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On November 26 2012 06:55 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think my posting at the beginning should be taken as alignment indicative. It was prodding, mostly.
I'm on the fence about Mr. Cheesecake. His posting is still mostly defending himself, and attacking two players who posted early, me and Helo. That kind of behavior doesn't really indicate alignment, but if he keeps coming after me with posts that don't even address my concerns about him, I'm going to vote for him.
Most of what I've posted so far has been to get a reaction, and it has worked. How people answer questions and accusations are definitely tells.
I don't get this. Look back at your own posts.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 10:55 yamato77 wrote:
Everyone is likely waiting for other people to post so they can come in the thread with:
"XXX is SCUM! His opening post proves it!" On November 25 2012 11:00 yamato77 wrote:
The D1 lynch. On November 25 2012 13:51 yamato77 wrote:
If we sheep oats and lynch cheesecake, and he flips town, at least our day 2 lynch is an easy decision. On November 25 2012 14:02 yamato77 wrote:
I think you need a real case against Cheesecake before you make a post calling him scum. Anything else is either bad town play or blatant misdirection. On November 25 2012 14:16 yamato77 wrote:
Still feel uneasy about me? On November 25 2012 14:37 yamato77 wrote:
Why don't you give us your actual input on Cheesecake? On November 25 2012 14:53 yamato77 wrote:
I don't really care for your topics of discussion, but that's about it. On November 25 2012 15:09 yamato77 wrote:
I think the discussion is fine as it is. On November 25 2012 15:12 yamato77 wrote:
That is, between Aqua and I, the only other 2 people actively keeping up.
What exactly do you expect to accomplish with this? What do you think to did accomplish? As far as I can tell very little of today's conversation has revovled around your contributions (until you got accused, which can't be what you were looking for). To me they look more like someone trying active while not contributing.
And still you've done a minimal amount of scum hunting, while doing a lot of explaining yourself and asking others about their opinion of you. Scum are not interested in scum hunting, while they are interested in knowing what others think of them.
That said I'm not sure you're scum and if you're not, step it up pls.
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On November 26 2012 08:14 yamato77 wrote:
I don't particularly care for how me jumped on me after one post, especially when it gave a similar read to his own.
In what way? Just recently you said something to the extent of "at least SDMs post had some quality". Now you're saying you don't like it.
The difference between our post is I was posting about something that can be alignment indicative, you were mostly sheeping.
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On November 26 2012 13:23 JacobStrangelove wrote:
That is true and it is a good point... however when I was scum I set out to bus everyone I could. (not common though) oh and don't worry about it being to early for that I love association cases.
Early D1 association cases suck, you should know better.
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Actually yeah, he hasnt really asked any questions, just defended himself and jumped on the fact that I started the reactions.
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On November 26 2012 12:38 yamato77 wrote:
SDM's vote on me is based on information from a single post basically, which does not bode well for my opinion of him. Honestly if I am your top scumread because of a bunch of one-liners and a post where I give my negative opinion on someone you read as scum, you are doing something wrong.
CC's vote on me looks like scum trying to deflect attention onto a player receiving negative heat. Also, it would eliminate someone he sees as a threat, if he was scum, in that I haven't liked his play since the start of the game.
I'm tempted to vote Cheesecake with you, if your vote is actually serious. However, if I get lynched today, I would 100% go after CC and SDM tomorrow because of the way they have parked their votes on me.
Not really, if you recall I found you kind of suspicious before that post.
And just for the record, my vote isn't parked on anyone in the sense that I'm not considering switching. As of right now there are only a few posters off the table for me when it comes to my D1 lynch and at the end of the day, it's quite possible it will land on one of the more lurky players because those are the ones that will become hard.
Please realize that if you're town, this means being active and posting your thoughts is the best way not to get my vote.
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ebwop: *become hard to read
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On November 26 2012 15:23 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 13:23 JacobStrangelove wrote:
That is true and it is a good point... however when I was scum I set out to bus everyone I could. (not common though) oh and don't worry about it being to early for that I love association cases. Early D1 association cases suck, you should know better.
