EPTFirst: Thrawn you were scum in LC right? It's over now.
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kushm4sta
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First: Thrawn you were scum in LC right? It's over now. | ||
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Mementoss
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On October 17 2012 05:33 austinmcc wrote: Spammin' it up since nobody else is posting. I'll be around for the next 40 minutes or so, partially checking this while finishing up work. Then I'm gone for most of the evening. ET. I would like to hear some updated...general thoughts on the game. D1 you had some nice comments about how un-theme-ing themed games generally helped town, some praise for sandroba's comments on how to scumhunt, some other generic thoughts like: We now know that scum let ON get into the final round, and let him get lynched. Therefore, they were NOT running good interference really, although they got sandroba close to being lynched. What does that tell you, in general, about the rest of the scumteam this game? Are they inexperienced? Do they just not like VE, so they wanted to get ON killed in order to not deal with VE replacing in? Did they run so much interference and influence so many lynches in the first 2 rounds that they simply ran out of gas and couldn't influence R3 and R4 enough? I'd like you to comment on mementoss a little. Yes, you have posted on him. And linked back to those comments. prplhz flipped town, so according to your post yesterday mementoss was then one of top scumreads. Is this still the case? What was the towniest thing mementoss did D2? Do you agree with mementoss's case on me? Also, I'd like your thoughts on the N1 kill. Sandroba made it to R4. He wasn't considered the towniest townie on townie town. Yet he was the first townie to be offed. Why? Does the choice of the N1 kill tell you anything about the scum team? On October 18 2012 03:35 austinmcc wrote: Mostly agree. I even deleted a post calling everyone out because of your post. I could not understand this morning why everyone acted like this was some new thing that had just been discovered. It was why ET was probably town. I asked Hiro a question about it earlier, because he said something that made me think he didn't udnerstand what had happened last second with hopeless/ON/ET. It felt as if that bit was common knowledge already, and I, of course thinking you're scum, couldn't understand why this was neat that you'd gone and found this information. Either it hadn't been discussed as much as I thought it had, or people need to read the thread harder. Right now, because of the hopeless1der/ON vote, I do not think hopeless1der is scum. I've already said that, and I also noted some bits of his D1 filter that I found townie. This is a pretty big contradiction from austin. Saying what I said about the hopeless situation was common knowledge, yet austin himself didn't seem to think that way earlier when he says "its pretty obvious scum let ON make the finals". No thats not what I said happened. I said the opposite. Scum was actively trying to NOT let ON make the finals and then confirmed town ET ruined their day.' Austin?? Am I reading this wrong? | ||
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Mementoss
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On October 19 2012 02:02 kushm4sta wrote: What the fuck is this shit I'm reading?? I have a lot of things to address. First: Thrawn you were scum in LC right? It's over now. first u should answer why Austin is your number #1 | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 19 2012 01:47 thrawn2112 wrote: austin why is djo #1? I get that you are wanting to lynch one of the people who voted for hopeless in hopeless vs ON, but why djo over kush? is it mostly because of that nk speculation? I want to lynch one of those two. There were scummy things in Djo's filter (Hiro and I were concerned with part of his opening post, + more recent stuff), but for some reason I had a gut feeling he was town. As in, there were more scummy things in Djo's filter than kush's filter, as I read them, but I just wasn't reading Djo as scum despite the scummy bits. The NK stuff is enough, however, to push me over the top on Djo and not go with gut here. So it's ... not MOST of the reason Djo is scummy, but it's this trigger that moves me from "done some scummy stuff but town" to "okay, maybe scummy stuff = scum when you factor in this other thing." Again, looking at kush's play this game a little closer, and will check to see whether he's so bus-happy (actually, he and someone "bussed" more or less on the next-to-last day of GSL Open 2 iirc). I know his response to my offering votes was not as robust as yours, and was a little silly/dumb, but apart from that I haven't been watching him closely. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On October 19 2012 02:02 kushm4sta wrote: What the fuck is this shit I'm reading?? I have a lot of things to address. First: Thrawn you were scum in LC right? It's over now. ? wtf no I wasn't what does that have to do with anything | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 19 2012 02:03 Mementoss wrote: This is a pretty big contradiction from austin. Saying what I said about the hopeless situation was common knowledge, yet austin himself didn't seem to think that way earlier when he says "its pretty obvious scum let ON make the finals". No thats not what I said happened. I said the opposite. Scum was actively trying to NOT let ON make the finals and then confirmed town ET ruined their day.' Austin?? Am I reading this wrong? You're not reading it wrong but there are other posts than my question to ET. I pose a question to Hiro at some point, and there are some spots where I'm just looking over the votes, I think at one point just in a spoiler somewhere on an unrelated post? That ET post does stand...perpinducular or something to my other posts on R3/R4 all that jazz, but it's mainly because that question grows out of ET's comment about scum running good interference. That's not the point I'm talking about when I say common knowledge, it was earlier posts and I believe da0ud played around with the votes for the R3 matchup as well at some point in N2 or early D2. I can go dredge up these posts in a sec. | ||
