EPTWe need to lynch Djodref today!
He has two official cases against him by myself and Debears, and nearly everyone in the thread has a scumread on him. He is the scummiest looking person in this thread by far. The fact that Roco comes back inconspicuously and defends him by voting Dandel is also huge. So, Inig seems scummy, Dandel seems scummy-- But Djodref is the common factor. In most people's eyes in this thread, he has, at the very least, a good potential to be scum. And in my eyes, he has the highest potential.
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On October 28 2012 08:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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The Scumslip
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Furthermore, Djo provides us with the weakest defense for a scumslip ever:
All he says is "Not a scumslip, please move along" and plays it off like no big deal with a characteristic smiley and ^^. This explanation is nowhere near adequate enough to address the issue.
“Are you Mafia?" Question
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I first picked up on this in my original FoS post. Why would you ask someone explicitly if they are mafia? What is even the PURPOSE of this? Is he attempting to arouse suspicion for Roco?
His Questions about Inig
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An Appeal to Emotion
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This is an outright appeal to emotion. He's feeling bad about last game, sure. Why bring it up? It bears no significance to anything in the thread other than making us feel bad for him. He even gives Debears a <3... really?
180 on Inig
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This is 100% completely contradictory to everything Djo has previously said / advocated about Inig. He had a case on Inig, he was always asking those questions about him. Inig was, apparently, his biggest scum read. Why the sudden 180 degree turn and vote for Da0ud? It makes no sense whatsoever, and his explanation for dropping the vote was "I'm really starting to doubt myself about Inig's case..." and his reason for voting Da0ud is: "his involvement hasn't been great." Hardly enough to justify a revote.
Djo's attempt to discredit me
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Here he advocates that I choose a side on the Da0ud-Inig debate, which I eventually did once I returned. Also: why is he so paranoid about my vote on him?
This post contradicts the previous. He explicitly TOLD me to weigh in on the debate and cast my vote for one of the others. Why the heck is he calling me out for it? Is this not what he asked for from me?
And here Djo is trying to further his case about my vote of Da0ud. There is a portion after the lynch where I try to explain to him that my biggest scumread was still on him. That pursuing his case at the time would have produced nothing; that I voted for Da0ud because he looked scummier than Inig; Check either of our filters about it. (page 38ish of the thread).
He seems sour that I have a scumread / FoS on him and a vote most of the day. This entire ploy to discredit me is baseless, and likely an attempt to thwart my future attempts at scum hunting him.
General Thread Clutter (my opinion)
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A Final Note
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MY OPINION ON DJODREF
A compilation of quotes, and reasons why I believe he is guilty
A compilation of quotes, and reasons why I believe he is guilty
By: Mr. Cheesecake
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The Scumslip
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On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote:
daoud
Good !
I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town
What's your take on the Rad-debears argument by the way?
Here is the infamous scumslip by Djo, he refers to Da0ud explicitly as town (who we now know IS town). There is little to say here: How does Djo know Da0ud is town? He doesn't even have a reason to think he's town. He even votes for Da0ud which I will address later.daoud
Good !
I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town
What's your take on the Rad-debears argument by the way?
Furthermore, Djo provides us with the weakest defense for a scumslip ever:
On October 25 2012 18:40 Djodref wrote:
I don't know already if you are town or not. I've spoken too fast because I was thinking of our last game where you were town. It was a slip, but not a scumslip
Regarding Roco, I understand your hunch but he reminds me your first weird posts last game. He is suspicious but he doesn't deserve red bold font yet imo ^^
I don't know already if you are town or not. I've spoken too fast because I was thinking of our last game where you were town. It was a slip, but not a scumslip
Regarding Roco, I understand your hunch but he reminds me your first weird posts last game. He is suspicious but he doesn't deserve red bold font yet imo ^^
All he says is "Not a scumslip, please move along" and plays it off like no big deal with a characteristic smiley and ^^. This explanation is nowhere near adequate enough to address the issue.
“Are you Mafia?" Question
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On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote:
@Roco
I have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ?
Are you mafia ?
@Roco
I have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ?
Are you mafia ?
I first picked up on this in my original FoS post. Why would you ask someone explicitly if they are mafia? What is even the PURPOSE of this? Is he attempting to arouse suspicion for Roco?
