I took and I actually took 210


This is true. I took the same and the number of pms is the same for me as well. Just for some you/me confirmation the second number I was told was 92.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
December 01 2012 11:26 GMT
#5435
On December 01 2012 12:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
Because of the amount of effort Acro has put into the game and my belief that he has the towns best interest at heart, I am not going to 100% claim my actions in order to protect his HP information. I do not believe the information I'm withholding is valuable enough to town to justify giving scum/other 3rd parties that info.

I gain vig hits equal to 2x the damage I deal to myself and untargetability as my secondary ability.
N1 - 63 HP
N2 - Target CJ for 126 damage
N3 - # HP (withheld to prevent knowledge of Acro's HP)
N4 - Target Toad
N5 - I'll debate whether its worth claiming.

Things to note:
My target on CJ seems to have been delayed. In addition, it directly contradicts gk's claim. There is an extra 75 damage that went missing on CJ Night 3. However, my hit should have gone through Night 2, and I don't know why it didn't.

I was unable to deal the amount of damage to myself that I wanted to last night. I still have a shot, its just less than I was expecting. The amount I fell short makes no sense from a percentage standpoint. It was not a round number.

No heals to report.


I don't want to use tech attacks for this event. I want to try taking that sword and I want Robo to attack first.

##Slash: A
##Flea: E


So explain to me how your attack got "delayed?" Because from what I see in your claim, your damage should have gone through night 2. My shot went off on night 3...
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18356 Posts
December 01 2012 11:27 GMT
#5436
On December 01 2012 12:47 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 04:20 CaveJohnson wrote:
Turducken was EMP
Night 2 I used cold snap (Eclair) on Djodref for self preservation reasons. I dunno if he ever got role blocked as a result.
I think Kita was targeted and then screwed with not me.
Spicy Jerky screwed with the first person to visit me and only them.


I didn't get roleblocked so far. Your action didn't get through or you are lying about it.

Drazerk, it is time to come clean. In addition to Kita and Toad (not the most reliable sources), we now have H1 and Djodreff claiming night results different from what you do.

I am completely onboard with a policy of shooting you until you either die or tell us the truth.

For you to explain:
N1 - Kita claims a 50 damage shot and no damage to himself. You claim you took 25 damage and reflected damage back onto one person who hit you.

N2 - H1 claims a 126 damage shot. You claim no damage (or at least omitted a damage claim N2). You claim to RB Djodreff, who claims he wasn't roleblocked.

N3 - GK claims a 150 damage shot. You claim you took 201 damage. Given that H1 is the only one who claimed a vig shot with weird numbers, it seems as if you claimed N2 damage on N3.

N4 - Kita claims a 50 damage shot. You claim no damage.

I have even omitted the whole Turducken on Toad, because there's no need to speculate about what Toad was lying about.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18356 Posts
December 01 2012 11:34 GMT
#5437
On December 01 2012 12:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
Because of the amount of effort Acro has put into the game and my belief that he has the towns best interest at heart, I am not going to 100% claim my actions in order to protect his HP information. I do not believe the information I'm withholding is valuable enough to town to justify giving scum/other 3rd parties that info.

I gain vig hits equal to 2x the damage I deal to myself and untargetability as my secondary ability.
N1 - 63 HP
N2 - Target CJ for 126 damage
N3 - # HP (withheld to prevent knowledge of Acro's HP)
N4 - Target Toad
N5 - I'll debate whether its worth claiming.

Things to note:
My target on CJ seems to have been delayed. In addition, it directly contradicts gk's claim. There is an extra 75 damage that went missing on CJ Night 3. However, my hit should have gone through Night 2, and I don't know why it didn't.

I was unable to deal the amount of damage to myself that I wanted to last night. I still have a shot, its just less than I was expecting. The amount I fell short makes no sense from a percentage standpoint. It was not a round number.

No heals to report.


I don't want to use tech attacks for this event. I want to try taking that sword and I want Robo to attack first.

##Slash: A
##Flea: E

So your first ability is to do a percentage of a target player's HP damage to yourself, if I understand correctly? Current HP or max HP? Also what percentage? If you ever feel the necessity to claim N3, I want to be able to verify that.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 01 2012 11:42 GMT
#5438
On December 01 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oats I really would like to know if you got healed. If you did not please pm greymist to confirm your pm is accurate.


Still waiting, Oats.

On December 01 2012 20:06 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 15:21 TheChronicler wrote:
Confirming that I didn't get a pm. Gnight.

Funky shit.

This means the healing notification mechanics may be different than we thought. I find it very hard to believe VE OR TC would be dumb enough to lie about healing at this point.

Either that, or there is some kind of action redirector that is severely screwing with our minds. However, if it is targeted I can think of no sane reason to use that on Hapa and TC rather than high profile players who you'd expect to get healed (Syllo, Marv, Dino).


Healing works as described. As long as you're not at full health and you get healed, you get notified (barring host error), even if you take damage. So either the heal didn't go through or TC is full hp.
An action redirector is not out of the question but after 5 completed cycles you'd think we would have more inconsistencies than we have now.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
December 01 2012 11:44 GMT
#5439
On December 01 2012 20:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oats I really would like to know if you got healed. If you did not please pm greymist to confirm your pm is accurate.


Still waiting, Oats.

Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:06 Acrofales wrote:
On December 01 2012 15:21 TheChronicler wrote:
Confirming that I didn't get a pm. Gnight.

Funky shit.

This means the healing notification mechanics may be different than we thought. I find it very hard to believe VE OR TC would be dumb enough to lie about healing at this point.

Either that, or there is some kind of action redirector that is severely screwing with our minds. However, if it is targeted I can think of no sane reason to use that on Hapa and TC rather than high profile players who you'd expect to get healed (Syllo, Marv, Dino).


Healing works as described. As long as you're not at full health and you get healed, you get notified (barring host error), even if you take damage. So either the heal didn't go through or TC is full hp.
An action redirector is not out of the question but after 5 completed cycles you'd think we would have more inconsistencies than we have now.


Unless Draz himself is the action director/re-director and it is out of his control. Though it is much more believable that he is full of shit.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18356 Posts
December 01 2012 12:11 GMT
#5440
I doublechecked and TC claimed damage and no other heals, so he should not have been at full health.

VE, do you have any indication that your heal notifications are different from Clarity/Iamp's?
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