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austinmcc
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 14 2012 12:26 austinmcc wrote: The key key KEY matchup from D1 seems to be hopeless1der vs. ON. Can't point that out enough. ON was safe until right at deadline. Possible that scum expended a decent amount of votes in order to make that happen, but were happy to do so because they weren't worried about what happened in finals. Then BOOM. Deadline votes, ON moves on, and scum have already burnt a lot of their influence in R3. On October 14 2012 12:35 austinmcc wrote: Specifically: 18:07 - Djodref puts 6 on hopeless (H6, ON0) 4:27 - Hiro puts 2 on ON (H6, ON2) 4:36 - ET puts 2 on ON (H6, ON4) 4:49 - thrawn puts 1 on ON (H6, ON5) 7:09 - sandroba puts 2 on ON (H6, ON7) 7:10 - sandroba changes vote to 7 on ON (H6, ON12) 9:45 - kush puts 1 on hopeless (H7, ON12) 10:24 - OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT POSTED - SAYS (H7, ON 11) 10:33 - kush changes vote to 6 on hopeless (H12, ON12) 11:00 - ET changes vote to 6 on ON (H12, ON16) 11:00 - DEADLINE (H12, ON 15) Actually the numbers are really weird...kush puts 6 votes on Hopeless when it doesn't change anything? ET puts 6 votes on ON when it doesn't change anything... you guys vote weird. The official vote count is different, which means that under the official votecount, kush first voted hopeless once. He then voted enough to put hopeless through and save ON (ONLY UNDER THE OFFICIAL VOTECOUNT, WHICH SEEMS TO BE WRONG?). iirc he was also asking me in thread if I was gonna outvote him? I need to go find that. If so, shows that he was worried about expending votes and still having ON go through to the finals...(BUT THEN HE VOTED ON LATE TODAY) On October 14 2012 12:36 austinmcc wrote: Maybe there's not a lot there, I dunno. Jeez, only 2 people period vote for Hopeless, and they both dropped 6 votes in doing so. I dunno if it really says anything or not, except that ET very likely town (EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY HIS LATER VOTES DIDN'T DO ANYTHING AND THE VOTE COUNT SEEMS TO BE WRONG QQQQQQQQQQ) On October 14 2012 12:46 austinmcc wrote: So djodref on Hopeless, Kush providing the oomph to get Hopeless into the lead, then you sending ON through. Yet when given votes at the end of today, Kush used them on ON. And was set to do so before prplhz came in. Eeeeeenteresting. On October 15 2012 06:22 austinmcc wrote: Hiro, do you think that scum tried to save ON in R3 against Hopeless1der? On October 15 2012 07:54 austinmcc wrote: Sort of. Trying to find voting connections between ON/djodref/da0ud/prplhz + Show Spoiler + R1 prplhz votes 1x da0ud early. djodref beats da0ud by 1 vote. djodref votes 1x prplhz, 1x hopeless1der, 1x ON. kush beats prplhz by 1 vote. In each of those cases, they wasted votes on each other's opponents, not using enough to get their target to move on for 2 more votes. However, 1 minute before deadline: HiroPro voted 2x Kush, so prplhz was set to advance over kush until that point. Hopeless1der unvoted 1x prplhz, 1x ON, 1x Djodref. prplhz was therefore leading by 2 votes until the last moment. The double D lynch ended up the same as it would have been. R2 da0ud votes 1x djodref prplhz votes 1x Hopeless1der djodref votes 1x Hopeless1der ET vs. Djoref ends 4-5 with djoref passing on. Only da0ud spent votes to influence that matchup out of the group I'm watching. R3 djodref votes x6 Hopeless1der prplhz saves votes da0ud saves votes djodref is one of two hopeless1der voters. If we think scum tried to push hopeless1der over ON in R3, djodref and kush are the only people who voted him. kush pushed ON (to an extent, towards the end of the day) in R4. So djodref looks more scummy out of the R3 hopeless1der voters imo. djodref on D1 was set to push prplhz into R2 on R1. Last minute voting changed that. prplhz voted da0ud, djodref's opponent, but not hard enough to push da0ud through. There's nothing in here that really looks like x and y were trying to save eachother/help eachother out. There's a hiro response somewhere and I think a da0ud post or couple on the matchup, but that's what I dug out of my filter for that time period. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On October 19 2012 02:04 austinmcc wrote: I want to lynch one of those two. There were scummy things in Djo's filter (Hiro and I were concerned with part of his opening post, + more recent stuff), but for some reason I had a gut feeling he was town. As in, there were more scummy things in Djo's filter than kush's filter, as I read them, but I just wasn't reading Djo as scum despite the scummy bits. The NK stuff is enough, however, to push me over the top on Djo and not go with gut here. So it's ... not MOST of the reason Djo is scummy, but it's this trigger that moves me from "done some scummy stuff but town" to "okay, maybe scummy stuff = scum when you factor in this other thing." Again, looking at kush's play this game a little closer, and will check to see whether he's so bus-happy (actually, he and someone "bussed" more or less on the next-to-last day of GSL Open 2 iirc). I know his response to my offering votes was not as robust as yours, and was a little silly/dumb, but apart from that I haven't been watching him closely. I mentioned it earlier, kush will bus like a mo-fo. Check his filter in xxvii. He and jacob were scum that game and they did nothing but bus each other for like half the game. But would kush bus to the point of being the one whose votes causes the lynch? I'm not sure about that because I've never seen him have the opportunity to do it. Also I'm not buying your reasoning behind the nk stuff. Nk speculation is just such a weak thing to base a case off of. 1 because you don't actually know why mafia does stuff and 2 mafia often does stuff just to confuse you. Also you say that sandroba's alignment was still in question after the D1 lynch... I don't agree with that at all basically everyone thought he was town after that. So if you want to make a convincing case on djo.... leave the nk stuff out of it. | ||
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kushm4sta
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He endlessly bussed memetoss. He defended daoud, sure, but memetoss was his only SCUMREAD for the whole game. If austin was town he would have A) looked for other scum, and B) considered the possibility that maybe memetoss wasn't scum. This is compounded by the fact that in the beginning of the game he said "I ALWAYS THINK MEMETOSS IS SCUM." Well if he thinks that about himself, why wouldn't he also think hmm maybe this read is wrong. He has changed his mind about it, completely. Now memetoss is behind me and kush. However, before people started pointing out how scummy it looked, MEMETOSS was the only person austin was talking about. His suspicion of me and djodref is basically only based on our voting patterns d1. -Austin said he always thinks memetoss is scum, because he was setting us up to believe his tunnel mementoss scumstrat. Except it backfires when you think about it more. But it is something you might say as scum if you were planning on busing someone and looking town doing it. -Austin, also Thrawn, are obsessed with d1 lynch votes. They are trying to make the fullest out of their bus on ON by making it seem like a certainty that scum voted for sandroba. I will talk hopefully more clearly and more detailed about the whole d1 lynch later. | ||
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Mementoss
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If anything its against da0d because both that died said lynch da0d. Or against me because as austin mentioned they said I was slightly scummy to them. | ||
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kushm4sta
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At the end what made me change my mind is sandroba coming back and convincing me of his towniness. I actually had done a lot of meta research on sandroba, And he seemed like he actually gave a shit, which is very different from how scum sandroba acts. As scum I like to bus hard and early. That was neither. | ||
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thrawn2112
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kushm4sta
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On October 18 2012 23:40 thrawn2112 wrote: My read of him in D3 is that he is being dumber than what I expect from him and he's being more of an asshole which are both qualities of scum kush. D3 I'm being dumber? Why because I suspect you and Austin? Also Austin said I reverted lol. Very not true. You guys are misrepresenting my play I think Austin says I am starting to look like I did in LC? No I'm really not, especially not for the beginning of the game when austin was there. And I looked like that because I didn't put in the time to make cases. And I was town that game. So where are the examples and more importantly what is your point? You are basically misrepresenting my play by making it seem like I match the meta of another game in which I was town... and that's why you suspect me. And your case against me is based on that AND how I didn't want to lynch ON. Scummy and weak case. OH BTW your is plural, it's talking about austin and thrawn. Austin had one post suspecting thrawn, (something thrawn said "rubbed him the wrong way" lol) and nothing was ever mentioned about that again. Now they are butt buddies who agree on everything and are trying to get me lynched together. | ||
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kushm4sta
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Either djo or me had to be scum because we were both defending ON and pissed when ET pushed him through? | ||
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thrawn2112