On October 26 2012 01:12 Djodref wrote:
@sylver
I'm sorry but not wanting to look suspicious is totally natural from a townie, especially from a total newbie. Adding the second question was only to make him uncomfortable if he was mafia.
How on God's green Earth would asking someone if they are mafia make them uncomfortable? All a scum player would need to rebuke it is: No. There is zero town motivation for asking someone if they are mafia.@sylver
I'm sorry but not wanting to look suspicious is totally natural from a townie, especially from a total newbie. Adding the second question was only to make him uncomfortable if he was mafia.
His Questions about Inig
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It is obvious from the very beginning that Djo is suspicious of Ini. He asks everyone about what they think of him.
Firstly: Why would Djo care what anyone else thinks? If his scum read were strong enough, he'd have the confidence (there's that word again...) to make a case without input from a third party.
Secondly: He sometimes asks these questions in context of something else, as if to brush off some accusation against him.
He throws out two questions, one of them being about inig. What does Inig have anything to do with the discussion at hand? The only reason I can see for it is an attempt to derail the thread into something about Inig.
He completely brushes off the FoS from Alsn and asks about Inig instead.
These questions are nothing more than attempts to deflect discussion, away from him or otherwise, onto something else.
Firstly: Why would Djo care what anyone else thinks? If his scum read were strong enough, he'd have the confidence (there's that word again...) to make a case without input from a third party.
Secondly: He sometimes asks these questions in context of something else, as if to brush off some accusation against him.
On October 25 2012 18:51 Djodref wrote:
@daoud
What do you think about Ini ?
@daoud
What do you think about Ini ?
On October 25 2012 23:21 Djodref wrote:
@debears
If you are around, I would like to know what do you think about Inig first posts.
@debears
If you are around, I would like to know what do you think about Inig first posts.
On October 26 2012 01:21 Djodref wrote:
I don't think that debears is advocating chaos. In my point of view, he is certainly promoting discussion. We could as well being still discussing policy lynches if he wasn't here. And please remind that it's quite easy for mafia to avoid a policy lynch.
By the way, do you believe that we can lynch a scum on D1 ?
What do you think of Inig ?
I don't think that debears is advocating chaos. In my point of view, he is certainly promoting discussion. We could as well being still discussing policy lynches if he wasn't here. And please remind that it's quite easy for mafia to avoid a policy lynch.
By the way, do you believe that we can lynch a scum on D1 ?
What do you think of Inig ?
He throws out two questions, one of them being about inig. What does Inig have anything to do with the discussion at hand? The only reason I can see for it is an attempt to derail the thread into something about Inig.
On October 26 2012 08:25 Djodref wrote:
@Alsn
I would expect more from you than an half-assed FoS on me
What do you think about Inig ?
@Alsn
I would expect more from you than an half-assed FoS on me
What do you think about Inig ?
He completely brushes off the FoS from Alsn and asks about Inig instead.
On October 26 2012 10:15 Djodref wrote:
Honestly, I don't really care if Alsn has a FoS on me if it is for the reasons he has stated in his post. I know he is totally able to come at me with something more consistent if he really thinks I'm scum. Right now, I think his reasons are poor and I'm more interested in his opinion about Ini.
AGAIN, brushing off the FoS from Alsn, in favor of pursing interests of Ini.Honestly, I don't really care if Alsn has a FoS on me if it is for the reasons he has stated in his post. I know he is totally able to come at me with something more consistent if he really thinks I'm scum. Right now, I think his reasons are poor and I'm more interested in his opinion about Ini.
These questions are nothing more than attempts to deflect discussion, away from him or otherwise, onto something else.
An Appeal to Emotion
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On October 26 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote:
I'm still feeling bad for tunneling until death last game
I even didn't have the balls to state that I had changed my mind about you at the end. As I feel some townie vibes from you in this game, I thought I could at least defend you this one time.
debears <3
I'm still feeling bad for tunneling until death last game
I even didn't have the balls to state that I had changed my mind about you at the end. As I feel some townie vibes from you in this game, I thought I could at least defend you this one time.
debears <3
This is an outright appeal to emotion. He's feeling bad about last game, sure. Why bring it up? It bears no significance to anything in the thread other than making us feel bad for him. He even gives Debears a <3... really?