Hey I know! I pointed it out...
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I'll make my case against CC when I get home. My early game posts were obviously bad play. I get that now. Since then I think I'm quickly improving. I keep asking because it does no good to be town and get lynched day one for playing like scum.
That being said, I completely understand SDM's vote to me, but I have not changed my opinion on CC.
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On November 26 2012 10:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I made that case so that you guys could see how bad of a case it was..
And it got bashed horrendously. Thanks for seeing my point of view.
Im still on the fence about Cheesecake because he hasnt actually posted any reads, just responded to people.
I am inclined to think that SDM is town because he made a longass post on CC.
On November 26 2012 12:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets go with the association case now.
If CC is scum, yamato isnt, if yamato is scum, CC isnt.
How would CC see you as a threat? arnt me and SDM more of a threat at that point of time?
How many times do I have to repeat that my vote is serious
Dude, you're making very little sense. You made what you consider a bad case against CC. You're on the fence with him, but you're still repeating how serious you are about lynching him. At this point you should really be able to have a decent case if you're convinced about sticking to CC.
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I have a strong feeling that he is scum. I cant prove it due to having less than 10 posts to analyse.
On the fence means that I didnt see anything from him to change my vote.
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On November 25 2012 22:06 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 21:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 25 2012 21:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hey just asking the question! Looking back I may have read into that.... a little too much but we don't have much to work with. It wasn't so much your argument that confused me, but the sentence containing a double negation and a parentheses within a parentheses within a parentheses. Did I get it correctly that you thought giving Oat an easy out was scummy by Kick? Yes. I have to kick that habit.
I am just confused why you are so angry and aggressive. *mental note to check history* It just looked like a strange thing to ask with the tail end out. Also we have to compare the two votes as they are the only two votes there are. We may find as you say they are completely different however but not as different as you think. But yeah I was thinking along the lines of oats put a target of his back. However some people *cough* kush *cough* use that play even as mafia to variable success.
How did this work out for you? I'd expect that when you're suspicious of me, you would look into this before giving me a town read. Unless you know, you're not at all suspicious of me because you know I'm town.
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On November 26 2012 16:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have a strong feeling that he is scum. I cant prove it due to having less than 10 posts to analyse.
On the fence means that I didnt see anything from him to change my vote.
It's kind of a paradoxical that you have a really strong read based on that few posts. Try to figure out why you feel this way and try to explain it.
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On November 26 2012 16:07 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 22:06 JacobStrangelove wrote:On November 25 2012 21:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 25 2012 21:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hey just asking the question! Looking back I may have read into that.... a little too much but we don't have much to work with. It wasn't so much your argument that confused me, but the sentence containing a double negation and a parentheses within a parentheses within a parentheses. Did I get it correctly that you thought giving Oat an easy out was scummy by Kick? Yes. I have to kick that habit.
I am just confused why you are so angry and aggressive. *mental note to check history* It just looked like a strange thing to ask with the tail end out. Also we have to compare the two votes as they are the only two votes there are. We may find as you say they are completely different however but not as different as you think. But yeah I was thinking along the lines of oats put a target of his back. However some people *cough* kush *cough* use that play even as mafia to variable success. How did this work out for you? I'd expect that when you're suspicious of me, you would look into this before giving me a town read. Unless you know, you're not at all suspicious of me because you know I'm town.
Ahh I changed subject without mentioning it. Was referring to kick. I must admit I forgot to look into it. Will do that now.
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Woah, Kickstarter was so nice in The Mario game. Not sure but it looks like a complete meta change. (although going of one game isn't strong) just wondering why the aggressive comments for "bad play" when he claims to have been a victim of that.
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A message to our blue roles: So I don't like discussing blue strategy in this thread, and I don't think anyone should, but your actions will be important. If you're not sure what to do, contact the coaches to discuss some strat.