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On October 19 2012 02:19 Mementoss wrote: I dont understand what the NK speculation is against Djo: If anything its against da0d because both that died said lynch da0d. Or against me because as austin mentioned they said I was slightly scummy to them. Austin is saying this: Sandroba was still suspicious after D1, and was therefore killed for a reason that isn't being confirmed town. So the reason is that he was killed because scum is scared of his abilities. So Austin is referring to a post djo made where djo said he went and read some of sand's other games.... and that means that djo is the scum that was scarred of sand. I think it's a pretty dumb idea for a couple reasons. A) The vibe I was getting from the thread was that sand was pretty close to confirmed town, if not the closest thing we had to that. B) The fact that sand is a vet was something that was made known to everyone in the thread because people talked about it constantly when we were debating whether to lynch sand or not. So EVERYONE that was reading the thread would have known that sand is supposed to be really good. Not sure if town austin is making a very bad point or if scum austin is engineering a point out of nothing. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On October 19 2012 02:31 kushm4sta wrote: Tell me the argument because I think i know it. Either djo or me had to be scum because we were both defending ON and pissed when ET pushed him through? Other than the finals, ON vs Hopeless was the most contested matchup in D1. Up until the confirmed town pushed ON through, hopeless was set to advance. Hopeless can't be scum because out of the two, it makes more sense for mafia to buss ON than to bus hopeless. All those things strongly suggest that mafia was trying to push hopeless into the finals instead of ON. | ||
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kushm4sta
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On October 19 2012 02:34 thrawn2112 wrote: Other than the finals, ON vs Hopeless was the most contested matchup in D1. Up until the confirmed town pushed ON through, hopeless was set to advance. Hopeless can't be scum because out of the two, it makes more sense for mafia to buss ON than to bus hopeless. All those things strongly suggest that mafia was trying to push hopeless into the finals instead of ON. Thrawn I don't want to be the victim of more of your ad hominem attacks, and I'm not trying to level any at you when I say this. But that reasoning up there is absolutely, 100% retarded. There was town motivation for voting for 1der over ON. Maybe scum didn't have to vote 1der because town was already doing it. If djo drops a bunch of votes down, then I say that I'm gonna vote bomb 1der through, why would scum risk also voting for 1der? It makes more sense to bus 1der than ON? No I don't think so. ON was totally afk. Why wouldn't scum want to bus him? If he's going to get modkilled from inactivity, a bus is win-win. I think you are scum because this seriously sounds like some bullshit made up reasoning that you are endorsing. Do you forget that YOU voted for sandroba in the beginning of the day. Austin voted for no one and was going to give his votes to you are me, (two people that wanted to vote sandroba, hmm). You switched off sandroba mid day, but it was essentially a bus with no consequence because 1) he was afk and 2) he still had enough votes to get lynched at that time. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On October 19 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote: Thrawn I don't want to be the victim of more of your ad hominem attacks, and I'm not trying to level any at you when I say this. But that reasoning up there is absolutely, 100% retarded. There was town motivation for voting for 1der over ON. Maybe scum didn't have to vote 1der because town was already doing it. If djo drops a bunch of votes down, then I say that I'm gonna vote bomb 1der through, why would scum risk also voting for 1der? This is probably the weakest part of that argument, but I still think it makes sense because of how the matchup had the most votes out of all the MU's other than the finals. And yes... hopeless did some stuff that looked scummy. But I felt that by the end of the round it was clear that ON should have passed instead of hopeless.... like how could anyone not want to put a guy with no posts (ON) into the finals when hopeless had a reasonable town explanation for his actions? On October 19 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote: It makes more sense to bus 1der than ON? No I don't think so. ON was totally afk. Why wouldn't scum want to bus him? If he's going to get modkilled from inactivity, a bus is win-win. Yes that's what I'm saying. You misread. It makes more sense to bus ON, thus hopeless being in the lead until the ET votebomb wouldn't make sense if hopeless is scum On October 19 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote: I think you are scum because this seriously sounds like some bullshit made up reasoning that you are endorsing. Do you forget that YOU voted for sandroba in the beginning of the day. Austin voted for no one and was going to give his votes to you are me, (two people that wanted to vote sandroba, hmm). You switched off sandroba mid day, but it was essentially a bus with no consequence because 1) he was afk and 2) he still had enough votes to get lynched at that time. Kush go read my posts during r4. Does that look like someone who is bussing or like someone who slowly loses confidence in their vote and is willing to talk to anyone to figure it out? | ||
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kushm4sta
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I see Austin is your top vote. Why aren't you helping me get him lynched? You are barely even talking about him. | ||
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thrawn2112
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/rant real sleep time now | ||
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