180 on Inig
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On October 27 2012 08:56 Djodref wrote:
## Vote daoud
Because his involvement in this game has not been great so far...
Please note that this is the entire vote post.## Vote daoud
Because his involvement in this game has not been great so far...
This is 100% completely contradictory to everything Djo has previously said / advocated about Inig. He had a case on Inig, he was always asking those questions about him. Inig was, apparently, his biggest scum read. Why the sudden 180 degree turn and vote for Da0ud? It makes no sense whatsoever, and his explanation for dropping the vote was "I'm really starting to doubt myself about Inig's case..." and his reason for voting Da0ud is: "his involvement hasn't been great." Hardly enough to justify a revote.
Djo's attempt to discredit me
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On October 27 2012 08:00 Djodref wrote:
@ Cheese
What the fuck are you doing with your vote still on my back ?
Come in the thread and choose who you want to lynch today between daoud and Ini. Tell us your reasons about it !
@ Cheese
What the fuck are you doing with your vote still on my back ?
Come in the thread and choose who you want to lynch today between daoud and Ini. Tell us your reasons about it !
Here he advocates that I choose a side on the Da0ud-Inig debate, which I eventually did once I returned. Also: why is he so paranoid about my vote on him?
On October 27 2012 17:53 Djodref wrote:
@ Cheese
At this point, were you considering that daoud and Inig were better candidate than me ?
You have been suspecting me for quite a long time D1 and you suddenly prefer to lynch daoud because some replacement came in and told you he was scummy ?
You alsmost didn't consider him at all until that point yet you have no problem with lynching him instead of your top scumread (which was me) ?
I'm pretty surprised that you didn't try to push my lynch.
@ Cheese
At this point, were you considering that daoud and Inig were better candidate than me ?
You have been suspecting me for quite a long time D1 and you suddenly prefer to lynch daoud because some replacement came in and told you he was scummy ?
You alsmost didn't consider him at all until that point yet you have no problem with lynching him instead of your top scumread (which was me) ?
I'm pretty surprised that you didn't try to push my lynch.
This post contradicts the previous. He explicitly TOLD me to weigh in on the debate and cast my vote for one of the others. Why the heck is he calling me out for it? Is this not what he asked for from me?
On October 27 2012 23:19 Djodref wrote:
As you can see, I was a little more than your best scumread. Nevertheless, you gave little to no protest about lynching daoud or ini over me. Big scumtell in my book.
As you can see, I was a little more than your best scumread. Nevertheless, you gave little to no protest about lynching daoud or ini over me. Big scumtell in my book.
And here Djo is trying to further his case about my vote of Da0ud. There is a portion after the lynch where I try to explain to him that my biggest scumread was still on him. That pursuing his case at the time would have produced nothing; that I voted for Da0ud because he looked scummier than Inig; Check either of our filters about it. (page 38ish of the thread).
He seems sour that I have a scumread / FoS on him and a vote most of the day. This entire ploy to discredit me is baseless, and likely an attempt to thwart my future attempts at scum hunting him.
General Thread Clutter (my opinion)
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Admittedly some of it is defense, his filter is huge and he's talking on absolutely every page. The thread doesn't need to know every thought that pops in your head. A large majority is just casual conversation without his own input on certain subjects. Is this an attempt to bury logical arguements? He's trying to post a lot to seem like he's contributing, but I find most of his questions/concerns pointless. Take the "scumtell on Kush" post. I don't think anyone in the thread thought it was a scumtell, but he made a fuss over it.
A Final Note
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Look at who Djodref has suspicions (FoS's) on. Me and Sylverfyre. I oppose him, and Sylverfyre has tunneled him hard. His best scum reads are on people that find him highly suspicious! What does this say? He's scared. He's scared and replying by digging up any dirt he can on us.
After synthesizing all of what you have posted Djo, the jig is up. You are SCUM
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On October 29 2012 03:51 debears wrote:
wow lol posted it in the last newbie. Thrawn we did the same thing :/ fuck me lol
A Second case on Djo
Since my first case, Djo hasn't done much to help my read on him. In fact, after rereading his filter again, I'd say my scumread on him is even stronger.