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nah, I think that he was kinda sad about the mafia game because he got played, so now he is trying to make sure that it doesnt happen to him again.
Looking through Cheesecake's filter right now.
On November 26 2012 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:HeloKnight seems to be playing extremely safe. When Oat's bloats (lol) the thread up with his vote on me, the thread is generally anti-Oats. Helo randomly pops in and gives a reiterative thought post on him and then immediately leaves afterward. Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 00:56 HeloKnight wrote:Oats:On November 25 2012 21:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kickstart, I am saying you OMGUS voted me. Which you did.
I would love to make a case on Cheesecake if he posted more than 10 posts...
My vote in cheese is based on FEELING. Your vote on me is because you think that my vote is bullshit. Therefore, you OMGUS me :l On November 25 2012 18:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
I love this, Cheesecake posted 2 posts and people are expecting me to make a case. LOL. He did nothing to convince me that he is town yet though :/
I agree with the content, but it feels forced, thats all that I think about cheesecake right now. Modkills/replacements should be the LAST thing on your mind in the whole game. On November 25 2012 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:LOL kickstart learning from the vets huh. there are like 4 pages of content, I challenge you to find a case out of that. A proper case that has scum reasons for certain posts. ok about cheesecake On November 25 2012 11:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Greetings gentlemen!
A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion:
1) How many games have you played on TL?
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
3) Pie or Cheesecake?
For me:
1) this is my third, one game as mafia one as VT
2) Lynching a lurker d1 is good to me if no viable scum read presents itself. Also, we have no vig to take care of pesky lurkers otherwise.
3) Pie. Jk jk. This post looks like he is being light-hearted, especially with the Pie and Cheesecake question. I feel that it is an act, the post looks VERY deliberate in being casual. On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road. Anyone else around? Then here, a reason for people to be lurking is because we havent called them out. He basically says, I will lynch a lurker/anybody. Which is good reason to hop onto any bandwagon that is benefical for scum. Like lynching an inactive town/active but bad town These posts are confusing. You say several times that you can't write a case from his posts thus far, in response to those asking you to explain yourself, but then you write a mini-case in the very same post. Why didn't you just write this case when people asked for it, instead of repeatedly saying that you can't write a case? On November 26 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cheesecake, you completely miss the point about the first post.
I said you are TRYING too hard to be casual and it ends up looking fake. So therefore you are scum trying to gain town image by starting a discussion.
However, the discussion has nothing to do with scum reads and such, it is basically fluff that you want from your questions.
so I think that you are scum because you APPEAR to be helping town when in actual fact, you are putting up a facade. You say that "trying to look casual" is a scum trait, but your first few posts are looking pretty casual: On November 25 2012 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Just kidding :D
But seriously lets talk.
This is my first/second game, I/E I havent finished a mafia game yet This post looks pretty "forced casual" too, but I don't know if smilies are the norm for Oats. On November 25 2012 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
By far the most important question
3) Pie. Or a Light Cheesecake.
1) 0. I am currently in another game
2) I think that we should lynch a lurker D1 yes. Why is "trying to be casual" a scum trait when you are clearly trying to be casual yourself? This entire "trying to be casual" stuff isn't anything new. Furthermore, everyone should be acting casual because it's not a stressful game (yet?). Anything anyone says can be turned into a wifom attack via "oh, you're trying to look like this because [insert midly suspicious post here]." This seems like a very easy post to make, and I just don't see a lot of substance here. Then, he gives a random post 2 hours after his last, and 2 hours before the next. Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 03:19 HeloKnight wrote:On November 26 2012 01:55 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 26 2012 01:40 Kickstart wrote:On November 26 2012 01:25 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On November 25 2012 22:40 Kickstart wrote:
You two seem to be agreeing that you don't think Oats is scum. Can you explain his vote onto cheese then, because he apparently can't provide a decent explanation for it himself.