Points in the original case/cases
1) Stated and Acted as though he had a town read on me day 1, then denies it when pressured by Rad
2) His two scumslips (slips as he calls them) - Dau0d town comment and the slip when talking about Alsn's fOS
3) Wanting me to "Take care of Rad" day 1
The Day 1 lynch
First, I want to point out his indecisiveness and apparent apathy to who he wanted lynched.
Djo's first actual pursuit was Inig. He was pressing on Inig pretty well. However, when asked who he would want to lynch, he says Sylver (with his vote on Inig)
A couple of posts later, he unvotes and states why he doesn't want to lynch Inig suddenly.
That's quite the turnaround after the pressure and vote
His only reason for not voting Inig was that Inig seemed "sincere". In fact, he said that it would be rational to lynch Inig based on his posting. That one post is a huge contradiction. Notice how during his time, he puts suspicion on Sylver.
Also, notice the timing of the unvote. He unvoted when there were other people agreeing with his case. That's really weird combined with the "he's sincere" reasoning on Inig.
Djo's approach on Dau0d
Despite Djo's suspicions on Inig and Sylver, he ends up voting Dau0d. Why? Lets see
Not the greatest reasoning. He does provide some reasoning right after though.
Notice his reasoning. It's literally almost the same for Inig. Yet, he feels that Inig was "more distinguished in asking questions/contributing". I don't get it. Also, he didn't think Dau0d's meta was different than Dau0d's town game when he posted this earlier.
He flip-flopped onto Dau0d after kush's case while spreading suspicion onto 2 other plays (slyverfyre and Inig). His reasoning for moving his suspicion around was poor at the best. To me, it seems like he didn't care who got lynched
Hammering CheeseCake for the Switched Vote
This was posted after the lynch
Isn't this similar to what Djo did? Yet Djo is calling him out for it? Djo had no considerations of Dau0d until the kush case was posted.
Yet again, a FOS for hypocritical reasoning. Not only did Djo drop his top scumread for poor reasoning, he voted for Dau0d for poor reasoning. And now he's spreading suspicion on CheeseCake.
This post, however, is the kicker
Djo told him to change his vote in the first place!!!!!!!!!!
Then, he tries to accuse Cheese of scum since Cheese did it???? Wow.
Meta
Djo has little meta to go on with only 2 games. However, there are differences from his town game and scum game. These differences, related to this game, are not damning by any means, but do support that Djo could be scum.
1) Djo is capable of being active as scum. His filter was roughly 9 pgs as scum in Looney
2)His case format this game compared to his other games
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372945¤tpage=58#1147 - Game as scum
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=374466¤tpage=23#441 - this game
Look at the shocking similarities. Now, this could be how he likes to post now, since this is only his 3rd game.
However, in looking at his first newbie as cop, no posts have the same format (Correct me if I'm wrong on this Djo)
3) Personality - Djo's personality this game is similar to his other games as cop and mafia. Take out the newbie card play, and he sounds the same in all 3. Thus, his personality is a null tell, but it mean that he can be mafia
A Common Fallacy
I think this game has fallen into the trap of activity = town. That is not always the case. Take a long hard look at Djo's filter and this case. His filter is huge and it was a bitch to go through. Mafia can hide in a big filter.
Djo is my number 2 scum read besides Dandel right now. I still need to see if Dandel even comes back (and defends himself properly + has something to contribute) before I would think of voting Djo.
Let me know if you need clarification on anything. Reading Djo's filter + writing out the case = sucks
wow lol posted it in the last newbie. Thrawn we did the same thing :/ fuck me lol
A Second case on Djo
Since my first case, Djo hasn't done much to help my read on him. In fact, after rereading his filter again, I'd say my scumread on him is even stronger.
Points in the original case/cases
1) Stated and Acted as though he had a town read on me day 1, then denies it when pressured by Rad
2) His two scumslips (slips as he calls them) - Dau0d town comment and the slip when talking about Alsn's fOS
3) Wanting me to "Take care of Rad" day 1
The Day 1 lynch
First, I want to point out his indecisiveness and apparent apathy to who he wanted lynched.
Djo's first actual pursuit was Inig. He was pressing on Inig pretty well. However, when asked who he would want to lynch, he says Sylver (with his vote on Inig)
A couple of posts later, he unvotes and states why he doesn't want to lynch Inig suddenly.
That's quite the turnaround after the pressure and vote
His only reason for not voting Inig was that Inig seemed "sincere". In fact, he said that it would be rational to lynch Inig based on his posting. That one post is a huge contradiction. Notice how during his time, he puts suspicion on Sylver.
Also, notice the timing of the unvote. He unvoted when there were other people agreeing with his case. That's really weird combined with the "he's sincere" reasoning on Inig.
Djo's approach on Dau0d
Despite Djo's suspicions on Inig and Sylver, he ends up voting Dau0d. Why? Lets see
Not the greatest reasoning. He does provide some reasoning right after though.
Notice his reasoning. It's literally almost the same for Inig. Yet, he feels that Inig was "more distinguished in asking questions/contributing". I don't get it. Also, he didn't think Dau0d's meta was different than Dau0d's town game when he posted this earlier.
He flip-flopped onto Dau0d after kush's case while spreading suspicion onto 2 other plays (slyverfyre and Inig). His reasoning for moving his suspicion around was poor at the best. To me, it seems like he didn't care who got lynched
Hammering CheeseCake for the Switched Vote
This was posted after the lynch
Isn't this similar to what Djo did? Yet Djo is calling him out for it? Djo had no considerations of Dau0d until the kush case was posted.
Yet again, a FOS for hypocritical reasoning. Not only did Djo drop his top scumread for poor reasoning, he voted for Dau0d for poor reasoning. And now he's spreading suspicion on CheeseCake.
This post, however, is the kicker
Djo told him to change his vote in the first place!!!!!!!!!!
Then, he tries to accuse Cheese of scum since Cheese did it???? Wow.
Meta
Djo has little meta to go on with only 2 games. However, there are differences from his town game and scum game. These differences, related to this game, are not damning by any means, but do support that Djo could be scum.
1) Djo is capable of being active as scum. His filter was roughly 9 pgs as scum in Looney
2)His case format this game compared to his other games
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372945¤tpage=58#1147 - Game as scum
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=374466¤tpage=23#441 - this game
Look at the shocking similarities. Now, this could be how he likes to post now, since this is only his 3rd game.
However, in looking at his first newbie as cop, no posts have the same format (Correct me if I'm wrong on this Djo)
3) Personality - Djo's personality this game is similar to his other games as cop and mafia. Take out the newbie card play, and he sounds the same in all 3. Thus, his personality is a null tell, but it mean that he can be mafia
A Common Fallacy
I think this game has fallen into the trap of activity = town. That is not always the case. Take a long hard look at Djo's filter and this case. His filter is huge and it was a bitch to go through. Mafia can hide in a big filter.
Djo is my number 2 scum read besides Dandel right now. I still need to see if Dandel even comes back (and defends himself properly + has something to contribute) before I would think of voting Djo.
Let me know if you need clarification on anything. Reading Djo's filter + writing out the case = sucks
These are two main cases against him.
Djodref looks waaaay scummier than Dandel at this point. Why? Cold, hard facts. There has been thorough investigation of Djodref, and the only real case against Dandel has been based on some WIFOM, the fact that he hasn't really contributed and "wanted to lynch an SK" which I still don't fully understand.
Djodref is SCUM, and every person here can see it in at least some way or another.
Everyone kept saying on Day 1 that "If he's scum, then he'll show it eventually." Well, guess what, he has. He's even trying to get out of his lynch by pressuring the favorable scumread (Dandel), and giving completely hypocritical reasons as why we should lynch him (I.E. didn't pressure top scumread [Ini]at the end of d1 ----> Djo didn't EITHER!) The mountain of evidence against Djodref is colossal in comparison to Dandel or Inig. He must be lynched TODAY!
To the folks in this thread -- We are keeping Djodref around too long, and affording him the chance to clutter up the thread with nonsense. Ask yourselves: Do we really want him to slip through our fingers again? He has shown himself time and time again to be scum. Gentlemen, I'm counting on you to make the correct decision in this matter.
I don't have much time before this hurricane veritably destroys my internet connection. In the midst of this, I bid you adieu.