I take it you have never played scum. The last thing you feel like doing when you're scum is to stumble into the thread and make a terrible case with no evidence, because it'll give you a ton of attention. You can argue whether his posts are anti-town or not. They've started some discussions and a lot of people (well, at least some) are chiming in with opinions etc. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter whether it's anti-town though, I've basically seen no newbies play scum like this (perhaps Kush. I am however inclined to agree with you that scum wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves but I can't get over how bad his posts were, and they haven't gotten much better. That's exactly how I've been reacting in the Obs QTs I've been in. I see someone who (imo) play terrible and use flawed logic and it pisses me off so bad that I think it makes him scum. Rarely have those reads been correct and I think it's because scum are too careful to use terrible logic. There are better scum tells than someone simply "playing bad". The mafia has to implicate townies as scum and, using good logic, they can only convict other scum. So doesn't scum have to use terrible logic? Otherwise they with only catch their partners. I do not understand the motivation behind asking this question. The first sentence is obvious, but the question seems pointless to ask because scum can't use terrible logic or they'll be easily called out on it. It seems like a safe question to ask because the answer is easy. Afterwards, he comments on SDM's little case on me. Here, he essentially soft-defends me while probing for more information from SDM. HeloKnight seems to be playing very neutral, not wanting to take that leap of faith into uncharted territory or make anyone angry. Understandable for both new town and scum. It's how i played in XXIX so that's why it strikes me so. Hold on will post more soon on someone else need to answer some of les questions.
This posts seems completely irrelevent, why post such a long post if you have a null read on them? To give you an excuse to get off their back.
On November 26 2012 06:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Yes, SDM, I know you pointed this out, but I have to say something. Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:34 yamato77 wrote:
Mr. Cheesecake is playing without contributing. He's written a lot, but most of it is absolutely useless to a town looking for scum. His policy discussion and talk about other mafia games he's played doesn't help hunt for other players, it seems like more of a defense for himself. Then he calls out two players, myself and Helo, trying to draw attention away from himself. None of this reads town to me, at all. I really do NOT like this kind of post from Yamato. First, he is completely hypocritical because he hasn't contributed two cents to the thread. Secondly, he is answering a question that isn't addressed to him. He randomly pops up when I'm being pressured to cast aspersions on me. Where was he before this? What is his motivation or making such a cavalier, random post? He is entitled to his opinion, but his convenient timing and content reads inherently scummy to me.
Then he calls Yamato hypocritical when in fact, he is doing the same thing. He has not commented on either kickstart's vote on me or the other people on Yamato.
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Hello everyone, I'm back.
For now:
##Vote: Munk-E
I require more posts from Munk-E to make any kind of a read on him. Post some more stuff Munk-E, look for scum (somewhere other than in Oatsmaster's early contributions, there's plenty more to read now).
If your posts have new content this vote will disappear.
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On November 26 2012 16:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
nah, I think that he was kinda sad about the mafia game because he got played, so now he is trying to make sure that it doesnt happen to him again.
How do you know this?
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Oats, do you have any other scum reads? In a game where 90% of the players look like scum I'm having a hard time seeing a townie so convinced of a target at this point.
I'm also legitimately concerned about Jacob and Aqua. They really seem to not want to take a stance on anything. Jacob seems really wishy-washy and not very interested in finding a lynch candidate. He's showing no sense of urgency at all and quite satisfied with the current state of the game, which I would expect scum to be right now because we're really heading nowhere and activity is low.
I'm soon heading off to school and I would've liked to be able to narrow down my potential list of lynch candidates, but there are probably 5 players I'd consider now.
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On November 26 2012 16:49 Aquanim wrote:
Hello everyone, I'm back.
For now:
##Vote: Munk-E
I require more posts from Munk-E to make any kind of a read on him. Post some more stuff Munk-E, look for scum (somewhere other than in Oatsmaster's early contributions, there's plenty more to read now).
If your posts have new content this vote will disappear.
Aqua, that's all you got after all this discussion?
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